CONFIRMED: Border Agent Terry Was FORCED TO USE BEANBAGS Against Armed Mexican Killers in AZ Before He Was Shot Dead
Posted by Jim Hoft on Thursday, March 3, 2011, 6:11 AM
The outrageous rumors were true.
Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry was forced to use beanbags against armed Mexican killers before he was shot dead in Arizona in December.
Agent Brian Terry was forced to defend himself and this country with beanbags.
The Arizona Daily Star reported:
Border Patrol agents shot beanbags at a group of suspected bandits before the men returned fire during a confrontation in a remote canyon, killing agent Brian Terry with a single gunshot, records show.
And an illegal immigrant wounded in the gunbattle who is now the only person in custody linked to the slaying contends he never fired a shot, according to FBI search warrant requests filed in the U.S. District Court in Tucson.
The documents provide the most detailed version yet of what happened in the deadly gunbattle Dec. 14 in Peck Canyon, northwest of Nogales.
The documents say the group of illegal border entrants refused commands to drop their weapons after agents confronted them at about 11:15 p.m. Two agents fired beanbags at the migrants, who responded with gunfire. Two agents returned fire, one with a long gun and one with a pistol, but Terry was mortally wounded in the gunfight.
Border Patrol officials declined to answer questions about protocol for use of force, citing the ongoing investigation.
But Terry’s brother, Kent Terry, said the other agents who were there that night told him that they were instructed to use the non-lethal beanbags first. It’s a policy that doesn’t make sense to Kent Terry.
“You go up against a bandit crew that is carrying AKs, and you walk out there with guns loaded with beanbags – I don’t get it,” Terry said in a phone interview from Michigan. “It’s like going to the Iraqi war with one knife. It boggles my mind. … These guys (Border Patrol agents) are professionals; they should be able to use their judgment call on their own.”
But, don’t worry.
Barack Obama says the border is as safe today as it’s ever been.
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NickDeringer commented:
This is stupid and tragic. Progressive are unfit to run a free, liberty loving country.
IronDioPriest commented:
Unfreakingbelievable. The Minutemen had the right idea. If the citizens of this country don’t rise up to defend her, we don’t deserve to keep her.
Click my name for a conservative discussion forum.
IronDioPriest commented:
Oops, scratch that. Now click it.
Taqiyyotomist commented:
Beanbags instead of what they should have been using…. 50 Caliber deck guns and RPGs.
IMHO.
Can't wait till Nov. 2012 commented:
PROJECT GUNWALKER. Look it up and become familar with it.
tommy mc donnell commented:
the politicans don’t care they want the votes. the people who go on the dole vote for the same politican over and over. its how we got the career politican.
Mark1957 commented:
Can’t wait till Nov. 2012 commented:
PROJECT GUNWALKER. Look it up and become familar with it.
The more we learn about this tragedy the worse it gets, Not only was this brave Border agent killed with guns that were supplied by the ATF, now we find out that they are required to use beanbags against bullets. This just makes sick.
http://gunowners.org/projectgunrunner.htm
Andreas K. commented:
Going into leftist mode for a second:
But the border can’t be secured and everything is fine anyway. And those AKs are surely from the US.
jim m commented:
How many more will have to die? With obama as President…How many are there?
Kenny Solomon commented:
At what point does the American citizenry simp……
The administration is doing everything to incite a civ……
Aaaaaaaaargh………… Going to the ran…… er…… “Stress Relief Center”.
I’ll comment later – if I can stay civil – which is doubtful.
Kenny Solomon
Israel Survival Updates
Ginger commented:
Did you know that the one and only permit to drill issued by the Kenyan fraud is BP! Are you angry? I am!
Rick commented:
I guess politics is beanbag.
Chisum commented:
Here’s your response from the BO administration.
‘Crime Is Part of Life’ in America; Border ‘As Secure As I’ve Seen It In 20 Years,’ Says ICE Director
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/crime-part-life-america-and-border-secur
Chisum commented:
More outrageous crap. BO’s absolute defiance in acknowledging border threats is now threatening our food supply.
America’s Third War: Texas Farmers Under Attack at the Border
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/03/03/americas-war-texas-farmers-attack-mexican-border/
FedUp commented:
Time for the Obama circus to take their act on he road and GET OUT OF OUR HOUSE! Janet, the Incompetant, and Eric Holder should be FIRED IMMEDIATELY and Obama should be impeached!
Robert commented:
On behalf of America, use beanbags.
On behalf of me, don’t take a knife to a gunfight,
get in their face, and hit back twice as hard.
Robert commented:
Re #16
me = president WTF
BuddyG commented:
Bean bags against Mexicans ?
! ! R A A A A A A A C I S T ! !
Oldpuppymax commented:
The state run media have scrupulously avoided the story of Terry’s death and Project Gunwalker. Fox has done a piece and CBS has actually done one. But CNN, MSNBC, the Times, ABC, NBC, on and on…have remained silent.
Mark commented:
Illegals kill nearly 9,000 and one can scarcely find a politician who cares. ninety percent of the murder warrants in LA county are for illegals. Illegals out NOW along with their pimp politicians and La Raza.
Rock commented:
Well what do you know, Big Sis was correct, the border is safer. For gun, and drug runners, plus illegals, foolish me I thought she meant for Americans.
bg commented:
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OT..
via AJ-E
Army appoints new Egyptian PM
oh yeah, children are still dying from lack of medical attention and starving
to death in Argentina as well as many other nations, while the Turtles keep
apace by doing lunch in between discussing what to do about the Qaddafi
“crisis” in their refurbished, at the cost of millions to taxpayers, palace on
the Bay, and the Obama’s continue to sacrifice for US.. /truth sarc/
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Joanne commented:
When your life is on the line, you use the live ammunition, not beanbags. Obama is a paranoid lunatic who rides around in his fortified Obamamobile and travels with a small army to protect his useless ass, but tells those on the front lines to wait until fired upon and to use beanbags as their first choice of defence. Obama and his sick cronies laugh when they make up these bizarre rules of engagement, because THEY DON’T GIVE A DAMN.
Muffin commented:
This breaks my heart. IMPEACH
IMPEACH
IMPEACH
Blood is on this administrations’ hands. His fellow workers should resign in solidarity and out of concern for their own well-being.
