ENRAGED LEFTISTS Force University to Nix Bristol Palin Campus Appearance (Video)
Posted by Jim Hoft on Friday, January 28, 2011, 5:45 AM
After an uproar by the far left, Bistol Palin will not be speaking at Washington University in St. Louis after all.
The young leftists were enraged that a Palin would be speaking at their university.
Students pack Wednesday night’s Student Union Senate meeting to speak out against Bristol Palin’s selection as the keynote speaker for Sexual Responsibility Week. Following student dissent, Palin and SU mutually decided that Palin would not speak on campus. (Student Life)
The Student Health Advisory Committee said they believe the controversy over her appearance would overshadow the topics they hope to discuss.
FOX 2 St. Louis reported:
Washington University stripped Bristol Palin from her invitation to speak on campus last night. She was the conservative voice on the panel.
The St. Louis Post Dispatch reported:
Anger over a decision to pay Bristol Palin several thousand dollars in student fees to talk to Washington University students about abstinence led to a decision Thursday night to nix Palin’s appearance on a panel here next month.
Washington University’s Student Health Advisory Committee had extended an invitation to Palin, a spokeswoman to prevent teen pregnancy, to speak on abstinence as part of the university’s Student Sexual Responsibility Week.
But because of a growing controversy among undergraduates over the decision to pay for her talk with student-generated funds, the advisory committee and Palin decided Thursday night “that the message that they intended on sharing would be overshadowed by controversy,” according to a university statement.
Scott Elman, president of the advisory committee, said the decision to halt Palin’s appearance as a keynote speaker was “100 percent mutual” between Palin and the committee. Elman added that he was very disappointed that students weren’t more open to having Palin speak.
Palin – the daughter of Sarah Palin, former GOP vice presidential candidate – became pregnant at 17 and is a single mom to a 2-year-old boy.
Once again campus leftists turn away an opposing voice.
Of course, Washington University has a long history of allowing controversial leftist speakers to speak freely on campus. Commie-Truther Van Jones spoke at Wash U in November.
UPDATE: Of course, this is the same university that has no problem instructing students on how to give the best bl*w job.
Priorities matter.
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Chisum commented:
I wonder how she would be received by these students if she had had an abortion and wrote a book about the experience.
John commented:
I love the smell of liberal open-mindedness in the morning.
We see this time and time again in all sorts of venues. The left can’t make a rational argument for or against something so they insist the discussion be closed.
myohmy commented:
Colleges education is No.# 38 in the ranking. What does it tells you?
Khan Krum commented:
The usual left-wing response to dissent: silence your opponents by any means necessary. God, how sick I am of the American Mandarinate. Just think, this is our tax dollars at work. We need to pull the plug on their funds and let them fend for themselves. To put it into their terms, it’s time to send them to the countryside for re-education, as it were.
NavyMom commented:
Ah, the oh-so-tolerant left.
MN Jim commented:
When was the last time you heard of a conservative demonstration that stopped a liberal, marxist, communist from speaking on a college campus? It just doesn’t happen. To libs, free speech only applies to them.
jess commented:
“Tolerance” on display again. Sigh.
FWIW, WaU did not “strip” Bristol of anything – they reneged on their offer.
Everyone should be thrilled at the show provided by your tax dollars*
*yes, I know WaU is a “private” school. I also know that they cannot operate w/o heavy subsidies from local, state, & federal funds – they are one of the worst “private” college offenders of that term…
Carbon Pootprint commented:
poor little weak minded liberals are afraid to hear the other side.
The All Real Numbers Symbol commented:
Makes you wondser how much Mom and Dad had to fork over to pay for Dem Voter Jr. to go to that college. gee, I wish I could have a hissy fit and have these liberals be made to shut up.
Anita commented:
Dr.Helen (Instawife) links an interesting article ->
Why Life Sucks for College Freshmen.
nadadhimmi commented:
Just like Orwell’s bleating sheep. Just wait until Obama’s student loan rules kick in. These little bastards will have their incomes garnished to pay student loans FIRST, then taxes to support the “great society” they so ardently desire. Then, struggle on with the pitiful pittance remaining. Oh yes, it will be a thing to behold. Except the rich ones that mommy and daddy pay for: they’ll “get theirs” at the death tax the dems so badly want.
Lemonaide commented:
Who better to speak to the devastation of alcoholism or drug addiction than one in recovery? Who better to give advice on home security than a former burglar? Who better to speak to the merits of abstinence than someone who has experienced consequences in their own life? These privileged little elites don’t want to hear real world truth because it conflicts with their leftist ideology. And because Palin and her family regularly call them out on their hypocracy.
John Fembup commented:
I’m a WU alum from the 1970′s – A.B. (E. Lit.) and M.A.(mathematics).
I intend to send both my diplomas back to this “University” and ask them to remove my name from their alumni donor mailing list.
bg commented:
++
O’gressivism, the party of compassion, tolerance, love, peace and social
justice.. oh wait.. believe i’m confusing them with O’slamists../wtf sarc/
==
#1 AMERICAN commented:
This shouldn’t surprise anyone as these are the same idiots that elected their muslim american idol president
Dave J commented:
The total unwillingness to even try to learn something from someone with a different point of view, proves how closed minded and ignorant these progressives truly are.
Betsy Ross commented:
In the liberal mind it is always, always, always: “free speech for me but not for thee”.
MAJ Mike commented:
Another example of open discussion and civility by the LibCong. Its not like Bristol Palin is advocating something really dreadful. She’s using herself as a bad example of irresponsibility.
Say what you want, but that takes guts. More courage, apparently, than the snotty little professional students at WU. If the student body disagreed with her, just don’t attend. A boycott of offensive speakers is a common tactic. Hope Mommy and Daddy are proud of what their money is buying.
Andreas K. commented:
I’m not sure if Bristol “I got knocked up cause I think with my vagina” Palin is a proper speaker for a “Sexual Responsibility Week” (maybe on the “how not to do it), but there is this thing called free speech and if it was decided to have her, then the actions from “the usual suspects” speaks volumes.
Let her talk. What’s the point of going utterly crazy over her appearance? Other than hating her. Hating someone none of “the usual suspects” has ever met and doesn’t even know… now that’s “smart” and “progressive”.
Hmm, no, it’s not. It’s on the same level as Hitler ranting about the Jews.
Though, what the blazes is a “Sexual Responsibility Week” anyway?
Back when I was in school (and I got out in 1994) we didn’t have any of that. We didn’t even have sex ed. Strangely, we didn’t have teen pregnancies and STDs either.
Mrs. X commented:
The fact that they have “Student Sexual Responsibility Week” is a terribly sad reflection upon our society.
Just another example of “tolerance” displayed by the lefties.
Ginger commented:
Ahhhhh….Wash U ….The House of SATAN!
Carmen commented:
My daughter’s college hosted the bomber BILLY AYERS in 2009 & when I called in protest (he is a murderer and hates America) I was told that the administration of the campus had zero authority to stop a student invited guest & that anti-Ayers students would have a certain spot to stand, over 200 yards away from his event. A safety spot where he could not see them or hear them. Ayers = okay, Palin = no way. Liberal logic is the single most disgusting thing I have ever encountered. I truly believe these people may not be 100% human.
retire05 commented:
Andreas K, your totally insulting name for Bristol Palin not withstanding, if you think there were no teen pregnancies in 1994, when you claimed to have gotten out of school, you must have been in a class of THREE.
Bristol Palin made a mistake. But instead of having a Dr. Tiller shove a Messenbaum scissors in the back of her child’s skull, she is now caring for, and loving, that child. That is the objection these spoiled brats called students have for Bristol Palin. Had she had an abortion, she would have been more than welcome. And you can bet this, those same students will have no problem with some Folsom Street Parade queen coming to talk to them about what it is like to live with HIV/AIDs.
Washout U. has been a hot bed for liberal radicals since the late ’60′s. It is a school that we SouthSider kids equated with wealthy spoiled brats. It seems nothing has changed. Still a bunch of brats that think their opinions are the only valid ones and all they have done is prove the recent study that most college students can’t manage to increase their criticial thinking abilities even in four years of being indoctrinated.
Parents need to take a good hard look at the universities they are sending their kids to. Do you really want to spend $30K/yr so little Johnny can come out with a Liberal Arts degree and a closed mind?
greg commented:
A right minded investigative reporter could publish the fifty largest donors to this school and draw attention to their schools need to prevent speech that represent both sides. Taken a little further folks could be requested to contact those 50 very publicly and ask them to spend their contributions in a more fair and balanced way
Taqiyyotomist commented:
So, now who’s going to be “the conservative voice on the panel”?
Now they’ll have to go and find a conservative who likes being shouted down, spat upon, and the target of thrown food and other items. That can’t be easy.
Or, they’ll go the “Politically Incorrect” route, and pick a “conservative” who’s actually just a daily tin-foil call-in to “Coast to Coast AM with George Norry” and will be a complete parodical caracature of conservatism.
Whoever gets picked for this “role” will be the campus’ “Two minutes hate” target for that day, without question. The left is plain evil.
Vicki commented:
They didn’t want $20,000 of their activity fee given to someone they weren’t interested in hearing. Doesn’t sound like liberal suppression of free speech to me. Sounds like fiscal responsibility not to pay big bucks for something you don’t want. Something conservative about it.
jess commented:
Viki,
$20K was reported as the figure for all speakers. Do you have evidence to the contrary? If so, pls. post…
NeoKong commented:
Uh hoh please…why do we have to pretend….?
This come from the faculty first who hide like cowards behind the students.
It’s always the faculty pulling the strings.
Militant Conservative commented:
#12 nailed it. I challenge leftist world view daily. I am having an impact the conversion is slow but thier leader is helping the most. America is not a socialist country.
Mrs. X commented:
Very funny, Vicki. You know for a fact they were going to pay her that much money? According to the article, it says they were to pay her “several thousand dollars.”
There’s nothing “conservative” about the situation, except for Bristol’s message of abstinence and the fact that she gave her precious and beautiful child “life” and not death. Something the intolerant leftists don’t want to hear about.
patman commented:
You know what?
Who cares. Students are idiots and Sarah’s daughter should get a real job.
I respect Sarah a whole lot. She’s worthy of listening to. But her kid? Eh.
greg commented:
Google The John C Danforth foundation Washington University and you will see a mission statement for this newly funded foundation that purports to be the oncampus speech balancing act between religion and secularism, left and right. The first lecture a couple months ago Nov?, had a very poor attendance by the student body.
