Blow to “O”… Egyptian VP Says There Will Be No Regime Change

On Tuesday the Obama Administration asked Hosni Mubarak to step aside.
On Wednesday they said that transitioning power “now means yesterday.”
On Saturday morning the Obama Administration said Mubarak must stay.
On Saturday evening the Obama Administration said Mubarak should step aside.
On Sunday Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Mubarak must stay in power.
Today the Obama Administration said that political reform will be a gradual process.

Is it any wonder then that the Obama Administration has alienated all sides in Egypt?

An anti-government protester wears a niqab and a headband in the colors of the Egyptian flag at the continuing protest in Tahrir Square in downtown Cairo, Egypt Monday, Feb. 7, 2011. (AP)

In another blow to the Obama Administration, Egyptian Vice President Omar Suleiman told reporters today that there will be no regime change in Egypt and that Mubarak is not planning on leaving office anytime soon.
Salon reported:

Vice President Omar Suleiman warned Tuesday that “we can’t put up with” continued protests in Tahrir for a long time, saying the crisis must be ended as soon as possible in a sharply worded sign of increasing regime impatience with 16 days of mass demonstrations.

Suleiman said there will be “no ending of the regime” and no immediate departure for President Hosni Mubarak, according to the state news agency MENA, reporting on a meeting between the vice president and the heads of state and independent newspapers.

He told them the regime wants dialogue to resolve protesters’ demands for democratic reform, adding in a veiled warning, “We don’t want to deal with Egyptian society with police tools.”

At one point in the roundtable meeting, Suleiman warned that the alternative to dialogue “is that a coup happens, which would mean uncalculated and hasty steps, including lots of irrationalities. We don’t want to reach that point, to protect Egypt.”

Pressed by the editors to explain the comment, he said he did not mean a military coup but that “a force that is unprepared for rule” could overturn state institutions, said Amr Khafagi, editor-in-chief of the privately-owned Shorouk daily, who attended the briefing. “He doesn’t mean it in the classical way.”

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  • Just how many coins is 1600 flipping anyway?

    Besides the one with the bird on it.

  • jainphx

    Has Obama done ANYTHING that hasn’t caused trouble? Has he tried to get the best information about ANYTHING? He’s either the worlds worst bumbler or he’s actually doing exactly what he’s planned. Which is it?

  • GP loves Obama

    Obama, I do not listen too, he is a liar on everything. Best thing is a grave.

  • Big L

    Looks like Obama had some promises or some knowledge from behind the scenes. It all fell thru.

  • gus

    I am frightened when people like O’Reilly and Krauthammer don’t GET Obama. If they do understand this CON, they sure don’t speak the truth.

  • jon_berzerk

    The good news is that obama has quit smoking so the mrs says anyway–LOL

  • save us

    obama wrong again as always

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  • This isn’t going to settle things. The BM won’t let Mubarak ride this out. I think the riots and demonstrations are going to get musch worse.

    Trumpka is taking notes for the riots he will stage when a Republican is in the WH.

  • Taxpayer

    “Um, um, um, um, um” is NOT a foreign policy.

  • MrGoodWench

    So the revolution will happen in September..BFD
    Hussain can wait

  • Chippy

    The CIA knows regime change is dangerous in Egypt right now. Have not heard much from Leon Panetta. Look for him to step aside soon. Remember, he is an ex Clintonite.

  • Big L #4

    re: behind the scenes.. who else but the Egyptian Communist Party?

    ‘Next are extracts from a C.P.A. statement on the revolution. The rhetoric is both accurate and significant.

    The Communist Party of Australia stands in solidarity with this heroic struggle in Egypt’s political and economic life to achieve democracy, jobs and bread.

    We are witnessing a national democratic revolution, a determined attempt to overthrow a corrupt reactionary, pro-imperialist regime.

    The popular mobilisation we are witnessing on the streets of Egypt also has its roots in the courage and persistence of the organisations representing the workers and other progressive forces – among them the Communist Party of Egypt – who have worked for many years under very difficult conditions to rebuild the workers’ movement, weakened by successive cycles of repression and political persecution.