So sad for this family . Their boy died for the idiocy of our politicians.
RickZ commented:
As far as I’m concerned, Napolitano should be charged with manslaughter for this decision.
bg commented:
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wonder if Agent Terry will awarded one of Obama’s
“Courageous Restraint Medals” posthumously.. /s/
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Chisum commented:
Remember this:
Top Obama Official: Feds Won’t Process Illegals Referred By Arizona
http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/2010/05/top-obama-official-feds-wont-process-illegals-referred-by-arizona/
Amy commented:
Let’s hope and pray for justice for Agent Brian Terry. On February 23rd, CBS had a story about selling US arms to Mexican drug cartels [Project Gunrunner/Project Gunwalker - an operation run by the ATF the Federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms].
“In a letter, the Justice Department which oversees ATF says the agency has never knowingly allowed the sale of assault weapons to suspected gunrunners.”
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/02/23/eveningnews/main20035609.shtml?tag=cbsnewsTwoColUpperPromoArea
Madkangaroo commented:
And elsewhere Americans are abandoning property due to Mexican drug cartel threats (the cartels use the properties as infiltration routes and safe houses) :
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/03/03/americas-war-texas-farmers-attack-mexican-border/
The administration shrugs it off.
ChocoCat commented:
You guys actually believe this story? LOL!!! amazing.
rbosque commented:
Obama lied, more Americans died.
Robert commented:
#30 ChocoCat
Maybe it’s “fake but accurate”.
Chisum commented:
ChocoClown,
If you bothered to read the linked article you would find that these are stated facts based on FBI search warrant requests filed in the U.S. District Court in Tucson.
Go play by yourself in the corner.
Pat the First commented:
When did this beanbag policy begin? I think the family members have a case for a lawsuit against the US . . . and possibly against the person in the administration who ordered this policy. This is negligence.
ChocoCat commented:
oh, so now the FBI never lies? Check.
MAMACHAN commented:
I am astonished at the stupidity of our Department of Homeland Security and our INS. Our ATF is arming the enemy, and our defense is beanbags??!! Our Border Patrol officers should refuse such assinine orders as to fight with beanbags. A 4-year-old knows better than that! I cannot wait until 2012! The thing that I loved best about George Bush what some people call his “cowboy” attitude! My husband is a genuine cowboy, and he sees life and death as a black and white situation. There is no messing around with the in-between. Our current administration is putting us at risk and giving away our power and our country.
ew-3 commented:
Outrageous.
Someone in Congress needs to determine who set this policy. Make a stink about it.
Let the public know. Hold hearings.
Carter II - You're Busted Back to Community Organizer 2012 commented:
After the bean-bags didn’t work, I’m sure Janet Incompetano’s next stroke of brilliance will be to issue orders that law enforcement is to drop its weapons and sing ‘kumbaya’ until the criminals come over for a group hug…what a pathetic and incompetent cabinet Obama has selected. I guess in his presence, the dangerous fools and failures that comprise most or all of his cabinet look like geniuses, though.
AuntieMadder commented:
Could the stupid decision to arm Border Patrol agents with bean bags have been made as a knee-jerk reaction to the recent shooting of a Mexican teenager by Border Patrol?
Chisum commented:
#35 March 3, 2011 at 11:01 am
ChocoCat commented:
oh, so now the FBI never lies? Check.
==============================
Wow you really are a CLOWN!
bg commented:
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i take it you don’t CC #30..
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rbosque commented:
Liberals live in a fantasy world thinking that if we lay down our arms, the enemy will do the same.
WTH? How many more Americans will be killed because these incompetent A-holes are in charge? Those cartels use AK-47′s, they’re not going to play “nice”. Obama is a dangerous pig!
ChocoCat commented:
Look Chisum, your fringe compatriots are the first to question anyone or anything that has to do with the government…….unless it fits your narrative. Truth is, this story is hardly substantiated and there is a large part missing.
bg commented:
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got news for you, before you know it “progressives” will be
assigning the use of sling shots vs beanbags next.. /sarc/
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Chisum commented:
Gee, last August Customs agents vote ‘no confidence’ in Obama appointees
http://washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/editorials/customs-agents-vote-no-confidence-obama-appointees#ixzz1FYe7YuZv
I wonder if that was in response to FBI lies?
AuntieMadder commented:
#41 March 3, 2011 at 11:13 am
bg commented: “i take it you don’t CC #30..”
Neither does his sock puppet @ #32.
AuntieMadder commented:
bg #44 – And catapults, too, because they’re so progressive.
ChocoCat commented:
You guys still believe this story? Does anyone here have any critical reasoning skills whatsoever? What country did this occur in? The US? Do any of you care, are the facts not really all that important compared to your believe that Obama (the United States Constitutional Scholar and POTUS) hates America? Is that all it takes, you will latch on to any story that fits your questionably informed POV? Tell me, did the US officers ever fire any live lethal rounds? Did they arrest anyone?
Chisum commented:
And look at these right wingers. More victims of the FBI’s lies.
ICE’s Mission Melt: Agents Vote ‘No Confidence’ in Leadership
http://www.cis.org/kephart/ICE-mission-melt-1
ChocoCat commented:
I get it, the CIS is using union letters to make a point to conservatives. Check.
waicool commented:
Obama’s Bean Bag military
bg commented:
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ChocoCat #43
America’s Third War: Agent Brian Terry, A Policy of Silence?
[- The slug that killed Terry came from an AK-47 dropped at the scene. The
weapon was traced to a Phoenix gun store, which had reported the sale to
ATF's "Project Gunrunner."
- The day after Terry was shot, sources say ATF arrested the man who
bought that gun and many others, hoping to avoid embarrassment or an
appearance of negligence.
"I was his stepmother for 25 years, and if it is the last thing I do,
they are not going to let this case die," Carolyn Terry told Fox News.
"To me they're covering up, they're trying to cover up
something. Why don't they come out and tell us the truth?"
Terry told us contrary to Border Patrol claims that bean bags were not deployed that night, she claims sources inside the agency have told her family, "Eight bandits came down the trail, Brian's team yelled, ‘Policia, Policia,’ and he said they started retreating. These eight bandits. But then two of the border patrol shot the bean bags and then they opened fire."
Her son was shot and killed. His gun, she says, was never fired.]
