Gov. Scott Walker to Obama: We’re Focused on Balancing Our Budget. It Would Be Wise for the President to Focus on Balancing His Budget
Posted by Jim Hoft on Friday, February 18, 2011, 6:37 PM
President Obama won’t like this.
He won’t like this one bit.
Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker today told reporters, “I think we’re focused on balancing our budget. It would be wise for the president and others in Washington to focus on balancing their budget.”
True.
Cubachi reported:
While Governor Scott Walker of Wisconsin is doing his job and tackling the debt problem his state has incurred from previous administrations, who avoided the growing problem.
Now Walker has to deal with President Obama, who not only has the DNC and Organizing for America aiding in the protests of these union members, he has to deal with a president who admittedly has no idea what is in the governor’s bill, but calls it an “assault to the unions.”
“Some of what I’ve heard coming out of Wisconsin, where you’re just making it harder for public employees to collectively bargain generally, seems like more of an assault on unions…”
Governor Walker responded to Obama:
“I think we’re focused on balancing our budget. It would be wise for the president and others in Washington to focus on balancing their budget, which they’re a long ways from doing,” Walker told Fox News.
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Missy8s commented:
It would be even more wise for the TERRORIST in chief to butt the hell out!
american patriot commented:
Or to state it in union-ese, “F.U., Obama, and MYOB!”
Granny commented:
Best advice I have ever heard anyone give “president” IWon WTF. The Constitution is exceedingly clear about the internal matters of the states. Obama needs to keep his nose where it belongs.
Oh Noes! commented:
The Won, cannot help hisself, maybe it is time for king Louie and Michelle Marie Antoinette to take another well deserved vacation on tax paying dollars. You know He works so hard ruining this country.
Swifty commented:
A leader always sets the tone for those in the group he leads.
We’ve now had Obama afraid of reducing his spending and running away from fiscal responsibility and debt reduction as witnessed by his farce of a budget for 2012. Those who want to go for fiscal responsibility can’t have an adult conversation on the topic until a real adult is available. Obama is not that one.
And the Democrats in Wisconsin are also running away like scared little girls when confronted with addressing deficit reform. They take their direction and cues from the White House.
JerryFine commented:
God Bless Governor Walker and everyone like him. Perhaps this and the spreading union protests (Violence) across America will wake folks up enough to see what a complete piece of Chicago pigeon crap we have in the White House…
Try doing your own job Odumbo and stay out of State business…
Your Unions will eventually be beaten and swept into the dustbin of history. Hopefully, you too in 2012!
Redwine commented:
Please sign this petition in support of Gov. Walker: http://americansforprosperity.org/walker/
Daniel commented:
The POTUS keeps acting stupidly.
BetterD3adthanR3d commented:
As long as the states stand firm I think you will see Sotero rile up his base more. It will probably back fire and cause a huge backlash not only against Dems and unions but against the federal Govt overall. I’m surprised a state hasn’t left the Union yet, I think here in Arizona were getting close and just waiting for Texas to do it.
This usurper has been the most divisive politician in probably all of American history. His legacy is going to be two fold, 1. causing a majority to return to the founders values due to his negativity and 2. a broke and busted America that will take generations to repair.
notagain commented:
It was in Madison and Milwaukee that Michelle spoke of how proud she finally was of being an American.
I can say for the first time in eight years….I’m proud of my Wisconsin Governor.
StrangernFiction commented:
“I think we’re focused on balancing our budget. It would be wise for the president and others in Washington to focus on balancing their budget.”
Unfortunately there are a whole lot of R’s among the others, as today clearly showed.
Khan Krum commented:
Interesting that you mention Michelle Antoinette since this is the “let ‘em eat cake” moment for the Post-National Socialists and their Fuhrer. This will be a watershed moment.
Ginger commented:
Every time I hear the fraud called “president Obama” I have to grab my barf bag! He is NOT the president! He is a KENYAN FRAUD! His legal name is Barry Soetoro! The misuse of his name and the SSI# he is using that belongs to some one else shows him for the fraud he is!That Botox BITCH needs to be held accountable for what she has done to our country. May she and he and others burn in HELL!
gru57 commented:
This action by our “president”, his DNC and union thugs combined HAS awoken that sleeping giant formerly known as America. This will not end well for the aforementioned.
Budget Emergency??? commented:
Ok, so the actual budget shortfall is projected to be $137 million in WI, compared to the ~$600 million that it has been every year for over a decade. This is under both republican and dem governors.
SO… what we actually have is a MANUFACTURED EMERGENCY where Walker is trying to justify a POWER GRAB and cripple the teacher’s union, and says that the consequence of them not complying is massive layoffs.
Doesn’t really pass the smell test to me.
For the record I think that public employees should have to pay into their pensions if they’re going to be able to retire at 55 and bring in $60,000/year. That’s fair. That does need reworking, but not their rights to bargain as a union. Those of you who work non-union in the private sector should recognize that if it weren’t for the unions, you probably wouldn’t have the compensation that you do right now.
BTW the local police and state trooper unions are not in danger… and they happened to support him last election… a coincidence, probably.
Contessa61 commented:
Go Scott!!!!
Since 2000, employment has grown by 2% in right-to-work states; declined by 4% in unionized states: http://bit.ly/fqT3uk
Contessa61 commented:
BTW the local police and state trooper unions are not in danger… and they happened to support him last election… a coincidence, probably.
????
did you listen to Walker? Of the 314 police/fire fighters unions, only 4 supported Walker.
Militant Conservative commented:
oh lawdy lawdy, the peoples they is a leavn me. I mus regan thes trust.
Hows bout I bow to a dictatr n kiss a baby.
mebe evun say sum slic wrds. sarc off
Save it skippy, your a pathetic loser intent on killing America.
We’ll oppose you at every turn.
powder is dry TPM is near.
Militant Conservative commented:
#16 February 18, 2011 at 7:15 pm
Budget Emergency??? commented:
Your assumption has been accepted.
Your in Texas (right to work state) your an illegal , you are on the corner waiting to get a construction job. Your a skilled laborer with bobcat and framing experiance.
You going to be paid less or market rate?? I bet the market being screwed up by Obama has hurt you more than the illegal status. Market rate for operators superceededs union availability. Gee, kinda makes you the dinosaur and the illegal the more profitable choice. So whay are you not FOR immigration reform??
Your a dinosaur, unions are not needed, Government has seen to the fair treatment of workers. you sir are not needed and are part of the problem.
Skill is worth the market rate. todays kids are making my skills worth a mint for the young terds won’t work. I will. I’m experianced, confident and reliable. Gee most things a union member is not.
powder is dry.
serfer1962 commented:
C61…it isn’t the police unions that count its the police. All union leaders are Kommiecrat. And thats the problem
1) Why is it mandatory to pay union dues?
2) Why does the state deduct those dues?
3) Why is it mandatory to be in a union?
4) Who control the political action disbursements?