A Bristol backlash from students who demonstrated great interest has got to be the result of organized agitation. Where would Spooky dude be………
Madkangaroo commented:
Vicki, the issue is not a few dollars being spent in ways they object to, and I think you know that. College is supposed to be about learning and that requires hearing views one may not like. Moreover, conservatives see their money spent on objectionable speakers all the time w/o resorting to actions like that described. On the other hand, lefties *constantly* suppress the speech rights of conservatives with protests, theft of publications, threats and violent acts, speech codes, or administrative actions (e.g., defunding and barring organizations from campus). See http://thefire.org/ for more information.
As a group, “liberals” are the most illiberal folks around.
Vicki commented:
The agency who handles Bristol charges between $15,000 and $30, 000 per speech. Student fee money is paying for the speech. It is not a free speech issue. Government is not stifling her speech. This is a market based decision. The consumers don’t want what she is selling or they don’t want to buy it from her. They are still having the panel. They are still having the abstinence message delivered but from a public health doctor.
JKB commented:
Hey, Ho, freedom of thought has got to go
We want no ideas that challenge our indoctrination
We are the generation of medication.
We go to class, regurgitation what our professor said
An independent thought never pops in our heat
Chisum commented:
‘Civility’ just a ruse to neuter Republicans
http://hotair.com/archives/2011/01/28/civility-just-a-ruse-to-neuter-republicans/
L.E. Liesner commented:
And these are the people calling for civility. Everything with the liberals is a one way street.
Rob Crawford commented:
So, Vicki, when conservatives raise a similar hue and cry and block a leftist from speaking, you’ll leap to their defense as well?
Because you can bet that 90% of the speakers at the campus in any year are left-wing to hard-left-wing.
Chkn Fryd commented:
The smart kids don’t want to spend their money to hear the unwed, formerly pregnant speak about the sufficiency of abstinence.
Since it wasn’t good enough for her, but she wants to tell you how valuable it is, and she’s subject to a different level of morality than a poor minority pregnant teen, I’m betting this makes her the elitist you’ve warned us about.
Don’t take it personnally Ms. Palin, but there are many unwed teen moms out there. Try to counsel them more while they are derided for being, in some ways, just like you. Who will value those children if not moms like you? This is a great opportunity.
Bill commented:
The question is was it the money or the speaker. If Bristol dropped the fee would the student body have allowed her to speak? It is an important subject.
Ceroth commented:
Thugs. Sub-human scum. Your day is coming, asshats.
Mrs. X commented:
Do your homework.
“The college’s Student Health Advisory Committee was granted a $20,000 funding request by the Student Union Treasury to book a panel of speakers, and even though it is not known how much Palin (who has yet to RSVP) would be paid out of that fund, protests have been taking place on campus, with students holding signs that say “Can I get paid for an accident too?”” http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/01/28/kate-walsh-urges-students-boycott-bristol-palin-abstinence-speech/?test=faces
They don’t want her there because of the message and largely because of who she is. I doubt that the “free market” aspect even crossed their minds. That is like a teflon coating for liberals, or more appropriate in this case, socialists.
Patrick Glenn commented:
Vicki wrote, “The agency who handles Bristol charges between $15,000 and $30, 000 per speech. Student fee money is paying for the speech.” STL Today.com reported that “the Student Union Treasury on Tuesday approved spending $20,000 to sponsor a panel featuring Palin.”
So, how did the fees breakdown, Vicki? Are you saying that Palin was to be paid her minimum $15,000 with the other $5,000 divided among the remaining panel participants? If so, do you have any proof of such an agreement?
Or, more likely, Vicki has no idea what she’s talking about.
My question: AFTER the cancellation of BP, has the allotted $20,000 for the panel speakers NOW been reduced and to what amount?
Chkn Fryd commented:
Wash U students – ever wonder how you got such a high percentile on your assessment tests? These are the folks you were competing against. Keep your grades up. Because this is what awaits you if you don’t.
Ahh telled you that Chkn wuz one uh them there eee-litists!
Taqiyyotomist commented:
Jim, and all:
Is there a way we can follow up on this story? I really want to know: what “conservative” did WU replace Palin with to be the “conservative voice on the panel.”
Anyone here with any contacts at WU?
Baxter Greene commented:
O/T:
New Black Panther Party case: The facts are in
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-turn/2011/01/the_us_commission_on_civil.html
….The Republicans need to go full blast on this corruption of the DOJ…..
Chkn Fryd commented:
Patrick @ 45: Don’t they have to hire a replacement panelist? Why would you give the money back since now it will cost marginally more to hire a previously less expensive someone at almost the last minute? Slightly knowable, wouldn’t you say?
Patrick Glenn commented:
Also from the STL Today.com article, “Other programs include Lee Harrington, a transgender speaker talking about kinky communities.” http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/article_90605ab4-2963-11e0-8d7f-0017a4a78c22.html.
What are they paying Harrington to travel from the Woodstock, NY area? http://open.salon.com/blog/lee_harrington.
There’s an hour long panel discussion. Usually, panelists are paid at least a nomimal fee to support travel, etc.
We also don’t know if the $20,000 budgeted would pay for other expenses beyond speaker fees. For all we know, BP was charging a bargain rate, like $5,000, because she felt like it was an important venue. I don’t know, but neither does Vicki-drone.
RB American commented:
#35 and # 40 hit it right on the head, although, this is Wash U (Wish U). I’m not sure there are any Conservatives there.
Chkn Fryd commented:
BG @ 48: Waah!
Patrick Glenn commented:
Chkn Fryd: I don’t know. Maybe the $20,000 is sort of locked-in now, as a budget item, and they will either pay BP’s fee to another “conservative” speaker, or they will reshuffle the fees. Either way, Vicki’s argument about it being a fiscal matter would be weakened.
She will retort that the students did not object to the amount, but only that a significant portion of that amount was going to a speaker they did not want to hear. However, how was that established? Did they take a university-wide poll or were only the “squeaky wheels” considered relevant to determing “consumer demand” in this case? Plus, such an argument would set a potentially debilitating precedent: the university would have to hold a student referendum on every speaker they invited using student activity funds or similar source.
More than likely, Vicki’s argument is a red herring – a classic leftist tactic. Unfortunately, it’ll also become the established “narrative” of this episode going forward.
Susan commented:
The bankruptcy of America’s colleges and universities cannot come fast enough; and bankruptcy is coming hard and fast, the bubble has broken.
Soon a college degree will be a worthless as a mortgage.
Maria commented:
Good little liberals. Way to toe the liberal line. What a bunch of ugly, small idiots.
Chkn Fryd commented:
RB @ 51: I’m sure the Danforths will be thrilled with your assessment. What ever happened to the freemarketplace of ideas? Compete more effectively to get your ideas out there and you won’t need a “Conservatism now, Conservatism forever, Conservatism only” subsidy to get your point across.
Me personally, I love it when the TEA Party Code Pinks and Code Pink TEA Partys.College is supposed to be about learning and that requires hearing views one may not like. I’m so glad you understand.
This is your brain on Wash U; Wash U, THIS is your brain on stupid. Any questions?
Chisum commented:
Chicken Lips – Always wrong but presses on, undaunted.
Lordy, now the Head French Fryer for the Third Shift at Taco Bell is linking to Media Matters as his proof.
Bwahahahaha!
Chkn Fryd commented:
PG @ 50: However, I disagree that your perspective does not disqualify Vicki. If you can’t say anything until you’re absolutely certain of something, this would be a quiet place.
“Don’t know what the students had a problem with?” If you are right then most of the comments here are stupid. Since when do you need certainty to act? All it means is that the school could be as capricious as the commenters here definitely are.
Think I’m excluding myself? Nobody here wants to hear what I have to say, but I was invited to come in so I came. Now everyone wants me out. What does that tell you about they think about me, someone they don’t know? And do you really need to do a survey to find out?
Please chime in with phoney survey answers. After all Maria @ 55, you reap what you sew. Don’t get the joke, then try thinking before you speak. It helps.
Chkn Fryd commented:
Chisum: we disagree, but I admire your courage. Once upon a time, you wouldn’t click on such links lest you have to go to Conservative Confession to be absolved for your brazen open mindedness.
Chisum commented:
After all Maria @ 55, you reap what you sew. Don’t get the joke, then try thinking before you speak. It helps.
Oh yes, Maria. Indeed, you reap what you sew. Get your needle ready. Chicken Lips is going to need a hanky hemmed any moment.
Don’t get the joke O Lipless Wonder? Probably because you are the joke!
Chkn Fryd commented:
Chisum @ 60: See what happens when you READ the dictionary BEFORE you burn it! Too elitist? OK, let’s recap. Reading is when you…
rbosque commented:
This is a dangerous precedent. These kids are brainwashed into thinking only they have 1st amendment rights. When they get older, what will stop them from denying other rights to other people? They are the product of an un-American Marxist mindset that will only get worse.
Judith,NYC commented:
Ingrates. A big name carrying a message to make it acceptable for young women to say no to being objectified in an over sexual environment, attracts a wide attendence to the forum & promotes discussion is bullied off the stage bc/ she is conservative. So much for universities being the bastion of diverse opinions, ideas & free speech. Bristol & the students deserve better.
Chisum commented:
The Head French Fryer for the Third Shift at Taco Bell strikes again!
Bwahahahaha!
Patrick Glenn commented:
Chkn Fryd: you lost me there as you wandered off into non sequitur land.
If you had been following along, Vicki made a definitive statement, “They [the protesting students] didn’t want $20,000 of their activity fee given to someone they weren’t interested in hearing.” Yet Vicki has no proof that BP was to be paid $20,000. So, yes, I am “disqualify[ing]” Vicki’s original statement; if she shows us evidence that is consistent with her certainty, then we can re-qualify her statement. But, no, unlike you civil and tolerant leftists, I am by no means discouraging you or Vicki from expressing viewpoints. I just ask you to make logical arguments supported by actual evidence instead of trying to do what Vicki was doing – proof by faulty implication.
Chkn Fryd commented:
rbosque @ 62: These kids are brainwashed into thinking only they have 1st amendment rights. Sounds like every Conservative at this blog. Now will you believe me when I say you are the elitists you warned us about?
Patrick Glenn commented:
Chkn: who here is protesting your presence on this blog’s comment system and/or trying to get your access to this blog’s comment system blocked?
Btw, it’s not a violation of your 1st Amendment rights to point out the seemingly never ending flaws in your “arguments.”
Chkn Fryd commented:
So, using your logic and indeterminite student inventory count, how can you know what the students think without knowing precisely how many of them there are?
The count is not key to her arguement, so let her talk; they can have an opinion about the amount of money which is still valid no matter what the dollar amount is. if they get the dollar amount wrong, do the students not feel? So change $20K to $10K; her point still stands. If you insist you were going 55mph in a 50mph zone, but the traffic ticket says you were doing 57, do I need concensus to know you were speeding. ?
