Niall Ferguson Completely Destroys Entire MSNBC Panel on Obama’s Foreign Policy Disaster (Video)
Posted by Jim Hoft on Sunday, February 27, 2011, 12:12 PM
Author-historian Niall Ferguson completely destroyed the MSNBC set this week while discussing Barack Obama’s non-existent foreign policy.
This was an incredible smackdown.
Via The Blog Prof:
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Ferguson wrote about Obama’s bumblings in the Middle East earlier this month:
WANTED: A Grand Strategy for America
The wave Obama just missed—again—is the revolutionary wave of Middle Eastern democracy. It has surged through the region twice since he was elected: once in Iran in the summer of 2009, the second time right across North Africa, from Tunisia all the way down the Red Sea toYemen. But the swell has been biggest in Egypt, the Middle East’s most populous country.
In each case, the president faced stark alternatives. He could try to catch the wave, Bismarck style, by lending his support to the youthful revolutionaries and trying to ride it in a direction advantageous to American interests. Or he could do nothing and let the forces of reaction prevail. In the case of Iran, he did nothing, and the thugs of the Islamic Republic ruthlessly crushed the demonstrations. This time around, in Egypt, it was worse. He did both—some days exhorting Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak to leave, other days drawing back and recommending an “orderly transition.”
The result has been a foreign-policy debacle. The president has alienated everybody: not only Mubarak’s cronies in the military, but also the youthful crowds in the streets of Cairo. Whoever ultimately wins, Obama loses. And the alienation doesn’t end there. America’s two closest friends in the region—Israel and Saudi Arabia—are both disgusted. The Saudis, who dread all manifestations of revolution, are appalled at Washington’s failure to resolutely prop up Mubarak. The Israelis, meanwhile, are dismayed by the administration’s apparent cluelessness.
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Anon Y. Mous commented:
That is a great video, but it’s not from this week. It’s from 2/14. Watch the white bar on top of the video; they rotate in the date occasionally.
Swifty commented:
Yeah, well, at least Obama has a comprehensive energy policy for the nation— continue to depend on and buy oil from Muslim countries and other countries with dictators who despise us. That’s a clear policy, right?
jimg commented:
Wouldn’t one actually have to have a foreign policy before it can be deemed a success or failure?
jorgen commented:
One could get the impression that Obama does not like democracy anywhere on earth.
Granny commented:
Better late than never Anon! I had missed this and Niall is FANTASTIC!
Multitude commented:
Debacle is nonsense. Anyone who’s sufficiently studied Lenin (as President Obama most certainly has) understands that the real action is in Second Revolutions. Portraying the democratic First Revolution as incompetent and a dialectical negative-to-the-original that was overthrown is key to Lenin’s modification of the Marxist dialectic and advance toward a final form with an overseeing Vanguard.
As such, Obama’s policy is remarkably coherent and actually parallels his domestic strategy. The right wing that fears conspiracies of Cloward and Piven are already a revolution behind in the game. The United States is already post-revolution, as if ObamaCare and the disregard for the no-longer recognized judicial branch, the termination of drilling in the gulf and disregard for findings of being in contempt of court, etc. wasn’t enough to signal the conclusion of the first revolution.
What’s necessary now is the creation of the right conditions for the uprising of the proletariat, as the unions are most clearly attempting to facilitate (but conditions, as observed from this weekend’s outcome, are not quite right yet). The near daily visits by the union vanguard to the White House, and the highly precise coordination of manufactured unrest and civil discord (through the bussing of radicals to pre-planned, “made for tv” spectacles and with the close coordination and framing of a complicit media vanguard) are all instrumental in propelling the nation toward second revolution. Obama and the progressive party vanguard merely supply the heat through economic devolution and social agitation.
Mark commented:
The talking heads are blithering idiots. One loses IQ points even listening to these cretins.
Niall Ferguson is clear and far thinking. Obama is a stereotypical marxist dimwit, surrounded by apparatchiks even more dim than he. Mark Steyn is right when he notes, “America decided let’s elect a black guy.” What could be wrong with this? RAAAAACISTS!
Who are Obama’s buttpuppets? What is their experience? Almost all lifer gubmint bureaucrats with exactly ZERO experience in the private sector. Business to them is a sheep to be shorn. The following is excerpted from Investor’s Business Daily:
The percentage of each past president’s cabinet who had worked in the private business sector prior to their appointment to the cabinet. You know what the private business sector is … a real life business, not a government job. Here are the percentages.
T. Roosevelt……… 38%
Taft………………….40%
Wilson ………………..52%
Harding…………….49%
Coolidge……………. 48%
Hoover…………….. 42%
F. Roosevelt……… 50%
Truman………………50%
Eisenhower………… 57%
Kennedy………….. 30%
Johnson………………47%
Nixon………………. 53%
Ford………………… 42%
Carter……………… 32%
Reagan……………….56%
GH Bush…………….. 51%
Clinton …………….. 39%
GW Bush……………. 55%
And the winner is:
Obama……………. 8%
This helps to explain the incompetence of this administration: only 8% of them have ever worked in private business!