Huhhhhhh
B. Hussein Obama, Citizen and Christian, Really I am not lying this time commented:
Balanced budget? I’m sorry, that doesn’t ring a bell.
Ronald Ward commented:
The Union has made concessions and are willing to make more. Anyone of reasonable intellect that can allow their brain to rise above the smokescreen of “we’re focused on balancing the budget, it would be wise for the president to….” understands that the budget isn’t the focus at all. That, along with a long list of other GOP misleading statements, is simply another lie they invented in order to promote their corporate pandering agenda. The intent is to start the ball rolling of dismantling workers rights to bargain, not only in Wisconsin.
Perhaps many here believe that workers aren’t entitled to such rights and while I disagree with that thought process, I respect your right to that opinion. Selling yourself out with blatant lies doesn’t give credence to your argument. This is what the GOP has become. As your House leader recently said, “so be it”.
logic101 commented:
#11 notagain…I live in Madison and you’re right – we have a terrific governor… he’s like Aaron Rodgers without the Packers jersey! I trust him to stay strong in the face of an horrendous barrage from every lowlife leftist that can find his way onto a bus and get dumped into our town.
And now we have Jim Hoft coming into town tomorrow to help us out!!
Dale commented:
Gov Walker is FANTASTIC!!! Well said!!
squeaky commented:
earlier, someone posted the yearly salary of a few union heads. rather enlightening given the current fiinancial climate. when your private sector employer runs into financial trouble he pulls up the sidewalk and closes shop. not so with the state/feds. someone should let their fingers do the walking through union books – maybe.
http://www.businessinsider.com/head-of-nj-teachers-union-got-paid-over-twice-as-much-as-the-governor-2010-9
lethargic commented:
Woot! Walker!!!
StrangernFiction commented:
I hope you are going to do a post on this Jim. I would recommend including young guns in the title. Young guns? What a fricking joke.
StrangernFiction commented:
Sorry, here’s the right link:
http://hotair.com/archives/2011/02/18/crumble-gop-effort-to-cut-100-billion-fails-thanks-to-massive-republican-defections/
StrangernFiction commented:
They couldn’t cut $83 billion. The “stimulus” was $789 billion. Absolutely pathetic!
davemcd commented:
Ronald, with respect:
My employer sets the rules. recently, my this employer sent out an email informing me that those under a certain age would see a reduction in their healthcare benefits upon their retirement. Those above a certain age would retain all their existing benefits. Now, I missed that cutoff by 29 days. My employer did not consult with me on this, or with any other employee in my corporation. Now for me, this sucks, and here are my options: I can throw a fit and trash the place, and rightfully be fired; I can run to Iowa or Missouri and pretend that this never happened, and get fired; I can seek other employment, and hope that the benefits and pay are equal or better than I have now; or I can suck it up and accept the new realities of doing business. For all government employees, there is a new reality coming. States are broke. People are broke, and no longer will pay in taxes to others what they cannot even afford for their own families. You want to work for the government, and be in a union, that is your right. It is not your right to ask me to continue funding it.
49erDweet commented:
Ronald Ward. You are misstating it a bit. Any worker in private industry is free to join a union. But this move to bar public collective bargaining is because too many [but not all] public employees around the country betrayed their trust during these dire times and bowed their necks on accepting pay cuts to adjust to the diminished COLA.
I served as a public servant at a time when we were always 15 to 20 percent behind the private marketplace. I have no problem in believing that is still a good place for state workers to be, taking everything else into consideration. Sorry. That’s not what you want to hear, but times are tough. Learn to make do. Or quit and go to work elsewhere.
jennifer commented:
Gov. Walker is a leader, doing what he has to do to bring Wisconsin back from the brink,
Pres. Obama is doing what he can to take this country over the brink.
Slappy commented:
Ronald Ward (#24): “Anyone of reasonable intellect that can allow their brain to rise above the smokescreen of “we’re focused on balancing the budget, it would be wise for the president to….” understands that the budget isn’t the focus at all.”
Actually, Ron, anyone of reasonable intellect would realize that taking on the Unions AND balancing the budget are not mutually exclusive goals. Or is balancing the budget at the local, state, or national level only supposed to occur without any cuts that negatively impact any unionized industry or profession? Just think how asinine of an argument that is, especially considering how many government employees are Union members.
Of course, you, with your “reasonable intellect,” is attempting to affix only a negative motivation to members of the political opposition — a view that is solely meant to attack and demean them as having only selfish, cynical intentions. After all, you’ve decided that their position is based solely on “their corporate pandering agenda” and absolutely nothing else, forgetting that many conservatives without any need or desire to pander to anyone, including corporations, are supporting Gov. Walker’s efforts in Wisconsin because it is right for the short- and long-term fiscal health of the state.
I guess, like you’ve done, it’s easy to simply say the other side is ONLY acting on bad intentions instead of you actually dealing with the specific content of their argument, isn’t it? The irony is how you actually wrote the following about the GOP: “Selling yourself out with blatant lies doesn’t give credence to your argument.” Talk about a blatant use of projection on your part.
How about this Walker? commented:
Rewrite the bill to suspend the collective bargaining rights until the next fiscal year. Make the cuts that you have to to bring the public sector more in line with the private sector with regards to pension and health care contribution.
I don’t think there will be too much opposition.
Why he refuses to budge on the collective bargaining issue is beyond me… or maybe he just has different motives other than balancing the budget as we see in all the spin from him, his cronies, Fox News, neo-conservative talk shows and websites, etc.
davemcd commented:
What happens when if the unions continue to get their way, we continue going into debt, and one day it just all bursts? Here in Illinois, we are so close that you can smell the sulphur. When that day comes, the union workers will lose all of their benefits; the senior citizens, the poor and indigent; all will lose, because there will be no more money to pass out. We will all suffer.
Obama and the 111th have been drilling holes in the canoe for two years. We are in water up to the gunnels, and are about to capsize. His solution is, “ok, We’ll stop drilling big holes, we’ll only drill small ones.” The House Republicans at least are proposing we bail the boat out, to attempt to keep the ship upright. I only wish they could use a bigger pail. The Wisconsin governor and legislature are doing the same thing. Trying to save their people.
We all have to have “skin in the game” Unions included.
tommy mc donnell commented:
all of you people who want to get rid of public sector unions are making a big mistake. you will be creating a return to the spoils system. the civil service merit system has been completely destroyed by affirmative action. if you leave control of these jobs to the politicans there will be no insentive to do a good job. if you think the politicans and the politically appointed people who are in charge of these various departments care one iota about employees doing a good job think again. what you are going to get is employees who get rewarded for working in political campaigns, who purchase tickets to political events or phoney fund raising events like the politicans birthday parties or picnics or christmas parties. i know this is true because i saw it for twenty-five years that i worked as a fireman in a mid-sized city. the only reward you got for doing a good job was the acknowledgement of your peers. the only time the politicans cared about what kind of job you did was if the could take credit for it. as least the union saw to it that we ALL(not just the political prat boys) got the same benefits. so think about it before you are willing to hand complete control of these jobs to the politicans. i understand that the present financial situation cannot continue. union workers have to understand that there must be some changes or they will not have ANY benefits in the future. but please don’t do what the politicans want and completely return the to spoils system of the pre-civil service era.