Bean bag rounds were used by Border Patrol
before Agent Terry’s murder feds admit
[But npw we know the claim that BORTAC was required to use “less
than lethal” weapons first, before using real guns to shoot back at
the bandits…are true.]
so, which part might that be??
surely you know or you wouldn’t be laug?ing
about an agent getting killed by live fire..
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StrangernFiction commented:
I’m with the government and I’m here to help.
Chisum commented:
Yep, there you have it! All of those Fringers ( Border Agents and ICE Agents ) in response to FBI lies, unfairly targeted Morton and Homeland Security policies.
Those Bastards!
ChocoCat commented:
#51: the military is not on the border. The Border Patrol is, want to know more about the Border Patrol?
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/01/12/border-patrol-agent-arrested-harboring-illegals-including-dad/
http://www.brownsvilleherald.com/articles/child-118417-padron-border.html
http://www.visalaw.com/00oct1/15oct100.html
US Government in action.
bg commented:
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ChocoCat #55
apples vs oranges.. idiot!!
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ChocoCat commented:
Truth is, illegal immigration has been reduced dramatically in the past few years. Maybe you should thank Obama.
Chisum commented:
Clown,
Yawn.
Way to try to move the goal posts.
ChocoCat commented:
Name-calling says a lot about someone, but rarely does it say anything about the person being called names. The point is that you people are anti-gov until the govs story fits your narrative, then you are pro-gov. Just pointing it out.
ChocoCat loves The Chocolate Jesus commented:
It’s all part of a sinister subterranean Tea Party plot (aka a VRC).
bg commented:
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ChocoCat #57
also apples vs oranges.. IDiObot!!
at any rate, link please..
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ChocoCat commented:
BG, most sites agree
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/01/AR2010090106940.html
http://www.politicsdaily.com/2011/02/02/illegal-immigration-numbers-holding-at-11-2-million-despite-cra/
RickZ commented:
I know this is a stretch for someone with such a poorly functioning brain as LocoLols, but maybe, just maybe our economic situation, with unemployment hovering near 10%, is a severe disincentive to illegally cross into this country? If jobs are scarce for the legal, they’re even scarcer for the illegal.
And if you want to give Obama and the Dems credit for trashing the economy thereby lowering illegal immigration, well, that’s something on which we’d be in agreement.
ChocoCat commented:
BTW BG, your link to ‘feds admit bean-bag use’ pretty much destroys your contentions and the officers mothers story. Are they (BP) supposed to use bean bags first, or after they are fired upon? Which is it? That story says they were fired upon and responded with bean bags. You actually believe that? Here are the quotes that I mention:
quote from story
“Contrary to growing rumors, Border Patrol agents have not been ordered to use non-lethal ammunition when fired upon, officials of Customs and Border Protection (CBP) stated in response to questions from Homeland Security Today.”
Later
“Single shot killed border agent
Border Patrol agents shot beanbags at a group of suspected bandits before the men returned fire during a confrontation in a remote canyon, killing agent Brian Terry with a single gunshot, records show.”
I would like to know, since you folks are so informed, what happened, did the BP shoot first, or did they respond with beanbags to AK fire? Any ideas?
ChocoCat commented:
RickZ, the economy crashed in 2008. The World Trade Center was destroyed in 2001. Bush was prez in 2001, was he to blame for 9/11?
Madkangaroo commented:
ChocoCat #62, regarding Obama and the reduction in illegal immigration, I recommend you try some more empirical reading on illegal immigration:
http://www.cis.org/IllegalImmigration-ShiftingTide
1. Decline began in 2007, well before Obama was a candidate, let alone a president.
2. Decline associated with failure of Senate amnesty bill, increased law enforcement, and a declining economy (note that the economic decline began before official recession starts).
Obama’s policies have nothing to do with it.
Chisum commented:
Another federal agent killed by ATF “walked” gun?
Is it mere coincidence that after both shootings, ATF immediately arrested the “straw” buyers of the guns involved in the murders of the two federal agents?
Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry was killed with a gun sold at a Glendale, Arizona gun shop under the watchful eyes of ATF. That gun “walked” into the hands of the bandits that shot Terry under ATF’s Project Gunrunner.
Now we have a second dead federal law enforcement official, killed by a gun sold in the US and tracked by ATF.
Hundreds of weapons have slipped into the hands of the Mexican drug cartels via ATF’s Project Gunrunner program.
US Senator Charles Grassley has been trying to get to the bottom of ATF’s scandalous behavior. The Senator is being stonewalled by the Obama Administration.
The Project Gunrunner scandal is much bigger than anyone originally thought.
Besides two dead US law enforcement agents, how many Mexican officials have been killed by guns ATF “walked” into Mexico?
No wonder the FBI and the Border Patrol won’t talk about Agent Terry’s death.
Telling the truth would make the US government look bad.
http://tucsoncitizen.com/view-from-baja-arizona/2011/03/01/another-federal-agent-killed-by-atf-walked-gun/
ChocoCat commented:
Madkangaroo, I never claimed Obama policies were responsible for the decline in immigration, this story was about a BP agent and the reports on his death. Others brought in II and I simply provide facts detailing the numbers today vs the numbers when the last white guy was pres.
bg commented:
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CC #61..
thanks, and here’s a few for you..
Center For Immigration Studies
Illegal Immigration
February 1, 2011..
Number of illegal immigrants in US steady at 11.2M
[Steve A. Camarota, director of research at the Center for Immigration Studies, a Washington group that advocates tighter immigration policies, said it wasn't surprising that illegal immigration had stopped declining. He predicted the numbers will soon pick up, citing some improvement in the U.S. economy as well as the Obama administration's "promise of legalization to undocumented workers."
"There's no reason for these numbers to go down," Camarota said. "Our
legal policy remains very permissive, and we're not enforcing the law."]
not to mention those they haven’t counted..
Terrorists Are Crossing Our Southern Border!
[copy, paste, file article, as i fully expect it to
be sucked up by Obama's black hole machine..]
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greg commented:
Starting a gun fight at night in the dark with a beanbag gun was a very dumb thing to do. Why would the bad guys believe that the border patrol were firing anything but real ammunition, and respond with real ammunition.