That’s right! Only eight percent—the least, by far, of the last 19 presidents! And these people are trying to tell our big corporations how to run their business? They know what’s best for GM, Chrysler, Wall Street, and you and me?
These same career fools are making a hash of foreign policy and almost ensuring the mideast goes up in smoke, most likely radioactive smoke.
gorgo commented:
The best part is that, from their cowed reactions, you can just FEEL how stupid the entire panel feels as he spanks them one by one. They had to feel very, very embarrassed.
bg commented:
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[.] But he doesn’t mince words about Mr. Obama’s record so far. The
president “wasted two and a half years” cozying up to dictators and
abandoning dissidents, he says. “Partly to distance himself from Bush,
democracy promotion became a kind of bad phrase for him.” He also
made the Israeli-Palestinian conflict his top priority, at the expense of
pushing for freedom. “By putting the democracy file on hold, on the
back burner, he did not accomplish peace nor did he serve democracy,”
says Mr. Ibrahim.
‘Dislikable as [President Bush] may have been to many liberals,
including my own wife, we have to give him credit,” says Mr. Ibrahim.
“He started a process of some conditionality with American aid and
American foreign policy which opened some doors and ultimately was
one of the building blocks for what’s happening now.” That conditionality
extended to Mr. Ibrahim: In 2002, the Bush administration successfully
threatened to withhold $130 million in aid from Egypt if Mr. Mubarak didn’t
release him.
God Bless GWB..
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Multitude commented:
I’m struggling to see where there is evidence of incompetence in this administration. Succeeding in delivering the global hegemon to second revolution, while also facilitating conditions for second revolutions world-wide in nations formerly aligned with the West strikes me as remarkable competence.
As critical as I tend to be of the left, the right has got to get past its structural blindness to the productivity of “chaos” and “anarchy.” It sees those as negations of power: absence of power. Most current post-structural theory correctly corresponds it to instead a powerfully productive condition (which parallels quantum theory which illustrates how order is repeatedly instantiated from chaos). Attributing the willful reduction of a state to “chaos” and “anarchy” and attributing it to incompetence or inattention imputes a motive that does not exist. Obama, Soros and the Progressives have been remarkably clear in this intention, and in this respect, they’re much further ahead than conservatives.
Lenin’s own writings (historically stuck in a structuralist orientation but sensing an opportunity for the fascist left) illustrate his understanding that one could not take a structural form and replace it with another in one movement. At least two steps were required, particularly given the ignorance of the masses and the need for a vanguard to guide them over decades or centuries toward “correct thinking.” The state of political theory, as we understand it today, suggests that Lenin’s thought was somewhat correct and it is certainly corresponding to the playbook that Obama is executing, based on the coalition of vanguards that has placed the unaccomplished, unsophisticated and unqualified street agitator into the position of executing the appropriate political steps to open the conditions for second revolution.
Should there be any capacity for those opposed to prevent what appears to be nearly certain (given the immanent implosion of the debt bubble and currency collapse) will only become possible should those opposing revise their models from the inept and historically obsolete structuralist legacy they inherit. Realistically, it is unlikely that even given the best intentions, a second revolution in the U.S. will be avoided. Shaping its direction is probably the only choice the Right has now, given its complicity in creating the debt bubble that will reconcile now and trigger systemic collapse.
bg commented:
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Multitude #10
call me nuts, but i see the YOUTH of the MIDDLE EAST rebelling en masse against PARENTAL AUTHORITY, and for what it’s worth, i believe they view that PARENTAL AUTHORITY as being OLD WORLD MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD TYPES.. i also believe they desperately want what we have (FREEDOM & DEMOCRACY) vs them desperately wanting to annihilate what we have (FREEDOM & DEMOCRACY)..
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dwd commented:
I love this guy. Every time he’s on tv, he’s gold. THIS is the kind of person a President should have as an adviser (someone who actually knows things), NOT union thug bosses and filthy Chicago politicians.
lethargic commented:
Yah it’s out of date, but oooh it’s good. Mr. Ferguson is my new man-crush.
winston commented:
Great job, Nial. I am his fan. He has written some very great books. I giggled watching the video
bg commented:
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Obama is out to take US down..
what Barry didn’t count on was what Bush managed to do, namely inspire
the youth of the Middle East & Africa’s thirst for freedom & democracy..
we also have way more to fear from the Muslim Brotherhood than they do..
while they are dying trying to rid their parlors of QA & palaces of Dictators,
we’ve not only invited them into our parlor but afforded them a seat in our
Oval Office..
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bg commented:
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Multitude #10
re: [I’m struggling to see where there is evidence
of incompetence in this administration. ]
me too..
heck, if i had a nickel for every time i rebutted that notion,
not to mention the affirmative action nonsense, i’d be rich..
and we ain’t seen nothin’ yet..