Scott Brooks commented:
So it would seem that Walker follows Janice Brewer, Governor of Arizona on the growing list of state governors who do not appreciate Barack Obama. Let’s see…that’s 2 out of 57. Just 55 more enemies for Obama to make.
davemcd commented:
Tommy, how is that not happening now? If I were a betting man, I would say that SEIU is predominantly a Democratic-leaning organization, and they are exempted from Obamacare. Are you saying that they aren’t “rewarded for their votes today? No, Tommy, the spoils system is alive and well.
gus commented:
How about you LIBTARDS STFU and get in the back seat. We’re driving.
I’ve been a personal friend of Scott Walkers since my teen years. I told him at a Brewers game 8 years ago, that he would be the Governor by 50. He is. You LIBTARDS. We WON.
Sound familiar you blubbering imbeciles???
Slappy commented:
How about this Walker? (#36): “Why he refuses to budge on the collective bargaining issue is beyond me… or maybe he just has different motives other than balancing the budget as we see in all the spin from him, his cronies, Fox News, neo-conservative talk shows and websites, etc.”
Probably because “the collective bargaining issue” has serious implications for future government costs and budgets. As for your last sentence, it’s so childishly superficial and filled with the normal Left-wing talking points that it’s almost as if you’re trying to parody a liberal commenter.
It’s my view that it’s this type of “debate” that you’re attempting to engage in — which is built on identity politics and political talking points instead of on genuine responses based on facts and critical thinking — that is at the root of most of our problems. Jeez, does every debate have to focus on the motivations, real or imagined, of politicians’ decisions, as well as those impacting those motivations, in place of debating the soundness of the decisions and the actual expected results from those decisions? Also, why don’t you explain how government costs can be cut if public sector Unions are exempt from some of the same types of vagaries and financial restrictions that non-unionized private sector employees face on a regular basis?
silentcal_rox commented:
Defeat Communism in America . . . . Impeach Obumma!!!
Truck Driver Divorce commented:
The Middle East is burning.
Our economy is in shambles.
Gas, food, clothing prices are rising rapidly.
Our foreign policy is in tatters.
Obama’s Democrat Party is wrecked.
And what does Obama do? Ignores all of the above to mobilize and agitate against his own governors.
tommy mc donnell commented:
#40 the union leaders are democratic politicans. SEIU was led by andy stern a marxist. the unions leaders don’t care about this country or their own members. all they care about is the democratic party. if you do away with municipal unions you will destroy every employees’ insentive to do a good job. politicans do not operate with the profit motive like businessmen who have an insentive to reward good work. politicans reward political cronyism like the example you cited. if you give the politicans what they want the level of municipal services will suffer greatly and that will affect every person in the united states.
gus commented:
Tommy. Marxists are a Cancer. Unions are Marxists are cancer. Kill the Cancer. Radiate it.
Hmm commented:
Makes me wonder about all the people in here that seem to resort to name calling when they’re backed into an intellectual corner.
#42, if the only demand made by the AWOL dems and 40,000 teachers and students flooding the capital is that the attack on the unions be left out of the “budget repair bill” you would think that democracy would prevail and there would be a compromise.
If the majority of people in WI want to see the unions’ power attacked, why don’t we put that part of the bill up to a public referendum vote?
Deanna commented:
Collective bagaining for public servants, paricularly teachers is one of the worst ideas ever. All it does is prevent skilled and effective teachers from being compensated for their abilities. Rather it promotes a mediocre performance and rewards longevity where longevity is given not earned. It is the only profession that cannot be sued, is guaranteed a job for life, and yet asks for more. Yet these are the people we intrust with our children’s education. The only teachers who should fear this are the poorly qualified and poorly skilled.
As for unions in general, they have only themselved to blame for the public’s disdain. As someone who worked in the administration of the UAW I have seen the so-called job banks, the stewards sitting and playing cards, the use of dues for things the worker would be appalled at, the disregard for the consequences of their actions, the 16 paid holidays, the conversations of the union bosses and what they really thought of their members. And how many people think paying $1200 per car to pay for UAW “cadillac” health care is reasonable? I have heard the true stories of carpenters, electricians, etc. paying for their journeymen’s cards rather than earning them through training and labor. I have seen workers intimidated into voting. So no more pleas for the need for unions until they clean their own houses.
Hmm commented:
#42, if you watch any of the conservative shows on TV on any of the WI issues now, you’ll see on the banner on the bottom has wording about a “budget repair bill” or “budget crisis”.
That seems like Spin 101 to me, so I’m sorry for that statement sounding “childishly superficial”.
gus commented:
Hmm? Why don’t we let our elected REPS make the laws? K?
gus commented:
Hmm. We are 3.6 billion in the hole here in Wisconsin. You should try to get a private sector job and see how it works.
Ricky Vines commented:
Obama thought he is the boss in every state because he’s president. He doesn’t care about the States rights afforded in the Constitution as it is an outdated document – in his mind and he might even be violating it’s requirements for the presidential qualifications.
Alana commented:
That’s a pretty good way of putting it, what Walker said.
Hmm commented:
If Wisconsin’s presumed teacher entitlement crisis is ruining kids’ education then why is WI ranked second in the nation for composite ACT/SAT scores? Also, why is the HS graduation rate the highest in the midwest at 89.6%? It’s not the kids that are getting screwed by big benefits for old teachers, it’s taxpayers if anyone.
Wisconsin is a great state to go to public school. MPS has it’s problems, but those problems have more to do with community/family than they do with the quality of the teachers. I know many people that have come out of those schools (the worst district in the state) that got a quality education and are doing well in college right now.
gus commented:
Hmm, do you have a straw man rammed up your a$$?
Joanne commented:
Governor Walker has the brains to know that when there is no money, there is no money.
Auntie Em commented:
Can anyone tell me one true and smart thing Pownedbama has said while in the Peoples’ Office?
He’s so not worth our time and effort; it’s the people behind the curtain we have to laser in on.
Oops, did I say laser? Im sure I’ll be hearing from Sister Napalitano and Brother Holder shortly.
davemcd commented:
Tommy,
Thanks for the reply. I’m failing to see the incentive they have to do a good job now, whether they are unionized or not, except in the union they probably won’t be fired. I will grant you that they should have the ability to keep their jobs regardless of which political party is in charge, but I will not grant that they have the power to say, “give me a raise, and tax more to make it happen”. They are being asked to pay a mere 5% for the benefits they receive, and they are acting like spoiled children. They have two options: Accept it, or seek other employment. With unemployment as high as it is, there are plenty of qualified people to fill their positions.
mg4us commented:
Oh the truth hurts. . .ouch! O-buma!
gus commented:
Hmm. Dimwits like you are easy.
1) This is PUBLIC EMPLOYEES not TEACHERS.
