Hah-Hah!… Sorry WaPo… Sorry NY-Slimes… CBO NOW SAYS Repealing Obamacare Will Save US $540 Billion
Posted by Jim Hoft on Friday, January 7, 2011, 3:48 PM
Sorry Crackpots…
This morning the far left was ranting on about how repealing Obamacare would actually cost taxpayers billions of dollars.
What nonsense.
Rep. Anthony Weiner was spreading the lie last night on Hannity. The Washington Post published the lie this morning and again later today. The New York Times wrote that Republicans are ignoring the CBO results.
Hah-Hah.
What rubbish.
Today, the CBO (given the right data points) released new results that show that repealing Obamacare will save US taxpayers at least $540 billion.
The American Spectator reported:
The Congressional Budget Office, in an email to Capitol Hill staffers obtained by the Spectator, has said that repealing the national health care law would reduce net spending by $540 billion in the ten year period from 2012 through 2021. That number represents the cost of the new provisions, minus Medicare cuts. Repealing the bill would also eliminate $770 billion in taxes. It’s the tax hikes in the health care law (along with the Medicare cuts) which accounts for the $230 billion in deficit reduction.
Of course, anyone who believes that covering 30 million more people with health insurance would save taxpayers money is a complete nutcase in the first place.
What fools.
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echo commented:
But what about the 30 million taxpayers? They are somebody’s mother, daughter, and gin-slogging mistress.
They deserve healthcare inasmuch as we all deserve police protection, another state-run nicety.
Martini is dry.
Wheezer commented:
You gotta love it! As you well know the CBO is dumocratically controlled.
Twisted Sister commented:
Look, folks, I hate Obamacare as much as the next guy, but this whole CBO thing is crap. HOW – HOW, I ask, did the CBO go from costing hundreds of billions to saving hundreds of billions? Do you know how huge a swing that is?
Time to defund the CBO!
Wheezer commented:
Echo I don’t knoe whether you were being facetious or not but there are better ways to insure uninsured taxpayers.
A rid bit from the Heritage Foundation I found interesting….
‘While the CBO did produce a report projecting that Obamacare could produce $124 billion of savings over its first 10 years, no honest and intelligent person believes that that score will ever become reality. Not even the CBO. CBO Director Doug Elmendorf wrote: “CBO’s cost estimate noted that the legislation maintains and puts into effect a number of policies that might be difficult to sustain over a long period of time.” Elmendorf then goes on to identify a number of specific Obamacare policies, such as arbitrary reductions in the growth rate for Medicare spending, that anyone who follows health care policy knows will be impossible to actually implement.’
Bill Mitchell commented:
Like most left wing talking points, it sounds good but when you actually think about doing it, you realize it is completely nonsensical.
Think about it – covering 30 million people that were not insured previously, having the government run and the show AND it saves money? Only if they tax the sh*t out of us, and that was the plan.
Anyone wanna bet the MSM doesn’t even report this new finding?
Bill Mitchell commented:
CBO is garbage-in / garbage-out. All they do is crank out and estimate based upon the numbers and assumptions you provide them.
The left learned how to game the CBO long ago by feeding them false assumptions and bogus numbers on the front end so they could get a CBO number (that bore no resemblance to reality) on the back end and use it to justify their policies.
It is literally opinion laundering by the left?
Rock commented:
Ignore echo that is just that the same old party line echoing from within the empty mind of kool aid drinkers.
ramapart ranger commented:
Watch the press suddenly drop the adjective “non-partisan” from their well-worn pontifical phrase “The non-partisan CBO reported today….”
That is, if they bother to report it at all. Someone should keep score tonight on the evening news as they strain to soften the blow for their Truly Beloved.
Amazed commented:
The point is, repeal will SAVE TAXPAYERS $770B. Taxpayers is where the “revenue” will come from. My portion of that is money I won’t be able to use to buy my own da** health insurance. I’m going to have to give up my highly researched, long tweaked plan (and HSA) because I chose to self insure my preventative care, and now my plan isn’t good enough for government. REPEAL NOW!
vote for pedro commented:
First it was 47 million w/o health care. Now, it’s 30 million tax payers. Mothers, daughters…ohnoes! Let’s parade some more sob stories, aka, worst case senarios.
Hows about trucking half of Central and South America up here for prenatal care…don’t they deserve it? How can we allow one human being on the planet to go without the medical services they obviously deserve?
Irrelevence factor-5
Mock value-9
Concern level-10(I was touched by the mothers, daughters angle)
bigkahuna commented:
It would be simple. Put all the health insurance companies on a single web site. You check the box off for what you want. The size of your group or whatever. You should be able to band together with otherindividuals, contractors,engineers, businesses etc.
You should be able to choose your deductibles and your plan. You should be able to buy it from any state.
Then you allow individuals to rate the various companies like you do with Amazon, Ebay vendors, New Egg etc.
The cost would go down and service will get better.
Then allow a board of people look at frivioulous lawsuits and determine if a suit is lame it will be tried as loser pays . The lawsuits would drop like a rock.
Then stop telling insurance companies who they have to cover and what they have to cover. The epople will flock to the best companies. We will be free and losers are still democrats
Granny commented:
Echo, I am a medical professional – a medical scientist to be exact. Let me make one thing very clear to you and all those of your ilk yet one more time
Health INSURANCE is not Health CARE!!!
And having it does not even guarantee that you can find someone to accept it. Unless you have a catastropic event or an unusual illness, nearly everyone would actually save money by simply paying for their health CARE in cash, in many cases quite some little bit of money.
I am one of those 30 million “uninsured” and I am “uninsured” by choice. My total health care costs, even at my age, run me less than $1000 a year. Give me one good reason that I should pay out several times that amount of money and still have to pay a fairly substantial co-pay and deductible – a deductible that might very well far exceed my annual cash health care cost in the first place!
Jim Hoft commented:
Twisted Sister- The CBO is not corrupt. The democrats are. What they did was order a burger, fries and shake and went to the CBO and asked them how much the shake cost… If you get my drift.
The CBO only can give results to the questions that are requested. That’s why Paul Ryan said he would eat his tie if Obamacare saved taxpayers money.
Given the correct criteria the CBO will give the correct results. That’s what we see today.
Remember: Democrats always lie.
bg commented:
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bottom line:
they are working the Health Care / Insurance scam
the same exact way they worked the Housing Crisis..
again, it’s a plain as day, right under our noses, eyes wide
shut, ears deafened by rhetoric, when will we ever learn??
hope we wake up before we’re pent up..
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Ladue Pundit commented:
The closer we get to 2012, the more heat will be applied to senators, especially our old battle axe from MO, Claire. The House can keep passing it, and the Senate can keep ducking it.
I would like to log on here and see Harry Reid being taken out of the senate on a stretcher, if that’s what it takes. At his age, playing chicken can be dangerous. Don’t fight it, Harry. Destiny calls.
vote for pedro commented:
Too bad we can’t use Auto-tune on echo’s comments. BTW, I’m writing Liberal Parrot Petie, The Musical. I’ll unveil Act I Scene I in response to the next comment I see him make.
echo commented:
Do you think Speaker Banal votes in accordance with the Healthcare-Industrial Complex because
a. he’s paid handsomely by it
b. he really believes in its mission
c. he finds it politically expedient, allowing him to forestall the avenging angels of the Tea Party who want immediate money-saving results
d. a and b
e. a and c ?
Martini is dry, gents!
echo commented:
Oh, sorry, I forgot to tell you: The answer is e. (a. and c. )
Taqiyyotomist commented:
OT
I often wonder if David Horowitz realizes that his NewsReelBlog would be a hundred times better if people — ordinary people with ordinary web-browsers — could even READ the comments? Such a good blog, but with an average of 3 comments per post, on a good day.
Sad that some conservative bloggers still don’t get it, and that otherwise incredible blogs languish in obscurity. All for disallowing even the READING of comments by unregistered users. What the hell is the dude thinking? Not about becoming a popular weblog, that much is sure. I read posts on that blog, through Blogs Lucianne Loves, every day, but after reading a good three-, four-, or even ELEVEN-page (when it coulda fit on one, but that’s another legitimate, annoying beef altogether), I always think “Hmm, I wonder if anyone else read this piece? GUESS I’LL NEVER KNOW, SINCE I CAN’T READ THE TWO COMMENTS.
