NRA Blows Off Obama… Won’t Join in On Gun Regulation Talks
Posted by Jim Hoft on Tuesday, March 15, 2011, 5:01 AM
The National Rifle Association told the administration to hold their gun regulation talks this week without them.
The New York Times reported:
More than two months after the Tucson shootings, the administration is calling together both the gun lobby and gun safety groups to find common ground. But President Obama has no plans to take the lead in proposing further gun control legislation, aides say, and the nation’s major gun rights group is snubbing the invitation.
On Tuesday, officials at the Justice Department will meet with gun control advocates in the first of what will be a series of meetings over the next two weeks with people on different sides of the issue, including law enforcement, retailers and manufacturers, to seek agreement on possible legislative or administrative actions.
The effort follows Mr. Obama’s call, in a column on Sunday in a Tucson newspaper, to put aside “stale policy debates” and begin “a new discussion” on ways to better enforce and strengthen existing laws to keep mentally unstable, violent and criminal people from getting guns.But the National Rifle Association, for decades the most formidable force against proposals to limit gun sales or ownership, is refusing to join the discussion — possibly dooming it from the start, given the lobby’s clout with both parties in Congress. Administration officials had indicated they expected that the group would be represented at a meeting, perhaps on Friday.
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Published May 22, 2012 at 5:04 am - 44 Comments
jimg commented:
If I’m the NRA? (and I am)
Good luck getting 218 votes in the House.
Until then? Bite me.
Next.
Militant Conservative commented:
I’m an NRA life member.
Obama just found the group that will tell the ” boy” that he is out of his league.
Powder is dry.
mike123 commented:
Good for the NRA. I’m glad to see they have decided to fight for our rights.
BigJake commented:
Really want to “strengthen existing laws to keep mentally unstable, violent and criminal people from getting guns”?
Take them away from the union members!
Granny commented:
IWon WTF has amply demonstrated over the last couple of years that participating in a “meeting” of this sort is more than a bit like “‘come into my parlor’ said the spider to the fly.” Good for the NRA for seeing this for what it is and refusing to play.
Trialdog commented:
Close the ATF-Mexican Drug Cartel Loophole. (Tip: You’ll find it in Holder’s office.)
RedBeard commented:
Exactly, Granny. The only reason Obama wanted the NRA to participate was because he hoped the organization would give in to more incremental restrictions on our rights. Good for the NRA for seeing through this subterfuge and refusing to be duped.
Don Gwinn commented:
The NRA realizes that they have nothing to gain and everything to lose by sitting down for those “discussions.” We “compromised” for decades, and for the last couple we realized that all the compromises had involved gun owners giving things up and the other side getting what it wanted; no compromise at all. Now we’re the bad guys because we stopped caving to that kind of “compromise.”
Oh, well.
alwyr commented:
Silly me! Here I was thinking about the countless REAL issues Mr. Teleprompter SHOULD be addressing. I guess it’s a LOT easier moderating meetings which no one attends
Cargosquid commented:
Notice the attempt at re-branding. Obama used the same terms in his speech. Gun restriction groups are now “gun safety” groups.
I wonder how that works since these people don’t use guns.
squeaky commented:
obama – once an agitator always an agitator.
Ang commented:
#10 Very observant! Although, the left is very predictible, now watch them squeeeeelllllll.
Andreas K. commented:
Gun regulation. It works so fine in the UK!
Wait, no, it doesn’t. The country with most violent crime in the world is… the United Kingdom. More and more bobbies are starting to carry because they get shot at.
But it’s working in Germany!
Well, if you consider an assault on a woman every four minutes as “working as planned”, then yes.
Sorry, gun regulation doesn’t work.
squeaky commented:
once bulling the government to provide more benefits to the people he represented – he is now the government. the fox is now in the hen house.
tarpon commented:
Sensible gun laws, sensible to who, tyrants?
Sort of like sensible offshore drilling regulations, or sensible Obamacare laws …
Muffin commented:
Impeach the incredible golfing kid.
Andreas K. commented:
You need to read the comments on the NYT. The amount of knowledge, or better said utter lack of knowledge, about guns by some posters is amazing.
Warthog commented:
But President Obama has no plans to take the lead in proposing further gun control legislation, aides say
Obama is amazing! I mean, now does he manage to swing a golf club that way without a spine? It’s like finding a jellyfish out on the the back nine sinking birdies.