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Dennis commented:
Not sure Saudi Arabia should be referred to as one our biggest allies, given how they treat terrorists and what they write about infidels in their textbooks…
DomesticGoddess commented:
A brilliant contrast between a Thinker and the Feelers. They look like their heads are going to explode because they couldn’t process any of Ferguson’s concepts. They only heard him being a meany to their idol.
Francesca commented:
Who was the woman on the panel? She was horrified by what she was hearing and kept rushing in to support O.
bg commented:
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HOMEGROWN TERRORISM AND MUSLIM ‘RADICALIZATION’:
A COMPLEX BUT REAL THREAT
[Representative King is no newcomer to controversy in the area of homeland security. Refusing to be silenced by ‘political correctness,’ Representative King claims that he majority of mosques in America are not venues of spirituality, but dens of Islamic radicalization where hate against America is regularly taught and aggressively promoted. Representative King also contends that the majority of mosques in America promote homegrown terrorist activities and violence.
[..]
The NYPD has gathered further evidence regarding the growing threat from “homegrown” terrorists. Top officials in the NYPD note that “it was formerly controversial to state that Americans will increasingly face a challenge from “homegrown” terrorism. The grim statistics cannot be denied,” (Judith Miller, “New Yorkistan?]
Anxiety on all sides of upcoming House
hearing on radicalization of U.S. Muslims
[In some ways, Zuhdi Jasser doesn't match the profile of the typical Muslim American. He's an active Republican who has supported U.S. wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, advocates for Israel and says his faith harbors "an insidious supremacism."
Yet the prominent Scottsdale, Ariz., doctor is the face of American Islam for a Capitol Hill moment. Other than members of Congress, Jasser is the only witness New York Rep. Peter T. King has identified so far for his upcoming hearings on the radicalization of U.S. Muslims.]
to be continued..
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bg commented:
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re: #20 continued..
Springtime in Islamberg
Islamberg is a branch of Muslims of the Americas Inc., a tax-exempt organization formed in 1980 by Pakistani cleric Sheikh Mubarak Ali Gilani, who refers to himself as “the sixth Sultan Ul Faqr,” Gilani, has been directly linked by court documents to Jamaat ul-Fuqra or “community of the impoverished,” an organization that seeks to “purify” Islam through violence.
Though primarily based in Lahore, Pakistan, Jamaat ul-Fuqra has operational headquarters in New York and openly recruits through various social service organizations in the U.S., including the prison system. Members live in hamaats or compounds, such as Islamberg, where they agree to abide by the laws of Jamaat ul-Fuqra, which are considered to be above local, state and federal authority. Additional hamaats have been established in Hyattsville, Maryland; Red House, Virginia; Falls Church, Virginia; Macon, Georgia; York, South Carolina; Dover, Tennessee; Buena Vista, Colorado; Talihina, Oklahoma; Tulane Country, California; Commerce, California; and Onalaska, Washington. Others are being built, including an expansive facility in Sherman, Pennsylvania.
Before becoming a citizen of Islamberg or any of the other Fuqra compounds, the recruits – - primarily inner city black men who became converts in prison – - are compelled to sign an oath that reads: “I shall always hear and obey, and whenever given the command, I shall readily fight for Allah’s sake.”
In the past, thousands of members of the U.S. branches of Jamaat ul-Fuqra traveled to Pakistan for paramilitary training, but encampments, such as Islamberg, are now capable of providing book-camp training so raw recruits are no longer required to travel abroad amidst the increased scrutiny of post 9/11.]
Homegrown Jihad
Busted! Anti-American Terrorism Supporters in Chicago
[Understand, you are to take these folks seriously.
There’s a searchable alphabetical list of Committee to Stop FBI Repression supporting organizations. It includes approximately 250 hard left groups categorized as: “International Solidarity” (lots of socialist groups — pick a country), social justice, “anti-war,” religious (often confused with Muslim and pro-Palestinian organizations), pro-Communist (CODEPINK, Committees of Correspondence for Democracy and Socialism, National Lawyers Guild), political (i.e. Communist Party USA, First of May Anarchist Alliance, Freedom Road Socialist Organization, Green Party, Houston Communist Party USA, Socialist Party USA, Socialist Workers Party, U.S. Marxist-Leninist Organization, Workers World Party), students (Revolutionary Students Union, Students for a Democratic Society), and labor groups (lots of unions — pick a union) — and Council on American-Islamic Relations, which identifies itself as a civil liberties organization.]
more & links @ links..
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Donna S. commented:
Oh lord, I love this video. Go Niall! There WERE left speechless. How refreshing.
bg commented:
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re: #9
A Democrat’s Triumphal Return to Cairo [2/26/2011]
[So what should the White House do? “Publicly endorse every democratic movement in the Middle East and offer help,” he says. The least the administration can do is withhold “aid and trade and diplomatic endorsement. Because now the people can do the job. America doesn’t have to send armies and navies to change the regimes. Let the people do their change.”]
sure seems to me that Nialls and this wise
man are more or less echoing each other..
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Stephen Morgan commented:
Im suprised that the only “AA magic Negro” on the panel didn’t start saying “R-A-C-I-S-T!”