    Egypt occupies a highly strategic position, straddling Africa and Asia, and it controls the Suez Canal, the vital shipping link for oil and other products moving between Asia and Europe and beyond.

    The US and its European and Israeli allies will fight to prevent the Egyptian people controlling their nation’s military and energy policies, and what passes through the Suez Canal. The threat of military intervention hangs over the nation. Imperialism has invaded Egypt once before to maintain control of the Suez Canal.’

    Odd how things always seem to lead to Zero and his International Socialist alliances, Ayers, Code Pink..

  • Valerie

    This is precisely why the demonstrations have continued. The protesters didn’t trust either Mubarak or Suleiman to keep their word.

    Elections are currently set for September, because Mubarak is on extended temporary medical leave. If Mubarack steps down now, is permanently disable, or dies, elections will be held in 60 days.

    One of the problems with the old system is that candidates had to declare and run in a very short time span.

    ElBaradei, backed by the Muslim Brotherhood, wants to scrap the constitution altogether and abolish parliament now.

    Mubarak is right on one point: ElBaradei’s plan will lead to chaos.

  • Redwine

    Egyptian forces should arrest and deport Code Pink, US union and other commie agitators, although I’d prefer to just leave them in Egyptian jails forever.

  • Redwine

    Here you have the support of global socialist unions (watch for all of the exhortations to “social justice”) for the socialist/Islamist riots in Egypt:

    This is not a popular uprising, but an attempt at a putsch.

  • rbosque

    Based on Obama’s nonsensical responses, one can only conclude that he’s incompetent. What’s funny is that the left has been praising Obama’s “intelligence” lately. Shows how stupid they all are.

  • gus

    rbosque! You are AWARE, that the number 1 visitor to O’Bama’s White House, has been SEIU Union thug Andrew Stern?? (now retired and under Federal investigation)???

    How coincidental.

    Obama is FILTH.

  • gus

    Redwine. BINGO.
    Most Americans are too stupid to know who these COMMIE LIBTARD AGITATORS ARE.
    Fact is. So FECKING MUCH CASH is involved, that the LEFTARD COMMIE/MARXISTS and UNION THUGS, can afford, will afford and do afford….INTERNATIONAL THUGGERY and AGITATION.

  • Redwine

    gus (#19) – Remember that the huge piles of cash that drives the evil anti-American activities of the union thugs come from dues and Barack Hussein’s greasy palms by way of the US taxpayer.

  • Valerie

    The Sandmonkey has proposed a transition period, and amendment of the Constitution. This proposal is obviously being thoroughly discussed. I know this because it has the longest list of trackbacks and pings I have ever seen.

    You see, with such Proper citizen organization and segmentation, we’ll have the contact information and location of all the protesters that showed up, and that could be transformed into voting blocks in parliamentary districts: i.e. a foundation for an Egyptian Unity party. That Egyptian Unity Party will be an Umbrella party that promotes equality, democracy & accountability, without any ideological slants. It should be centrist, because we don’t want any boring Left vs. Right squabbling at that stage. Once you institute the structure, start educating the members on their rights and their obligations as citizens. Convince them to bring their friends and relatives into meeting. Establish voters’ critical mass , all under that party.

    The Egyptian Unity Party, however, will not be a permanent structure, but rather a transitional entity with a clear and direct purpose: create the grassroots organization to take back the parliament and presidency in the next elections. Once sufficient votes and seats have been obtained, the party will amend the constitution to promote civil liberties, plurality, and truly democratic elections. Once that constitution is in place, the party can disband, and its elected members can start forming their own parties and collations,

    Mubarak has also proposed a transition period, and specific Constitutional Amendments that address term limits, but that do not address civil liberties, plurality and truly democratic elections.
    I am now careful to conclude my work for Egypt by presenting Egypt to the next government in a constitutional way…
    In view of my authority, I call on the parliament, the people’s assembly and the shura consultative council to amend articles 77 and 76 of the constitution to pave the way for elections and to specify periods for presidential terms.


    There is a deal to be had, here, and it is not the one proposed by the Muslim Brotherhood. The quotes above suggest that the US administration had to crawl up a learning curve (courtesy of Hillary Clinton?), but they have finally started to back something that might be realistic.