2) The BILL requires them to pay 5 percent of their pensions and 12 percent of their health care.
3) We here in Wisconsin have a 3.6 Billion dollar deficit.
4) The bill had 17 hours of testimony over 3 days.
5) The bill was called for a vote and you pathetic LIBTARDS ran away.
6) After you fukk yourself, could you grow a pair of balls???
Deanna commented:
#54 ” It’s not the kids that are getting screwed by big benefits for old teachers, it’s taxpayers if anyone. ”
Well no and yes. I know plenty of teachers in many states who are compensated higher simply because they have tenure. How many of them are “good” teachers? None. Some have no business teaching at all. But perhaps Wisconsin is immune from this situation. Why shouldn’t teachers be paid according to their job performance? Why should they fear it? And yes, the tax payers are being “screwed.”
Have a good night.
Hmm commented:
gus, I’m confused, are you opposed to public referendums?
Also, I’ve had several private sector jobs (not careers, I’m still in school) as well as a public sector job, do you want to guess which ones I’ve made more money from? And what exactly is “it” that I have to “see how it works”.
The unions didn’t cause the budget crisis, so they shouldn’t be viciously attacked for them.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2011/02/unions_arent_to_blame_for_wisc.html
Slappy commented:
Hmm (#47): “#42, if the only demand made by the AWOL dems and 40,000 teachers and students flooding the capital is that the attack on the unions be left out of the “budget repair bill” you would think that democracy would prevail and there would be a compromise.”
Maybe that is what will happen eventually, but many of us that opposed ObamaCare thought the same thing would happen with that bill and it didn’t, did it?
One minor correction to your comment: many of those students in attendance are there because there’s no school and they were asked by their teachers to attend. Based on the interviews of students I’ve seen on TV and online, many of them have no idea of the issues that they’re supposedly “protesting.” Yet, we see you toss out the tacit accusation that Gov. Walker doesn’t really believe what he’s doing, he’s just going along with Fox News and various GOP constituents, while you cast the students as some sort of principled opponents to Gov. Walker’s views. Puh-lease.
Hmm (#47): “If the majority of people in WI want to see the unions’ power attacked, why don’t we put that part of the bill up to a public referendum vote?”
I am fine with that, though I don’t know Wisconsin state law in regards to the use of public referendums. Nonetheless, one can’t separate the power of unions and budget issues due to the former having such a significant impact on the latter.
befuddled commented:
#24 February 18, 2011 at 7:38 pm
Ronald Ward commented:
“The Union has made concessions and are willing to make more. ”
seriously, your union is fighting over having to contribute 12% to their health care costs!how many on unemployment wouldn’t mind paying 12%?
until you union goons are forced into obama care like the public, then we will talk.
speaking of facts:
# Spent $8 billion from 2001 to 2010 on state employee health care coverage, while those employees contributed $398 million.
# Spent about $12.6 billion on public employee pensions while the employees contributed $55.4 million.
Read more: http://www.postcrescent.com/article/20110215/APC0101/102150419/Wisconsin-fight-over-union-power-trickles-down-to-city-level-in-Appleton#ixzz1EN7McGFi
doesn’t seem like the unions are running to the bargaining table. more likely, they have been taking money under the table for a long time. now the people that they have elected have outspent us into oblivion, the unions are banding together, as they always do, and crying foul when they are forced to pay a little into fixing this colossal mess. perhaps more union dues steered into paying for your golden parachutes than the 40 million spent on the 2010 democrat campaigns would have been a better investment.(wonder how much union dues is going to obama in 2012, i hear he is going to raise 1 billion dollars.)
Slappy commented:
Hmm (#49): “#42, if you watch any of the conservative shows on TV on any of the WI issues now, you’ll see on the banner on the bottom has wording about a “budget repair bill” or “budget crisis”.”
Who cares? I don’t watch any of those shows and whether they have that wording on the bottom of the screen or not, it doesn’t change the substance of the debate. Why some, like you, are so concerned about ancillary issues like how a debate is being framed in the media instead of the substance of the debate is beyond me.
Hmm (#49): “That seems like Spin 101 to me, so I’m sorry for that statement sounding “childishly superficial”.”
That’s your prerogative but trying to invalidate one’s argument because of who else is in agreement with their argument and/or promoting their argument IS “childishly superficial.” I know political consultants need to worry about how a politician’s point of view is playing with their constituents but I don’t see why we need to spend time focusing on these types of issues instead of the substantive issues of a serious debate like getting government spending back under control. I don’t watch cable news stations for this exact reason. I find much of the content “childishly superficial,” whether on Fox News or MSNBC.
BTW, how about you use only one user name on the site so we know if we’re talking to the same person or not. Based on your response to me, it seems like you were How about this Walker? but now are Hmm.
gus commented:
Hmm. Yes you are confused. I don’t play strawman with idiots like you. You can try that with your goonion pals son.
Viciously attacked? Get a fukking clue douche bag.
gus commented:
Slappy, you must not be in favor of referendums too!!!
Hmm commented:
gus commented:
Hmm. Dimwits like you are easy.
1) This is PUBLIC EMPLOYEES not TEACHERS.
I assumed we were all on the same page assuming that teachers referred to in a conversation on this page would be public teachers.
2) The BILL requires them to pay 5 percent of their pensions and 12 percent of their health care.
The Bill requires them to redirect 5% of their INCOME towards their pensions… effectively paying for over 50% of it.
3) We here in Wisconsin have a 3.6 Billion dollar deficit.
The 3.3 bil projected deficit is not set in stone, and that number is regarding structural deficit until the end of FY 2013. This bill will take the exact same huge chunk out of that deficit, regardless of whether it takes collective bargaining rights away from employees.
4) The bill had 17 hours of testimony over 3 days.
And no changes to the wording. No compromises were made.
5) The bill was called for a vote and you pathetic LIBTARDS ran away.
See above.
6) After you fukk yourself, could you grow a pair of balls???
I commend all of you on your obvious intelligence and civility. My respect for conservatives is growing by the minute.
gus commented:
Read my comments again dimwit Hmm. You missed the part about fukking yourself.
Hmm commented:
gus, I have a feeling that you are currently embarrassing the folks on here who are actually trying to debate intelligently.
gus commented:
I like compromises!! Like the PORKULUS BILL.
gus commented:
Hmm. Typical LIBTARD tripe. I don’t play by your rules sh!thead.
mg4us commented:
Gov. Walker, while you are at it, pass a law that to be on the ballot in Wisconsin for President of the US, a candidate must meet the constitutional requirements an need to show an official birth certificate. That would be a wonderful gift to give O-buma for the 2012 elections!!!!
gus commented:
Debating intelligently?? Like the PORKULUS CONFERENCE COMMITTEE?
Like the GOONIONS THUGS?
Like the Wisconsin Senate Democrats in Rockford?
Hmm. You are a classic LIBTARD dimwit. You aren’t 2 watts bright.