Vicki may make a good point; you do not, but using technicalities to keep us from the real issue, “freedom of speech @ $___,000.00 a clip” is the point, no?.
Chkn Fryd commented:
And by getting the string farther off course, Patrick Glenn makes my point for me.
Militant Conservative commented:
Who left the doggie door open?
The lefties cannot stand anything that challenges thier world view.
Challenge them ever day especially when they try to defend the NOTUS.
LOL can’t defend socialism OR stupid OR uncouth behavior.
powder is dry.
wanumba commented:
Bristol Palin, having been a teenage mother is an EXPERT on the subject, unlike anyone else on the panel. They have as Instapundit has highlighted many times, “credentials” but not “education.” Bristol has experience and has developed very plain conclusions based on that. She doesn’t recommend pre-marital sex. Not one little bit. She’s paying LITERALLY for a few minutes of weakness for the rest of her life, trying to raise a son with an ass of a father who lurks around solely to make cheap bucks off them both. She has something important and valid to say to counter the unreal MTV world of encouraging teenage sex.
The Left plays their little game of “Infallibility Card” – no one has cred unless they experienced the issue, then scream like banshees to shut down anyone they KNOW will contradict their false narrative. They tell everyone to ignore Bristol’s experience based SOLELY SOLELY!! on the grounds that her name is “Palin.” This university’s bread and butter is engineering and science – lhey! let’s indoctrinate students to reject anything that doesn’t fit the pre-conceived prejudices we want them to have!! So much for any “impartial” scientifc method.
Here’s another Left putrid hypocrisy that exposes their fraud posing. . Bristol Palin by her father is Native Indian. There a strong culture in the Native community to keep babies. Bristol Palin by having her son, despite the VERY difficult and publically embarrassing circumstances created by an aggressively hostile national media, adhered more to her family’s Native culture than the SHALLOW and SELFISH secular Left popular culture which would have pressured her to abort on the grounds of not embarrassing her mother’s political career.
The Palin family is very strong and VERY dedicated to each other. Instead of celebrating the awesomesness of it, the Left tries to tear it apart. They prefer divorced and shattered people chasing careers and barely raising unhappy kids who only dream of united and committed parents who go to the mat for them even when they make mistakes.
red923 commented:
Glad I went to SLU where I didn’t pay an outrageous sum of money to be brainwashed like these sad WashU children. WashU is a disgrace to St. Louis and to America.
David Wilson commented:
Seems like the free market worked.
1. One side (the University) offered Bristol Palin a speaking engagement.
2. Another side (the students and alumni of the University) engaged in their First Amendment rights and protested her proposed appearance BEFORE a contract was signed.
3. The first side (the University) decided it wasn’t in their best interest to move forward with their offer, and rescinded it.
It’s that what conservatives are always after, the free market working?
Seems to me it worked perfectly in this instance.
Jerry Magliano commented:
This just confirms what a recent study found about higher education in America. These clowns who call themselves college students are no more capable of critical thinking four years after beginning college than they were when they first entered. The irony is that Washington University is suppose to be one of our most elite schools which costs a fortune to attend. It is fascinating to watch the various airheads and goofballs who pass themselves off as serious college students open to all points of view shutting out opposing points of view. This explains why they cannot figure out that their futures are being destroyed by the Obama regime and they are too clueless to know what is happening to them.
wanumba commented:
Plenty of students don’t want their activity fees going to elite, wealthy and uber-connected corporate heirs like terrorist Bill Ayers, but the universities tell them “TOUGH.” But Bristol Palin who has NEVER advocated killing police or attacking our military or never repented of those murderous admonitions, is somehow NOT up to their standards.
There’re two issues here, and one of them is the accelerating decline of the American educational system. Under Liberal Progressive control, the academic achievement in graduating THINKERS is in inverse proportion to the COST of this so-called education. Twice the price and half the quality. It’s totally unsustainable. Our society will suffer for years and years and years with less qualified, but supremely self-righteous hacks in every field.
Patrick Glenn commented:
Chkn: What are you blathering about? Please try to make some sense, it’ll help propel the discussion in a more fruitful direction.
Okay, let’s recap: first, I showed that Vicki’s statment was unsupported by the reported facts. Since you’ve conceded that point, I’m happy to consider, or speculate on, the other aspects of this incident . . .
Since we don’t know, let’s say hypothetically that Palin was promised $20,000, her appearance was cancelled, but the budget is already locked-in. At least two possibilities . . .
A. Since that $20,000 has already been “earmarked” for the “conservative” speaker, it will now be paid to her replacement, “Dr. Katie Plax, head of adolescent medicine and associate professor in the Department of Pediatrics at Washington University School of Medicine.” By Vicki’s logic, if Dr. Plax ends up speaking and getting paid, does that mean that the students “want $20,000 of their activity fee given to” Dr. Plax and that they are “interested in hearing” Dr. Plax? Because that was Vicki’s argument for why BP was cancelled, right? Shouldn’t it apply to other speakers?
B. The $20,000 will be shared among ALL the speakers, possibly including Dr. Plax, but not paid exclusively to her. How much would Lee Hamilton get, then? Or the other speakers? And what methodology did the program organizers use in determing that the students want their activity fees to go toward paying Lee Hamilton and/or the other speakers?
Chkn Fryd commented:
Wanumba @ 71: Bristol Palin, having been a teenage mother is an EXPERT on the subject, unlike anyone else on the panel. And all I’m saying is that such an expert MUST lack the credentials to speak about teenage abstinence. Her perspective on what you want her to speak on is literally, “Do as I say, don’t do what I’ve done.” Experiential, yes; useful, not really. I’m sure Ms. Palin had someone tell her how society and biology worked BEFORE she became an expectant mother. But apparently “just say no” to “love is the drug” didn’t work then either.
Intolerant – of continuing to try what the speaker herself is living proof of the ineffectiveness of, Yep.
Buffalobob commented:
These are the same progs that have peace plaques on the back of their Volvo’s. You know the one that has all of the religious symbols cleverly spelling out peace. It must be sad to live life everyday, hating their perceived enemies.
Chkn Fryd commented:
Patrick Glenn @ 76: “You keep thinking there Butch, that’s what you’re good at.”
Tawny Jones commented:
What a crappy university, and what a gutless administration.
Patrick Glenn commented:
David Wilson: you obviously don’t have the vaguest clue what a market is. No, it’s not the “free market working” when a minority of students protest against the use of their student activity funds. That’s called politics. The market relies on price mechanisms, not political pressures, to determine how goods & services will be allocated.
Lily Ledbetter commented:
Ah yes, it’s the free speech the libs love to tout, but hate to actually apply. That’s all the libs have, lots of jawing, not a lot of thinking.
Patrick Glenn commented:
That’s right, chicken, I am much better at thinking that you are. You should change your name to Chkn Twice Cooked, since you’ve now been smoked in addition to being Fryd. The only value in “debating” a leftist bird brain like you is that I’m now hungry for some Chinese food. Umm, yummy!
Chkn Fryd commented:
No Lilly @ 82, that’s Paul Ryan’s Roadmap. You do exactly what it says, and you still can’t get anywhere.
Chkn Fryd commented:
Patrick Glenn @ 83: But how can you be hungry for Chinese if you haven’t counted all 1.4 billion of them?
There it is folks: My name is Chkn, his is Patrick. I’m sweet, he’s sour, and you’ve been a wonderful audience!
tommy mc donnell commented:
the students had her banned because she is sarah palin’s daughter not because of any views she would espouse. american colleges are the leading promoters of two of the left’s core principles; drug use and promiscuity. so why would they allow a different point of view. teenage pregnancy leads to dependency. dependency leads to the welfare state. the welfare state leads to permanent bought and paid for vote. why would the left want to discourage that its the core of their political power.
Jack Marino commented:
Our universities are breeding grounds for this kind of leftist fascism. They only want their ideals represented at these so called places of higher learning. This entire leftist charade is a joke, they are nothing more the nazi & commie wannabes. We have seen this all before between the world wars and in the 60s here in the USA.
Bristol can come on and speak on my radio show on LA TALK RADIO Jack Marino Warriorfilmmaker show anytime
David Wilson commented:
Patrick -
Was government involved in either decision (1. B. Palin getting her invite; or 2. The university rescinding the invite)?
If not, it was the free market, after a strong 1st Amendment response, which decided, for the University, which was the best choice for them to make, FOR THEIR UNIVERSITY.
You can’t just spout out claims and call them facts.
A. “minority of students” How do you know it was a minority of students? Was there a poll commissioned? Did you personally interview every student, or at least 51% of them who reached a consensus? Did anyone attempt to get a factual number of how many students were against Palin speaking? I’m guessing (see, guessing… because I’m not sure) that there was no poll; that you didn’t interview enough students to get a consensus; nor that anyone has attempted to get a factual number of how many students were against Palin speaking.
Which means…
B. You are extrapolating your own bias somehow into a fact where no fact exists.
and…
C. You truly have no idea of what the “free market” means if you are only applying it to goods and services.
Tlaloc commented:
“Once again campus leftists turn away an opposing voice.”
So you think paying thousands of dollars to a speak who is obviously unqualified (hello teen mother, quite the role model) is a good idea?
wanumba commented:
#77 January 28, 2011 at 11:01 am
Chkn Fryd commented:
Wanumba @ 71: Bristol Palin, having been a teenage mother is an EXPERT on the subject, unlike anyone else on the panel.
And all I’m saying is that such an expert MUST lack the credentials to speak about teenage abstinence.
……
How do you get across the street of a day? If someone walks up to you at the curb and says, “careful here, it looks fine, but I was hit by a car because I thought it was safe to cross,” would you even consider to argue that person has no basis to give advice about that spot?
NO! You’d be more CAREFUL. Point made, one more person got across there without being hurt who might have had they not received the caution. You can take the advice or leave it, your choice, but you can’t whine you weren’t warned.
As far as “abstinence” : the narrative and reality is LARDED with FRAUDS to undermine it I have hauled our kids out of school-sponsored so-called abstinence progams that would have had a VERY comfy home on sleazy MVT. The schools play this DISHONEST little game on parents, “WE have abstinence seminars.” Parents don’t check, TRUSTING the schools!!! Their kids sit in the most graphic sexual program this side of a XXX shaggy carpet porn director’s basement. They literally walk out stunned and mentally defiled. That’s NOT “abstinence” it’s perversion and corruption.
If I had a dollar for every school administrator who’s LIED, “You are the ONLY one who’s complained,” I’d be RICH.