Hahahahaha! He’s voting “present” on this. He somehow imagines that he’ll sit the pro-gun rights and the anti-gun rights together and magic will happen.
Wadda’ maroon.
RedBeard commented:
Andreas, most of the Times’ reporters would need a lesson to understanding that the wooden part of a rifle or shotgun goes against the shoulder, while the pointy end goes away from the operator.
Liberal reporters offering opinions on firearms is like having Jethro Bodine advising on brain surgery.
JPL17 commented:
#17 Andreas K — I think I’d rather stick pins in my eye!
JPL17 commented:
#4 BigJake — Hilarious!
JPL17 commented:
#10 — Great insight. Funny thing is the NRA is probably the largest “gun safety” organization in the world. Obviously, Obama knows absolutely nothing about the NRA.
Andreas K. commented:
It’s entertaining JPL17. One guy was ranting about bullets that explode on impact and how you should pay higher insurance if you own them.
Also this:
Here’s another way of looking at the gun control issue.
Imagine, if you will, a grade school classroom with 30 kids and one teacher.
Now, let’s say the teacher creates three for the classroom, rules the kids must follow, rules that keep the classroom orderly and conducive to learning.
The three rules are
1. No talking during lessons
2. Stay in your seats during lessons.
3. Respect your fellow classmates.
Now, suppose that despite those rules, ten out of the thirty kids repeatedly do not follow them and continually disrupt class. In addition, they push the other kids around.
Okay–now suppose that in order to punish the ten kids for not following the rules, the teacher decides to create more rules of conduct.
The ten kids still don’t follow.
So the teacher creates even more rules.
In every instance, the twenty kids who actually follow the rules are finding themselves saddled with more and sometimes stricter rules.
They’ll follow them, of course. They’re good students.
But those ten kids repeatedly do not.
And the teacher creates even more rules.
Think about this for a moment.
As a solution, does it make sense?
Go ahead. Think about it.
No. It doesn’t make sense.
Here’s the thing: this is exactly what gun control is doing.
The ten kids (criminals) are breaking the three rules (established gun laws) so in response, the teacher (gun control advocates) create more rules to make sure the three rules are being followed.
Now let me ask you: if you thought the classroom example didn’t work, what makes you think gun control efforts will?
JPL17 commented:
#23 Andreas K — Great analogy. I’d only add that it probably applies to other federal efforts to regulate activity too, such as bank lending, issuance and trading in securities, food safety, etc. I’ll have to think about it further.
Andreas K. commented:
It applies to so many things. We’re surrounded by control freaks.
The EU, for example, wants to force all cars to be driven with lights on, by day, in order to reduce the number of accidents. That has been tested in Austria and many other countries, but there has been no change in the number of accidents, so it’s basically for the ass. But the EU still insists on it.
Irony? Apart from being useless for the safety in the streets, it’ll also lead cars to eat up more fuel.
Jerry C commented:
Laws are for the immoral and unjust. The only reason for more laws is to control moral people. Criminals will always have guns, regardless of the laws, and prey on the weak. It should be a law that every citizen carry.
Andreas K. commented:
When I was in London last year I visited the Police Memorial near Horse Guard’s. They have a book of honor, which was open and I could read the names of officers who have been killed on duty. I would say that at least one third of them had been shot to death. And that in the UK with their super strict anti-gun laws.
Is that gun control working as planned?
Firehand commented:
Little different point of view over at Sipsey Street:
http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2011/03/nra-awol-attack-of-gunweenies-wayne.html
“As one of my sources observed: “Right after we talked earlier one of the (NRA) players was in a debate on FOX about guns and ATF and never even mentioned Gunwalker.”
…
Why would you leave your biggest weapon in the holster and unmentioned? Why does he sound so ineffectual and defensive? The Gunwalker scandal gives him the biggest weapon ever devised to discredit the entire scheme of federal firearms control and he doesn’t use it? Why? Why doesn’t he just say from the jump that “the President’s proposals further empower the ATF and until we get to the bottom of what really happened with the Project Gunwalker scandal, any other discussions are pointless”?