Deanna commented:
#63 February 18, 2011 at 9:50 pm
Hmm commented:
“Also, I’ve had several private sector jobs (not careers, I’m still in school”
Well that explains alot. LOL
Hmm commented:
gus, it’s OK to not be as angry as you were before with your misunderstandings, it’s OK to admit that maybe you didn’t know all the facts.
gus commented:
Is Paper boy a private sector job or is it a career??
Hmm commented:
Yes, Deanna, I admit that I know absolutely nothing, and have no right trying to debate anyone on an issue based on factual information, you have to be alive for at least 30 years and stuck in a dead end career to do that I suppose.
Valerie commented:
HOW DARE THIS PRESIDENT COMMENT ON THE CONTENT OF A BILL, WHEN HE DOESN’T KNOW WHAT’S IN IT?????????
************
Sorry, I just had to yell. The next step, is to ask him, “Have you no shame, sir?”
Slappy commented:
Hmm (#69): “I commend all of you on your obvious intelligence and civility. My respect for conservatives is growing by the minute.”
Nice smarmy response. Yet, your very first comment in this thread was a statement meant to demean our views as being “spin” and not truly believed. You didn’t exactly come in intending on engaging in an honest debate with conservatives here, did you?
Then, you have a problem with the comment by one commenter so you resort to a blanket insult against all conservatives. Once again, “childishly superficial” behavior on your part that adds nothing of value to the debate. Perhaps you should engage in a little introspection before you continue to toss out these types of responses.
Slappy commented:
Hmm (#71): “gus, I have a feeling that you are currently embarrassing the folks on here who are actually trying to debate intelligently.”
Really? It seems to me in #69 you responded to one person’s insult by posting a sarcastic comment implying that conservatives’ lacked “intelligence and civility” but now you’re trying to claim some of us “are actually trying to debate intelligently.” So, which is it?
Hmm commented:
Sorry SLappy, you seem like the exception to the norm in here. Just sayin…
gus commented:
Hmm. You still don’t get it. I don’t play by your emotionally disturbed LIBTARD rules. You don’t win by stomping your feet and claiming some victory. Now hop on the short bus and run away boy.
C-Christian Soldier commented:
GOOD ON GOV. Walker!!
as to the teahcers :
as a former FT union rep turned conservative-I say- get rid of the unions –
they have out-lived their original purpose-
Ex:
Detroit was ‘killed’ by the unions – and is still being demolished by corruption and power hungry minions…
The teachers who left their classrooms should be fired-
as to the dem (LCOP) legislators-they should be ‘fired’ too–what process is necessary to do that?
C-CS
lower case on purpose LCOP @ C-CS
gus commented:
How nice, the boytard is trying to suck up to Slappy. Like I said earlier. Typical LIBTARD tripe.
But we’ve all seen HMM by some many other names.
Watch the little sissy libtard take the bait!!
Hmm commented:
I guess I should reword my statement that I am losing my respect for “most” conservatives. At least what is generally considered an American conservative at this moment (family values, America uber alles, neo-con boot up your ass Middle-East bombing type…).
How many so called conservatives in here want to dramatically reduce military spending?
Rand Paul: “Unless you accept the principle that military spending will have to be cut, they don’t have enough money to cut. They can cut all of the non-military discretionary spending and not balance the budget.”
I don’t want to go off topic here, but I’m not saying classical conservative philosophy is totally baseless, just that most people don’t actually know what values of conservativism really are.
dlsada commented:
“They bring a knife to a fight, we bring a gun.”
“Get in their face”
So sayeth BHO. So ordered.
gus commented:
HMMTARD SAID: don’t want to go off topic here, but I’m not saying classical conservative philosophy is totally baseless, just that most people don’t actually know what values of conservativism really are.
You are correct little man, you don’t know what you are babbling about. Go back to school and listen to your LIBTARD teachers. You do that well son.
Hmm commented:
BTW Rand Paul is a conservative libertarian
gus commented:
Yes, Obama wants to “punish” his enemies. So civil.
Pelosi calls us Nazi’s. So nice and sweet.
Hmm is retarded. It’s that simple.
Hmm commented:
gus, it’s hard to tell if my teachers are libtards when most of them are nerds from Asia who teach technical classes.
Deanna commented:
79 February 18, 2011 at 10:16 pm Hmm commented:
“Yes, Deanna, I admit that I know absolutely nothing, and have no right trying to debate anyone on an issue based on factual information, you have to be alive for at least 30 years and stuck in a dead end career to do that I suppose.”
Well that was obvious since you aree slective in your replies and don’t read all the comments. You have not explained why collective bargaining is a good idea. You haven’t explained why teachers should be able to utlilize it. You haven’t explained anything really. You only spout talking points, and that may be because of your lack of experience in the work force and with unions. Youth always thinks experience is unimportant, that is your biggest mistake. And no, I was/am not stuck in a “dead end career,” I’ve actually had several satisfying, challenging, and sometimes lucrative careers.
gus commented:
No, Deanna, when Hmmtard is shown truth and facts, he tries to spin the facts and is obviously a moron. The STATE is asking for 5 percent payment for PENSION. 12 percent for health care.
That is EXACTLY what the objection is.
Slappy commented:
Hmm (#79): “Yes, Deanna, I admit that I know absolutely nothing, and have no right trying to debate anyone on an issue based on factual information, you have to be alive for at least 30 years and stuck in a dead end career to do that I suppose.”
Your world view is filled with a series of dichotomies. I always hear from liberal acquaintances (and those I come across online) that they look at the gray area of issues, while conservatives are the ones that only have a dichotomous (black and white) view of issues. How about we dispel that claim right now and agree that everyone, whether liberal or conservative, tend to look at certain issues in a dichotomous nature (i.e., in black and white) and other issues in more depth due to their complexity (i.e., in gray).
BTW, your sarcasm in response to Deanna doesn’t change the fact that many of us that have a different opinion on this issue may be over the age of 30 but are certainly not stuck in a dead-end career. After all, some of us (no names) may actually have 15 years of business experience and now have the responsibility of teaching college students, like yourself, at a large university. Imagine that?
gus commented:
Slappy. Hmmtard is a typical lib. He believes his ideology, because it seems so much superior to the mundane truth of supply and demand, cause and effect, or basic economic principles.
Libtards THINK they are morally and intellectually superior. That THOUGHT is based on THEIR OPINION of themselves. They NEVER live what they claim to believe. Ever.
Deanna commented:
#94 February 18, 2011 at 10:34 pm
gus commented:
“when Hmmtard is shown truth and facts, he tries to spin the facts and is obviously a moron.”
Oh he/she is not a moron, just young and inexperienced. I’ll leave you to the debate. I have to go to my ‘non-union’ job early tomorrow. Have a good night.
Hmm commented:
Deanna, I think that collective bargaining has been central in developing and preserving good working conditions and fair pay across the globe. Whether or not collective bargaining in some areas is outdated and should be basically done away with in the public sector is a much bigger issue than a budget bill that effects a couple fiscal years. There are 40,000 people in the capitol for this reason. I find it strange that you will find time to demean me on inexperience, yet do nothing to help out the factually under-informed in here.