Today’s reality is THIS: I can’t trust ANYONE these days to have the best interests of my children at heart and spend a good chunk of my valuable time VERIFYING claims before I allow someone else the responsibility of supervising my kids. I can’t even believe that this is necessary in the degradation of ONE generation. My parents never had a care when we were growing up – SOCIETY demanded a certain level of decorum on the mass media TV was decent, schools stuck to academics, and ADULTS maintained expectations on children and youth in public and in private. Now, adults actively encourage the next generation to ruin themselves in dress, speech, degrading themselves in empty sex, pushing drugs on them, ignoring them for the pursuit of money status, then counsel to IGNORE and mock common sense advice.
Joanne commented:
Why would these students want a young woman who kept her child to speak to them about not having premarital sex and what she faces as a single mother…..I mean they probably have no morals and abort their unborn, so it stands to reason they don’t want someone who made the hard choice to make them feel guilty for what they do and have done.
Militant Conservative commented:
#88 January 28, 2011 at 11:22 am
David Wilson commented:
generalization, most coleges ARE liberal havens, except for Hillsdale and Military coleges and a few smaller universities (usually in a conservative state such as Texas).
Doubt the dissenting group was a minority. Probably a majority due to coleges being overrun with such diseased vermin. Once they start working though many become conservative due to the natural tendencies to do so. Conservatism is natural, liberalism is just a kid who has not grown up. powder is dry.
Thank GOD my kid is in a military school.
Stuart commented:
Chicken Man: Nobody on this thread want’s you banned, but it would help if you wrote something that was rational. Your rants-today especially- remind me of a friend from my college days who was a speed freak. He was perfectly rational until he downed a few reds. Then his pontifications would head off into never never land. Words would flow from his mouth like water from a hydrant but little he said made any sense. Seriously amigo are you all right or are you letting the meth drive your mouth.
David Wilson commented:
Joanne -
What she faces as a single mother? Are you serious?
How many single mothers can afford to pay $172,500 cash (literally, she wrote a check) for a five bedroom house?
How many single mothers travel by private jet almost everywhere she travels?
How many single mothers get offered $15K-$20K per speaking engagements?
Please, please, please, people. Stop equating Bristol Palin to your average single mom. She’s not. Never was. Never will be. She’s a celebrity with a famous family name, just like Paris Hilton. Oh, except Paris Hilton never got pregnant.
AuntieMadder commented:
wanumba #11 – I agree. Who better to share the good and the bad of it all than someone who’s living it? Bristol Palin knows firsthand the cost of unprotected teen sex. Her baby is a joy to her, I’m sure, but she probably wishes he was yet to be born, maybe in another ten years or so, when she’s married, or at least she would have chosen not to announce her pregnancy when her mother was McCain’s running mate. And I have no doubt that if she could do it all again, knowing then what she knows now, her son’s daddy would be someone other than what’s-his-face. In fact, if she knew then what she knows now, you can bet that she never would have let that idiot near her. Silly, naive girls pick idiots like him; women know better…(most of us know better, anyway).
As for her having chosen motherhood over abortion, I’m not sure that’s the beef the lefturds have with her. I suspect it’s that she recommends abstinence, that her regret is that she didn’t abstain as her mother had taught her (instead of regretting that she wasn’t on the pill or regretting that she chose to have and keep her son). As far as I know, she may be abstaining now with plans to stay that way until marriage (wink* or until she’s with the man she’ll marry) and including that bit of personal information in her speeches.
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Chkn Shyt: “Intolerant – of continuing to try what the speaker herself is living proof of the ineffectiveness of, Yep.”
It appears your daddy still hasn’t had The Talk with you. Until he does, please know that abstinence is 100% effective. Idiot.
AuntieMadder commented:
David Wilson: She’s a celebrity with a famous family name, just like Paris Hilton. Oh, except Paris Hilton never got pregnant.
How do you know Hilton’s never been pregnant? If I had to guess one way or the other, I’d guess that she has.
David Wilson commented:
Militant -
With all due respect, I think there are many conservative colleges spread out throughout the country. Even here in Southern California, we have the Claremont Colleges, Biola, Chapman, and many others which are considered “conservative” colleges and universities. Maybe they don’t get enough publicity, but they’re out there.
Joanne commented:
So some would rather have someone who hasn’t had sex or given birth as a single mother explain to others not to have sex, because of the consequences. I’m sure that would go over as a lead weight – people do not listen to people who have not experienced what they are talking about……unless of course, people who voted for Obama think that putting a person with no experience into the Office of POTUS was a good idea.
David Wilson commented:
AuntieMadder -
You ignore the substance of the entire post, and focus on a thowaway line of snark. That says alot.
Okay, let’s stipulate that Paris Hilton has gotten pregnant, and we just don’t know about it.
What about the rest of the points?
AuntieMadder commented:
Joanne #98: “…people do not listen to people who have not experienced what they are talking about……unless of course, people who voted for Obama think that putting a person with no experience into the Office of POTUS was a good idea.”
And there you have it.
∅ commented:
Is this a new word? Did you burn your dictionary? Gee, I think I remember a thread where you seemed to be criticizing others regarding their ignorance. I usually don’t point out other’s grammar and spelling errors, but since you seem to relish in it, I’ll make an exception.
wanumba commented:
92 January 28, 2011 at 11:33 am
Militant Conservative commented:
Thank GOD my kid is in a military school
………..
My kids were in three of them in High School. Pulled them out. The military side in all of them was FINE. The mistake was hiring educators from the education monopoly who became classroom tyrants aping what they believed to be “military” without ever going through it. The schools did not verify the performances of their teachers so the teachers overloaded the cadets with work and PUNISHMENTS and crushed complaints with the easy cover of “They’re just trying to dodge.”
In one military school, morbidly overweight TEACHERS routinely ate food and drank sodas in their classroom during LECTURES in front of hungry cadets who then had to stand in formation and march to meals. The military guys NEVER did that sort of thing, but they didn’t know what the non-military teachers were doing.
Thanks to crap teachers and administrators out of teachers colleges, – the USUAL SUSPECTS – the military schools are not delivering what they could be delivering. It’s an unbelievable waste, because parents and students are actively searching for a RIGOROUS education and discipline environment, but Liberal Left lazy adults deliver oppressive environment instead.
Patrick Glenn commented:
David Wilson: Do you realize you just debunked your own argument? Again, the point is that we have no way of knowing how the students want their activity funds used, including whether they’d support the use of funds to pay BP’s speaking fee. We only know that a small group of students protested the decision.
By your logic, the desires of a vocal small minority of consumers in a given market represents the true market demand for ALL of the consumers in the market. Actually, we do not know what the true market demand among ALL the students is because the set-up for selecting the speakers is nothing like an open market.
The student committee that selected the speakers are operating within a political model: they’re elected, they make decisions; if you don’t like their decisions, you can try to elect new committee members. If the speakers were selected on a more market-oriented basis, instead of charging students in advance “activity fees,” the organizers would hold events, pay the speakers, etc. and then charge the students at the door.
Btw, it’s also not true that anything that is not controlled or regulated in a formal way by a government agency THEREFORE falls into the realm of the “free market.” This “private” university is nowhere detached from the public sector.
AuntieMadder commented:
David Wilson: Sorry, but the remark about Hilton never being pregnant jumped out at me, causing me to forget the rest of it.
Except that their names are known in most American homes that have TVs, there’s not much that Palin and Hilton have in common. Even with substantial cash flow (nothing like Hilton the heiress’s, mind you), Palin still has to change crappy diapers, still loses sleep caring for a sick or teething baby, still ends up the target of projectile vomiting, has to stay in and be a mom when her girlfriends go out, and so on. Sure, Palin’s family members help her with her son, but her mother has a baby boy of her own to care for, along with a couple other kids who are still too young to be left on their own for too long at a time, and a full calendar of halibut clubbing and speaking events of her own, too.
They’re aren’t even the same in how they became celebrities or in how they use their celebrity. One became “famous” when her exboyfriend uploaded their homemade sex tape to the Internet; the other when her mother was running mate on the GOP ticket for POTUS. One flaunts being a rich ‘ho (no, I’m not being mean about her; for at least some time, that was the image she chose to project); the other strutted her stuff on Dancing With the Stars. One is mobbed by paparrazi (sp) while partying in all the right places; the other has mobs of lefturds protesting her speaking to them about teen pregnancy and unwed motherhood.
Bristol Palin is a teen mother; she’s better off than most any other teen mother, for sure. But she’s still a teen mother. Paris Hilton is an heiress and, as an heiress, she lives in a completely different world than the rest of us or of the well-to-do, such as the Palins.
Ladue Pundit commented:
John Danforth, a WU trustee and former RINO senator co-sponsored a pro-life constitutional amendment with the alcoholic Thomas Eagleton.
Where’s Jacky Boy? Oh yeah, now he’s an embryonic stem cell champ–using taxpayers’ money of course.
The last time I visited my alma mater, WU, the quad wad crowded with “walls, built to symbolize the Zionist partition of the middle east.” If you want to visit the GZ of lunacy, spoiled brattiness, and closed minds, stop by WU.
The Obots are here and showing it today.
Right is Right commented:
“The controversy referred to in the release involved ‘Private Practice’ star Kate Walsh’s call for students to boycott Palin’s speech should she decide to attend.”
I’ve never heard of this person or the show she is the “star” of but I’m fairly sure this hate America leftist has ears with which to hear this!
Boycotts work both ways, honey!
David Wilson commented:
Patrick -
Again, you completely miss the point – either intentionally or by lack of compehension.
My point is that it’s the UNIVERSITY who made the choice to rescind the offer to Palin. No one “forced” them to rescind the offer. The protests might have been a majority or minority of the students, but it’s inconsequential to the main fact that the UNIVERSITY CHOSE (chose, not “was forced”) to rescind the offer.
That they did so because students protested perfectly illustrates the free market at work. They DECIDED it was IN THEIR BEST INTERESTS to not have Bristol Palin speak. Again, no force, no coercion.
wanumba commented:
THis same school would have fallen all overthemselves to get Paris Hilton there. They want their photo taken with her, they are covetous of the money, the hedonistic glitz and the drunken, druggie daze waste in diamonds. Her pix would be in the local paper.
Paris would stand around smiling and vapid and they’d take note of her expensive clothes and big body guards, her teetery high heels, her manicured nails, and oooh and aahhhh. Seminar, what seminar?