Unless the fix is in. ”
Interesting thoughts. Especially considering how long it took NRA to actually say anything about Gunwalker.
cal rifkin commented:
(Focus groups tell Plouffe that by addressing multiple “small” issues where independents have some support), these are positive as strategies for Obama’s reelection…remember Slick Willie and school uniforms – among other things – here you’ve got a feckless, voted- present, boy-wonder, poindexter poseur trying to not be a lightning rod, thus paving the way for the goal of reelection/ and the obvious point that to oppose him is racist.
aprilnovember811 commented:
Whistleblower ATF Agent John Dodson Exposes Deadly “Operation Gunrunner”
http://youtu.be/SvRzrSXota8
He has a lot of nerve. No Gun Control Barry. As far as I’m concerned you, Holder, and the rest of your ilk are accessories to murder. We need to start investigating you. You helped kill Brian Terry and many others. Arrest him already.
Simon commented:
Obama can’t buy a gun in this country, that’s enough laws for me.
Rock commented:
Using numbers from different Government sources provides some rather startling information, when compared to the administrations numbers when addressing gun control only. Death by auto accident surpasses 43,000 annually, while gun accidents hover just over 28,000 for the seem time period. A even more startling fact is that 28,000 babies are killed annually by shaken baby syndrome, a fact I find particularly troublesome. And yet government is keen to restrict gun ownership.
UpChuck.Liberals commented:
Gun control. I have the gun, I’m in control. Next Hey Barry( ie. president present), how about vehicle control? We keep making cars ‘safer’ but people still find ways to die in them. Concept, it’s the loose nuts behind the wheel (trigger), or in this case the loose nuts we’ve had in the White House and State houses for far too long who are making more rules that people ignore as pointed out in a very nice post above.
StrangernFiction commented:
“stale policy debates” = we are not getting anywhere with the important business of disarming Americans
Oldpuppymax commented:
AL LAST the NRA might be taking a stand. And on the RIGHT SIDE for a change. The NRA spent weeks deciding whether to endorse Harry Reid and other Democrats. It sold out conservative groups and agendas last year, costing the Association who knows how many members. But perhaps they have finally seen the light. Let’s hope so.
Big L commented:
Didn’t someone write a white paper that showed there were thousands of laws regulating Guns and some laws were layered over prior laws? And no laws are ever repealed.I have never seen gun reg laws repealed that I can recall.
bobdog commented:
And the primary reason the NRA would even consider joining in the discussion would be….?
NRA Lifer since ’75.
Catherine commented:
But this all ties in with the ATF and gunrunner ordered by the DOJ?
they got caught no matter how they try to cover it up.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/02/23/eveningnews/main20035609.shtml?tag=contentMain;contentBody
February 23, 2011
Gunrunning scandal uncovered at the ATF
Program aimed at stopping the flow of weapons from the US to Mexico may have allegedly had the opposite effect
By Sharyl Attkisson
WORTH THE READ
“Project Gunrunner” deployed new teams of agents to the southwest border. The idea: to stop the flow of weapons from the US to Mexico’s drug cartels. But in practice, sources tell CBS News, ATF’s actions had the opposite result: they allegedly facilitated the delivery of thousands of guns into criminal hands.
CBS News wanted to ask ATF officials about the case, but they wouldn’t agree to an interview. We were able to speak to six veteran ATF agents and executives involved. They don’t want to be quoted by name for fear of retaliation. These are their allegations.
In late 2009, ATF was alerted to suspicious buys at seven gun shops in the Phoenix area. Suspicious because the buyers paid cash, sometimes brought in paper bags. And they purchased classic “weapons of choice” used by Mexican drug traffickers – semi-automatic versions of military type rifles and pistols.
Sources tell CBS News several gun shops wanted to stop the questionable sales, but ATF encouraged them to continue.
Jaime Avila was one of the suspicious buyers. ATF put him in its suspect database in January of 2010. For the next year, ATF watched as Avila and other suspects bought huge quantities of weapons supposedly for “personal use.” They included 575 AK-47 type semi-automatic rifles.
ATF managers allegedly made a controversial decision: allow most of the weapons on the streets. The idea, they said, was to gather intelligence and see where the guns ended up. Insiders say it’s a dangerous tactic called letting the guns, “walk.”
One agent called the strategy “insane.” Another said: “We were fully aware the guns would probably be moved across the border to drug cartels where they could be used to kill.”
On the phone, one Project Gunrunner source (who didn’t want to be identified) told us just how many guns flooded the black market under ATF’s watchful eye. “The numbers are over 2,500 on that case by the way. That’s how many guns were sold – including some 50-calibers they let walk.”