In firearm defensive training a lot of focus is put upon hitting center mass. There is no value in winging, wounding or kneecapping. In deciding to take a shot mortal injury is always expected. Should a mexican getting shot at in the dark expect less. And not respond.
There is a lot of border patrol supervision that should be fired for agreeing to night time use of beanbag guns, starting with Napolitano.
Chisum commented:
America’s Third War: Agent Brian Terry, A Policy of Silence?
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/02/22/agent-brian-terry-policy-silence/
ChocoCat commented:
But I get it, there is a grand conspiracy between illegal immigrants, the ATF, the Mexican mafia, and progressives……al enabled by Obama. I finally get it. Thanks for the informative links and compelling reasoning.
Check.
Chisum commented:
#69 March 3, 2011 at 12:21 pm
ChocoCat commented:
Madkangaroo, I never claimed Obama policies were responsible for the decline in immigration, this story was about a BP agent and the reports on his death. Others brought in II and I simply provide facts detailing the numbers today vs the numbers when the last white guy was pres.
==========================================================
Actually, you did. Did you already forget what you wrote?
2011/03/03 at 11:45 am
Truth is, illegal immigration has been reduced dramatically in the past few years. Maybe you should thank Obama.
ChocoCat commented:
Yes BG, that is the link I gave you. It claims the number had been declining, and “has stopped declining”. That means it was declining, and (if you take this guys word for it), it is not increasing now. I gave you the link BG. It says illegal immigration has decreased, like it or not.
ChocoCat commented:
Yes, I never said Obamas policies have led to a decline in immigration, I said ‘maybe you should thank Obama’ What for? For the decline in illegal immigration, something that I thought was very important to you folks.
Madkangaroo commented:
ChocoCat, at #57 you commented: “Truth is, illegal immigration has been reduced dramatically in the past few years. Maybe you should thank Obama.”
You very strongly implied that Obama’s policies are connected with the reduction in illegal immigration. Now @ 69 you play semantics that you “…never claimed Obama policies were responsible for the decline in immigration…”.
You go on to write “Others brought in II and I simply provide facts detailing the numbers today vs the numbers when the last white guy was pres.” Immigration, and the administration’s immigration policies, are major sub-themes in this thread due to their connection with incidents like the agent’s murder. And “white” guys have nothing to do with it either; you are sneaking in the race card. You were not just providing facts, you were defending the admin., and casting aspersions, got called on it, and are now weasling out.
bg commented:
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CC #75
hmmm, i read it’s holding, but whatever..
it also stated since 2007, so go figure why Obama should be thanked,
i mean, he not only totally ignores the illegal immigration problem, but
practically implores it’s usage..
bottom line: true or skew, still has nothing to do with Agent Terry..
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Stuart commented:
Choco Cat #57
“Truth is that illegal immigration has been reduced dramatically the last few years, maybe you should thank Obama.”
How true. The economy is in such poor shape that the “jobs that Americans won’t do” have largely disappeared. Now the farmers in the Central Valley have no water to irrigate crops so they don’t need Mexicans to pick them. Unemployment in those parts of California approach 40 %. Just think, if Obama could totally wreck the economy we could have so few jobs that the Mexicans would stop coming here altogether. Not only that, with everybody equally destitute we would wipe out the inequality of income problem. WOW! two problems solved with one solution.
Isn’t Comrade Obama wonderful!?
Mark commented:
ChocoClown, does mommy know you are on the computer? Time for your Kenyan Hot Beef Injection!
ChocoCat commented:
Truth is, you want to blame Obama for the economy that crashed before he came in to office, after you blamed Bill Clinton for 9/11, something that happened 9 months after he was out of office. Just be consistent, and then you can be taken seriously. You want to blame Obama for the economy, please do, but if you do, be ready to accept that Bush is responsible for 9/11.
Chisum commented:
Calderone has just announced in a joint press conference with BO that Federal agents assigned to Mexico WILL NOT BE PERMITTED TO CARRY FIREARMS.
ChocoCat commented:
@Mark, yes, your mom knows.
ChocoCat commented:
What, you mean US agents are STILL not allowed to be armed in Mexico? and you blame who again?
bg commented:
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ht RG
Texas Farmers Under Attack at the Border
[“It’s a war, make no mistake about it,” Texas Agriculture Commissioner Todd Staples said. “And it’s happening on American soil.”
Texas farmers and ranchers produce more cotton and more cattle than any other state, so Staples is concerned this war could eventually impact our food supply, and calls it a threat to our national security.
“Farmers and ranchers are being run off their own property by armed terrorists showing up and telling them they have to leave their land,” Staples said.]
CC says i should thank Obama, thank you Obama!! /s/
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Chisum commented:
Since agents are now being TARGETED for assassinations don’t you think it’s time to demand a policy change from Mexico?
But no, BO just nods his head and moves on.
Some leader.
Madkangaroo commented:
ChocoCat is clearly a troll, let’s not feed it.
RickZ commented:
Yep. And Congress was in the hands of Dems for two years at that point. That’s besides the Dems, during Bush’s first term, refusing to do anything with Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac, which had a great impact on the meltdown which continues to this day. Dodd/Fwank should be in jail for all the lies they spouted in Congress about how solvent those two Federal programs were.
But you knew that.
Chisum commented:
I have a great idea! Let’s ask Calderone to address Congress AGAIN and tell the U.S. what POS’s we are.
That really motivates Americans. That’s leadership!
ChocoCat commented:
@ Mad So anyone that challenges the common wisdom here is a troll? I dont call you names, I dont tell you that you are dumb, I simply present opposing views and you can either face them to solidify and reinforce your own positions as solid, or you can fear them as exposing something else.
@BG and Chisom, look, there is no war, there is no war on terror, there are no terrorists wating to kill you, there are no sleeper cells, never have been, and the Birchers were proven to be absolutely and irrefutably misguided by history. You can buy in to the danger you face, you can convince yourself over and over about how your world is threatened…..but it does not make it true. You would think you would learn this by now. Do you remeber 2001, and the beliefs that we were all going to be attacked by a new global Muslim power designed to destroy America? Did you believe therer were sleeper cells? Do you now? Do you ever learn? Did you believe there were WMD’s? Do you now?
ChocoCat commented:
OK RickZ, that timing correlates perfectly with the reduction in illegal immigration, 2006-2008, must have been the dem congress, because nothing else changed. I agree.