  • jorgen

    Obozo has an opinion until he gets another. In this matter, he seems to base his decisions on who he thinks will win in the end.

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  • Joe College

    Here comes the bailout of the states…

    Obama to propose relief for states burdened by debt from unemployment benefits

    “States that have borrowed billions of dollars from the federal government to cover the soaring cost of unemployment benefits would get immediate relief from the Obama administration under a plan to suspend interest payments for the next two years. ”

    We knew it was coming. He couches it in terms that distract from the main issue by directly associating it with helping stuggling families.

  • Mr. President! Mr. President! What are you going to do about the crisis in Egypt?

    “I’m gonna vote ‘present’.”

  • Big L

    Pull it together,Egypt. I want to go see the pyramids and Sphinx and the museum. and the statues at Aswan.There are 80 million people in egypt and 0.00001% are protesting.

  • Carbon Pootprint

    Well I sure hope the MB doesn’t get the idea in their heads that this is the fault of American Communist messing around over there. That could end up being bad for them and that would be a damn shame bahahahhaahaha

  • donh

    You expect Leon Panetta AKA Inspector Clouseau to see what is going on right in front of his face ? …

  • tarpon

    Grab the pom poms, Katie, Andrea, to the front, strike the band, a one, a two on three now — yeah Obama!!!

    Can’t we all just declare Obama successful and go home? Who will tell???

  • squeaky

    mr potato head is more worried about the mouse in the gift shop rather than the elephant.
    [TEHRAN, Oct. 4 (Xinhua) — Director General of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) Mohamed ElBaradei said Sunday that “Israel is number one threat to Middle East” with its nuclear arms, the official IRNA news agency reported.]
    [In his interview with Der Spiegel, ElBaradei echoed this sentiment saying, “At the moment, they (the Israelis) have a peace treaty with Mubarak, but not one with the Egyptian people.”]

  • RedBeard

    Barry Soetero Obama is no doubt highly agitated over the fact that Egyptians (no matter which side they are on) aren’t looking to him for his infinite wisdom. It must be a terrible blow to The One’s ego.

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  • jomojava the infidel

    al-Bama has covered all the bases. Whatever happens, he can take credit.

    Foreign policy is given the “on the other hand” treatment he likes to use on most all issues.

  • nadadhimmi

    The Bamster is a moron. When Soros tells Obama what Obama’s position is, the Bamster will let us know, and he will say: LET ME BE CLEAR, or, THERE IS NO DOUBT.

  • Andreas K.

    Carbon Pootprint, and what is the US under Obama going to do in such a case?

    Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

    Valerie, I’m sure Israel will be ready, same with the US, once she gets on her feet again, but Europe?

    Don’t count on us.

    I also heard that AQ is calling for jihad in Egypt.


    The God of the bible is at work, that is the only way this has happened! Islamic filth looses, as they always will, when evil goes for the apple of God’s eye!

  • bg
  • bg


    squeaky #30

    ElBaradei’s (iran, mb, hamas, hezbollah et al) mantra is not only older than
    me, but a Muslim Brotherhood Project “staple”, POD #11 to be precise..

    [Islamists sure do seem to have a thing for the number 11 don’t they..]


  • bg


    S. Wolf #13

    thanks, but like i’ve been trying to explain via links to info for months on
    end now is, there’s but a oirse split difference between Marxist & Islamist

    all of which have nothing to do with the people behind the protest, it’s like
    the vulture (mb) swooped in before the body died, and now the others are
    picking at the carcus the vulture left..

    this would not be the case for any other ME countries people’s protesters
    against a proved corrupt & tyrannical regime, except for the myth about
    Mubarak supposedly keeping Israels enemies at bay.. hah!!


  • bg


    re: #38

    oirse = hairs



  • Valerie

    Sandmonkey interview ABC: The demonstrations are about police brutality. The real thing, not the behavior of US police officers.

    Wael Abbas on ABC

    Dear egyptian police, our only contact from now on is through my lawyer. You two have fun now 🙂 #jan25

  • bg


    Valerie #14

    link not working.. 🙁

    btw, the Freedom & Democracy (not mb et al) people
    were calling for parliament to be dissolved yesterday..