50-caliber weapons are fearsome. For months, ATF agents followed 50-caliber Barrett rifles and other guns believed headed for the Mexican border, but were ordered to let them go. One distraught agent was often overheard on ATF radios begging and pleading to be allowed to intercept transports. The answer: “Negative. Stand down.”
CBS News has been told at least 11 ATF agents and senior managers voiced fierce opposition to the strategy. “It got ugly…” said one. There was “screaming and yelling” says another. A third warned: “this is crazy, somebody is gonna to get killed.”
Sure enough, the weapons soon began surfacing at crime scenes in Mexico – dozens of them sources say – including shootouts with government officials.
READ THE REST
http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/02/24/cbs-picks-up-atf-gunrunner-scandal/
CBS picks up ATF Gunrunner scandal
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7357550n
VIDEO
Project Gunrunner” scandal
February 23, 2011
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7358927n
VIDEO
ATF “Gunrunner” program may be years old
March 8, 2011 4:11 PM
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fbf_1299775638
VIDEO
Excellent elementary explanation by FOX
FOXNEWS.com/us/2011/03/09/project-gun-runner-scandal-border/
ATF, DOJ Launch Damage Control Effort Over Growing Project Gunrunner Scandal
By William Lajeunesse
Published March 09, 2011
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thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/148441-nra-calls-for-expedited-hearings-on-gun-trafficking
NRA calls for swift hearings on gun trafficking at border
By Mike Lillis – 03/09/11 02:39 PM ET
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http://lamarsmith.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=228573
Republicans Want Answers on ATF Gun Trafficking Program
http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=15822.0
ATF ‘Gunrunner’ Coverup Continues
« on: March 07, 2011,
Catherine
Stuart commented:
To me gun control means putting all of your shots into the ten ring, and I’m all for it.
(NRA Life member since 1995)
Georg Felis commented:
Every president seems to add a bit to the White House. We’ve had the Bush jogging trail, the Obama basketball court, the bowling alley. Perhaps the next president will put in a gun range?
ChillyinAlaska commented:
JUST WATCH. He plans on using unconstitutional regulation and by-passing congressional oversight. He will use the BATF and impose unconstitutional REGULATIONS, just like what he is doing with global warming and the EPA. He has the POWER, he will do it and then we will have to try to undo it. You aren’t dealing with someone who loves their country and respects the law, he will just abuse the POWER to implement his agenda!
He needs to be removed from office, he is ineligible to be president, and Biden is a co-conspirator to violate our law, as he knew Obama was ineligible, so both must be removed and the speaker of the house declared president temporarily until we can have a certified election with qualified candidates. Everything done since his inauguration null and void, all bills, executive orders, EVERYTHING, repealed. THIS IS THE CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN..
If he attempts to claim his REAL father is not from Kenya, PROVE IT BEYOND ANY DOUBT WITH DNA TESTS. He has numerous half brothers and his Y-DNA will show who their common father is. His birth certificate will list the Kenyan as his father showing he does not meet the qualifications to be our president, a natural born citizen needing to have BOTH parents American citizens AND being born in the United States.
In the interim, the house should impeach him on his malfeasance and continued breaches of our constitution, which he swore to uphold and protect. Stop his agenda in it’s tracks. Criminal charges should be filed against all democrats who certified him as eligible and who supported his criminal agenda.
dunce commented:
Obama was elected despite having little or no record on most issues. Today he has an extensive rap sheet and no one with any sense will sully their own reputation by association with whose tools of trade are lies, fraud , and deceit. His timing could not be worse after his administration was exposed as facilitating gun running to mexico with end goal to smear gun owners and enact more freedom stealing gun control restrictions.
wodun commented:
“But President Obama has no plans to take the lead”
Classic Obama.
Prior to his election, everything was above his pay grade. Now, everything is beneath him.
Retro commented:
I had to cut’em loose when they supported “Whorehouse” Harry Reid
silentcal_rox commented:
I GIVE ‘em my guns, IF they can find where I hid them all!!
Rose commented:
NRA’s VICIOUS BACKSTABBING STUNT a couple years ago, agreeing to not fight Dim restrictions on First Amendment Rights as long as they got exempted, themselves…
Saying it was in the best interests of their own focus on THE SECOND AMENDMENT…
They lost so many members overnight, they cannot afford another J###A## Move of that sort.
But I will never forget.
grizzlybare commented:
We’ll consider a dialogue about guns as soon as Obama/Holder take away the billy clubs from the hands of uniformed black poll trolls.