ChocoCat commented:
and lastly, if Texas farmers are being run off their land, perhaps they should get a gun? Just a thought.
Chisum commented:
The clown is definitely flailing.
No answers?
No problem!
Troll handbook says:
a. Change the subject
b. Move the goal posts
c. Throw up a bunch of crap and hope something sticks
RickZ commented:
Yeah, that’ll really work. Wasn’t one farmer sued for illegal imprisonment for holding illegals crossing his property until ICE could arrive? If a farmer killed some hapless illegal, Holder and the Dept. of Social Injustice would seek the death penalty for violation of the dead schmuck’s ‘civil rights’.
MJ commented:
LOOK at this Choco MORON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This person was MURDER, BECAUSE of Obama you IDIOT.
I cannot believe that idiots are allowed to just exist anymore.
This man had to defend himself with Obama weapon of choice; a F&*^KING BEANBAG.
I am SICK with these last 4 admin and this JERK wants to ‘Thank Obama’
GO TO HE!! !!
ChocoCat commented:
RickZ, its Texas. Death penalty for dead schmucks ‘civil rights’??? Nobody in Texas has ever been convicted of anything when it comes to shooting someone on their property. What planet do you think I live on?
Care to be accurate just for the sake of argument, just to pretend you are actually reasonable? Maybe just for a few comments?
ChocoCat commented:
No MJ, the facts you claim are not substantiated.
ChocoCat commented:
Chisum, what would you like me to address? If you have a point I have not addressed, my apologies. We are all Americans here, all on the same side, we all want the best for the USA. In order for us to achieve this goal, we must be able to get to the truth and then apply reason.
I am sorry you feel that I have avoided some issue, but I am here to tell you that you can raise whatever issue you like and I will address it. My comparison from 2008 to 2001 might be what you are referring to, and in that case I understand that 9/11 has nothing to do with the discussion, but ppl here who want to blame Obama (who I did not vote for) for the economy better be ready to blame the sitting pres for 9/11. I may not be as educated as the mensa cases here on this site, but I am not dumb enough to forget the arguments you folks have made in the past.
ChocoCat commented:
Last, props to the site admin for allowing differing POV’s
Andreas K. commented:
ChocoCat, no sleeper cells?
It’s called “islam” and islam brings “mosques”, in mosques there are “imams”, who are the ultimate authority in every mohammedan community.
In Europe we have whole districts in our cities that are effectively sleeper cells.
You don’t know much about islam, do you?
There are terrorists wanting to kill all of us infidels. That is part of islam. That is an order from the “prophet” himself. It’s even written in the koran. Kill the infidel where you find them.
It’s civilisation against islam. All over again. Like it was in the crusades (which were a reaction to mohammedan aggression). Like it was in the countless times when the mohammedans tried to invade Europe, and we pushed them back.
Turkish prime minister Erdogan said it himself. What the Otomans failed to achieve in both Sieges of Vienna, they will achieve with their “fertile women”. It’s a birth jihad against us.
Don’t believe it?
Get your ass to Europe. Visit the places dominated by the mohammedans. If you dare.
Chisum commented:
The Clown Troll has morphed into a Concern Clown Troll.
RickZ commented:
I said the Dept. of Social Injustice would seek the death penalty. That’s Federal. McVeigh was executed under Federal death penalty statutes, not Oklahoma’s (and that state is not shy about giving a gurney ride to a killer). A Texas jury might go for jury nullification were a farmer on trial for his life, but the Federal case can be moved to a more anti-defense state, just so O’Bama can show himself to be tough on (certain) crime.
Buffalobob commented:
Big sis says “but they were filled with Mexican jumping beans”.
ChocoCat commented:
Andreas, 10 years ago we are attacked by 19 guys with boxcutters. Since then, we have not been attacked at all. 10 years ago our intelligence services failed us so miserably as to demonstrate to the entire world how ineffective and utterly useless they are. And you believe they have saved us from every attack since, is that what you are telling me?
Bottom line, we were attacked with boxcutters ten years ago, not exactly a huge threat.
Rock commented:
CC you have proven beyond question you are a WTF loyal subject. Now please understand nothing you or any of your Socialist bros will change any minds here, you know it and only post for attention. We do not trust WTF and his loyal Socialist loving buds, and never will. So your continued banter here is nothing more than wasted band width. All your counters fall on deaf ears, accept that. I have spent a life time around the world and privy to the lie that is Socialism. A two tier society is made up those in power and the rich, the other tier are allowed just enough to keep them pacified, maybe.
ChocoCat commented:
Yes RickZ, yes, you have a vivid imagination that I cannot argue against. You win.
ChocoCat commented:
and BTW Andreas, freedom of religion is an American value, and if you think Muslims are terrorists and should not be allowed in your country, you are going to need to find a new country.
ChocoCat commented:
OK Rock, thanks for the update. Not sure what it has to do with me, but I am impressed with your wisdom and associated travels.
MJ commented:
Choco, one word for you, trash;
GO TO HE!!
ChocoCat commented:
BTW, you all should have a conference call. I am having trouble understanding who you people fear most, is it the illegals, the socialists, or the Muslims? Or are they all pretty much the same thing? LOL
ChocoCat commented:
MJ, assuming you believe in the spot you asked me to attend, I am thinking you should study a little more about who has the right to condemn others or you might wind up meeting me there.
MJ commented:
Choco, I have a GREAT idea, where you can practice your diversity/Soviet training;
GET OUT OF AMERICA and MOVE to Iran.
You’ll find how your ‘tolerance’ works.
Finished….no use arguing with a Soviet/Skank.
People like this should be sent to 3rd world hell holes that they hail to.
Choco- I would not doubt that when you were born, they slapped your mother and punched your father.
Caio to anyone that is at least HALF normal.
Old Cop commented:
If I were a border patrolman, tomorrow I’d be an ex-border patrolman. Someone up the chain of command should be fired and prosecuted over this (maybe numerous persons). And the agent’s family needs to get a good attorney.
ChocoCat commented:
OK MJ, thanks, I am a bit confused though, do you think I am a communist or a Muslim?
Mark commented:
ChocoBoob, your hot beef injection is ready! Get it from a Jihadi. Mummy’s basement is such a dump.