    Valerie #21

    which is why i thought Mubarak should leave & they should let Suleiman
    (who’s dialoging with Israel) serve until they seal the deal so to speak..


  • invisibledude

    present !!!

    gird your loins !!!

  • Valerie

    They don’t trust Suleiman because he’s Egypt’s “fixer” and he has a reputation for having dirty hands. Dirty is torture and murder by the police, without consequence. This is the story of the roots of the present demonstrations, the murder of a blogger. It includes a picture of a young man who was “asphixiated.” That blatant lie didn’t sit well. You can read most of the article, but fairly far down is a picture that is NSFW. You don’t have to be a physician to tell that “asphixiation” was the least of it.


    I think that a proposal with timelines and specific amendments to the Constitution on the table would expedite the approval of a good plan on all sides except the Muslim Brotherhood, which really is interested in provoking chaos.

    If Mubarak leaves permanently now, the Constitution triggers elections in 60 days. That’s not enough time to get a consensus on changes to the Constitution, or even organize political parties. Political parties have been suppressed on the basis that the MB wants to take over the electoral process. At one time, they definitely could have done that, but as the Egyptian people have seen the outcome in Iran, Lebanon, Iraq, and the West Bank, they don’t care so much for the MB’s ideas.

    Suleiman might be acceptable, if the protesters feel confident that the whole world will watch him.

  • bg


    anti-government protester

    yeah, right..

    tune into the protest much??


  • Valerie

    That link at #14 is correct. I can get to foreign policy blogs, but not the article.

    Here’s a different article on the same subject.

    “When the White House calls for President Husni Mubarak to resign now, we are not simply calling for a new president to take his place. Mubarak stepping down immediately means something very different than some might think it does. Rather than simply replacing the man on top, we are close to calling for something like regime change. That may be a good thing, and indeed, many of the demonstrators are clearly aiming for precisely that. But it is not clear that those who simply call for Mubarak to leave have thought through the details of what happens next.”


    I don’t think our geniuses in the White House bothered to ask the right questions. Hillary may be the only one of them who actually reads documents, which would explain why she counseled against having Mubarak step down immediately, as the President had said.

  • bg
  • bg


    clarification re: #45

    not exactly “representative of”..

    please view some vids or live feed from Egypt, thank you..


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  • Valerie

    The article just above is from February 3. The suggested course of action in the Update at 10:10 pm has occurred. Further, the regime has given some indications of good faith, by proposing some Constitutional amendments (not enough), and by announcing several corruption investigations.

    Also, when Wael Ghonim gave his interview on Egypts most popular talk show, he made it clear that he had been treated gently while imprisoned, and questioned closely about his motives, by people who, he thought, eventually listened with respect. Here’s the whole thing, with english subtitles.

    “Wael Ghonim: Look Ma’am, because we no longer listen to one another, I want to say something first.. This is the season where people use the word traitor against each other. Remember when I called you and I asked you to say the truth, you told me the protestors are pressuring you and the officials are pressuring you. This is the season for accusing everyone of being a traitor! But I want to say something, If I told you now, If I told every one of you now, that I was tortured and beaten up and electrocuted, despite taking off my clothes and showing you no marks of such, you will all believe me. Correct? You’ll believe Because right now I have credibility. But Honestly, this didn’t happen to me.Nothing happened to me since..I was in shock!”

    “Wael Ghonim: I was kidnapped … Inside State Security prison, I was treated really well. It was so strange! They treated me with so much respect. I met some really intellectual people in jail, they were all 100% certain that we were traitors, working for others, either brainwashed, or funded by some entity directing us. Telling us where to go, what to do, what to post online. You know, nothing hurt me, my mom and dad were given a hard time, but that didn’t hurt me, what hurt me was when an officer suspected I was a traitor. He later changed his mind. …”

    “I want to say I so optimistic before the 25th. And today, I am overwhelmed with optimism and I can’t believe what the people have managed to do! Today, people have proven that theyre…I was telling the officers in my interrogation..I want just one person to argue..I said it to said I was with Dr.Hossam right?