Join this Century, Mr. Horowitz. Amazing blog besides the “splitting lists-of-ten into eleven pages so you’ll get the ten pageviews for one story” deal, and the aforementioned lack of commenting or even reading of the select few who do comment. It’s like reading a blog which exists entirely in a vacuum.
/rant off
rbosque commented:
I think that ass-wipe John Stewart was spewing yesterday about the cost saving “benefits” of Obamacare. I would like that mutant to correct himself on his show today but I’m not holding my breath.
The Aqua Buddha commented:
“Repealing the bill would also eliminate $770 billion in taxes. It’s the tax hikes in the health care law (along with the Medicare cuts) which accounts for the $230 billion in deficit reduction.” — http://spectator.org/blog/2011/01/07/breaking-cbo-says-repealing-ob
“Extrapolating the estimated budgetary effects of the original health care legislation and accounting for the effects of subsequent legislation, CBO anticipates that enacting H.R. 2 would probably yield, for the 2012-2021 period, a reduction in revenues in the neighborhood of $770 billion and a reduction in outlays in the vicinity of $540 billion, plus or minus the effects of forthcoming technical and economic changes to CBO’s and JCT’s projections.” — http://spectator.org/blog/2011/01/07/breaking-cbo-says-repealing-ob
With Healthcare Reform:
Income goes UP $770 billion.
Payouts go UP $540 billion.
Leaving a SURPLUS of $230 billion for deficit reduction.
With the REPEAL of Healthcare Reform:
Income will DROP by $770 billion.
Payouts will DROP by $540 billion.
The SURPLUS $230 billion goes … POOF!
Meaning there is a net gain to the deficit of $230 billion dollars because Healthcare Reform is the law of the land RIGHT NOW. Meaning the $230 billion is on the books already. It’s expected income. You yank the reforms, you remove $230 billion from future spending that will have to be found somewhere else. Certainly NOT from tax increases because those won’t pass the House.
It’s a moot point anyway. There is NO WAY that repeal passes the Senate. So, scream all you want about the costs, the Dems still rule the Senate and the White House. Repeal of anything from the past two years is a non-issue.
echo commented:
vote for p,
I might be a pedrophile if I also wanted to be like Dennis Miller, a witty guy who somehow found it more tractable to distance himself from the art and beauty in the world in favor of the mean-spirited, unGolden Mean, and I do bemoan the “meanness” (see The Misfit, “A Good Man is Hard to Find”) that sustains him now.
Martini is dry, awaits your tendentious tongue
echo commented:
Jon Stewart is unpopular with you because he’s funny, salient, and right. Hell, he even catered to conservatives by calling out the great keith olbermann for making strident comments, which i think amounts to a false equivalency on Stewart’s part. Sorry, I digress…
But, martini is dry.
Taqiyyotomist commented:
Re: my last
Sent it via NRB’s “contact” page.
Also: reading David Horowitz’s NewsRealBlog is, in all ways except CONTENT, like reading any NYTimes piece. Nobody says nuttin’, dig?
Not of this century, for sure.
Taqiyyotomist commented:
This new troll is something else, huh?
At least echo is fairly entertaining, though? If nothing else.
Taqiyyotomist commented:
An erudite troll. Something you rarely see on blogs.
bg commented:
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just a thought or two..
re: The Aqua Buddha #22
it’s still all constructed on a sandcastle in the sky vs the way it was..
iow: for all intent and purpose.. in such a deliberately
unstable world, what guarantee is there either way??
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bg commented:
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bottom line: Echo is all about Echo..
as ‘transparent’ as Obama actually..
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Chisum commented:
At least echo is fairly entertaining, though? If nothing else.
Taqiy,
Echo is a terrible liar. We catch him out frequently
But echo thinks he’s really smart, which comforts him.
I’m sitting back and waiting for the next whopper. My ribs still hurt from laughing at the last one from him.
Slappy commented:
echo (#1): “But what about the 30 million taxpayers? They are somebody’s mother, daughter, and gin-slogging mistress.
They deserve healthcare inasmuch as we all deserve police protection, another state-run nicety.
Martini is dry.”
Nice try conflating “health care” with “health insurance.” This is a favorite practice of intellectually dishonest liberals like yourself. Also, your attempt to make it appear that ObamaCare is the only possible solution to covering the uninsured is equally as fraudulent, especially considering the excessive cost of ObamaCare when our country is swimming in debt. Your post is the type of comment lacking depth and context that we’ve all come to expect from Lefty trolls on this site.
BTW, you are more than welcome to personally pay for health care or insurance for “somebody’s mother, daughter, and gin-slogging mistress,” if you want to, as some of us already help our loved ones when they need financial assistance. You should try it instead of forcing everyone else to pay for others.
Cargosquid commented:
ObamaCare will save money!
Medicare will only cost a few billion!
What do these statements have in common?
Chisum commented:
Echo named himself well, don’t you think?
In Greek mythology, Echo (Greek: Ἠχώ, Ēkhō; “Sound”) was an Oread (a mountain nymph) who loved her own voice.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echo_(mythology)
Taqiyyotomist commented:
I know, Chis. I don’t generally engage echo, for that reason, among others.
Keyword here – LULZ.
All you need to know about echo’s motivation and probable background.
He/she wants LULZ, in the new-speak internet sense of the “word”. Probably doing this for credits at a University, or “props” in some anarchist forum or other.
Uses big words, though — so, fairly entertaining, compared to the average, run-of-the-mill troll. I just sit back and watch. For the record, martinis, dry or otherwise, taste like I would imagine sucking on a pine-cone for a few days might taste. Just sayin’. I guess there’s no accounting for taste. Some folks like truffle oil, too. No accounting.
echo commented:
Will someone just address the fact Mr. Boehner receives all this money from Health Insurance concerns…
Meanwhile, Chiz, how can you call me liar when my pants are nary on fire; however, I am a bit hot under the collar.
Remind me how I lied again, and the pithier your reply the better.
“I love it when you call me names”
Joan Armatrading
(not really)
I like this Taqi guy– I hope to offer future tick for Taq…
cheers,
Martini is dry, but requires a tad bit more metaphysical vermouth.
vote for pedro commented:
Mean? And you don’t use a mocking, condescending tone? I especially loved the fencing metaphors. In the future, can you please use NASCAR anaologies so us bible thumping, cousin humping, beer guzzling…I can’t give away all my lines to Liberal Parrot Petie, The Musical.
Tendentious? Have you actually read my comments? To sum up: I don’t care about party affiliation, period. I have never…ever, been a Republican. I want limited government, less deficits and debt. I am opinionated, but as I have previously stated, partisanship is not limited to any one segment of the political spectrum. Politicians should be held accountable for their rhetoric, and govern as they promised on the campaign trail.
echo commented:
Chiz,
Nice touch with the definition; howeveh, that Echo is a woman. i am of Greek descent, for what that’s worth…
echo commented:
pedro,
you are right– you aren’t that tendentious; i just needed a scathing “t” word to complete the alliteration.
martini is dry
Slappy commented:
echo (#19): “Oh, sorry, I forgot to tell you: The answer is e. (a. and c. )”
Wow, you’re quite the witty fellow, aren’t you? Even accepting your comment as true about Boehner (i.e., that he “receives all this money from Health Insurance concerns,” like you wrote in #35) that still doesn’t mean his stance to repeal ObamaCare is incorrect, does it? You focusing on this (i.e., Boehner’s supposed motivations) instead of the true cost of ObamaCare, including all the needed tax increases to implement it and thus supposedly allow us to “save” money, is definitely instructive.
Chisum commented:
#
#37 January 7, 2011 at 5:04 pm
echo commented:
Chiz,
Nice touch with the definition; howeveh, that Echo is a woman. i am of Greek descent, for what that’s worth…
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Funny, I thought you were transgender.
No doubt I got that impression from your comments.
Buffalobob commented:
You ask who would believe the obamacare would save a bizillion dollars? Well do you remember the idiot who when interviewed on TV thought that now that Obama was elected she would not have to pay rent or utilities.
echo commented:
slappy,
ok, cool, thanks for addressing the issue!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just wanted someone to defend it, for it IS true that someone might take money from a concern if they already are inclined that way. Similarly, I defended Gore when he tried to make money off something that is his passion—the Greening of America. He really believes in what he says, and so he decided to be at the avante garde of the money-making stage of this development.