MJ commented:
Me, “condemn?’ HAHAHAHAHA, you and Barack HUSSEIN Osama CONDEMNED this man to death by your horrible ‘dont protect yourself against murderers’ gun issues.
STFUP about ‘condemn’, you LIBERAL SCUM care ZERO for life, WHAT A LAUGH YOU ALL ARE.
Again, GO TO HE!!, thats where you’ll be.
You and your MUSLIM Pres. condemned this man to death and care NOTHING for life.
Sick, sub-human, soviet/Alinsky SCUM.
MJ commented:
NO, Old Cop- there is NO Justice anymore, MEN are going to have to start executing justice.
“Evil prevails when GOOD men do nothing”
MJ commented:
OK MJ, thanks, I am a bit confused though, do you think I am a communist or a Muslim?
^^^ NO, I think you are a superficial a$$hole.
Rock commented:
ChocoCat commented:
OK Rock, thanks for the update. Not sure what it has to do with me, but I am impressed with your wisdom and associated travels.
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OK a little clearer, WTF is not to be trusted, and those who think otherwise are wasting their time here.
RickZ commented:
Okay, so what’s imaginary? McVeigh was tried in Colorado, and moving Federal trials happens all the time; the whole Country is Federal jurisdiction. So a farmer justifiably killing an illegal immigrant on his land would most likely not bother the local cops/prosecutors, which is why Eric the Red would have to step in. The Feds taking over a case also happened back in the Civil Rights days as the locals all too often ignored crimes against blacks.
ChocoCat commented:
Rock, my apologies, but I dont know what you are referring to when you say ‘WTF is not to be trusted’
befuddled commented:
From the fine minded folks that brought you the courageous restraint medal and the beanbag border patrol medal comes the “West Side Story”medal. From border patrol to Afghanistan, you can no longer get by in this modern world with the old “point,aim, and shoot.” In the front lines, you better be able to make quick, life and death decisions. In the heat of battle, their is no time to decide whether you want to be a Shark or a Jet. You better already know. This is why Homeland Security and the Defense Department have collaborated on the research and development of a better fighting technique that will produce more friends than enemies. Hollywood time tested “West Side Story” defensive techniques is now being taught by top notch choreographers to our fighting men and women and helping us to win the battle for hearts and minds. In the future, if you want to join our elite, front line ambassadors, you better start by shaking those hips,wagging those fingers, and tuning those vocal chords. If you want to join the few and the proud, you better be ready to show the enemy your jazz hands.
ChocoCat commented:
I said you win RickZ, lots of Texans have been prosecuted for shooting someone on their own property. You win, you got me. I lose, thanks, I learned my lesson. Good work.
Rock commented:
What, Win the future is an unknown to you, guess his campaign managers played that slogan wrong.
ChocoCat commented:
OK Mark, I must say you represent yourself and your ideology well, I am sure all these fine folks here appreciate the reflection upon them your light does shine.
Rock commented:
Meanwhile Big Sis is still clueless (read out of her league) or is criminal in her official duties, neither is terribly reassuring.
ChocoCat commented:
No, sorry Rock, I did not vote for Obama, never would, so maybe that is why I did not know what it was, sorry.
RickZ commented:
You’re entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts. We’ve been attacked on US soil since 9/11, most attacks being unsuccessful (mostly thanks to dumb luck on our part). Just because they were unsuccessful doesn’t mean they weren’t attacks. Plus, you ignore all the Sudden Jihad Syndrome ‘lone wolf’ attacks which have been successful at killing people here. Normally, these jihadi killers have claims of diminished mental capacity/insanity raised as a defense. Still doesn’t mean they aren’t attacks. Think Seattle and the jihadi who atttacked a Jewish Center shouting Allahu Ackbar. Or even Major Hasan. Or the Times Square bomber whose car bomb did not go off, but not because of lack of desire. The same thing for the Christmas airline bomber coming into Detroit, I believe it was. I agree, though, we’ve not been attacked anywhere near as spectacularly bloody as 9/11.
No attacks? Make me laugh.
Rock commented:
#129 March 3, 2011 at 2:09 pm
ChocoCat commented:
No, sorry Rock, I did not vote for Obama, never would, so maybe that is why I did not know what it was, sorry.
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Well if that was true why all the hate for Bush, and adulation For WTF?
Rock commented:
Meanwhile, Gangland Security, continues to seek and restrict our freedoms while WTF refuses to address a racist Attorney General, and recognize Islam as a threat.
ChocoCat commented:
Rock, who said I hated Bush, or loved Obama? You folks did. All I said is if you want to blame Obama for an economic crisis that happened in 2008, you need to be prepared to blame Bush for 9/11 that happened nine months in to his presidency. There is no hate, it is not personal, it is simply a reasonable expectation of reasonable people. You dont have to be an ideologue to be ask people to be apply the same standards to their opposition as they do to their own. But if you do ask this, as I have, you must be prepared to be attacked as an ideologue, and prepared to defend it eloquently, something you may aspire to someday
ChocoCat commented:
Rock said:
“Meanwhile, Gangland Security, continues to seek and restrict our freedoms while WTF refuses to address a racist Attorney General, and recognize Islam as a threat.”
Islam is not a threat, 19 guys with boxcutters may scare you, but I am not sacred…….just because you are scared does not make it a threat.
ChocoCat commented:
“We’ve been attacked on US soil since 9/11, most attacks being unsuccessful (mostly thanks to dumb luck on our part). Just because they were unsuccessful doesn’t mean they weren’t attacks. ”
OK, lets agree on that. So, we have been attacked. Where is the threat to the nation from some guy with a penis bomb? I am sorry, I would fly anywhere anytime with no xray, no security, just like a train or bus. I am not scared, terrorism does not scare me. If you want to make terrorism effective, keep maximizing the threat we face.
ChocoCat commented:
Rick, guns are legal, anyone with half a brain and one leg could buy one, head to an elementary school and make a bloody terrorist scene, but it dos not happen. You know why? Because there are no terrorists around.
If you want to fear someone, fear the people that actually kill. Fear drunk drivers for God’s sake, they are far more of a threat to you than Muslim terrorists, and any statistician worth his weight in salt could demoinstrate that fact to you, if you cared
but you dont, you want to pretend you need to be saved. Fine, but I dont.