Again, the issue of public sector unions is much too big of an area to have them crippled by a measure tacked on to a budget bill, IMO.
Hmm commented:
For those who need a quick refresher on the basic facts of the bill:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/18/us-wisconsin-proposal-idUSTRE71H6I020110218
Randy commented:
Turmoil is coming. Violence will be in the streets. The right is winning and the left can’t take it. They can’t win with ideas, so they take to the streets. It’s gonna get ugly. I give it two weeks. I hope you are all prepared.
gus commented:
Randy. I have been saying that…….on this blog…..for a couple months at least. Greece, France, Germany, Spain etc.
No MONEY does not sit well with Marxists who want YOUR MONEY.
Hmm commented:
Slappy, contrary to what some on here might want to label me as, I do respect people with real world experience. I don’t respect people who don’t take the time to find out the facts of the situation.
gus commented:
Hmm. You like MOST LIBTARDS, think those who disagree with your version of the “facts” are not aware of the “facts”. The Kenyan Dimwit must have e-mailed you that moronic talking point.
You are hilarious.
LimoLibsStink commented:
0bama:
I have never had an honest job! I don’t need a budget nor do I know how to balance one! I just spend other people’s money until they go bankrupt… or I find more saps to swindle.
My Limousine is running and Bus loads of young male students will be brought in for the show. Barney Frank will be giving free wedgies to all of the 16 and under guys who participate. That should buck up the unions and make their backbones slide. Good day.
gus commented:
Limo??? HMMTARD respects Opie Von Dimbulb for his REAL WORLD EXPERIENCE.
Hmm commented:
gus, i think you did actually hit on a bit of wisdom in your brain dump in #96, libtards do typically think that they are morally superior because many of them don’t base their morals ABSOLUTELY on rules written by men claiming to be inspired by a diety. They typically believe that people should be treated well, and not be unnecessarily victimized by businessmen who like to exploit the “truth” of supply and demand, cause and effect, or basic economic principles for maximum profit with disregard to human suffering.
gus commented:
Hmmtard. Your post #106 is beyond retarded. Save that tripe. Read it when you grow up.
Slappy commented:
Hmm (#87): “I guess I should reword my statement that I am losing my respect for “most” conservatives. At least what is generally considered an American conservative at this moment (family values, America uber alles, neo-con boot up your ass Middle-East bombing type…).”
Once again, your biased, simplistic view of conservatives comes to the forefront. I don’t see how any of those general characteristics are something for which you should be losing respect for conservatives, though your attempt to portray all of those generalized characteristics without any context as bad is absurd. It’s not like there aren’t limits for conservatives regarding each of those issues.
Based on your characterization of conservatives, how would you feel if someone wrote the following about liberals?
“At least what is generally considered an American liberal at this moment (gay marriage, America needs to cede its leadership role in the world to China, America should only engage in military actions after being attacked directly on our soil and with UN approval).”
See, both political ideologies can sound misguided and simplistic when one posts generalizations of their views or characterizations without any context. After all, don’t most prominent liberals try to portray themselves as for “family values” and willing to use military force, like most supported in Afghanistan back in 2001 (and many originally supported in Iraq in 2003), when necessary? You can try to break down conservatism to cliches and simplistic views but the reality is that our views are much more complex and based on specific contexts than you and your liberal brethren would like to believe.
Hmm (#87): “How many so called conservatives in here want to dramatically reduce military spending?”
It depends what is specifically being reduced, but dramatically reducing military spending right now doesn’t seem to make much sense considering that we have hundreds of thousands of troops in Iraq and Afghanistan and the unrest that is taking place in the Middle East (e.g., Egypt). Nonetheless, your desire to make this, once again, a dichotomous issue ignores the complexity of the issue of military spending. After all, you do realize that reducing our military forces and spending will mean that those who would’ve been serving in the military will now need jobs and those contractors that serve as suppliers for the military will see their businesses hit (and perhaps have to shrink their workforce), too. As I’ve written several times, it isn’t an issue that you can properly address with a simple “Yes” or “No” answer, as reduced military spending has significant implications beyond just military spending.
Hmm commented:
So you don’t agree that’s a fair and basic description of the typical libtard?
Hmm commented:
Slappy, if I were to paint with a modestly narrower brush than Mr. Gus, I think that the perception of a typical American conservative among independents and liberals (and many true conservatives) entails family values, America uber alles, neo-con boot up your ass Middle-East bombing type…
Hmm commented:
And I would agree with your broad brush description of typical American liberals as well.
Hmm commented:
Except that ceding a leadership role to China isn’t really a voluntary thing, it’s more of an economic reality.
gus commented:
Slappy. HmmTARD cares about people. Our military doesn’t. Remember how much the Soviet Union, Red China, Cambodia, Viet Nam and Cuba “cared about people”.
Remember how they had no economy, because capitalism wasn’t allowed.
No country in HISTORY has ever been able or willing to help others without having the PROFIT MOTIVE and some form of Capitalism as the ENGINE to produce, employ and create a bigger economy so as to provide for others.
NONE.
Hmm is a fukking clown. A juvenile LIBTARD who wants to spend your money and strangle the EVIL GOLDEN GOOSE.
He has zero idea what he is talking about.
AGAIN…NONE.
Hmm commented:
and I asked “want to reduce military spending” or involvement in other countries, not saying anything with regards to the extent that would be feasible.
Slappy commented:
Hmm (#106): “gus, i think you did actually hit on a bit of wisdom in your brain dump in #96, libtards do typically think that they are morally superior because many of them don’t base their morals ABSOLUTELY on rules written by men claiming to be inspired by a diety. They typically believe that people should be treated well, and not be unnecessarily victimized by businessmen who like to exploit the “truth” of supply and demand, cause and effect, or basic economic principles for maximum profit with disregard to human suffering.
Oh, boy. To think that liberals operate solely with such empathy while conservatives don’t is laughably obtuse. I worked for and with various liberal business owners and employees over the years whom acted in the same exact manner that you’re attributing only to conservatives. The same is true of various members of academia, the vast majority of whom are liberals. You really need to get beyond this fantasy world that you’ve created in which one side is good (liberals) and the other is bad (conservatives). This type of false dichotomy is not accurate nor is it helpful to our democracy. This is why earlier in this thread I wrote about focusing on the details and substance of the issue instead of on labels and cliched insults.
Hmm commented:
I absolutely agree that without the trillions of taxpayer dollars, we couldn’t pay our soldiers to wander around mountains in the desert, or more importantly the lucrative subcontracts to Haliburton, etc. where a prefab pancake and eggs breakfast costs the taxpayers hundreds of dollars per plate to feed these soldiers.
gus commented:
Slappy, in the LIBTARDS mind, LIBTARD GOOD. Productive Capitalist bad. So LIBTARDS want to punish the evil greedy capitalist. The same CAPITALIST that pays them.