That’s it. Big nothing. All in college acting all “smart” and still valuing the snotty “popular” girl who hasn’t had to do a thing except be born to moneybags Daddy.
joeyess commented:
As Sexy Sarah would say: This is a WTF moment. Rational people refuse to be lectured to by a hypocrite about their sex lives and the conservative twitterverse screams “FIRST AMENDMENT!!!”. You’re all idiots.
jw commented:
Bristol desrves a million dollarsspeaking fee if she’s influential in arming young women w/ the courage to just say NO in the face of the pressure they meet to have uncommited sex in their co-ed dorms or at the Frat parties. The more high profile the messenger, like Bristol, the more “cool” it is to view abstinense as a viable alternative to casual sex. Yes, Bristol is experiencing the consequence as I’m sure someone who contracted a sexual disease would also feel & has the experience more than an academic to relate. Clearly, Bristol as a Palin attracts a wider student audience to bring to the table for discussion. Why deprive the many young woman who have trouble saying no the porn-obsessed boys a role model that preaches from her youthfully bad judgement to abstain & not succum to peer pressure.
Can't Be Neutral on a Moving Train... commented:
To Khan Krum (#4):
Well, even some more Conservative blogocracies in Our Great Free Nation have been known to silence dissent (or, even, polite creative discussion…) by blocking IP addresses (a hit-and-miss technique which may squelch the more agreeable in the same net) or deleting commentary by those who creatively and correctly step aside from The Majority Opinion.
AuntieMadder commented:
joeyess commented: “You’re all idiots.”
What a coincidence! I was just thinking the same thing about you and the rest of the flying monkeys who’re swarming around here today. Idiot.
joeyess commented:
@jw
Here’s the rub: She didn’t have the courage to “just say no”. She was upstairs at the Palin home shimmying stars. Namely with the hockey star of the local team, the Wasilla Snowbillys, Levi Johnson.
joeyess commented:
@AuntieMadder
At least I don’t suffer from cognitive dissonance.
Go ahead, look it up. I’ll wait.
AuntieMadder commented:
joeyess, I don’t need to look it up, jackass. No, wait! I take that back. I’m going to look it up right now. I’ll let you know when I’m finished so that we can finish this discussion. Don’t go anywhere. I’ll be right back.
joeyess commented:
Forget it, Auntie. You’re a waste of time, space and energy.
Peace!
j.
AuntieMadder commented:
Joanne #98: “…people do not listen to people who have not experienced what they are talking about……unless of course, people who voted for Obama think that putting a person with no experience into the Office of POTUS was a good idea.”
Joanne, among that mass of idiots are also those who believe socialism can work and be good for everyone. Nevermind that it’s never worked before, anywhere, any time, and has, each time it’s been implemented, cost millions of lives. They can get it right and make it work.
AuntieMadder commented:
joeyess, hold that thought, joyless, for our discussion when I return. Don’t go anywhere. I’ll be right back.
arnonerik commented:
This is a good example of a failed university full of closed minds.
Ipso Facto commented:
Isn’t this the school where they had an article in the campus newspaper not long ago titled, “How to give a great blow job”?
C’mon, those kids aren’t there for an education, they just want to commune with the rest of the trust fund babies and reinforce each other’s worth. They know deep down that if they were rendered into fertilizer most people wouldn’t even use it because it would ruin their dirt.
David Wilson commented:
Auntie wrote: “among that mass of idiots are also those who believe socialism can work and be good for everyone. Nevermind that it’s never worked before, anywhere, any time, and has, each time it’s been implemented, cost millions of lives. ”
Auntie -
On the most recent quality of life index, the top ten countries were:
1 Ireland
2 Switzerland
3 Norway
4 Luxembourg
5 Sweden
6 Australia
7 Iceland
8 Italy
9 Denmark
10 Spain
Notice anything about this list? FIVE (maybe even seven, depending on the definition) are clearly “Socialist” countries. Of course, it doesn’t work anywhere…. Riiiiiight?
The USA? 13th on the list.
rbosque commented:
Sorry Chkn Fryd, you’ve found yourself in the position of supporting intolerant undereducated tools who can’t think for themselves. Their student union and their myriad of liberal indoctrinating classes make them nothing but manipulated little toads who just parrot what the media and their leftist professors tell them. As I’ve mentioned before, they can’t stand anyone else having a contrary opinion that does support the leftist-world view, and this same mind-set is repeated in many other schools.
Bert commented:
This proves once again all that education is NOT the answer.
Dave commented:
Patriotic and/or open minded liberals do not exist.
Dave commented:
David Wislon
Socialism has been responsible for the MURDER of 200,000,000 people in the last 100 years (more then all wars in that time combined)- THAT’S what happens when the government becomes too powerful. You do realize that all of those worthless little countries would be speaking german under a nazi flag or singing praises to stalin if it weren’t for AMERICA saving their arses- don’t you?
Of course you don’t because you are brainwashed useful idiot. History is filled with people like you begging for the government to control your life, so congratulations on being a marxist pawn.
Patrick Glenn commented:
David Wilson: again, for the last time, you don’t know what a market is. A market has more than one consumer. I was trying to give you too much credit, apparently, not expecting you to be literally arguing that Washington University’s behavior in this case was an example of the “free market working” because the university, as a single “consumer,” made a political decision and no other government entity intervened in the process.
Let’s say GM (Government Motors) decides to start purchasing parts from an Iranian supplier, which sparks protests at GM offices, etc.; GM decides to rescind the deal with the Iranian supplier. In David Wilson-world, this would be a wonderful example of “free market” economics at work!
Ed commented:
I welcome leftist stunts like this. Each one just drives more people out of the liberal camp.
David Wilson commented:
Patrick -
What would you call it if not the free-market?
rbosque commented:
Those “Socialistic” countries are on the same road as Greece who live beyond their GDPs and have to eventually end up having someone else bail them out. The U.S. has bailed out Greece as does Germany. I lived in Europe for many years and although they seem reasonably well off, Spain’s unemployment has reached over 20% so being on that supposed list does not mean those countries are fiscally responsible nor is it a validation of centralized planned governments.
David Wilson commented:
rbosque -
You know not of what you speak. Sweden and Norway have strong oil revenue and are very solvent. There is no way they are going the route of Greece. Switzerland is also very, very strong.
Fact is that Socialism works in certain countries. To claim that it doesn’t flies against the facts.
You have the right to your own opinion. You don’t have the right to your own facts.
timb commented:
“Of course, this is the same university that has no problem instructing students on how to give the best bl*w job.”
That comment is stupid, even for you. Ironically, while one can presume that Bristol has the requisite expertise to give advice on the subject of fellatio, she clearly has no expertise on abstinence, personal or academic. This problem (a lack of accreditation and yet high speaking fees) is what the students were protesting. I note she was replaced on the rostrum by a medical doctor. Gee, how would a medical doctor know more than a Dancing with the Stars runner-up?
Look, I get that on the right wing, expertise doesn’t matter, only politics does. For instance, on the right wing, a blogger may say a school thinks its a grand idea to teach fellatio, while linking to a story about a student run newspaper writing an essay on the subject. A non-Right winger might see student run newspapers as largely free of administration control, since, you know, they are at any decent school.
Oh, and if you think the Arch-diocese of St. Louis’s representative to an abstinence panel will not be a “…conservative voice on the panel,” then you know less about religion than you do politics or current events
timb commented:
“#125 January 28, 2011 at 1:26 pm
Dave commented:
David Wislon
Socialism has been responsible for the MURDER of 200,000,000 people in the last 100 years (more then all wars in that time combined)- THAT’S what happens when the government becomes too powerful. You do realize that all of those worthless little countries would be speaking german under a nazi flag or singing praises to stalin if it weren’t for AMERICA saving their arses- don’t you?
Of course you don’t because you are brainwashed useful idiot. History is filled with people like you begging for the government to control your life, so congratulations on being a marxist pawn.”
I nominate this for the dumbest comment in Internet history, since it mangles political science definitions, ignores history, has no understanding of our current market economy, and it just witless. It was a close race with the equally stupid one he posted above.
Oh, and speaking of that one, Dave, Pat Tillman is on the phone. He’s curious to know if you consider him unpatriotic or if was the rare Noam Chomsky reading conservative.
Patrick Glenn commented:
David Wilson: the university made a political decision.
Sure, economics were involved to a certain degree: the university’s desire to avoid bad P.R., concern for keeping students happy, etc. But, then, economics are usually a crucial part of any political decision. In the U.S., political decisions are made within the context of a mixed-market economy (mix of capitalism, “progressive” corporatism, socialism) and, vice versa, the economy operates within a political context.
But when we speak of good examples of the (free) market in action, we’re talking about buyers and sellers (not singular), competition restrained only by the rule-of-law (e.g., protecting property rights), very low barriers to entry, limited regulations, etc. The key word is competition. What economic competition was involved in this case? In some sense, it was a political “competition,” except only one side (leftist students) was competing.
Robert Neville commented:
So many men in that protest photo. The Palin “He-man Woman Haters Club” strikes again! lol
rbosque commented:
Sorry Dave, as an economist you can’t possibly try to sell me on the fact that because the Scandinavian counties have oil reserves that socialism works. I agree that there is no “one size fits all” economic system, but the countries you’ve listed are in an economic union and are headed for varying degrees of economic trouble, some sooner than others. Socialism eventually consumes their scarce resources and they eventually have to take out loans to prop up those failed systems. Eventually they have to accept austerity measures which lead toward bankruptcies. I don’t “make up” facts to support my conclusions, I have many years of studying macroeconomic systems to know that socialist countries eventually hemorrhage and die.
Patrick Glenn commented:
timb: relatively high speaking fees (e.g. BP’s) are generated in response to market demand for speakers, not “accreditation.” No organization/event would pay anywhere near $20,000 for BP’s replacement, Dr. Katie Plax – although, in this case, I’m curious if she inherited BP’s fee, or whether it was reallocated/returned.
At academic conferences, speakers with higher credentials will typically command higher fees than academic speakers with no or lower credentials. In that sense, the credentially provides a “floor” below which speakers’ fees will not fall; however, these credentials mean nothing on the higher end. Rather, “rock star” professors who are popular among their colleagues, generate lots of buzz (possibly even controversy, provided that it’s from the left), etc., will command higher fees.
In other words, arguing that BP should not have received her market-rate fee because she lacks academic credentials is nonsensical.
Nikki commented:
Bristol Palin’s speaking fees are between $15,000 and $30,000.
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2010/05/18/Bristol-Palin-signs-with-speakers-bureau/UPI-85881274205678/
The $20,000 was negotiated downward from $25,000.
http://www.studlife.com/news/2011/01/28/bristol-palin-will-not-speak-at-wu/
Ninety percent of the student body, both conservative and liberal did not want her there. In fact, the College Republicans joined forces with the College Democrats to protest her appearance. Tuition at the school has risen to $40,000 per year and the student body did not want their activity fees spent in this manner.