RickZ commented:
ChocoCat,
You don’t think the Times Square car bomber wasn’t a threat, considering the bomb was set to go off at prime theater time on a Saturday? On an average Saturday evening around 8, Times Square is packed (I live in Queens, so I’m not talking out my @ss).
And what about the Sudden Jihad Syndrome jihadis? Are they not a threat?
Islam, as a theopolitcal contruct, is a threat to this Nation. It’s belief structure is also antithetical to our Constitution. Shari’a has no place in these United States, but CAIR and likeminded muslims sure seem to be pushing for it.
Notice I said ‘islam’. There will always be some muslims who never harm anyone, there will be some muslims who never harm anyone but who contribute zakat to those who do, and finally we have the third group of muslims who will happily kill Americans/Infidels for their shot at the Big Brothel In The Sky.
RickZ commented:
I’ll add, even if the third group is only 10% of muslims, that’s 10% of 1.6 billion.
Rock commented:
CC asked Rock, who said I hated Bush, or loved Obama?
Seeing your admiration for history is limited only to the Bush year Vs. the Obama years, it would suggest so. Maybe we should ask if Bill had his head in the game of being a leader, and not trying to convince the nation, he did not have sex with that woman, Bin Laden would not have pulled off 911. The past is dead and over with, given mankind has a terrible problem learning from their mistakes Why go there. WTF is now and has proven to be the worst POTUS ever. address that issue and stop living in the past.
Chisum commented:
Islam is not a threat, 19 guys with boxcutters may scare you, but I am not sacred…….just because you are scared does not make it a threat.
AssHat,
You can keep on with your ‘war on terra’ mentality. You can keep repeating the ‘men with box cutters’ mantra. It reveals how determined you are to push your belief system. You are so determined that you are willing to obfuscate and lie.
Those men were armed with jet airplanes, full of jet fuel, that they used to slam into buildings. I don’t know what the equivalent is of a plane full of jet fuel is to the number of bombs but I’m sure someone has worked that out.
So you continue to lie to yourself. Please do it elsewhere.
This is a Useful Idiot Free Zone.
Go insult someone else’s intelligence.
bg commented:
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ChocoCat
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bg commented:
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ChocoCat,
why do Islamists fear US??
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ChocoCat commented:
No, those men were armed with boxcutters, a failed policy allowed hijackers demands to be catered to idiots with boxcutters. They did not chrter the flights, the planes were handed over to them when they threatened passengers. This is reality, Bush himself said ‘we were attacked with boxcutters. Lying about it does not change it, we are a country of 300 million people, armed to the teeth, yoand you fear Muslimoids with boxcutters. Fine, boogiemen will always be available, heck, today I have been called a socialist (dangerous), a Muslim (dangerous), and a defender of illegal immigrants (dangerous). You people will always be scared, and you will always tell people that are not scared that it is because they are too dumb to be scared.
So be it. I am not scared.
ChocoCat commented:
BG, I dont know why an Islamist would fear us, I guess it would depend on the Islamist, just as it depends on the Redneck who is scared of commies.
ChocoCat commented:
wanna be scared, watch my video from a few weeks ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3GZ9Fb6sM
Rock commented:
ChocoCat commented:
Rock said:
“Meanwhile, Gangland Security, continues to seek and restrict our freedoms while WTF refuses to address a racist Attorney General, and recognize Islam as a threat.”
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CC said: Islam is not a threat, 19 guys with boxcutters may scare you, but I am not sacred…….just because you are scared does not make it a threat.
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19 guys with box cutters killed almost 3000 people. Scared is sticking your head in the sand and ignoring it. Allowing that it could happen again is using good sense.
Chisum commented:
AssHat,
You really aren’t a serious person. You’re just here to hump your lame video.
ChocoCat commented:
Rick said:
“Islam, as a theopolitcal contruct, is a threat to this Nation. It’s belief structure is also antithetical to our Constitution. Shari’a has no place in these United States, but CAIR and likeminded muslims sure seem to be pushing for it.”
Rick, take a class on US history and the US Constitution. Freedom of religion is something you must embrace to be patriotic American. If you dont believe in freedom of religion, you need to find a new country that is in line with your beliefs, cause this is not it.
bg commented:
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Agent Terry is dead, but ChocoCat is not scared..
it’s all about him folks, sounds familiar don’t it.. *sigh*
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Chisum commented:
AssHat was sure quick to put up those links to rogue border agents.
Like BO, they’re under the bus! Until they need them.
Chisum commented:
Perry: How Many More Americans Have to Die in Mexico?
VAN SUSTEREN: If something horrific is exported from that country to this country there’s going to be a lot of blood on hands there’s a lot of notice. People are not stepping up to the plate.
PERRY: You are absolutely right, Greta. As I asked this last week while we with this Washington, how many more Americans have to die? How many more of our friends, our neighbors, our loved ones have to die on that border or in Mexico because our government has absolutely failed?
http://nation.foxnews.com/rick-perry/2011/03/03/perry-how-many-more-americans-have-die-mexico-because-our-government-has-absol
RickZ commented:
RickZ commented:
My # 153: From “Ah, now . . .” are my words.
Militant Conservative commented:
Blackpu$$y. Keep talking, I read the whole thread and your really not very enlightened.
I can’t find anyone that voted for Obama either. Nobody wants to admit that mistake.
Powder is dry.
Rock commented:
Militant Conservative commented
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I can’t find anyone that voted for Obama either. Nobody wants to admit that mistake.
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How true, LOTFLMAO
bg commented:
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RickZ #152/153
you forgot..
these poor souls..
not to mention..
[CHRISTIAN SLAVES - MUSLIM MASTERS
]According to one report, 7000 English people were abducted between 1622 to 1644, many of them ship crews and passengers. But the Corsairs also landed on unguarded beaches, often at night, to snatch the unwary. Almost all the inhabitants of the village of Baltimore, in Ireland, were captured in 1631, and there were other raids in Devon and Cornwall. Many of these white, Christian slaves were put to work in quarries, building sites and galleys and endured malnutrition, disease and mistreatment at the hands of their Muslim slave masters. Many of them were used for public works such as building harbours.