Meanwhile, it’s still not a good idea–bad politics and unethical— for a pol to take money from something he/she has to vote on.
Martini, dry; wife, toasty.
bg commented:
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echo #37
and you use it to id yourself because ??
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Taqiyyotomist commented:
JACK
See, obviously everything on a plane is single-serving, even–
TYLER
Oh, I get it. It’s very clever.
JACK
Thank you.
TYLER
How’s that working out for you?
JACK
What?
TYLER
Being clever.
JACK
(thrown)
Great.
TYLER
Keep it up then. Right up.
Tyler stands, looks toward the aisle.
TYLER
Now a question of etiquette: As I pass, do I give you the ass or the crotch?
How’s that working out for you, echo?
bg commented:
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re: #43
never mind, it’s Greek to you..
and a Time Waster to me..
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echo commented:
Chiz,
Whew! I thought you were going to riff on my Greekness (you know, the anal jokes and sheep love), but instead you went the less predictable route: my gender. How obvious are you in real life, I wonder? Do you smile sophomorically when you peer at the Washington Monument and whisper ribald words in your wife’s ear?
Martini is dry, and gut-rottingly pine
Chisum commented:
5 Reasons Why Repealing Obamacare Will Not Increase the Deficit
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/01/07/reasons-repealing-obamacare-increase-deficit/
gus commented:
Obama is a fecking liar. Care to dispute that PEE PEE??
Taqiyyotomist commented:
Some guy a couple of years ago wrote an article about the hoax that is Global Warming.
It turned out that he was paid about $5,000 by an oil company to write this article.
Therefore, and thusly, to every echo-like lib in the WORLD, all that he wrote was a lie. Since he got paid money to write this article, by an oil company.
Well, I guess that means that every writer who ever got a cash advance from a publishing house is just a liar, and just wrote what they wrote for money. Every newspaper columnist who ever had a column published by any newspaper? They are all liars, by this logic. In fact, only people who write things for free (or for government grant moneys, natch) are telling the truth.
Chisum commented:
Whew! I thought you were going to riff on my Greekness (you know, the anal jokes and sheep love), but instead you went the less predictable route: my gender. How obvious are you in real life, I wonder? Do you smile sophomorically when you peer at the Washington Monument and whisper ribald words in your wife’s ear?
Martini is dry, and gut-rottingly pine
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Now everyone can see, after reading a comment like this, why I thought echo was transgender.
It was a perfectly reasonable conclusion.
Chisum commented:
Now a question of etiquette: As I pass, do I give you the ass or the crotch?
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Wow Taqiy, that’s like a smorgasboard to a transexual.
Taqiyyotomist commented:
Billions and billions of dollars for college professors to promote the myth of AGW? Not a problem. With each and every “study” and “paper” ending with “…and we desparately need more taxpayer money to further study this problem!”
$5,000 for a guy to write the truth about this heist of Treasury dollars? All LIES! FOLLOW THE MONEY!!!!1111eleventymillion!
Billions vs. $5,000. Easy to see, for those who are not blind, and have a modicum of an iota of a sense of perspective.
echo commented:
Chiz,
I don’t see anything feminine in my writing—- I write with a very muscularly flourishing pen. Not as virile as with the old-school quilled writer you use, I bet.
Martini needs to be more dry.
Slappy commented:
The Aqua Buddha (#22):
“With Healthcare Reform:
Income goes UP $770 billion.
Payouts go UP $540 billion.
Leaving a SURPLUS of $230 billion for deficit reduction.
With the REPEAL of Healthcare Reform:
Income will DROP by $770 billion.
Payouts will DROP by $540 billion.
The SURPLUS $230 billion goes … POOF!
Meaning there is a net gain to the deficit of $230 billion dollars because Healthcare Reform is the law of the land RIGHT NOW. Meaning the $230 billion is on the books already. It’s expected income. You yank the reforms, you remove $230 billion from future spending that will have to be found somewhere else. Certainly NOT from tax increases because those won’t pass the House.”
How does it feel to be such a puppet for the Democratic Party? You realize that this supposed “net gain to the deficit of $230 billion” doesn’t include the “doc fix,” required the use of a 10-year period to include years before the law kicks in, is filled with unreasonable cost and revenue assumptions, double counts various cuts and revenues, etc. This $230 billion would disappear and billions would be added to the deficit if any one of these were changed to reflect reality and honesty. Instead, the dishonest Democrats used gimmicks and fudged the numbers and dates to make the true cost look cheaper than it is. No one in their right mind — not even the Democrats who voted for this thing — can believe it’s going to reduce the deficit, especially looking beyond the year 2021. Moreover, look at the amount of tax increases that need to take place under ObamaCare to get that “net gain to the deficit of $230 billion”. I’m sure those won’t have any negative impact on the U.S. economy. This is all about the Left, which yearns for centralized power, to get control over the health care system and 15+% of the U.S. economy.
Larkin commented:
If the truth is revealed, but it isn’t covered by the liberal media,
…is it really the truth?
“What is” is what the (gawd, I hate this word) media says it is…or doesn’t say, as the case may be.
echo commented:
Taqi baby,
You don’t believe in global warming?
Sacre bleu!
You are no longer my favorite GP scribe.
I guess you’ll get over that.
Martini is okay now…
Taqiyyotomist commented:
If I thought, as an industry, that a particular bill was destined to DESTROY my industry and the future of healthcare entirely in America….
….YOU DAMN RIGHT I would lobby and fete and gift and grease-the-wheels to get the damned TRUTH out.
But, to echo, since somebody got money or political donations of any kind from a “Health Care Company”, then all that they say is suspect. Despite the fact that all that they say is true. Since money was paid to get the truth out, and to influence legislation, then ALL IS MOOT.
Nevermind the many billions invested in destroying our entire economy, of which healthcare is a large part, by lobbyists investing in politicians for the express purpose of destroying our entire economy.
Unbelievable how blind folks can be, when they want to be.
Chisum commented:
I don’t see anything feminine in my writing—- I write with a very muscularly flourishing pen.
I know. I know.
Self-awareness is very difficult to achieve.
Taqiyyotomist commented:
“I guess you’ll get over that.”
Already.
Slappy commented:
echo (#42):
“slappy,
ok, cool, thanks for addressing the issue!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just wanted someone to defend it, for it IS true that someone might take money from a concern if they already are inclined that way. Similarly, I defended Gore when he tried to make money off something that is his passion—the Greening of America. He really believes in what he says, and so he decided to be at the avante garde of the money-making stage of this development.
Meanwhile, it’s still not a good idea–bad politics and unethical— for a pol to take money from something he/she has to vote on.”
I don’t get caught up in worrying about who is taking money from whom because all pols do it. It is actually required if a politician is going to be able to finance a run for office, promote their views, and advance their agenda as a politician. As you referenced, most of the time pols take money from special interests with whom they already support. The ones that suddenly change their opinions after receiving money are the ones with whom I do have a problem but even then it’s still secondary to whether I think they are taking the right position on the issue. That’s why I focus on the merits of their positions and opinions. That’s also why I think Boehner’s position on ObamaCare is correct, regardless of what money is donated to him by health care insurance interests.
Taqiyyotomist commented:
And no, echo, I don’t “believe in” global warming….or climate change, or “man-caused ecological disasters”, or whatever the hell the Orwellian f***s want to call it today.
http://www.floppingaces.net/2011/01/07/the-renewable-energy-credit-scam-reader-post/
Follow the money! The libs tell me. Okey dokey, will do.
Taqiyyotomist commented:
#60
Damn right, and what I was trying, albeit feebly, to say.