It was entertaining to see the expression on the chick’s face while Niall spoke.. This Kenyan is going to destroy our xountry and all we can do is go along for the ride…. bastard…
Stuart commented:
One has to wonder how long it is going to take for the MSM, who have been from the inception Obama cheer leaders, to realize that their posteriors are on the line as well. They can cover for Comrade Zero, but what happens if his incompetence leads to a economic or nuclear disaster.
What happens to their investment portfolios? I’ll tell you what, down the toilet, that’s what.
At some point their rational self interest has to kick in when they realize that continuing to flak for this poseur will lead to the impoverishment of all. When it finally occurs to them that this is a probable outcome-indeed the most probable outcome- then Comrade Zero is finished…Period.
mcc commented:
Saw this video last week and think I know now what that “tingle” feels like.
Multitude’s contributions here are terrific, too, though sobering.
Also want to express my apologies to Mitch Daniels. Caught him with Chris Wallace this AM and acknowledge the danger of judging (him harshly) only by what I’ve read a person’s statements to be. I liked what I saw and heard this morning. If he’s right on the immigration issue, add Col. West to his ticket and I could vote for the man.
Gotta know someone strong on defense is on the team. As Multitude – and Niall – point out, we’ve got our work cut out for us.
justasimplepatriot commented:
Absolutely priceless. The female anchor had to change her underwear after that interview.
Chisum commented:
One has to wonder how long it is going to take for the MSM, who have been from the inception Obama cheer leaders, to realize that their posteriors are on the line as well. They can cover for Comrade Zero, but what happens if his incompetence leads to a economic or nuclear disaster.
Stuart @ #25,
They’ve got that covered.
http://nation.foxnews.com/culture/2011/02/26/huff-po-could-small-nuclear-war-reverse-global-warming
RickZ commented:
Francesca #19,
That blonde is the daughter of Zbigniew Brezhinski, Mika.
The stupid hurts in that one.
wanumba commented:
Outstanding. He’s totally correct.
Listening to the total political hacks trying to excuse, come up with assine objections to provide political cover against genuine, informed evaulation and dead-on criticism is infuriating. Idiots like them will get us all killed. DOn’t even evoke “Hillary” the Spouse with zero international experience who they hope will replace Obama. It just makes it worse.
THat vapid Mika woman is ALWAYS an annoying disgrace. How nice Daddy got her a high paid job to be sure the party has an apparachtik on the show. Does she suck on lemons before the red light goes on every show? She sure don’t suck up real knowledge, just talking points, which half the time she literally just reads out of the notebook, too lazy to memorize them for the show.
Ipso Facto commented:
The lady on the panel was Mika Brzezinski. Her Father, Zbigniew Brzezinski, was a National Security Advisor for Jimmy Carter. Shame she couldn’t muster up anything relevant to contribute, but instead, simply acted as though she was revolted someone would not worship President Obama. Just like Diane Sawyer, she displayed more histrionics than intelligence. This is a liberal trait, no? If you can’t contribute to the debate, just create a diversion by acting shocked and appalled.
Ferguson was brilliant! We should recruit him to move over here and become an educator.
Liberals just hate it when people call attention to the truth about Obama’s inexperience, ineffectiveness and incompetence, but as you could see here, they had no real rebuttal, because Ferguson was absolutely correct on all counts.
Every day the truth is exposed more and more that Obama is simply a flim-flam man, a shuck and jive artist. We have become so accustomed to giving minorities a pass on the requisites everyone else has to have to be anything in America and now we are reaping the disastrous results of that effort in social engineering gone bad.
The “Youth” of Egypt had no idea that after they started the ruckus, that they actually had to DO something and be organized in advance. They too had no plan but to revolt against “the establishment”. Wait until they see what they have precipitated. I’m afraid we will see their naïveté on display after a new government has been formed in Egypt. Problem is that if the MB takes over, they won’t be so sympathetic to any “youth” movements in the future.
Polybius commented:
The irony here is that Obama has spent his presidency apologizing for America. The next president will have to spend most of his time apologizing for Obama.
Chauncey Gardner had a better grasp of reality than the fool on the hill we have in the White House now.
RickZ commented:
Multitude,
Thank you for sharing your well-reasoned thoughts. Your two posts above (#’s 6 & 10) are gold.
wanumba commented:
Obama’s apparent inactions are either a total ineptitude or perhaps he long ago (years) had thrown in with the Muslim Brotherhood to restore the Caliphate. Ghaddafi sure looked surprised, so he THOUGHT he had the inside connection, but apparently not. It’s more than a bit chilling that Obama seems to be exceptionally adept at using and discarding people and causes to rocket himself to the top of anything.
bg commented:
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Chisum #28
OMG, so that’s what Islamists have done for NASA!! /s/
oh btw: the following is what i heard GWB say several times over..