    I think this may the Dr. Hossam he refers to: the secretary general of the ruling National Democratic Party, Hossam Badrawi

    If so, it means the Jan25 group has won the respect and support of the NDP.

  • Joanne

    Now Mubarak is going to start the round up of all demonstrators and the Muslim Brotherhood, imprison them, torture and beat them, and finally kill them….I’m sure a few Christians will receive his wrath as well. Talk about being between a rock and a hard place. The legitimate protestors who want the change, we would like to see, demonstrate for changes, putting their necks out, and now they will suffer the consequences without any advance forward. I wish there had been an organized group who could take over Egypt without the Muslim Brotherhood forcing their way in instead.

  • bg


    Valerie #46

    you may be right about Hillary, but documents or not, the people want him
    & his regime gone.. iow: one extreme against the other, whcih albeit i may
    be wrong, but why i think Suleiman being a temp in between until elections
    would be ideal, especially since he’s more or less in sync with Israel.. but
    most of all because he is an avid nemesis of the Muslim Brotherhood (not to
    mention the people protesting do not want them in power either)..

    too bad Mubarak had to swear him in so soon, whereas if Mubarak had left
    & left him in charge, that might have placed him in a better position to deal
    with the Freedom and Democracy protesters, but what do i know.. besides,
    it’s all water under the bridge now anyways..

    re: the link..

    oh i’m sure it is, but i keep getting this:

    The connection to the server was reset while the page was loading.

    * The site could be temporarily unavailable
    or too busy. Try again in a few moments.

    * If you are unable to load any pages,
    check your computer’s network connection.

    * If your computer or network is protected by a firewall or
    proxy, make sure that Firefox is permitted to access the Web.

    [Try Again]

    at any rate, thanks for the other link..


  • bg


    the following is what Obama et al are setting US up for.. now mind you, i’m
    not saying it will definitely happen, or that it will happen tomorrow.. but as
    far as the status quo goes, count on it.. which is also why i say.. the more
    FREEDOM FROM REPRESSION in the ME the better off, albeit eventually, we
    will be.. and also why i say testing testing 123..


    The furious mob responded by burning seven official buildings, including
    two police stations and a police barracks, a court house and the local
    headquarters of President Hosni Mubarak’s ruling National Democratic



    ‘He is threatening to impose martial law, which means everybody in the
    square will be smashed,’ said Abdul-Rahman Samir, a spokesman for a
    coalition of the five main youth groups behind protests in Cairo’s Tahrir
    Square. ‘But what would he do with the rest of the 70 million Egyptians
    who will follow us afterward.’

    Suleiman is creating ‘a disastrous scenario,’ Samir said. ‘We are striking
    and we will protest and we will not negotiate until Mubarak steps down.
    Whoever wants to threaten us, then let them do so.’]

    Mubarak blew it, Obama blew it, and now, evidently, Suleiman blew it..


  • Valerie


    It’s also true that on Sunday, they held a Mass in Tahrir square. There’s a youtube video, unfortunately without translation. Video of the Christian Mass in Tahrir. Please note that under Mubarak’s rule, this has never happened. #jan25
    5:57 PM Feb 6th via web

    I dedicate this video to all the people in the US who believe that this is an Islamist revolution. U were proven very wrong today. #jan25
    5:59 PM Feb 6th via web

    and here’s the follow-up news story, with a very interesting nugget of information.

    On Friday, the holy day for Islam, Christian protesters in Tahrir Square joined hands to form a protective cordon around their Muslim countrymen so they could pray in safety.

    Sunday, the Muslims returned the favor.

    They surrounded Christians celebrating Mass in Cairo’s central plaza, ground zero for the secular pro-democracy protests reverberating throughout the Middle East.

    “In the name of Jesus and Muhammed, we unify our ranks,” the Rev. Ihab al-Kharat told the crowd in his sermon.

    “We will keep protesting until the fall of the tyranny,” he said.

    Some of the worshipers began to cry as the congregation sang, “Bless our country, listen to the cries of our hearts.”

    Afterward, the crowd of both Muslims and Christians chanted “one hand” – meaning “we are one” – and held up a Koran and a cross.