Patricia Geary commented:
So, Echo is of Greek descent? That explains everything:
http://pajamasmedia.com/victordavishanson/raging-against-them/
S/he’s (I thought Echo was one of Roseanne Barr’s pen names) probably one of those artsy libs who on the one hand rages against authority while simultaneously bows down and worships it, begging for more and more of it.
echo commented:
Chiz,
I think I am drawing an inference from you that reminds me of this:
I love it when rednecks at a rally think they can bully us because we are liberal and, therefore, probably pacifist. (Btw, many of my relatives are rednecks, so don’t take it personally or don’t invoke some kind of political correctness, please!) I love my fellow citizens, and I know in a social vacuum they would advance me certain kindesses and might even save my life, so I try to look beyond their political predispositions; howeveh, when they lay hands on me, then it’s a fight, and i am not afraid of Mr. 1950s Haircut and his prehistoric anger. You wouldn’t find me funny then, Mr. Man
Martini is dry, and beckons your salacious lips
twinky019 commented:
I like bigkahuna thought process! That makes perfect sense and is ideal! Began as reform and ended as take it w/o lube and the 47MM uninsured suddenly became 30MM Americans. WTF?! I guess majority of those 30MM are able to obtain insurance just like the majority of Unemployed can find a job!
Taqiyyotomist commented:
OT From my FA link:
“ARLINGTON, Va.–(BUSINESS WIRE)–Greenhouse Gas Services LLC (GHGS), a venture between GE Energy Financial Services, a unit of GE (NYSE:GE), and The AES Corporation (NYSE:AES), announced today that it has signed a master agreement with Google to co-develop projects that reduce greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions and produce GHG credits. The initial project will capture methane gas at the Mount Herman landfill in Caldwell County, North Carolina.
“We’re working with Google at the site level to create GHG credits that are certified to our Standard of Practice, ensuring they represent a real and permanent reduction in greenhouse gas emissions”
.As one of the first emissions reduction co-development projects in the US, Greenhouse Gas Services (GHGS) will design, build and operate the facility that will capture more than 120,000 tons of landfill gas over ten years. The project will use the GHGS Standard of Practice to govern the creation, management and retirement of the credits. Google will add these offsets to its carbon portfolio to advance its goal of company-wide carbon neutrality.
“We’re working with Google at the site level to create GHG credits that are certified to our Standard of Practice, ensuring they represent a real and permanent reduction in greenhouse gas emissions,” said Mauricio Vargas, CEO of GHGS.
“GE and Google will be seeking control of Renewable Energy Credits market.
“Eric Schmidt of Google supported the Presidential candidacy of Barack Obama. Google contributed $800,000 to Obama’s campaign. Google pays 2.4% in taxes.”
Follow the money, LIBS! But, no, it’s the $5,000 given to a columnist by an oil company that’s the BIG problem, no? You idiots. You perpetually, willfully blind idiots.
echo commented:
Chiz,
Sorry, I kid my righty friends!
I only wish I wrote in such a masculine, troglodytic style.
Slappy commented:
Taqiyyotomist (#57): “But, to echo, since somebody got money or political donations of any kind from a “Health Care Company”, then all that they say is suspect. Despite the fact that all that they say is true. Since money was paid to get the truth out, and to influence legislation, then ALL IS MOOT.
Nevermind the many billions invested in destroying our entire economy, of which healthcare is a large part, by lobbyists investing in politicians for the express purpose of destroying our entire economy.”
My belief is that we obviously should monitor the money going to politicians, which is why I support full public disclosure beyond what we even require now, as this should be part of every debate on every issue. After all, it’s important for the public to know where the money is coming from that finances various groups and special interests. I’m just of the opinion that the money from special interests on opposing sides of an issue or debate — including the political parties — tend to cancel each other out over the long run so that the point of view supported by a majority of voters prevails. Of course, there are some exceptions to this as sometimes the side on the right side of an issue doesn’t prevail in the short term (such as happened with ObamaCare being passed against the wishes of a majority of the country or even Obama getting elected in ’08), but most of the time this isn’t true. Plus, we’re still early on in the battle against ObamaCare. If the individual mandate is ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court eventually, that could be the beginning of the end for the whole bill. Ultimately, that’s what I think will happen.
Granny commented:
#63 Patricia Geary – “So, Echo is of Greek descent?”
I could have sworn that last night Echo claimed that his parents came here from the Balkans. Yes, the Balkans are near Greece, but I’ve never known a Greek who would ID themselves as Balkan. That would mean he is probably one of those brought here when Yugoslavia fell apart.
echo commented:
Taq,
Orwell was a liberal, albeit one who skewered the totalitarian left as ably as he did the right.
He would thank you not to invoke him in the name of bad science, i.e, global warming denial.
Martini… dry
Chisum commented:
Echo,
Redneck? Aren’t you the one who lives in SC?
I think that you suffer from a near tragic lack of self-awareness about many aspects of yourself.
echo commented:
Patty,
I am Greek, and therefore Balkan, inasmuch as you are both American and, say, North American, or Virginian and, say, Southern. Just guessing…
cheers,
Martini is dry
echo commented:
Chiz,
Yes, we have rednecks in SC, most notably the Honorable Jim Demint. I wonder if he’s ever had an original thought beyond the most ecstatic means to pull wings off a butterfly.
So, you are generalizing redneck behavior to all South Carolinians? You do know the Great Stevie Colbert is from here, n’est-ce pas?
Tell me your home and then I will hit you with some provincial zinger.
love me more martini
Chisum commented:
Taqiy,
Don’t take echo’s word for anything.
Remember, this is the person who believed that Senator Robert KKK Byrd was a Republican and “flip-flopped” to the Democrat party. And that Byrd was never a liberal.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Now let’s review:
I wrote this:
#22 January 6, 2011 at 9:43 am
Chisum commented:
Echo,
You should tell you BFF’s on FB that Senator “KKK” Byrd was a Republican, besides being a Grand Kleagle..
That should give them a chuckle.
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You responded:
#24 January 6, 2011 at 9:55 am
echo commented:
Chiz,
So he was. It’s great that he flip-flopped the way he did, isn’t it? Flip-Flopping can be a beautiful thing. I don’t think Byrd ever became a Lib; he merely had the good sense to oppose the Iraq War! Man, I can’t believe I didn’t invest in all the war-profiteering firms in my state of SC, for it was a done deal that we would invade those folks and make lots of money for everyone (“everyone” — handful of corporations and their suppliers).
echo, jr
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It can all be found here:
http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/2011/01/turkish-man-overpowered-by-passengers-after-attempting-to-hijack-plane/#comment-228984
Taqiyy. commented:
Oh, I followed it when it happened, Chiz. I was embarassed for poor echo, when it did. Still am, actually, since echo continues to spin what he/she so obviously said, like Pee-Wee Herman in Big Adventure when he crashed his bike: “I MEANT TO DO THAT!”
bad science = global warming denial.
All I needed to know about this person.
Granny commented:
Echo, gotta call BS on the “I am Greek and therefor Balkan.” Sorry – does not fly. The Greeks and the “Balkans” have been at war with each other for well over 100 years. In a pig’s eye any Greek would identify themselves as “Balkan.” Liar, liar pants on fire.
ravenhairedmaid commented:
This from the same CBO that had to revise its original estimate of obamacare cost to over a trillion dollars:
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2010/05/obamas-health-care-tab-may-top-1-trillion/1
AND
whose estimates of obamacare were, um, “off,” WAAAAAYYYY off—by 578%, to be exact:
http://www.verumserum.com/?p=18038
Chisum commented:
I told you guys that echo is a terrible liar.
Taqiyy. commented:
Hey, Granny, remember: Ward Churchill identified himself with the preferred local victim group, the Native American.
A Lib is a Lib. Maybe the Greeks’ preferred local victim group is the Balkan?
Sure would fit the M.O.
Which “ethnic” groups do the Greek academics side with in their bias? The Greeks? Or those whose violence they have been defending against, or, alternatively, ignoring for the sake of Political Correctness?
Taqiyy. commented:
Or maybe echo’s a Balkan Muslim, and will no doubt soon be featured in a “shopping mall shotgun rampage” sometime soon in America?
Who knows. Who knows?
Chisum commented:
Maybe echo is a “balkanized” Greek.
Granny commented:
We have a bunch of Balkan refugees in my neck of the woods Taq. And you hit it right on the money – they are every one muslim. They are also mostly blonde/blue.
Taqiyy. commented:
Granny:
Thanks. Discernment can’t be bought. Good thing… I’m broke.
NC Cop commented:
Echo the troll is back!!!!! LOL!
You can’t argue with him you peasants, he’s a TEACHER you know!!!!
Chisum commented:
Hey echo,
Where’s a mixologist when you need one, eh?
You and your martini are all wet.