“This crusade – this war on terrorism – is going to take a while, [...] And the American people must be patient. I’m going to be patient. But I can assure the American people I am determined.”[21] On September 20, 2001, during a televised address to a joint session of congress, Bush launched the war on terror when he said, “Our ‘war on terror’ begins with al Qaeda, but it does not end there. It will not end until every terrorist group of global reach has been found, stopped and defeated.”[22] Bush did not say when he expected this would be achieved. (Previous to this usage, after stepping off the presidential helicopter on Sunday, September 16, 2001, Bush stated in an unscripted and controversial comment: “This crusade, this war on terrorism is going to take a while.” Bush later apologized for this remark due to the negative connotations the term crusade has to people of Muslim faith. The word crusade was not used again).
not to mention, we’ve only just begun..
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Stuart commented:
Chisum #28 Well, since it’s only little brown brother (AKA the Worthy Oriental Gentlemen) getting the flash burns, I guess it’s acceptable.
OMG and the left have the guts to call us racists.
Incidentally, as we all know once a N-war starts, it will be just SO controllable.
No worry mate!
Multitude commented:
@stuart/25: This is what I very much fear. I really think you’re well intentioned, but we’ve got to get more of us past attributing our norms and values upon the media. For instance, you ask how long it will be until the MSM realize their posteriors are on the line. A good reading of the Russian revolutions, Mao’s ascendancy, Kampuchea and countless other studies in totalitarianism suggests a firm and troubling answer to your question is: NEVER. Good Maoists asked how they failed the Leader when Mao periodically shifted the balance structure to keep a persistent condition of disequilibrium. Thousands of party loyalists went to their death pleading with their executioners that they were faithful and the leader must have misunderstood (and thousands more concluded that their very capacity to question their judgment of death by the Leader was in itself a confirmation that the Leader had seen their intrinsic guilt). Awaiting a coming-to-awareness by the MSM progressofascist faithful will never occur (just consider the extent of Germans, Russians and other post-totalitarianists who continue to deny the horror of their collective participation).
> what happens if his incompetence leads to a economic or nuclear disaster.
We already have an economic disaster that exceeds the financial impact of WW-I and WW-II combined, yet the same MSM attributes this causation to Emmanuel Goldstein ala George Bush, Tea Party, Evil Corporations (that aren’t Globalist Cartel Corporations since those Soros, Buffett, Google and friends are by definition “doing good”), etc.
>What happens to their investment portfolios?
What part of “The Party will Provide” are we failing to understand? Let’s be as objective as possible on this; don’t all of us “in the room” here know that the $115 trillion of *domestic* ponzi void, combined with the apparent hundreds of trillions of fictional funds to satisfy firm contractual obligations (pensions, sovereign debt, etc.) must implode? Aren’t we more than aware of the firewalling occurring right now by Indonesia, Malaysia, India, China, etc. in order to not just limit the social upheaval but to detach from the immanent fiscal bubble implosion? When money becomes meaningless, why would we expect a “rational actor” who works for the MSM to suddenly value long-term financial portfolios? I’d hardly advocate rational expectation theory, but even those folks have to be fleeing for the exit now.
>this poseur will lead to the impoverishment of all.
Many in the MSM, as well as others, see this as inevitable. It’s a question of how you ride out the collapse at this point.
> Comrade Zero is finished…Period.
Really a meaningless outcome; that the global elites who are firewalling, cashing in sovereign systems, and preparing to hunker down and ride out a few hundred years of total chaos would lose the elected office of the poseur they placed into office wouldn’t even merit an alligator tear. One’s reminded of the Duke Brothers in Trading Places.
My apologies for the pervasive catastrophism, but there seem to be less options for enthusiasm. November’s elections gave us a Republican party that seems to think the cure for the morbidly obese patient facing nearly-terminal diabetes and heart disease is to only put a half-gallon of syrup and four sticks of butter on the one hundred pancakes it engorges daily for breakfast. The tea party continues to show potential, but not when it’s guided by myths of “return to Founderism” of well meaning but wrong century advocates like Beck and Limbaugh. Confronted with radical opponents who are funded by the global elites and employ current tactics tested from a century of Marxist revolutionary battle, and it seems that we’re pretty much out of the game. Our opponents just want it more, have patiently positioned themselves for 80 years, and will do whatever it takes to win.
bg commented:
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disclaimer re: #35
minus the word “crusade” of course..
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gru57 commented:
Refreshing commentary from a Newsweek source? That was a surprise for me.
1) He will not EVER be invited back
2) The talking heads tried so hard to protect The One from such harsh, but very truthful, comments it was comical for me to see they’re facial expressions.