Hmm commented:
“This type of false dichotomy is not accurate nor is it helpful to our democracy. This is why earlier in this thread I wrote about focusing on the details and substance of the issue instead of on labels and cliched insults.”
This is why I have a problem with gus, I wonder if he actually checked that Reuters link to get a clue of what is actually going on.
gus commented:
Hmmtard. I live in Wisconsin your pathetic blubbering idiot.
gus commented:
I am personal friends with both Gov Walker and his defeated opponent, Tom Barrett.
Slappy commented:
Hmm (#110): “Slappy, if I were to paint with a modestly narrower brush than Mr. Gus, I think that the perception of a typical American conservative among independents and liberals (and many true conservatives) entails family values, America uber alles, neo-con boot up your ass Middle-East bombing type…
Of course, I would agree that this characterization describes a large percentage of conservatives in general terms and without context, but there are plenty of conservatives who are more isolationist in regards to foreign interventions, want other countries to take a leadership role in the world to lessen the need for us to, and who supported civil unions or gay marriage. That was my point. Your generalization is not ironclad. But, worst of all, you wrote this while saying that you lost respect for those holding these views. You may disagree with those views, but lose respect? Seriously? You can try to elevate yourself intellectually and morally over conservatives who hold these views but it comes across as supremely arrogant to claim that you have lost respect for them, especially considering those views have been also held by a decent number of Democrats over the years, including many today (e.g., Blue Dogs). Moreover, how can you lose respect for those holding these views when you never had respect for them anyway?
StrangernFiction commented:
“Except that ceding a leadership role to China isn’t really a voluntary thing, it’s more of an economic reality.”
Refusing to come close to fully tapping our vast natural resources, putting a boot on the neck of the private sector, and refusing to secure our borders is very definitely voluntary.
Hmm commented:
gus, I have a hunch that you are one of billions of people in the world that make decisions and form opinions chiefly based on what is right in front of them, the opinions of who they are friends with, etc. rather than independently researching for facts. This type of process works great for the day to day decisions we all make like where to eat lunch and what type of gift should I get my significant other for our anniversary, but not so much for large, complex issues involving many different concepts and people. Blame personality psychology, but appreciate who you are buddy!!!
JPeden commented:
#80 February 18, 2011 at 10:16 pm
Valerie commented:
HOW DARE THIS PRESIDENT COMMENT ON THE CONTENT OF A BILL, WHEN HE DOESN’T KNOW WHAT’S IN IT?????????
Well, speaking of people not having or needing the facts, it’s the old “we don’t need no stinking facts” propaganda tactic, “because we just know” “and I’m giving you permission to behave and think just like me, your Charismatic Leader.” The Obama Adm. uses it intentionally to discourage people from acquiring the facts and to play upon their tendency to want to believe whatever the Adm. wants them to, despite the facts – as in the case of the Az. Illegal Immigration Law and the “Gates” incident, and remember Obama’s advice against using the Internet because of the danger of getting ~”too much” information?
As Hmm says, I don’t respect people who don’t take the time to find out the facts of the situation.
Slappy commented:
Hmm (#116): “I absolutely agree that without the trillions of taxpayer dollars, we couldn’t pay our soldiers to wander around mountains in the desert, or more importantly the lucrative subcontracts to Haliburton, etc. where a prefab pancake and eggs breakfast costs the taxpayers hundreds of dollars per plate to feed these soldiers.”
Will you just stop with the overgeneralizations and narrow scenarios? Posting just the negatives about a policy or government program is a sophomoric and intellectually dishonest debate tactic.
It costs money to keep a fighting force prepared and ready when needed. Nothing will ever change that. Considering the unstable state of much of the rest of the world right now, it doesn’t make sense to enact large cuts in military spending, though there is definitely some cutting that can go on.
As for your comments about Halliburton, I think we can all agree that there is plenty of waste in every department of government and many companies and individuals get plum contracts due to whom they know in government. It happened under Bush (military firms, energy firms) and it’s happening under Obama (labor unions, environmental firms). Of course, this is why many of us conservatives don’t want to turn over more significant control to the government in other matters, like health care.
Hmm commented:
Those operating under the label of “Conservative Values” are becoming more and more dangerously indoctrinated IMO. I’m seeing that alot of independents with conservative values are starting to side with the Libertarian movement in America because since the 80′s, the right has been hijacked by big business and religion.
gus commented:
What a moron. Big BUSINESS and WALL STREET and UNIONS bankrolled Obama.
HMMTARD. You are a clown.
StrangernFiction commented:
Hmm,
Have you done a lot of drugs?
Hmm commented:
As far as Federal spending is concerned, I think Obama was right to focus the budget on reducing military spending and redirecting spending to research and technology. Unfortunately, the biggest problem with the federal budget is out of his control (SS, Medicaid)
gus commented:
Friends LIBTARDS have painted themselves into a corner. They have spent every dime they could steal from us and our children. They have created programs and policies that kept themselves in power, and have kept their own constituencies dependent on them and goverment. There is nothing left but sh(*tting on America, it’s military, it’s successful and then finally going the FULL MONTY.
Marxism/Communism. Obama is disgraceful and incompetent. He is OWNED by Goonunions, Trial lawyers, Abortionists and any other special interest that he has gotten into bed with.
Obama has spent us into bankruptcy without any tangible good result. Now LIBTARDS are agitating and bringing it to the streets.
Hmm commented:
***Medicare/Medicaid
Hmm commented:
gus, big business and wall street bankroll everybody.
KR commented:
Hmm,
Seems you pride yourself with being informed and knowing the facts, so I have a question.
What happened to the Stimulus Bill money (over $800 billion)?
Americans were told that the Obama administration would be the most transparent ever. Unemployment would not go over 8% with the bill. We had to pass it and in a hurry.
So where did the money go? And where are the jobs that were promised?
Slappy commented:
Hmm (#112): “Except that ceding a leadership role to China isn’t really a voluntary thing, it’s more of an economic reality.”
We’ll see. China’s economic growth trajectory will not continue at a 45 degree angle in perpetuity and they have a billion poor people that are going to act as an albatross around the country’s neck for generations. Soon the country’s middle class will be expecting more and that’s when we’ll see what happens to the country economically, politically, and socially due to that expected strife and turmoil.
Economically, China is navigating the easy part right now, but when their economy becomes more mature and the economic growth drops to that of more mature economies, the internal situation may not be sustainable. China may end up being the economic powerhouse for the next century, but it also may end up being the next Japan or Soviet Union, too, though for different reasons.
Regardless, if we can get our fiscal house in order (and that’s a big “if”), there may be co-leadership with the U.S. and China but I don’t see us ceding a leadership role to China. Our economy is still twice as large overall as China’s and our population is only about 25% of China’s so the per-capita GDP in the U.S. is over 10 times as large.
Hmm commented:
“Refusing to come close to fully tapping our vast natural resources, putting a boot on the neck of the private sector, and refusing to secure our borders is very definitely voluntary.”