RedBeard commented:
I reach my limit of tolerance quickly when overdosed with failed attempts at witty repartee, particularly when coming from a leftist troll. There’s nothing cute, nor endearing, about a person who wants to turn America into a socialist swamp.
Chisum commented:
A “balkanized” Greek?
One part man; one part woman; one part “the hell if I know”!
Taqiyy. commented:
RedBeard
That Witty Repartee is the only mitigating factor with this troll, I’m afraid.
Put it this way, he hasn’t said “Faux News” yet, afaik. SO, a couple notches above the average under-bridge-dweller.
echo commented:
Cop Daddy,
you shouldn’t make fun of or discredit the institution of teaching.
Chiz,
if i ever said that Byrd was a Republican, then I misspoke, for I absolutely know that he is and was a Dem; what I probably meant to say was that he used to be ultra-conservative, and then became more of a Blue Dog Dem— I don’t know that his correct and salient vision about Iraq qualifies as his being liberal, but whatever… I would never knowingly lie about something like that– i mean, what, do you think that i don’t know that you could look up the fact that he was a Dem when he was clandestinely aligned? I may not agree with you cats about politics but I shan’t lie or make up stuff (beyond martini consumption) for the Hell of it.
Taq,
I am not a Muslim, but I have known the love of a Muslim woman, and let me tell you: “There’s passion beneath the Burqa!”
What else….
Oh, yeah, listen, Greece IS in the Balkans, although some folks would say that the Balkan line doesn’t extend that far South. Whatever, i have no particular allegiance to that region. I believe that you guys can easily verify that Greece is a Balkan nation, or perhaps, rightly, y’all think Greece is too cool to associated with the likes of Albania, Bulgaria, et al.
Okay, I bid you good night, until I unveil my newest Palin joke on Monday.
Martini is about to become less dry.
echo commented:
RedBeard,
I don’t hope for a socialistic swamp, just more socialistic measures; capitalism could be a beautiful thing again! We just have to fetter the self-serving, corporatist wonks, whose love of the bottom-line/cost-benefit analysis trumps their love for humanity, ecology, art, education, and scantily clad dames in magazines.
Jesus was a socialist, by the way, but would prove to be more moderate in a broad-shouldered, multi-amped nation like ours.
Martini is dry, Jesus wine is red.
Taqiyy. commented:
Still spinning, echo? You can’t erase what was said, no matter how hard you try. Just admit it, and your standing will go up from there: you knew nothing about Byrd’s party affiliation, and you “went with the flow”, or you “bit the hook”, and “a swing and a miss!” occurred.
Happens to the best of us. Those of us who admit our ignorance come out on top.
Taqiyy. commented:
“if i ever said that Byrd was a Republican,”
No, see. You DID. No IF about it. Thing about the digital age, you can go back and see for yourself that you actually did say, “So he was.” in response to Chisum’s “You should tell you BFF’s on FB that Senator “KKK” Byrd was a Republican, besides being a Grand Kleagle..’
We are in the digital age now, echo. There is no “IF”. If you think there is, which you apparantly do, you may also be acutely aware that your argument now depends on what the meaning of the word “is” is. If you catch my drift.
echo commented:
MEa Culpa,
Chiz,
my apologies for not reading your earlier post where you showed our exchange. I see what got your panties in a wad— I agreed in my earlier reply with you when you facetiously intimated that Byrd was a Republican… i get it, now. I didn’t realize I was acquiescing to such a misrepresentation. More simply— I didn’t fully register your words. It happens here in Punditia, as in the real world. So, yeah, I don’t think Byrd was a Republican; however, he WAS conservative, wasn’t he? Trying to conserve to some seemingly cherished tradition— keeping the black man down.
I do believe OJ Simpson was guilty, btw. I don’t knee-jerk, like some of the folks herein.
Dig?
Martini is wet.
Taqiyy. commented:
“clandestinely aligned.”
ROTFLOL!!
Love ya, RedBeard, but I’m tellin’ ya. This is entertainment. Ahhhahahahaaaaaaaaaaa!
Chisum commented:
Oh look. It’s all clear to me now.
echo is misunderstood. We didn’t read what he wrote and he didn’t write what we read.
See how easy that was?
And echo is NOT a transexual. No sir! He has proven beyond a doubt that not only is he heterosexual, he’s a sensitive heterosexual. The type of heterosexual that concerns himself with the right of homosexuals to marry. Even going so far as to assert that it is a “civil right”. Very commendable. Many many heterosexual men are concerned about the “plight” of homosexuals.
Echo would never resort to that troll-like behavior of victimology. No sir! He’s above that.
He takes his beat downs like a man.
tommy mc donnell commented:
hey echo how about the legal-judicial complex?
bg commented:
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to whoever it was that mentioned war profiteers..
just fyi:
Congress Invested in Defense Contracts
[The nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics has calculated that more than 151 members of Congress have up to $195 million invested in major defense contractors that are earning profits from the US military occupations in Iraq and Afghanistan.
[..]
Lawmakers aren’t just benefiting from the defense sector personally, but also politically. In the first three months of 2009, the defense sector gave nearly $2 million to candidates, party committees and political action committees, with 57 percent of that going to Democrats. In the 2008 election cycle, the sector gave $23.5 million. Rep. John Murtha (D-Penn.), House Defense Appropriations Subcommittee chairman, has collected more money from the sector than any other lawmaker since 1989 at $2.6 million.]
[disclaimer: not exactly written "in context" so to speak..]
just a sample: here and here and here.. he got away
with so much, hope he’s enjoying Saddam’s hospitality..
flashback to my favorite read, give it a try, imho, it’s a real eye opener..
The War Against The Saudis
[DEMOCRATS TAKE THE LEAD
The response to this has been fierce, and Congressional Democrats have been particularly bellicose, with Senator Joseph Lieberman, a putative presidential contender, going so far as to declare that a "theological iron curtain" was falling over the Arab world, including Saudi Arabia. Senator Carl Levin (D-Michigan), powerful chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, took up this "cold war" theme with some particularly hot rhetoric, saying he had "an uneasy feeling" that the Saudis were coddling Islamic terrorists and that American forces were "not particularly wanted" there:
[..]
THE ROCKEFELLER CONNECTION
In return for US aid and support for the House of Saud, King Ibn Saud granted Aramco a monopoly over the production of Saudi oil at the end of World War II. Aramco is a consortium of companies, with Exxon, Mobil, and Socal – all Rockefeller-connected – granted 70 percent ownership, and Texaco granted the rest. A premier example of crony capitalism, the Rockefeller-Saudi alliance translated into multi-millions in subsidies through the Export-Import Bank, so that the King could build his own personal railroad from his capital to the summer palace. Franklin Roosevelt took money out of the war budget to prepare the way for Rockefeller’s pipelines. In return, the Saudis granted the US an airbase at Dharan, conveniently near the oil fields. Smalltime capitalists hire private security guards to protect their property, but the big boys – or, at least, some of them – have the use of the American military.
[..]
TWO CAN PLAY
A very interesting comment, that last: what are these “competing projects”? This is none other than the Transcaucasian “Silk Road” pipeline project, slated to extend from the Caspian Sea oilfields to Turkey, and perhaps down through Afghanistan to the Indian Ocean. This project has long been on the drawing boards, and the Clinton administration took it up with alacrity, even going so far as to set up a special department to facilitate its creation. If the foreign oil companies were going to try to go around them, said the Prince in so many words, then two could play that game:
[..]
BUSH PAYS THE PRICE
So far, President Bush has made it plain that he does not mean to wage war on Islam, and for that he is being made to pay a price. While his State Department is struggling to undo the damage done by the anti-Saudi media and the Lieberman-Levine assault in Congress, a grand coalition of left and right is pushing for World War III in the Middle East – a war that, given the presence of Pakistan and India (not to mention Israel) in the equation, could quickly go nuclear.]
more at link..
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Chisum commented:
#
#97 January 7, 2011 at 7:17 pm
tommy mc donnell commented:
hey echo how about the legal-judicial complex?
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Now Tommy, don’t confuse echo. In case you haven’t noticed he’s sensitive.
Taqiyy. commented:
Ah, echo. The parties musta “switched roles.” Is that it?
You know, quite obviously, nothing about the Democrats, the liberals, and the progressives.