3) This exchange needs to go viral on line.
bg commented:
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Multitude #37
re: [My apologies for the pervasive catastrophism, but there seem to be less options for enthusiasm. November’s elections gave us a Republican party that seems to think the cure for the morbidly obese patient facing nearly-terminal diabetes and heart disease is to only put a half-gallon of syrup and four sticks of butter on the one hundred pancakes it engorges daily for breakfast. The tea party continues to show potential, but not when it’s guided by myths of “return to Founderism” of well meaning but wrong century advocates like Beck and Limbaugh. Confronted with radical opponents who are funded by the global elites and employ current tactics tested from a century of Marxist revolutionary battle, and it seems that we’re pretty much out of the game. Our opponents just want it more, have patiently positioned themselves for 80 years, and will do whatever it takes to win.]
thanks for the sad but true summary..
been more or less warning about the enemy from within since 9/11, and ad
nauseum since Obama, i call them IslaMarxists, as that us what they are
underneath all that the Green (scroll, click, whatever, i’ve only posted them
a bout a thousand times)..
we did not listen, we’re not listening still..
[had to replace some links as with newer ones as the older ones went poof, other than numerous vids/article's going poof, guess goog also recycle's /s]
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wanumba commented:
#10 February 27, 2011 at 1:07 pm
Multitude commented:
I’m struggling to see where there is evidence of incompetence in this administration. Succeeding in delivering the global hegemon to second revolution, while also facilitating conditions for second revolutions world-wide in nations formerly aligned with the West strikes me as remarkable competence.
. Realistically, it is unlikely that even given the best intentions, a second revolution in the U.S. will be avoided. Shaping its direction is probably the only choice the Right has now, given its complicity in creating the debt bubble that will reconcile now and trigger systemic collapse.
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Hold it right there.
Huh? Complicity? We had a manageable debt, then the Democrats, who campaigned on “fixing that debt” blew it past Alpha Centuri. What ass takes a debt of $100 and makes it $1,000,000,000 to “fix it?”
That’s not “fixing” that’s THEFT. CAll it what it is, and the “Right ” is NOT “complicit” in it. The PEOPLE told the Democrats NOT to do this and they sneered at us all and did whatever they wanted.
And this airy rhetoric of “revolution” in a classroom and coddled by the bubble-world of universities are latte-indulged fantasies. Civilization requires order and security to function. Citizens cannot make decisions – can’t invest, can’t even send their kids to school when rule of law does not exist. NO advancements occur in the chaos of competing ppwer groups when the agreed upon succession of power is disrupted.
For all his faults, Mubarak was right when he said he’d not seek re-election, and that the focus then should have been on allowing the people to chose by VOTE a new government.
Honduras was RIGHT when they LAWFULLY removed their president. They removed the PERSON of the presidency, but kept the integrity of ALL their governing institutions, including the presidency and the lawful system of chosing a government. Meddling Obama tried to disrupt that – a strange time to suddenly “meddle.”
In ominous consistency, across North AFrica, Obama has not tried to stop a dissolving of structures that the PEOPLE of these nations could respect, instead he promotes the unknown, uncertainty and chaos. He has NOT spoken of respecting institutions, but cutting them off, pulling official out of office before their terms have expired. A tantruming mentality that doesn’t respect patience or stabilizing functions and societal agreements.
WHen Rome fell, the barbarians swept across Europe and it took CENTURIES to crawl out of the insuing chaos and fighting, STARVATION and destruction. Leftists who talk, too selfish to raise even a child of their own, and so care nothing of the children of others, care nothing of the deaths of children. This talk of revolution is vile and evil.
A Liberian refugee from the Liberian Civil War stood at the street, ten years ago in Ivory Coast after the president had fled, and said to us, “They are dancing now. They do NOT know what they’ve done, they’ve opened the gates of hell.” Instead of being “free” of the old order to blossom into a fresh flwoer of achievement, Ivory Coast’s last ten years have been a steady slide into increasing chaos, and with TWO factions now declaring to be the legitimate ruling authority, far, far worse is ahead.
DO not listen to the snakes who smooth talk “revolution” as ANY legitimate or acceptable form of change of government.
SandyfromChesterfield commented:
I think Mika was kidding when she told Niall Ferguson to come back soon. He will never be invited on MSNBC again.
bg commented:
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via AJ-E
Chief of the Arab League and former Mubarak-era minister
confirms that he will run in upcoming presidential election.
[Strong following
Asked if he was going to run as an independent or join a political
party, Moussa said: "This is a detail that we will deal with later."
As foreign minister until 2001, Moussa gained such a strong following among
Egyptians that his nomination for the Arab League post was seen by some
as an attempt by Mubarak's government to sideline him before he posed a
political threat.
Following the toppling of Tunisia's president in January, he had
warned Arab leaders of unprecedented anger among the Arab public.]
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Christina commented:
bg (#11) commented:
“call me nuts, but i see the YOUTH of the MIDDLE EAST rebelling en masse against PARENTAL AUTHORITY, and for what it’s worth, i believe they view that PARENTAL AUTHORITY as being OLD WORLD MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD TYPES.. i also believe they desperately want what we have (FREEDOM & DEMOCRACY) vs them desperately wanting to annihilate what we have (FREEDOM & DEMOCRACY)”
I spoke with a former Navy SEAL 2 days ago about thus, and he absolutely confirms it.