The Free Market works.
decentamerican commented:
Is this any surprise from the liberals? The Democrats, founding party of the KKK, the party that put Native Americans on reservations and the Japanese Americans in internment camps, is well known for their rabid racism and gross intolerance. Plus they are just plain ignorant, and too stupid to realize how ignorant they are. So Democrats, are you proud of your racist history, and are you proud of your intolerance? They all just disgust me.
This reminds me of how the liberal nutjobs got all crazy at Bristol during Dancing with the Stars. Bristol is not a politician, but a private citizen, yet she was getting death threats from the left wing wackos. Death threats…….or a dancing show. Are you lib wackos at all aware of how crazy you are? Classy group, all of you.
wsorrian commented:
I see this site has already picked up it’s fair share of nitwits and trolls (i.e. Vicki and Chkn Fryd). They make baseless charges and insults to deflect from the inadequacies of their argument.
There are two unavoidable facts for the leftist demagogues trolling around here:
First, this had nothing to do with any hypocrisy or free market principle. That is nothing more than propaganda and political spin. To address the hypocrisy part I would say there is better an expert on the subject of abstinence than a young mother having made the mistake of getting pregnant before they were ready. Nothing you can say will disperse that clear fact. For the ‘free market” part I’d say that no such argument exists here. These people will pay the same in fees no matter who is brough on to speak. The costs of being indoctrinated there will not rise or fall if Bristol Palin was replaced, nor would it change if a replacement was not brought in at all. The costs were decided and fees collected long before Palin accepted the offer to speak.
Secondly, and perhaps most importantly, is this was about free speech. Not about the government supressing it, but about young impressionable minds bent by the media narrative, Jon Stewart and SNL skits. They believe what they saw because they viewed it as funny. I’ve watched this happen to my generation. You make a joke about someone and the person who had not yet made up their mind will now filter their perception of that person through the image created by the one who made the joke. It’s as old as school yard teasing. Say a kid stinks and instantly 50 other kids believe he stinks without ever smelling them. Behold the juvenile mind. The left wing propaganda artists know this and they know how easily swayed young people are. So they use this to their advantage and get them to protest someone they know nothing about based on a narrative created out of whole cloth. They do this to keep the debate one-sided. All too often when a true debate is made between a liberal ideal and conservative principle the conservative principle wins. So liberals need to silence dissent by not allowing them to speak it in the first place. This is a reccuring theme. We’ve seen it with the fairness doctrine, net neutrality, the attempts to get Glenn Beck thrown off the air, the same with Rush Limbaugh. We’ve seen it again after the tragedy of Ft. Hood when the meme was ‘don’t jump to conclusions’ when the obvious right wing argument was going to be Islamic terrorism and the leftists can’t stand being proven wrong. We saw it again after the Tucson murders when the leftists created the meme of ‘right wing vitriol and hate speech’ then renewed the push to silence it. This is no different. To keep from someone being swayed by a person who obviously has experience in this matter, just avoid the debate altogether.
It proves, at least to me, that left wing ideals replace principles and those ideals can’t stand on their own merit. Why else would liberals run from the debate?
Patrick Glenn commented:
Nikki, so what will happen to the $20,000? Does it go back into the same account from which it was previously allocated? If so, how will the university ensure that the activity fees are spent in some other manner that is acceptable to a majority of the student body?
Nikki commented:
@#142
Patrick, this is copied directly from the 2nd link I provided:
“According to SU VP of Finance Eliot Walker, SHAC will now have to return the $20,000 and resubmit an appeal to fund the new panel. If the group’s new appeal is less than $1000, as Walker said is expected, SHAC can take its request straight to Walker for approval, as opposed to going through another round of a Treasury vote. “
Dave commented:
timb- let’s see if you can point out where i am wrong- okay?
Marxist/socialism (basically the same thing) has allowed the following men to murder thanks to their “governemnt engineered utopias”….
Stalin’s USSR (United Soviet Socialist Republic) 70,000,000
Hitler’s Nazi (National Socialist German Worker’s Party (20,000,000)
Mao the marxist 70,000,000
And i won’t go into listing all of the other little dictators who subscribed to the marxist ideology allowing them to bring the total to 200,000,000.
Nikki commented:
If you doubt that this was a bipartisan effort to have Palin uninvited, this is also taken directly from the 2nd link I provided:
“At the Senate meeting, two students held signs that read, “Can I get paid for an accident too?” The College Democrats and Republicans created a bipartisan petition in the hopes of securing enough signatures to get a referendum on Treasury’s initial approval [of the $20,000 payment].”
Larry Craig's stall commented:
Sexual responsibility… Bristol is one of the last people I would want talking about that.
Chisum commented:
Sexual responsibility… Bristol is one of the last people I would want talking about that.
This little gem from someone identifying their self as a “stall”.
Larry Craig's stall commented:
“Sorry Chkn Fryd, you’ve found yourself in the position of supporting intolerant undereducated tools who can’t think for themselves. Their student union and their myriad of liberal indoctrinating classes make them nothing but manipulated little toads who just parrot what the media and their leftist professors tell them. As I’ve mentioned before, they can’t stand anyone else having a contrary opinion that does support the leftist-world view, and this same mind-set is repeated in many other schools.”
Pot, meet kettle.
misterbee commented:
Gee whiz, if she’s such an idiot loser, why not let her speak and then mock her for months? Why are Leftists so afraid of hearing anything that deviates from their Democrat/Liberal/Marxist/Progressive/NationalSocialist mantra? What is it about free speech and the open exchange of ideas that terrifies Leftists? If their Marxist/Progressive ideas are so superior why are they afraid of the challenge?
Just askin’…
bflat879 commented:
Ah, the open mindedness of the left. A simple protest is, she comes to speak and you don’t go. If there were no one there, the people the booked her would look foolish. The left knows they can’t win that argument so they protest and force a cancellation. You’re wimps and can’t win a debate fair and square.
I’m going to have to review where my children go to college because some schools are nothing more than indoctrination centers where an education is secondary.
Larry Craig's stall commented:
A debate with Bristol Palin? LOL!
You got knocked up, Bristol.
Ding ding ding!!!
Nikki commented:
Question…if the $20,000 was the sticking point for the students and Bristol really wanted to do this and get her message out, why wouldn’t she do it for free or for an even more reduced cost?
AuntieMadder commented:
“At the Senate meeting, two students held signs that read, “Can I get paid for an accident too?” …
Sure. Americans do it every day. It’s called social services, welfare, food stamps…
Patrick Glenn commented:
Nikki, I followed the second link to Student Life.com and have a few comments:
1. Claim that BP is “unqualified” to speak about abstinence is patently absurd. Abstinence, or the lack thereof, has medical implications, but the subject far surpasses mere medical concerns/questions. Sorry, Washington U. kidz, you don’t get to spin it into a objective criteria thing – y’all don’t like BP, simple as that.
2. It does look like the Univ. will save roughly $19,000 by cancelling BP. But unless they return this money to the students as rebates, the opponents in this case cannot argue that it was about fiscal savings because the fees will simply be spent on something else. Again, it comes down to them not liking BP, simple as that, save the b.s. for someone else.
3. The kid with the “Can I get paid for an accident? t-shirt: sure, if there is market demand to pay you to speak at that rate, but I seriously doubt it; otherwise, I recommend you go ask a fellow “progressive” Democrat how you to get other parties to pay for your accidents. You Dems are pros at that game.
4. David Wilson: the president of the College Democrats agrees with me that the cancellation was a political thing. She said, “It’s a sad state of politics at Wash. U. when Bristol Palin is what required us to get politically active.”
5. The article concluded, “While Elman said he thinks that the main message of Palin and Sex Week got lost amid the protests, he hopes that students still show up in high numbers to the panel.” Yeah, right, LMAO! Let’s see if more than 50 students show up voluntarily to this event (i.e. it’s not part of course requirement) . . .
Jerry C commented:
@Patrick Glenn-
Why are you even attempting to have a sane conversation with Chkn Fryd Turd? All your comments are rational, intelligent and clearly written. Liberalism IS a mental desease. Turd is mentally impaired so there’s nothing, absolutely nothing you can say logically that he’ll be able to understand.
However, I do apologize to turds for calling them Chkn Fryd, that was totally inappropriate on my part.
wanumba commented:
The Left approves of a girl of the age Bristol was to “use these free condoms” then use the free shuttle to the local abortion clinic. Failing that, she would be encouraged to accept the free welfare to move out of her parents home, free food stamps, and then be a model single mother praised by the Left to show how much they “care.”
All this is swooning and self-righteous posturing about shape-shifting standards is hypocritical BS.
Chisum commented:
Hey leftists, would this lady qualify as an expert on abstinence? I thought you might find her opinion acceptable since she wears an Obama hat.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12280109
Patrick Glenn commented:
Jerry C, I know, but I sometimes like to argue with lefty-drones to see what talking points they’re bringing back from the leftosphere (which I rarely visit, myself . . . you know, because I don’t want to spoil my apetite).
Btw, does Chkn Fryd switch log-in names? Is he also Niki, David Wilson, Larry Craig’s Stall, etc.? That would explain a lot. Then, again, which is scarier: A left-tard with multiple personalities, or a bunch of left-tards who all share the same diseased brain?
T.S. commented:
Went to WashU in the late 90′s. Was a very nice place then. Quite liberal, but what school isn’t!?! That was in the Clinton/Lewinsky era. After reading the update about the school paper article on how to give a “textbook” oral, it looks like sex is much, much more in the open on campus. But it was that way on the Ivy campuses as far back as the early 90′s.
Had a friend who brought the Yale student paper home with him when he returned from Freshman year Christmas break in 1993. The FRONT PAGE of the Yale student paper had a headline that read, “I’m Chinese, Queer, and I Like to Suck D**K!” Below the headline was an article and a large picture of the author doing what the headline said he liked to do. The article continued inside the paper, where it featured photos of the author being sodomized in various positions (most notably, including the wheelbarrow position). That was really pushing the envelope in American culture back then, although it was considered nothing out of the ordinary at Yale.
It looks like WUStL is just trying to catch up to where the Ivies were over 15 years ago … but what else is new!?!
aprilnovember811 commented:
These people are useful idiots. They will be degenerates their entire lives.
AuntieMadder commented:
Nikki commented:
“Question…if the $20,000 was the sticking point for the students and Bristol really wanted to do this and get her message out, why wouldn’t she do it for free or for an even more reduced cost?”
Did Bristol or someone else say she really wanted to do this? I wouldn’t, if I were her. In fact, after reading a little bit them and getting a feel for the hostility and dislike that the students in general have for Palin, I’d want more money to talk to them, not less. (She should add an “@$$holes pay extra” clause to her contracts.)