They created the KKK in order to kill black Republicans and the whites who supported them. They passed every single racist “whites only lunch counters” law this nation ever had. They tried to block, en masse, every single piece of civil rights legislation ever passed. If you were to ask the Rev. MLK, Jr. why he was a Republican, he would have laughed in your face and then asked if you had ever read a single thing in your life. He would have referenced the party affiliation – (D), in case you were wondering — of every firehose-wielding cop, every dog-siccing mf-er, and every single cross-burning, “Strange Fruit”-growing a&&hole who ever attacked a black man for getting “uppity”.
You have absolutely no clue about race and Party in America — or you DO, and are so embarassed at your idol-Party’s role in “keeping the black man down” — that you have to invent inversions like they teach in Universities’ “black studies” programs, such as the idiotic myth that “conservative” and “liberal” somehow magically reversed roles.
Do the Republicans then control every single inner-city ‘hood in America? Do the Republicans also completely control every single public school in America? Do the Republicans now keep the black man down with welfare and other entitlements? Did the Republicans start and now control every single black-baby killing Planned-Parenthood office in every single ghetto in America?
Now, as ever for Democrats and Libs and Progressives, teaching blacks to read and write is a sin, a crime, and verboten. Now, as ever, keeping the blacks in America angry and voting Democrat (through deception and, as I mentioned, mis-education).
You are a deluded soul, echo. You should read Kevin Jackson’s “The Big Black Lie” sometime. He’s black too, so, you can trust him. /s
donh commented:
Obamacare is nothing but a scam tax in disguise of an insurance premium. Government like some mafia crime family wants to muscle in on the insurance business, grab the the hundreds of billions collected on private insurance premiums, and soend it to sustain their old failing FDR utopia . When you get sick and need healthcare, the premium you have been paying for will be found worthless as a three dollar bill. You won’t get access to the services you paid for in advance. Hospitals will become a DMV from hell staffed with nurses who did their residancy in abortion clinics . Their stone hearts will be trained to block out the groans of people rotting in the hallways . They won’t give a damn when people drop dead waiting as to them human suffering is a shared sacrifice toward their retirement at 55 with 6 figure pensions.
echo commented:
Chiz,
Yes, I am a sensitive hetero with a jack-booted wit and a mahogany aura. i just wanted to see how antiquated your thought was: Do you think gays have equal rights? it is easy for you now to look back and see that segregation was wrong, but had you been around then, part of the right-wing amen corner, would you have the stones to stand up to your fellow neanderthals? would you, Chiz, or are you just a Chiz d*ck? why do you hate the gays? I support them, because I know that that could have been me, given the fact that it’s inborn. it’s an old story, but i keep thinking you homophobes would rather, deep down, be with Eric Roberts than Julia Roberts.
why the hatred of the gays? why would you diss the disenfranchised, Chiz? de-friend the friendless? would you stand for oppressed minorities back in the day? hindsight is 50-50, as you know. years from now, people will note the folly of anti-gay bias, the criminalization of marijuana, and the fact pols acted supremely on the orders of corporate donors. i like to have courage when it’s most needed: in the fact of the revolving door of unevolved, revolver-carrying brown shirts.
Nah, not really.
MArtini is drying…
Chisum commented:
Echo,
See, I knew you were confused! You truly do have a reading comprehension problem, don’t you?
I said I thought your concerns for the homosexual community was very commendable. I never indicated by word or deed that I hate homosexuals. Put you hyperinflated outrage away. It’s misplaced.
Or could this be a troll-like ploy to try to put me on the defensive and thereby redirect the attention away from yourself and your too numerous verbal faux pas?
You wouldn’t be trying to change the subject, would you?
W. Joy commented:
I hate Obamacare! I will hate it as long as I live! I do not want the Government in my healthcare. Look at all of the social programs the Dems have passed — Social Security (where is the lockbox with all of the money?), Medicare and Medicaid (weren’t the original estimated costs less than 1/10 or 1/20 of the real cost?), and the War on Poverty (how much money have we poured into that program only to have the level of poverty increase?). All of these programs would be deemed failures if they were run by a private business rather than our GOVERNMENT! Do you really trust our Government to provide you healthcare when the Unions need money?
echo commented:
taq,
as i said once before, but God knows in which forum, I am not a knee-jerk lib— i apply critical thinking to every occasion, though passion and humanity represent constant handmaidens. I read Mr. LArry Elder’s book about race, and I tend to agree with him, and most conservative Af-Ams about the big issues. Would love to read that book.
however, i can’t believe you are trying to ram some kind of revisionist crap down our throats about how the liberals were responsible for the KKK and the stymieing of civil rights…. i understand if you have a conspiracy to sell about how it’s in libs’ best interest to keep blacks poor and angry, but as far as the official picture and basis in reality of what liberals do, keeping blacks down is not it. that dog neither hunts nor fishes. i have to go, but will re-read your comments and try to understand what you are saying…
Taqiyy. commented:
I guess it must be the Republicans, and conservatives, in America right now who constantly and publicly state their wish to hold black Americans to a lesser standard of human decency, by not prosecuting them for crimes such as rape, murder, theft, and mayhem, since, you know, “they’re BLACK, they CAN”T HELP THEMSELVES.”
Since they’re, basically, just animals. Must be the Conservatives who hold this view. Must be, since the parties and “conservative” and “liberal” SWITCHED ROLES. That’s what college profs tell me. All those Conservative college profs, who think blacks are animals, and therefore should not be held up to the standards that we hold “real human” races.
Right, echo? They switched roles, right?
Henry Hawkins commented:
Echo, which comes easier to you, criticizing others or self examination?
NC Cop commented:
“you shouldn’t make fun of or discredit the institution of teaching.”
Oh, I’m not. I’m making fun and discrediting you, but then again you’re doing it for me.
Chisum commented:
echo,
I knew you were sensitive. I didn’t realize how sensitive. Wow! You are really really sensitive about the isues of the homosexual community.
I mean, look….no more witty repartee. What happened?
Chisum commented:
#107 January 7, 2011 at 7:41 pm
Henry Hawkins commented:
Echo, which comes easier to you, criticizing others or self examination?
===================================================
You forgot option three: LYING
Taqiyy. commented:
The revisionism is what you’re spouting, echo.
Been repeated nearly forty years now. In a Stalinesque sorta way — to the point where you believe that the truth of history is revisionist.
Dems own the ghettos, and control them. Dems own the schools, K-PhD. Dems own the mass media, including the Rap which simultaneously invokes anger at the conditions in the ghetto, and PRIDE at living in the ghetto. Dems OWN the plight of the black American.
“I’ll have those (n-words) voting Democrat for the next two hundred years.” — Democrat Lyndon B. Johnson, just prior to his “Great Society”, and just after JFK was killed by a hard-left communist named Lee Harvey, and just after the media convinced gullible America, by lying, that he was killed by an Angry White Southern REPUBLICAN CONSERVATIVE.
You know absolutely nothing about which you speak, echo.
Chisum commented:
Taqiy,
One hopes the only subject echo teaches is basketweaving.
NC Cop commented:
Don’t bother Taqiyy. In another thread that Echo tried to hijack I showed him that stat that democrats have stood against more civil rights legislation than Republicans.
It doesn’t matter to him. Like most liberals, the truth and facts are completely irrelevant.
bg commented:
++
lecho my echo #94
re: [Jesus was a socialist]
rotflmbo!!
just a sample:
Jesus was no pacifist, and certainly not a socialist..
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Taqiyy. commented:
BG, you are a wealth of links. I wish I could browse your bookmarks folder, but then, it would probably be confusing as hell to me. Best as it is, in context, given a couple links at a time, when relevant. You are a GP treasure.
bg commented:
++
Taqiyy. #115
lol & thanks..
however, i mostly pick them up fresh so to speak..
if i get stuck.. then i have to consult my nightmare files
(where nothing is in order, never mind properly marked)..
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Taqiyy. commented:
Re: bg’s bookmarks folder
Do you have a firefox plugin to manage them all? How are they arranged? And I wonder about the hierarchy and folder structure.
You SHOULD have a big-a&& 1 Terabyte external hard-drive, IMO, and you SHOULD be backing all these pages and videos up, onto that drive. If you don’t know how to back up a youtube vid, you should look into getting a firefox plugin, or RealPlayer, which, when integrated into your browser, will enable you to actually save these vids to your own drive. Links are nothing unless you own the material on your own system — in the event of a catastrophic end to the internet as we know it. And this could happen.