Female captives were sexually abused in palace harems and others were held as hostages and bargained for ransom. “The most unlucky ended up stuck and forgotten out in the desert, in some sleepy town such as Suez, or in Turkish Sultanate galleys, where some slaves rowed for decades without ever setting foot on shore.” Professor Davis estimates that up to 1,25 million Europeans were enslaved by Muslim slave raiders between 1500 to 1800.
or..
[SLAVERY TODAY
Almost 200 years after the British outlawed the slave trade in 1807, slave raids and the sale of slaves in Muslim markets continues in countries like Sudan. The slave trade remained legal in Saudi Arabia until 1962, when under international pressure it was finally abolished. However, there are persistent, credible reports, that slavery persists in Saudi Arabia, and even that slaves from Sudan are ending up in Saudi Arabia.
Recently, a former slave from the Nuba Mountains of Sudan, Mende Nazer, had her autobiography: "Slave: My True Story" published. Mende was captured in 1992, she was first a slave to a rich Arab family in Khartoum, and then in 2002 to a Sudanese diplomat in London, from whom she escaped and sought political asylum.]
btw, the word i use for Islamism is Poligious, but i
certainly won’t quibble about your terminology..
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bg commented:
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okay, reached my limit..
scrolling the ChocoCat troll before it’s head bursts, oh wait..
rotflmbo, what was i thinking.. duh!!
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Stuart commented:
Choco Cat has nothing worthwhile to bring to the table.
All of his arguments boil down to an old childhood rhyme. “I’m rubber you’re glue. Everything you say bounces off me and sticks to you.”
Or maybe another example is more to the point. The Monty Python bit about paying to have an argument.
I”came here to have an argument!”
“No you didn’t.”
In any case don’t waste any more energy on him. He’s not an honest broker.
Ladue Pundit commented:
CoCoPuss, you disappoint me.
I was sure you’d blame Cheney for the 9/11 “inside job” instead of the flying monkeys with boxcutters.
ilikai commented:
USE LETHAL FORCE FIRST!!!!! We are being invaded and trying to push them back by snapping wet towels at them while they shoot us with real bullets. USE LETHAL FORCE FIRST!!!!
ilikai commented:
Oh and take who ever survives and throw them back over the fence immediately!
bg commented:
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ht RG
ATF Let Hundreds of U.S. Weapons Fall into
Hands of Suspected Mexican Gunrunners
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Steven commented:
Choco: You keep speaking as if ObamessiaZZ foreign and national policies are any different than Bushazz policies. Wars-check/spending-check/gitmo still open for business-check/bailing out bankers-check/increasing and spreading wars-check. Now just what is it about B.O. that you find so much “change” with? His appeasement of the muslim brotherhood? I suppose you believe that all of these “Revolutions” occurring in the middleeast is about hunger of “democracy” and not about hungry empty guts, right? Sorry , you are so wrong and delusioned that you cannot see the forest for the trees that are blocking your view. It appears that you still believe that there is a difference in the tee-vee medias fictional right vs left/repug vs demorat paradigmn.
Fed up with illegals! commented:
God bless Agent Terry and his family.
The irony of it all is that the ILLEGAL in Chief (Obama) gives the order to “go easy” on the illegals who don’t think twice of murdering a border patrol agent. Obama and his administration should be tried for NEGLIGENCE and INTENTIONAL INFLICTION OF PAIN FOR THE LOVED ONES OF THESE MURDERED BORDER PATROL AGENTS! IMPEACH OBAMA!!!!!!
If the GOP doesn’t get their head’s out of their as*ses, they’re going to f/u the 2012 election!
BUILD THE SOUTHERN BORDER FENCE NOW, PUT BARBED WIRE AT THE TOP, ELECTRIFY IT, AND HAVE NATIONAL GUARD TOWERS WITH ARMED GUARDSMAN. IF ILLEGALS TRY TO COME INTO THE US, SHOOT TO KILL! Do you think we will have many people trying to cross illegally then? We must be the laughing stock of Mexico (what suckers those gringo’s are! we come in, get on welfare, reproduce like rabbits, and milk the American taxpayer dry before wiring all our money back home, before returning for good.) E-VERIFY needs to be passed NOW — call your state legislators and demand it be voted on this session. More states are cracking down; it isn’t going to happen on the federal level with Dirty Harry in charge of the Senate and the Chief Illegal in the WH. Jobs are the magnet. No jobs, bye bye. And take your anchor terds with you!
Doris R commented:
Fox’s Megan Kelly had the brother of the murdered Border Patrol agent. He said nobody from the White House has been in touch with his family. Not one single person has contacted them. How does Obama expect to get anybody to apply for those jobs when they have no weapons to protect themselves? I know the answer. He doesn’t care about them. He’s too busy cowtowing to Calderon and doing what he wants instead of what’s necessary for our agents. Isn’t it time the Dems see through this person (Obama) who is making decisions that affect our country? I agree with the barbed wire fence and electrifying it and guard towers with armed guards.
urallcrazy commented:
Cant believe someone on here actuallys said Obama is a CON-stitutional Scholar? LOL. thats what you are told, do you actually research what you are told or do you just BeLIEve? Find me ONE paper he ever published, find me one thing he ever did or published either from college or his supposed law career.
rr commented:
What next yard darts!!!!!
X commented:
State militias are going to have to take responsibility for protecting their own borders. The bad thing is that the enemy is inside the gate already, thanks to the globalist corporate federal government.
Steve commented:
Rules of engagement by fa**ots. Same as absorbing a nuclear first strike.
Bob Perkins commented:
The BEANBAG is the “POLITICALLY CORRECT” weapon of choice for this Administration. I have heard that they are even actually using THEM in Afganistan is some cases? What on earth is wrong with the whimpy minded officials in Washington, D.C. that let our personnel go into harms way with BEANBAGS?? I know!! They are frightened that some one will say THEY are terrorist if they allowed our personnel to use REAL weapons to defend themselves and the honor of this great Nation! They are so obsessed with the fear of being POLITICALLY CORRECT” at all times that THEY are allowing the USA to slide right down the drain!! Where is Harry Truman when we really need him!! He would not have put up with this chickensh*t crap one minute!! He would probably have wiped Somalia right off the map by now!!! God, please give us another HST to guide this country down the straight and narrow!!
bg commented:
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Steve #170
comments by (*o*) aren’t much better..
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