Anyway, she’s free to ask whatever fee she wants just as those asking her to speak are free to accept or reject her terms, so it doesn’t matter to me if she asks for $20 or $20 bazillion. But the vague wording makes it impossible to determine how much of the $20k for the panel would have been Palin’s cut. Surely, the SUT or the SHAC aren’t falsely citing her fee as the primary reason for the student protests and the resulting cancellation because it doesn’t leave the student body looking like a bunch of jackasses. Naw…that would never happen.
“Student Union Treasury on Tuesday approved a $20,000 appeal by the Student Health Advisory Committee (SHAC) to sponsor a four-person panel featuring Palin. The appeal was initially set at $25,000 and renegotiated.”
kansas commented:
Liberals going to admit to stifling free speech now? Getting scary in this country about now.
AuntieMadder commented:
Robert Neville commented: So many men in that protest photo. The Palin “He-man Woman Haters Club” strikes again! lol
Or the Horny College Guys Abstinence Haters Club.
raven commented:
Pathetic children. Colleges are worse than a wasteland. They’re hot zones of profane and dangerous idiocy. These children have lost grip of the primary truth of free speech and a free civilization.
Blacque Jacques Shellacque commented:
If Mr Elman is smart, he’ll learn something from this.
Dave commented:
Kids are ALWAYS the useful idiots in the marxist/socialist revolution. The colleges fanatically supported hitler, mao, stalin, castro, chavez, that Che dude, because they are all idiots. My favorite quote from Winston Churchill….
“If one is 20 and not a liberal he has no heart, if one is 40 and not a conservative he has no brain”
rbosque commented:
@Larry Craig’s stall
“pot meets kettle”? No one is censoring anyone here, your analogy is ridiculous.
Bob Miller commented:
Appears like nothing has changed since the SDS were active on colleges in the 60-70′s.
Wishing all those complaining a date with the Draft while they are in collge… Give them something to REALLY COMPLAIN about.
Little do they realize they will be living with mommy and daddy when they graduate because they WON’T have jobs..
Jerry C commented:
“But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise;”-1 Corinthians 1:27
Here’s the rundown:
1. Libturds want to have sex, so abstinence makes no sense
2. Libturds don’t want any responsibility, so keeping the child makes no sense
3. Libturds don’t want to hear other viewpoints, so listening to Palin makes no sense
4. Libturds believe themselves to be wise, so paying anyone else makes no sense
Truth:
1. Abstinence is 100% effective
2. Taking responsibility for one’s mistake IS a virtue
3. An intelligent person can learn from other’s mistakes
4. Wisdom is accepting the fact you don’t know everything
Libturds reject the truth, so they believe in foolishness.
Tracy commented:
I bet if Bristol was invited to strip for these lefties, get a vulgar tatoo put on her skin on stage, talk about how wonderful pre-marital sex is, announce her support of the National Organization of Women, then blow a kiss to Obama with an oversized beer bottle in the other hand, only then would Bristol be accepted for the speaking engagement. Fortunately she is not that kind of young lady.
kansas commented:
The new civility is a little disturbing.
locomotivebreath1901 commented:
There you have it: democracy in action, with a heavy dose of intolerance & bigotry for flavor.
Yet, I’m quite certain these undergrads protesting Palin’s appearance merely expressed an open-minded, all things considered, and viewpoints respected in the market place of ideas kind of intolerance & bigotry.
So, it’s OK.
A Conservative WashU Student commented:
I have to say that as a conservative on the campus (yes, we do exist and yes we are highly marginalized), I was a bit bothered to see that this story bears zero resemblance to what actually transpired on campus. Bristol Palin was not simply uninvited because of liberal activists/protestors. It was a campus-wide effort that involved both the College Dems and College Republicans as the supporting backbone of the movement. Others who joined in were members of just about every political persuasion, including a contingent of the WashU Conservative Leadership Association’s membership.
I hold, as a conservative myself, that regardless of Bristol Palin’s political persuasions, or her mother’s, bringing Bristol to campus would not provide a worthwhile experience. $20,000 is a very large sum to pay for a speaker and if that money is going to come out of mine and everybody else’s tuition (which is does, being that it was a Student Union Treasury-funded event, paid for by “Student Activities Fees” which are built into tuition), then we should spend it on someone qualified to speak. Bristol was supposed to talk about “The Difficulties of Abstinence on College Campuses.” Given that she has obviously not been abstinent in her own sexual endeavors, nor has she ever attended college, she has absolutely no experience or credibility to speak on the issue, whatsoever.
You can be part of the “Right Network” and you can pretend to be informed, but you’re a pretty laughable bunch, being that you comment so viciously on a rather false story with vicious, partisan attacks. Say what you want, it is your right to do so, but you look foolish for doing so. This place may be overrun with liberal ideology to the point where I actually got the can from the student newspaper’s opinion section for simply being conservative, but until you actually step foot on campus and do a little bit of investigation, you have no credibility. Even a *liberal* arts education would teach you such simple principles of rhetoric and argumentation.
Guy in Ohio commented:
#36 January 28, 2011 at 9:15 am
Vicki commented:
“It is not a free speech issue. Government is not stifling her speech. This is a market based decision. The consumers don’t want what she is selling”
Vicki, since when are STUDENTS considered the “consumers” at a college? The school administration, and by proxy, the parents, who are paying most of the tuition, are the consumers, NOT the students. Here’s a clue for you … the students are nothing but a bunch of MORONS, sent there by their parents to LEARN SOMETHING. Do you really think it’s a good idea to let a bunch of bratty, ignorant, self-absorbed, CHILDREN decide who gets to teach them and who doesn’t?
Those decisions should be up to ADULTS, who have far more knowledge and life experience. They should decide what the message will be, who will present it, and how it will be presented. Are you really so biased against Palin that you would side with a bunch of children and ignore the fact that the kids have been given control of the candy store here? Then again, perhaps you’re one of the children ….
Guy in Ohio commented:
#173 January 28, 2011 at 4:41 pm
A Conservative WashU Student …
You are a perfect example of my point above. For one thing, at your age, you have no idea what a conservative is. Any time I see a comment from a student that starts with “I’m a conservative” I know I’m about to hear a bunch of liberal BS. You are not a conservative, you are a dope, and you are in need of much more education before you will be allowed to call yourself conservative. What could you possibly know about Bristol Palin’s experience until you hear her story, face to face? No, you and your Republican friends are nothing but liberals in conservative clothing. True conservatives don’t stifle free speech, or attack the character of a person they haven’t even met, based on lies and misinformation. A conservative student, if one even exists, would be happy to open their mind and absorb the wisdom Bristol has to offer, rather than judge her and tear her down like a school yard brat.
I hope you do become a conservative some day, but you have a LONG way to go my friend.
Jeff commented:
Useful Idiots.
A Conservative WashU Student commented:
That’d be all well and good if you were right, “Guy in Ohio.” The problem is that you are not. You’re also speaking rather hypocritically as you are attacking my character when you do not even know me. You can say that I do not know what a conservative is, but you’d again be wrong. Finally, you assume I am a Republican. Nothing could be further from the truth. I cannot stand the Republican party as they are very NOT conservative. Instead, they’ve been overrun by evangelical robots that want to impose “Christian” values on America. No no, this is not conservative at all. These are people who burn books and rant about the evils of government while expanding the powers of the executive and increasing handouts (Medicare Part D anyone?).
Instead I stand as someone who would much prefer to save my own money. If I’m going to pay $54,000 to attend this University, which I do, then perhaps I have a right to say what I do and do not think is a good use of my money. When was the last time you had your brokerage account wire $54k to Washington University? Never? Didn’t think so. It is well within the rights of myself and my peers to protest when we believe our money is being wasted. If somebody has experienced neither of the things they purport to talk expertly about, then why should we pay them so much money? If Bristol Palin was coming here for, maybe, $2000, then I would not object and I would go hear her speak. However the honorarium is simply far too high to justify it.
In academia, we have standards. If you’re going to talk about science, be a scientist. If you’re doing a comedy routine, being a comedian helps. However bringing in a high-school grad with a toddler to talk about not having sex and college life is absolutely ludicrous. She has no credibility. It is not conducive to learning or intellectual thought to bring her here. I am perplexed as to why you are so in favor of wasting money. Perhaps it grows on your trees, but certainly not on mine. For the sake of becoming a better-educated person, I’d rather pay to hear those with even a quantum of credibility.
A Conservative WashU Student commented:
By the way, “Guy in Ohio” – you really show your ignorance when you say “decisions [about who gets to teach to the students] should be up to ADULTS, who have far more knowledge and life experience.” It was actually a panel of seven students who voted to allocate the money for Palin to show up. Try being informed next time, otherwise you just come off as a schoolyard brat, harassing Vicki for speaking her mind.
focked commented:
Wow, I should just change my moniker to “A Real Conservative WashU Student” for authenticity. Really, just stop the lecture. Anyone can claim to be whatever they want on a blog comment section.
The above is something right out of dKOS or Media Mutters. Could you possibly be any more disingenuous? Save it for Katrina vanden Heuvel. Please retreat back to your Young Affirmative Club, as you’ve added nothing to the conversation save condescension.
Patrick Glenn commented:
WashU Student: first off, I commend you for getting involved in campus politics.
You might consider yourself “conservative,” but your statements are sending mixed signals. It’s doubly commendable that you’re paying your own way through college and seem to be quite responsible with your money. But when we refer to “conservative” in a political semse, we mean a set (or range) of guiding philosophical beliefs & principles. That you might be conservative in terms of your personal life choices is great, but it does not mean you support the “cause.”
That cause, btw, is not furthered by people who are hostile to Christian/social conservatives. I’m much more of classical liberal at heart than a social conservative, yet I’ve been around long enough to know who our real allies are. Hard-core Hayekian classical liberals (or conservative libertarians) understand that promotion of traditional “family values” often go hand-in-hand with market capitalism, maximizing personal freedoms, and prosperity.
Cultural marxism will often have the appearance of delivering more freedom of personal choices in the short-term, but in the long-term delivers just the opposite. Basically, you give yourself away when you suggest, in a conspiratorial way, that the U.S. is being overrun by “evangelical robots.” In an era of gay marriage, non-stop sex/violence in pop media/culture (including the sexualization of children), and so forth, please explain to me how these robots are imposing their wills? And I write this as someone who once lived a lifestyle that’d probably make your current lifestyle look like visit to a convent.
With that out of my system, I was also curious: How do you think the leftover $19,000 in activity fees should be spent? Also, who would be “qualified” to speak about abstinence (or a description of how such the qualifications would be met)? How will the students’ successful opposition to BP’s speaking on campus improve their respective financial situations? Do the Washington University Republicans make a habit of allying with the WU Democrats?
wanumba commented:
What a CROCK!!