When the internet is gone for the average prole — which seems likely, since truth is anathema to the progs who rule now — your external HD will be a treasure trove — and printers will still function, and distributors of the New American Samizdat will be a-walkin’, tossing out these articles in hard form like Johnny freakin’ Appleseed.
“Be Prepared.” –Boy Scout Motto
God bless you, bg.
Henry Hawkins commented:
The 1964 Civil Rights Act wasn’t passed in a single vote. Like recent legislation, there were House and Senate versions voted on and amended before a final version was passed. It went like this:
In the House version of the bill, 96 Dems voted against it compared to 34 Repubs. Those 96 Dems represented over 37% of all House Dems. The 34 Repubs represented less than 20% of all House Repubs.
In the Senate version of the bill, 21 Dems voted against it compared to 6 Repubs. Those 21 Dems represented almost one-third of all Senate Dems. The 6 Repubs represented about 17% of all Senate Repubs.
The Democrat Party held both houses of this 88th US Congress. The House version of the bill passed easily in the House with 290 votes, enough to override a veto, while the House passed the Senate version of the bill almost as easily, with 289 votes. What problems there were came in the Senate, due to opposition by the ‘Southern Bloc’ made up of 18 Democrat senators and 1 Republican. It was Dems Strom Thurmond (turned Repub much later) and Robert Byrd who led a two month long filibuster against the bill’s passage in the Senate. It is Senate Minority Leader Everett Dirkson (R) who is most credited with getting the Civil Rights Act through the Senate, who, along with the Californian Repub Senator (whose name escapes me now) rewrote the bill to end the filibuster, sponsored the new bill with Majority leadership Mike Mansfield and Hubert Humphrey, and it finally passed the Senate to be signed into law by LBJ.
As I’ve said before, the Civil Rights bill passed not because of Democrats, but in spite of Democrats.
Interestly, JFK’s attempts in 1963 to get the bill moving in congress was met with lukewarm enthusiasm on most sides, and outright animosity from southern Dem segregationists. LBJ was able to get it moving in 1964 by appealing to congressional members to consider what the deceased JKF would have wanted. Sound familiar? 46 years later in 2010, the usefulness of appealing to a dead Kennedy was still recalled by the Democrat Party – the name of deceased Senator Ted Kennedy was repeatedly invoked to prod passage of Obamacare.
Henry Hawkins commented:
Correction: Thurmond converted to (R) NOT much later, but in 1964 to join Barry Goldwater in opposition to Civil rights Act and other Goldwater agenda items.
Taqiyy. commented:
LOL, bg.
I always imagined that you had Firefox with a bookmark folder, which contained an alphebetized set of Topical folders, within each another set of also-alphebetized folders of sub-topics, and a mind toward the structure of it all, ready to pull up a link of your choosing at will, in a couple seconds.
LOL, and I can’t imagine if you did, now that you say it’s not like that.
You’d have a helluva blog, if you did so. I have a seriously huge collection of links, but, unlike yourself, not many of them are “vids”, but mostly either comment threads or, in my “READ” folder, things like (randomly selecting):
http://www.gloria-center.org/meria/2009/12/landes1.html
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/ignatius/exercises.iv.html
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/10/08/hal-lewis-my-resignation-from-the-american-physical-society/
Lots of reading material, not much watching material. That bit you linked to about the African slave trade and Mali and such, I would have absorbed much more efficiently if it were presented as an essay, sans music and moving words. Not that the music was bad!
Taqiyy. commented:
Thanks, Henry. I wish I could explain it, what I “know”, in stats like that, but my mind isn’t geared like that. I can’t remember stats, and names, and dates, and percentages. I just know what’s what without the ability to prove it to anyone.
Wishing I could take back my “mostly-black-school” education, where the Dems didn’t think our school should be taught how to learn and memorize and study (because, naturally, blacks are incapable of such thought, and it would be cruel, of course, to expect them to try….). and that I had a mind for details and memory and stats. We got the shaft in my school, because we were “ghetto”, and so was our school board.
I can read what you just wrote a thousand and one times, and come to a logical conclusion based on what I read, but I cannot repeat it to anyone, because I can barely remember what the hell details I just read. All I know is that (R) passed every civil rights law, and (D) fought against every civil rights law.
My feeble-for-details mind, I blame on my Democrat-run school, and, to a lesser degree, on MGD. My discernment, I blame on my Dad, and on my God. Thanks to both!
Try Again commented:
Oh, so you’re quoting the CBO today? Yesterday you hated them.
You’re all confused.
The reason we would “save” $540B is because 32 million Americans would go without healthcare. So if they don’t get care the money for their care is never spent.
Heck, we could “save” trillions by spending nothing on healthcare! But of course nobody would consider that to be a savings, just like denial of healthcare to 32 million Americans isn’t a real savings. If you want to save money by denying care then you care more about money than human life.
Nice try!
Henry Hawkins commented:
Hold your breath, Punky. Republicans aren’t done yet. I know Conventional Wisdom tells libsters the Repubs have no plans, but that’s a lie you’ve swallowed. It’s coming, but first we get rid of Obamacare.
Chisum commented:
Try Again,
5 Reasons Why Repealing Obamacare Will Not Increase the Deficit
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/01/07/reasons-repealing-obamacare-increase-deficit/
Try again, twit.
Chisum commented:
Buckle Up for Round 2
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/07/opinion/07brooks.html?_r=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
NC Cop commented:
“Oh, so you’re quoting the CBO today? Yesterday you hated them.”
Don’t recall anyone saying they hated the CBO. I do recall people mentioning how the CBO tends to “revise” it’s original estimates quite often, especially when dealing with Obamacare.
“The reason we would “save” $540B is because 32 million Americans would go without healthcare.”
First its 32 million then it’s 41 million, you guys can’t make up your mind how many people it would cover, can you? Not to mention that there’s NO public option for Obamacare meaning there will STILL be people uncovered.
Did you actually read anything about Obamacare or did you just take Nancy Pelosi’s word for it?
Chisum commented:
I’m still waiting for my health insurance premium to go down by 3000%.
http://www.cnsnews.com/node/62916
GLM In Ohio commented:
Wow … glad I didn’t step into THIS pile of crap here today. The trolls must have issued a call to arms or something … I really admire you guys for slugging it out with them. I would have pitched in to help, but like many conservatives, I had to work so I could feed myself and my family today. Now, I just don’t have any energy left to beat my head against the liberal wall.
No matter though … one day these morons will figure out that if we win, they lose, and if they win, then they REALLY lose. That’s a pretty miserable position to be in if you ask me …
Slappy commented:
Try Again (#122): “The reason we would “save” $540B is because 32 million Americans would go without healthcare. So if they don’t get care the money for their care is never spent.”
Congratulations, you’re another liberal who conflates healthcare with health insurance. Do you even know the difference between the two? Do you absolutely need the latter to receive the former? Moreover, a good number of those 30+ million Americans — which is an inflated number because it includes people that are without insurance for short periods of time each year — willingly decide not to buy health insurance and also don’t enthusiastically support ObamaCare. Some even spend money on frivolous items and activities that they could allocate towards purchasing health insurance. I’m sure that you and virtually everyone else here personally knows people that buys non-essential items instead of more important or even essential items. I have no problem with them spending their money the way they want to but you and other do-gooders need to stop trying to make us all chip in for their health insurance (and see our coverage suffer) while they go on vacations, buy motor boats, and eat out 5 nights a week.
Try Again (#122): “Heck, we could “save” trillions by spending nothing on healthcare! But of course nobody would consider that to be a savings, just like denial of healthcare to 32 million Americans isn’t a real savings.”
Your first sentence about “spending nothing on healthcare” is sophomoric and idiotic beyond belief. It’s like the idiotic hyperbolic argument from the Left about conservatives wanting to cut marginal tax rates to zero. No one is saying that we eliminate healthcare spending and you know it. But are you even willing to admit that there is a finite amount of money to spend in this country and that we’re already spending much more than we can afford to, just as the baby boomer generation starts collecting their Social Security checks? Since we always hear the sad stories about people needing catastrophic care for medical emergencies, how about we focus on ensuring that those with less financial means have access to something like that? That probably would be feasible without upending the entire health care system and creating worse care for the vast majority of the country that is happy with their healthcare and health insurance. Or how about looking at ways to end employers involvement in health insurance so that people could purchase insurance like we do auto and home insurance?