How do you propose we secure our 7,500+ miles of land borders? Also, as far as vast natural resources I’m assuming you’re talking about our supposedly massive oil reserves, right?
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/ene_oil_res-energy-oil-reserves
Slappy commented:
Hmm (#129): “As far as Federal spending is concerned, I think Obama was right to focus the budget on reducing military spending and redirecting spending to research and technology. Unfortunately, the biggest problem with the federal budget is out of his control (SS, Medicaid).
But it’s only out of his control because he’s a coward, though he’s not alone in that cowardice as members of both parties, especially the Democratic Party, never want to touch entitlements. But we have to now before it’s too late because later we will have to make huge, devastating cuts if we don’t act now. Also, if Obama were serious about cutting federal spending, he wouldn’t be adding a new entitlement (ObamaCare) that will undoubtedly increase the deficit and debt over the long term.
StrangernFiction commented:
#135 February 18, 2011 at 11:56 pm
Hmm commented:
Sorry, I don’t knowingly debate potheads anymore.
Hmm commented:
Yes, I’m intrigued to see what’s going to happen with China also. Possibly the biggest problem with the US is that people expect to live in the semi-artificial luxury that they’ve gotten used to. They feel that because they’ve worked for 20 years pushing plastic plugs into a car seat that there’s no one that would want to replace them at $10/hr savings. Car companies move from Michigan to Kentucky. A guy who sits at a computer doing a couple hours of actual accounting work per day and buying his $300,000 house in the burbs with the 3 new cars and boat gets angry because he’s getting laid off, wants to go back to the good ole Reagen days where everyone was getting rich… but not really.
JPeden commented:
Hmm: How do you propose we secure our 7,500+ miles of land borders?
Right on, Hmm, Obama and his merry band of latte’ Commies claim it’s impossible! Since they admit to being unable to protect our borders against even a non-military invasion, they should resign.
Hmm commented:
The jury is still out on whether or not Obamacare will save the taxpayers money in the long run. What is clear is that overall, medical costs to the individual will go down, and more people will be covered. Seems like that would be impossible, but when you consider the way doctor’s offices run things now, having people come into the office 5 times at $300 charges each when the problem could be solved in 2 visits–just because their health care plan would allow that type of exploitation–will now be a thing of the past. Europe didn’t switch to full-on socialized medicine for no reason, and Obamacare is hardly that.
What does need to happen is a restructuring of medical malpractice laws and a gigantic investigation into the prescription drug industry.
Hmm commented:
JPeden, if you want an easy solution it looks like this: take 75,000 troops that are in the Middle East right now, put 10 per mile along our border. See if anyone is willing to pass that, GOP or Democrat.
Hmm commented:
Oh wait…. Comrade Obama’s already kinda done that… wonder why Bush never thought of that? And National Guard no less, emphasis on NATIONAL. Mr. Bush sent most of them to Iraq back in the day. Guess that was his version of our “Nation”.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/obama-authorizes-deployment-national-guard-southwest/story?id=10740858
AuntieMadder commented:
Hmm #142: Who the f@ck cares? Bush hasn’t been in office for over two years. Try to keep up.
JPeden commented:
Hmm commented:
JPeden, if you want an easy solution it looks like this: take 75,000 troops that are in the Middle East right now, put 10 per mile along our border. See if anyone is willing to pass that, GOP or Democrat.
Sounds like Janet Napolitano could use you to help her think up ways which are either impossible or exceedingly stupid. Easier would be for any official of the Adm. whose job it is to protect and defend the Country and Constitution, who says they cannot do so, to simply resign.
Andreas K. commented:
All this arguing about “balancing the budget”, from both sides, is pointless.
If you make $1,000 every month, you can’t spend $2,000 every month. It’s that simple.
“Hmm (#129): “As far as Federal spending is concerned, I think Obama was right to focus the budget on reducing military spending and redirecting spending to research and technology. Unfortunately, the biggest problem with the federal budget is out of his control (SS, Medicaid).”
Luckily it’s out of his “control”, or he’d spend even more. As for the military spending, it’s hardly significant compared to the rest of the US spending.
As for Obamacare saving tax payer’s money… there doesn’t need to be a jury or anything. Look at the places where similar systems are in place and you’ll see clearly that it won’t save even one cent and will just increase your already out of control spending.
ogee commented:
BALANCING THE BUDGET
Governor Walker is the man.
Budget balancing is his plan.
FLOTUS warned of having to sacrifice.
Unions need to take her advice.
Teaparty says, “stop the spending.
Stop the blame and the games
that are neverending.
And balance the budgets now.”
Wisconsin is not going down for anyone. Scott Walker ‘the man’ has gone in to save the state from crashing and burning and who cares about politics or another term.
Everyone needs to do their job and the WH job is to butt out of states rights and take care of their own budget.
It’s unconstitutional for the federal Gov to butt into what states do. Read the constitution.
Let the adults lead the way now.
^^^I hope you take some great pics of the Wisc Tea Party tomorrow Jim.^^^
vargas commented:
Christie / Walker in 2012 !!!!!!
Deanna commented:
I see Hmmm was still spouting nonsense and Liberal talking points. Worse yet s/he is ignorant of basic information about unions, collective bargaining, the proposed Wisconsin bill, the federal budget, Presidential authority, use of the National Guard, etc. Stil s/he probably will brag to her/his friends about how they debated the ignorant Conservatives.
Ed commented:
it is clear that when Obama kept spewing his “shared sacrifice” crap what he meant was that all taxpayers should share the sacrifice of paying more in order to pay more of the unions bloated salaries and pensions. “shared sacrifice” for Obama means taxpayers need to shoulder all of the historical increase in deficits and spending while the unions get pay less and get more.
“shared sacrifice” for Obama simply means a faster transition to socialism and a faster destruction of the middle class in America.
As Obama directs his minions to stage the assault on the Wisconsin state government he is breaking Article IV Section IV of the United States Constitution – “Finally, the fourth section of Article Four requires the United States to guarantee to each state a republican form of government, and to protect the states from invasion and violence.”
by busing in his union thugs into the State of Wisconsin the fuhrer Obama has broken the State of Wisconsin’s right to a guaranteed for of republican government (where elected representatives decide on state matters and not UNION THUGS from outside the state) and to use the Federal government powers to ensure that outside forces does not DICTATE to the said republican government!
Obama once again is trampling on the United States constituion with the use of Union thuggery to influence internal matters of the great state of Wisconsin! this is a matter that can be and should be brought up in a legal suit against the Obama Administration and should go all the way to the Supreme court of the United States!
Obama’s so called knowledge of the constitution is in question here again and should be brought to light and should be brought to trial.
More power to Gov. Walker, and more power to the republican government of the State of Wisconsin. the freedom loving American people are behind you!
Auntie Em commented:
He did it with Arizona and thinks he can do it with Wisconsin. Can he not be addressed seriously? Can he not be taken out? I just don’t get it. I just don’t get why he is still here.
Mina commented:
Why is the President not wearing his American Flag Pin?