Redgrandma commented:
Multitude #10 and #37. I have been hoping against hope that the things you present are wrong but I believe you have nailed it. I have been juggling in my mind the two alternatives — incompetent or diabolical — every since O was elected. The only real answer is diabolical. I pray every day for the sake of my children and grandchildren, and take whatever small actions I can to help awaken others but it seems too many are already comatose.
Old One commented:
#11 Bg,
Your idea that the young are rebelling against islamism is pure hogwash.They are imposing it on their parents & grandparents. I have been traveling frequently & extensively in muslim countries & areas since 1971.
In Malaysia, Indonesia, Kosovo, southern Thailand & the Philippines, India, Turkey, the West Bank, Jordan & Egypt all have seen a return to pre-twentieth century conditions for women.
In the early 1970 in Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand,themuslim southern reaches of the island of Mindanao in the Philippines,& Kosovo, Turkey, & the West Bank there were ZERO veiled women. I returned to most of these same countries in the late 1990s to find that s the young womenhad taken up wrapping themselves in textile Saudi style not mother & grandmother. It was the younger men shouting allahu akbar not grandpa & dad.
Saudi money fed through the madrasass and to the imams by Suadi Wahabbi nutbars via the mosques is what is behind turning the young minds full of mush into what we see in the return to retrograde religious fanaticism in muslim world today. It is the young under the influence of Saudi Wahabbism that is driving islamofascism and it’s not coming from the parents & grandparents. Islamic fanaticism draws its suicide bombers and jihadi fighters from the young not the older generations. It was westernized and modern foward looking old Dad who turned his lislamofascist lunatic son the Christmas Day bomber’s name over to our feeble minded brain dead fumbling FBI and Janitalia Incompetano’s Homeland Insecurity.
Christina commented:
Redgrandma #45, even BEFORE Obama was elected, I did not and have never, ever trusted him. With all else that any of us can do, small or otherwise, prayer without ceasing is key.
bg commented:
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Old One #46
we shall see, sure sounds like Liberty vs “Death
to (fitb)” (ie: America, Israel, Infidels) to me..
but hey, they want to live under Islamist rule, no sweat off my back, deport
all Islamist back home if that’s what they prefer, just don’t bring it here &/or
insist they have the right to subject Americans to their laws or religion..
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wanumba commented:
#46 February 27, 2011 at 4:39 pm
Old One commented:
#11 Bg,
Your idea that the young are rebelling against islamism is pure hogwash.They are imposing it on their parents & grandparents. I have been traveling frequently & extensively in muslim countries & areas since 1971
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I have to second that. We’ve known many middle-aged Muslim couples – well-educated, very nice , who have said (worried) time and again that their children have been aggressively recruited by Islamic fundamentalists to reject Western education, and replace it with Arabic, Koranic studies, radicalism. There’s a real dicotomy between the generations now. Saudi mosques planted throughout the 1970s and early 80s have not been idle in radicalizing traditionally more placid (mixed animist) Muslim regions across the Sahel and Sub-Saharahan Africa. It’s noticeable. Just look at the strife in Nigeria. It wasn’t that bad before the Saudis showed up.
It might be the reverse in places like Iran where a massive young generation, grown up under the mullahs, is sick of the oppression, but not yet in those countries which have not experienced Islamic total rule. Right now, Islamic rule may be attractive, in that it promises better than the current autocratic, corrupt rule, and quite theoretical- appealing to the idealistic – so no one actually KNOWS what the reality means.
bg commented:
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wanumba #49
true, but they’ve haven’t lived under tyrannical rule..
sad to say, but i think more have been not only been
recruited from free countries, but right here in the
US..
i have to say that while i understand your logic, it seems rather limited,
as it makes little sense on a grand scale, as pro-Freedom & Democracy
advocates would surely be outnumbered by anti-Freedom & Democracy
Islamists in the Middle East & Africa, why would they bother fighting for
FREEDOM & DEMOCRACY if they desire ISLAMISM?? sorry, that does not
compute..
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bg commented:
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oh yeah, besides.. with their brethren freed from their American
Oppressers Puppet Rulers (haven’t heard that since AQ in Iraq)..
they’ll have self rule, hence, would be hard pressed to blame US
for anything..
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Multitude commented:
@wanumba/#41: Remarkably, our perspectives are closer than perhaps either would suspect. A few observations:
> Civilization requires order and security to function. Citizens cannot make decisions – can’t invest, can’t even send their kids to school when rule of law does not exist.
In a sense, this is why some of us in the theory world still study Schmitt and his allies. At a minimum, the fact that so many believe in what you’ve expressed alone creates its inevitability. I would just challenge the presumption that order and security only come from top-down hierarchies decreed by privileged elites.
> NO advancements occur in the chaos of competing ppwer groups when the agreed upon succession of power is disrupted.
This claim is remarkably problematic, as it tends to be a claim associated with imperial societies that are in the process of getting their ass kicked by others they can’t understand. For instance, you claim:
> WHen Rome fell, the barbarians swept across Europe and it took CENTURIES to crawl out of the insuing chaos and fighting, STARVATION and destruction.