    Though police forces quit protecting anything – including churches – when the anti-Mubarak protests began two weeks ago, not one church has been attacked.

  • bg


    Valerie #50

    re: Badrawi link:

    [He added that it is time when leaders respect their people and realize
    that the people have spoken up and are able to change their lives.

    Badrawi said that although Egypt underwent several revolutions throughout
    its history, January 25 is a unique and civilized revolution aiming for a better
    Egypt in all aspects.

    Moreover, he added that the NDP is also changing for the better and
    that they will lead the process of modernization and development.]


    they are still covering the protest, but have obviously
    been tamped down to the minimum “live coverage”..

    the West et al news reports covering the protest got
    it all wrong.. hah, what the (fitb) else is new?? gah!!

    and the East is barley covering it.. well well now, that is a shock..
    what they are doing is showing scenes from top gun and telling the
    gullible US & Israel invaded Europe.. /s/


    [disclaimer: not something i usually promote, but in this case, they have
    been literal LIFE SAVERS, not to mention Al-Jazeera English: Egypt: Live


  • bg


    Valerie #54

    i’ve posted numerous links to and articles about all that stuff
    (and a lots more) in numerous posts via GP from the get go..


    so in order that you get some sort of feedback from GP or anyone in here,
    please allow me to say i humbly THANK YOU for informing us about what
    we used to call when debunking the same propaganda on Iraq, the truth..


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  • bg


    😀 duh re: #55

    [what they are PROBABLY doing is showing scenes from top
    gun and telling the gullible US & Israel invaded EGYPT.. /s/]


  • bg


    great news /SARC/..

    the Gaza Petrol Smugglers (towit the protests
    evidently put a halt to), are back in business..


  • bg


    ps: #56

    re: Valwerie #54

    i would love to see this truth vs this propaganda in at least one of GP’s
    posts re: Egypt’s Freedom & Democracy Movement posts, oh wait, don’t
    even recall seeing any reference to them in any of the titles.. *sigh*

    OT.. the killing has started in Sudan (one of those personal
    driver kills his peaceful new nations leader deals again).. 🙁


  • bg #39

    re oirse (hair’s) split difference…

    Oh that is true, and not much if any difference between the Nazis as well. Communists, Nazis, Arab nationalist terrorists all want world domination and use each other to get it.

    ‘Pundits have portrayed the Brotherhood as uncompromising zealots or beneficent providers of social services that long-deprived Egyptians desperately need.

    But a translation released Tuesday of a 1995 book by the movement’s fifth official leader sheds light on just how Egypt’s Brotherhood views itself and its mission. Jihad is the Way is the last of a five-volume work, The Laws of Da’wa by Mustafa Mashhur, who headed the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt from 1996-2002.

    They detail the Brotherhood’s objectives of advancing the global conquest of Islam and reestablishing the Islamic Caliphate, the public and private duties of jihad and the struggle Muslims must wage against Israel.

    The full text, translated by PMW, will be posted Wednesday on the organization’s website,

    “The Islamic ummah,” it says, referring to the supranational community of Muslims, “can regain its power and be liberated and assume its rightful position which was intended by Allah, as the most exalted nation among men, as the leaders of humanity.”’

  • bg


    S. Wolf #61

    thank you SW..

    however, you must know by now that you’re not telling me anything new
    to me, but please, keep on telling me, someone else may get a clue.. 😉


  • bg


    S. Wolf #61

    hey there again.. and you can take it or leave it, but if the powers that be
    haven’t figured out that Iran & the MB can’t take over the world w/out the
    US going down first, well, good luck to them and their critical thinking myth..


  • bg


    via Live blog Feb 9 – Egypt protests

    what’s that they say about one picture??

    ps re: Jordan (good move to avoid protests, well, so far anyways)..


  • bg

    I’ve learned more from you than you from me, so yes what I post is more for others who yet may learn if they will. I’m not telling you anything you don’t know. 😉 The powers that be doubtless already know the U.S. must fall before the world and this is why we are afflicted with Zero and his subversive fellow travelers.

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  • justasimplepatriot

    A 30 mph mind trying to deal with a Mach 2 problem. If I were him, I’d crawl into a hole. Resign you rookie doofus!