Was ANYONE on that panel worth THOUSANDS $$$ for no more than THREE HOURS MAX of yadda yadda? Carpenters who build an entire addition on your house can’t charge like that for only three hours work and they actually DO something USEFUL. Universities COVET the RICH life, so they jack costs every year to feather their nests and produce LESS. The fake whinging about Palin is a JOKE to single her out amongst the entire lot of them AND the RACKET of university speakers’ fees. Palin is being scapegoated solely for her NAME.
Why the snobby picking on Bristol Palin? She actually has to support her son by herself on just a HS diploma because deadbeat dad skipped out. Paris Hilton whose “job” is to stand around doing nothing for the purpose of getting flattered by people who want her to dribble some of Daddy’s money on them, drops more on an afternoon shopping that she didn’t earn than Bristol Palin had to work for to pay for an entire HOUSE. Hilton is an actual public HAZARD, she’s SO useless she keeps getting traffic stops for DUI, and Daddy gets her OFF, but she’d be the cats meow if she could actually speak anything on the college circuit.
How come no one whinges about the fees paid to the REST of the Dancing With Stars dancers? The show was designed to bring in all sorts of amateurs, but somehow is wasn’t “riiight” to let Palin be part of it. She actually raised the ratings, the KEY, the ALL of media. SO, they don’t mind at all USING her so they can CHARGE advertizers MORE, then throwing her away, yet the very same Liberals are so INSECURE they can’t even be POLITE.
Palin, who probably very much wants to go to college, but has to figure out now how and still raise a child, is not going to be able to afford WashU, TOO EXPENSIVE, but the callous and self-centered students at WashU have their rich parents cover their educations, buy their fancy cars. Seriously, at $54,000 a year, WHAT is the value-added that makes it so expensive?
Cachet. The “label.” Like a $100 label on a $5 t-shirt.
They are THAT predictable and indoctrinated over there.
It’s no deeper than “Palin” is NOT their BRAND.
Cut the pseudo-intellectually moral BS.
AuntieMadder commented:
#173 January 28, 2011 at 4:41 pm
A Conservative WashU Student commented:
You were doing well, had my attention, your well-chosen words were persuasive and I was beginning to think that this story wasn’t being reported well here or even in the two pieces I read at the college web site. And then I reached your third paragraph, and, after reading about half of it, felt more than thoroughly insulted and tuned you out, not at all concerned anymore if the story reported is or isn’t factual because I just don’t care how fairly and accurately condescending smart@$$es like yourself are reported on by bloggers and other online news sources.
AuntieMadder commented:
A Conservative WashU Student, after reading your posts at 5:42 and 5:46, I no longer have an impression of you as a condescending smart@$$. Now I’m positive you’re a know-it-all know-nothing with a nagging case of PMS…at least I hope for your sake it’s PMS and you’re not actually like this all the time.
andybud commented:
Yes, because Bristol Palin’s situation, as the daughter of a well-heeled politician (and now right-wing media darling), which she has then used to turn into a modest commercial success for herself, is EXACTLY like, for example, a single mother attempting to attend college, paying her own way through, and living on the edge of poverty the whole time, while she juggles the needs of a child against the need to ensure a good future for herself and that child.
I love wanumba’s comment:
“Why the snobby picking on Bristol Palin? She actually has to support her son by herself on just a HS diploma because deadbeat dad skipped out.”
Yeah, she’s working 10-to-10 at the Gas-and-Sip with no help from anyone else.
Perhaps, you dim-witted slugs, the problem is the messenger, and not the message itself.
I know this comment won’t make a bit of difference (see: dim-witted slugs), but enjoy.
Jester commented:
“Following student dissent, Palin and SU mutually decided that Palin would not speak on campus.”
…..so it was the students that didn’t want her there. Why is this the fault of “enraged leftists”?
Militant Conservative commented:
#97 January 28, 2011 at 11:41 am
David Wilson commented:
Thus proving my point they are not the MEGA opolis huge schools.
Texas A&M and Longhorns are definately liberal as they are in the Austin/San antonio coridor. Its a disease with colleges. they cannot help but become liberal terd factories.
My little college in Oklahoma same thing. Heavy influence by the military base but the young skulls full o mush predominate. they think in terms of a utopian world which will never happen. Most wake up but sadly even more join the government and keep th ideals of free everything. bunch of dumbasses if you ask me.
Mary commented:
This is stupid! If students didn’t want to hear her, they didn’t have to go listen to her. People who wanted to hear her, could go! Where is the tolerance?
wanumba commented:
American education is a disaster. It’s going to collapse this nation – the outrageous costs, the lack of skills aquisition, education, and the waste of years. There is no free exchange of ideas, it’s monolithic and conformist, stifling innovation and reasoning.
The Left is in charge of it pre-K to PhD; their #1 efforts are NOT educating but UNIONIZING and TENURE. They dishonestly blame the “right” even though they evicerated traditional classical education and hounded Conservatives and Republicans out.
Never take responsibilty – always find someone else to scapegoat for the FAIL that is OWNED by the LEFT, the DEMOCRATS. The students have been well-taught for YEARS to tantrum to shut down opposing thoughts, opposing voices, other ideas.
wanumba commented:
152 January 28, 2011 at 2:45 pm
Nikki commented:
Question…if the $20,000 was the sticking point for the students and Bristol really wanted to do this and get her message out, why wouldn’t she do it for free or for an even more reduced cost?
……………
How does she pay for her transportation to and from the venue? She doesn’t live there, she needs hotel, meals unless they provide all that, too. Paris Hilton can afford freebies because she’s an hieress to a fortune. Media darling, because she bad-mouths Republicans and Conservatives, Meghan McCain doesn’t need a penny of pay either, she’s an heiress to a fortune, too. Students at WashU can afford $54,000 a year for the priviledge of attending there, but Palin doesn’t have that kind of deep pockets.
The sneering class looking down a the working class. American “Upward Mobility” isn’t part of the deal anymore evidently. Statism and peasantry.
joeyess commented:
conservatives=useful idiots.
AuntieMadder commented:
andybud commented: Yes, because Bristol Palin’s situation, as the daughter of a well-heeled politician (and now right-wing media darling), which she has then used to turn into a modest commercial success for herself, is EXACTLY like, for example, a single mother attempting to attend college, paying her own way through, and living on the edge of poverty the whole time, while she juggles the needs of a child against the need to ensure a good future for herself and that child.
And that drives you lefturds absolutely batsh!t crazy with envy. Your bloated sense of entitlement just won’t let the envy rest. How dare she have sex against her mother’s wishes and teachings, get knocked up, have a child out of wedlock, and not pay for it day in and day out in misery and poverty? How dare her parents continue to support her financially and emotionally after she disobeyed them? Oh, and how dare that mother of hers promote her and teach her how to promote herself when that’s not what teen moms are supposed to do? What is wrong with those people? Don’t they know that girl’s got to pay for her sins, libtard-style, by becoming another miserable, poor welfare mother? Good thing you libtards are around to help keep her in her place. Otherwise, she might get too uppity or something, start forgetting that she’s nothing but a teenaged ‘ho with a b@st@rd son to prove it. We couldn’t have that.
“I love wanumba’s comment:
“Why the snobby picking on Bristol Palin? She actually has to support her son by herself on just a HS diploma because deadbeat dad skipped out.”
Yeah, she’s working 10-to-10 at the Gas-and-Sip with no help from anyone else.
Perhaps, you dim-witted slugs, the problem is the messenger, and not the message itself.
I know this comment won’t make a bit of difference (see: dim-witted slugs), but enjoy.”
If only you had their wealth, your world would be perfect, no? Because wealth makes everything easy. Everything. And believing they’ve got it so easy while you’re expected to put forth so much effort makes you hate them.
We’re not dim-witted slugs, not be a long shot. In fact, we’ve enough wits about us to know that although not having enough money does make life harder and being broke can even make a person miserable, a lot of money doesn’t ensure an easy life or protect one from misery. Idiot.
AuntieMadder commented:
joeyess commented: conservatives=useful idiots.
LOL!
Larry commented:
Good grief…you people are so full of crap.
Larry commented:
Dear poor deluded AuntieMadder,
Please remove your head from your ass and take a deep breath dear.
beejeez commented:
Because I’m sure that if the Palins were Democrats, Republicans would be perfectly cool with a university spending $20,000 to have a celebrity teen-age unwed mom talk about abstinence to college students.
timb commented:
This is, without a doubt, the dumbest comment section on the internet. You people live in fairy land where objective reality is a foreign concept. An alleged university student comes on to give you the skinny and you old white people can’t wait to throw him/her overboard for not being “conservative” enough. Apparently, conservatism means a cult of personality
Nikki commented:
“”Students at WashU can afford $54,000 a year for the priviledge of attending there, but Palin doesn’t have that kind of deep pockets.”
BP just paid over $170,000 cash for a house in ARizona. She’s got deep pockets.
Patrick commented:
Actually it was paying 20,000 to a daughter of a rich person which bothered them. Bristol can speak for free
Guy in Ohio commented:
timb = racist
Enough said ….
Guy in Ohio commented:
To “A Conservative WashU Student” -
You’re a shining example of the complete failure of our educational system. Grow up, try to learn something useful, and then go out and get yourself a job. You may have a hard time finding someone to hire you though. Employers don’t much care for smart asses who think they know how to do everything better than they do.
In the mean time, leave the decision making to the adults. We are a LOT smarter than you are…
AuntieMadder commented:
Larry commented:
“Dear poor deluded AuntieMadder,
Please remove your head from your ass and take a deep breath dear.”
Is that all you’ve got? Go back to the playground with the other kiddies.
PS: Please don’t use endearments when addressing me. I’m not dear to you or vice-versa. Quite the opposite, in fact.
AuntieMadder commented:
beejeez commented:
“Because I’m sure that if the Palins were Democrats, Republicans would be perfectly cool with a university spending $20,000 to have a celebrity teen-age unwed mom talk about abstinence to college students.”
…as if a Demonrat would ever promote abstinence. LOL!
AuntieMadder commented:
Patrick commented: Actually it was paying 20,000 to a daughter of a rich person which bothered them. Bristol can speak for free
Because some people have already been paid enough. Sound familiar?
Jerry C commented:
I have earned B.S. degrees in Finance & Accounting, certification in my state as a C.P.A. and many years of hands-on, real-world business experience. Why is it I almost always work for someone who didn’t graduate college, let alone barely high school? You Libturds paying $54,000/yr for at least 4 years at Washington University so you can work for someone who flunked out of high school! Stupid is as stupid does.