Except this is historically incorrect and completely western-centric. Sure, it sucked for Rome and its imperial territory. For the nomadic peoples who invaded, it was an enlightened period of their own. To see them as barbarian, lesser, outsider, etc. is foolish. Taking down the corrupt Rome that raped a continent was considered a great thing by many/most. The great majority of the world’s population curiously didn’t even notice (as if Rome’s fall mattered in China or India, let alone the eastern half of its former empire). But most concerning is the continued assumption that many make of “Imperial form or anarchy/chaos/absence of order” — this is not only remarkably incorrect and rationalizes imperial violence, but ignores the presence of other dangerous forms at work. The progressives and their globalist coalition seeking second revolution are by no means an absence of form, and their need to utilize the positive and productive aspects of “anarchy” are not a negation.
> DO not listen to the snakes who smooth talk “revolution” as ANY legitimate or acceptable form of change of government.
As I’ve explained above, this claim is reactionary and futile. Revolution has already occurred. The progressive movement is well aware that the first revolution is complete in the U.S. and is extending its reach globally. The second revolution is being prepared and as long as most on the right and middle ignore the status and fail to recognize what is at hand, the more certain the second revolution will attain a status acceptable to the left.
bg commented:
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duh.. re:
true, but some haven’t lived under tyrannical rule..
sad to say, but i think more have not only been
recruited from free countries, but right here in
the US..
they were being recruited via AQ et al blaming US for their repressive
dictator countries, no more dictators, no more propaganda against the
US..
sorry, but as numerous as AQ can get, it will still be an extremely
small percentage in comparison to the entire Muslim population..
look at it this way, what other solutions are there??
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bg commented:
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via AJ-E
Egypt: Seeds of change
[Many of the necessary conditions were already in place: public fury at years of political repression, an economy that rewarded a corrupt elite and kept a majority in poverty, and widespread loathing for a leader clinging to office.
Could Egyptians be persuaded to overcome 30
years of fear and apathy and take to the streets?
It is no accident that this question has been answered, emphatically. Over the course of a remarkable fortnight, People & Power has been filming exclusively behind the scenes with a core group of young activists from the April 6th opposition movement.
As Elizabeth Jones reveals, they have spent a long time planning and organising for these momentous days, taking lessons from other revolutions about how to mobilise popular support.]
Women of the revolution
[Political activist Gigi Ibrahim played an instrumental
role in spreading the word about the protests.
"I started [my political activism] by just talking to people [who were] involved [in the labour movement]. Then I became more active and the whole thing became addictive. I went to meetings and took part in protests. I learned very quickly that most of the strikes in the labour movement were started by women.
In my experience women play a pivotal role in all protests and strikes. Whenever violence erupts, the women would step up and fight the police, and they would be beaten just as much as the men.
I have seen it during the Khaled Said protests in June 2010 when many women were beaten and arrested. Muslim, Christian – all types of women protested.]
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bg commented:
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one more thing, i can only speak as to the posts and comments i’ve read in
here, but i’ve seen more imperialistic hatred (or whatever you want to call
it) directed at the freedom & democracy protesters in the ME & Africa than
collectively from them against the US, as a matter of fact i’ve heard ZILCH
of hate directed at US from any of the Freedom & Democracy protesters..
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Bustr commented:
The Obama Doctrine revealed:
“I’m not George W. Bush. Love me.”
money gets votes commented:
IMPEACH HIM NOW!!!! He took an oath to defend the constitution—!!! Look what he did to the OIL Moratorium!! Shut down oil? But give it to the Brazilians???? Shut down our farmers, our coal mines!!! Now he blatantly states he defies the signed law DOMA???!!! He is a tyrant–and spits in the face of America!! Stimulus for the UNIONS!! wow-we have been dumped from all these horrible union thugs—all of them! Get that fake american out and all his reptile gang with him…NIXON was impeach for less!! IMPEACH him!!! IMPEACH Him!! He just openly said screw the constitution and supreme law–he thinks he is a GOD!
kato commented:
Google “Outflanked by France” and “Notable and Quotable” from Saturday’s Wall Street Journal. Our subprime commander-in-chief demonstates yet again that he is an empty-suit blowhard.
Earl P. Holt III commented:
When he’s finally done, this guy will eventually make even the communists in this country long for the good ole days of George Bush.
I’m gonna enjoy watching nigros, marginally-employed “students” and Code Pink types contend with $6/gallon gasoline…
bg commented:
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kato #59
here you go..
On Libya, Obama is missing in action.
And, just as there is something despicable about the way in which Swiss bankers change horses, so there is something contemptible about the way in which Washington has been affecting, and perhaps helping to bring about, American impotence.
as the old saying goes.. Obama is in a pickle.. ergo, i wouldn’t doubt him
advising Mammy Daffy behind the scenes, while condemning him in public.. wouldn’t be the first time Obama has done that, i mean, just look at all the
bus people he’s transported to the WH basement..
OMG, the DC tune has changed so fast it’s giving me whiplash..
Obama et al must be scared to death
Bush will get credit for what Bush did..
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