Your comment about “denial of healthcare” is equally moronic. Once again, you’re conflating healthcare with health insurance. So, because we’re not all forced to purchase health insurance, others are being denied health insurance? You know you could use that same idiotic argument for every product people want, including others that are even more essential than health insurance (e.g., food, water, place to live, etc.). So, by others not spending more of their own hard-earned money to buy certain products/services for other people, they are denying them that product/service, right? You know, you are able to give anyone you want to some of your own money so that they can get “healthcare.” Or are you only benevolent with the money of others? Perhaps you should run for Congress as you have their mentality down pat. Seriously, how much of your own hard-earned cash do you donate to various causes to help others?
Try Again (#122): “If you want to save money by denying care then you care more about money than human life.”
Well, if you want those who pay for the health insurance for themselves and their loved ones to sacrifice their care and lives by spending more to receive worse care, then you care more about your selfishness than their lives. Yeah, you’re a real compassionate person…with other people’s money. As I see it, you apparently care more about spending other people’s money than you care about the financial future of this country. Health care won’t mean much to our children and grandchildren if the country sees Carter-like hyperinflation, ridiculously high interest rates for lending, and the country defaults on his debt, will it? If ObamaCare wasn’t expected to have a deleterious impact on our country’s financial situation, why do you think the Democrats had to use budget tricks to obscure its true cost to get it passed in Congress anyway?
Who’s denying care? Once again, it seems to me that you seem to care more about your own money than human life as you don’t seem so quick to give up some of your own to help others pay for health insurance. Instead, you want everyone else to be forced to give up their hard-earned money by guilting them into feeling obligated to do so by supporting the economy crushing ObamaCare. Moreover, you once again are conflating health care with health insurance. To coin your phrase, “Nice try!”
Taqiyyotomist commented:
Slappy
Slappin’ ‘em down! NICE COMMENT! BAM! GOES THE NIGHTSTICK!
Damn that was a refresher. Like pure, clean, cool air for the brain.
Stick around with that kind of action!
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I get irritated at folks who assume that every commenter who is wrong about an issue, is a TROLL, and therefore deserves only a “GTFO, TROLL! You SuCK!”
That comment, and if others would follow suit, will change minds. Which is what commenting should be, IMHO. Why bother commenting on something, spending the time typing and editing, if you’re not in it to change minds? Just to banter with likeminded conservatives, and nod “yes, yes” to other likeminded conservatives, and shout “GTFO, IDIOT” to those who don’t see it your way? You’re not going to change many minds with that technique, and, in fact, you’ll turn away those who could have been drafted into our army. Thanks a BUNCH to those who prefer that method. Full-sarcasm-engaged.
SLAPPY SHOWS US HOW IT’S DONE!
DAve commented:
In the end Obamacare comes down to how far the American people are willing to force their children and grandchildren into debt to provide free healthcare for illegal aliens.
The potential for which is effectively unlimited- – -
HEY fun test for racism:
Ask a Hispanic American whether they believe in supplying free healthcare as well to say 15 million Chinese illegal aliens.
Results may not surprise you but they won’t cheer you up
AuntieMadder commented:
Taqiyyotomist, I’m a Slappy fan, too. Slappy rules.
That said, don’t go dismissing the value of a well-timed and earned “GTFO, TROLL! You SuCK!” That is, after all, my specialty.
Taqiyyotomist commented:
Hey, Auntie, I’ve been known to issue a “Go screw yourself with a giant, 50′ reinforced concrete phallus, no lube!” myself, to certain trolls. Antisemites and racists, mainly, because I’ve never once been able to convince one that antisemitism and racism are just plain evil and wrong.
I hear ya! Gotta pick your ammo for the target.
Dan commented:
Echo,
You should go back to Greece. We are done with socialists like you.
RedBeard commented:
Echo says, “I am not a knee-jerk lib…” No, of course he/she is not. He/she only grabs hold of every single liberal talking point and runs with it. No jerking knee, though. Oh, no.
Of course this litany of liberal spewing points is peppered with failed attempts to sound reasonable, such as the pathetic and contradictory paean to Larry Elder. Here is what Echo stated: “I read Mr. LArry Elder’s book about race, and I tend to agree with him, and most conservative Af-Ams about the big issues. Would love to read that book.” Got that? Echo would love to read a book that he/she has already read, written by a man who is the antipode of Echo on every point of significance.
Adding to the prevarications is the laughable assertion that Echo agrees with Elder. On what subject, I wonder? The weather? Beans or no beans in the chili? Certainly not on anything of any political or social significance. This is simply another ruse by Echo to create a false impression of a reasonable debate opponent, when in fact he/she is still nothing but a leftist troll on a mission.
The Fire Buddha commented:
Aqua Buddha is my biotch. He gets all steamed up when I own him and spouts about 230 billion blah blah blah pisssssh…
Mohamed commented:
Echo, you have no intelligence and you sound like a twat, get out of here.
NC Cop commented:
“Echo, you have no intelligence and you sound like a twat, get out of here.”
That’s pretty much straightforward!!!!!!!!! Not much gray area in that comment!!!!
Byzantine Bob commented:
Very Good, NC Cop! Bow before Mohamed and his Sudden and Final Revelation!
A reminder for sundry, if not all…! Gateway Pundit “Comment Policy”:
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Maybe those who can’t so intelligent discourse, but resort to insults, should “get out”…?
:/
Byzantine Bob commented:
“intelligently,” that is. Forgive my stupidity, I beg.
echo commented:
RedBeard,
Do you think I am lying about reading and appreciating Larry Elder’s book about race? Why would I do it? To ingratiate myself to the likes of you?
I try to see things critically, and i tend to side with conservatives on 69% issues of race. I love Bill Maher’s show, but i wince when they advanced baseless comments such as “the disproportionate number of blacks in prison is because of the racism in the police force.”
What balderdash! There may be sociological reasons for the high crime rate among AF-Am’s but a few racist white cops can’t slant the curve that much!!!! MEanwhile, I do agree with Maher on most other things, including the need for good nutrition, the lameness of Ann Coulter (though he did sleep with her, which makes him a hypocrite), the wimpiness of Dems, and the debacle that was the Bush presidency.
echo commented:
RedBeard,
You misunderstand what I wrote Friday night. I meant I would love the book on race advanced by one of the other posters— I need to find out which one and go get it. I didn’t mean that I need to read the Elder book, for I have read it.
That is all.
Martini is dry.
Chisum commented:
Echo,
This is just for you.
ann coulter exclusive sex tape
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96HwPm814oY
bg commented:
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Taqiyy. #120
is this the one you’re talking about??
it is always wise for people to check out info provided by any source.. ie:
via video, and/or do their own research, iow: check out the info provided
in the video itself.. ie: and Escape From Slavery by Francos Bok..
more truths..
[From 1609 until the early 1800s, between one half and two thirds of all the White colonists who came to the New World came as slaves. White slaves cleared the forests, drained the swamps, built the roads, sweated in the fields, and died like flies in hellish factories. Owned like property, they had no rights nor recourse to the law. Fugitive slave laws applied to them just as to Blacks if they should flee their masters. Black slaves were expensive, and though at times cruelly used, were not often used beyond the limits of human endurance. That would have been a waste of a costly investment. White slaves, however, consisting of the poor and unwanted "surplus population" of Britain, were available for nearly nothing, just a few pence for a thug to billyclub them and shanghai them aboard a westward-bound vessel. Thus they were expendable.]
i’m a total computer dunce, don’t even understand what you stated about
files & such.. honestly, if it weren’t for my dear sil, i wouldn’t know how to
turn this contraption on..
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bg commented:
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oooh, i see the kids are back to having fun playing their ‘out quip’ tag
game to the point of annihilating the troll v non-troll discernment line..
damn truth & facts..
it’s fun fun fun til Obama takes our keyboards away..
hmmm, perhaps..
keyboarders just wanna have fun would be better??
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bg commented:
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btw Taq et al, you have to allow me some slack here, i
mean, i just fell off the back of a turnip truck ya know..
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