Did Barack Obama Cause the Shootings Yesterday in Tucson?

Did Barack Obama cause the shootings yesterday in Tucson?

(Townhall)

The media and democrats want us to focus on the nation’s “caustic political climate” after the tragedy yesterday. Maybe they should start with President Obama.
He may be the worst offender.

** Obama: “They Bring a Knife…We Bring a Gun”
** Obama to His Followers: “Get in Their Faces!”
** Obama on ACORN Mobs: “I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!”
** Obama to His Mercenary Army: “Hit Back Twice As Hard”
** Obama on the private sector: “We talk to these folks… so I know whose ass to kick.
** Obama to voters: Republican victory would mean “hand to hand combat
** Obama to lib supporters: “It’s time to Fight for it.”
** Obama to Latino supporters: “Punish your enemies.”
** Obama to democrats: “I’m itching for a fight.”

If the media really wants to improve the “caustic political climate” they may want to start at the White House.

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  • Granny

    Amen!

  • willy

    Journalists urged caution after Ft. Hood, now race to blame Palin after Arizona shootings.
    LOL.

  • http://balloon-juice.com xian

    you’re really grasping at straws now. maybe time for you to “RE-LOAD!”?

  • gorgo

    If any human being apart from the shooter is responsible, it’s someone who says things like Obama has said.

    What Palin REALLY REALLY REALLY ought to do is Tweet these quotes of Obama’s and ask the left, “Now WHO is really to blame for promoting violence?”

  • Mahdi Al-Dajjal

    Saw a talking head on “Special Ed” Shultz’s program last night talking with Special Ed about how the Tea Party was a direct result of the shooting in Tucson yesterday.

  • pete t

    Nice try though

  • timwi

    Although he didn’t cause the shooting I think if we want to talk about toning things down the first place to start is with Barack Obama. The reason the last election happened is because Barack forgot that in the US we have a leader and not a king or a dictator. He still intends to rule us as if the rule of law, the people we elect, and we ourselves have no say in this country. He still intends to go around the constitution and avoid the rule of law and rule by edict. He still intends to use a small group of radical cohorts to impose and create a new America. Barack Obama is ruling this country through violence- the violence of absolute power. He also has an absolute lack of ability to censor his statements when not on teleprompter and frequently blurts out angry and violent statements that you would expect to hear from a low level Chicago activist in the streets. Barack Obama didn’t cause the mentally unstable young man to shoot anyone but he is certainly responsible for the state of discourse in this country.

  • NC Cop

    “Nice try though”

    Brilliant response.

  • Jeffery

    Jim Hoft has blood on his hands.

  • Jack

    Apparently, Daily Kos has scrubbed all references to this posting in June 2008….

    “…we can narrow the target list by looking at those Democrats who sold out the Constitution last week. I’ve bolded members of the Blue Dogs for added emphasis…”

    Rep. Giffords was one of the bolded Blue Dogs on the target list.

  • Chisum

    Xian @ #3,,

    Here you go.

    I found this list at JOM.

    Why don’t people who are so intent on blaming things politicians have said for this tragedy ever mention rhetoric from Democrats and liberals including:

    President Obama:

    “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,” Obama said in Philadelphia last night. “Because from what I understand, folks in Philly like a good brawl. I’ve seen Eagles fans.”

    And
    “I need you to go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors. I want you to talk to them whether they are independent or whether they are Republican. I want you to argue with them and get in their face.”

    Or John Kerry who said on the Bill Maher show: “I could have gone to 1600 Pennsylvania and killed the real bird with one stone.”

    Or Howard Dean “I hate the Republicans and everything they stand for…”

    and: “This is a struggle between good and evil and we’re the good?”

    and “we need to remember that the enemy here is George Bush, not each other.”

    Or Senator Chuck Schumer who called a flight attendant a “bitch.”

    Or the Florida Democrats who ran an ad calling for the assassination of Donald
    Rumsfeld

    Or New York State Comptroller Alan Hevesi who called for Senator Schumer to “put a bullet between the president’s eyes?”

    Or Jonathan Chait who said “I hate President George W. Bush.”

    Or singer Rickie Lee Jones who aid of President Bush “You’re an ignorant, low-class, opportunistic man, both personally and politically, who does everything for political gain and nothing for the wellbeing of the people, and you should not be in office, and the kind of fascism you’re perpetrating on our country we don’t want, and you’re out. We’re done with you. Ffffhgggmm.”

    And when asked if she would be willing to take Bush out for the benefit of democracy? “If I say that, I might get arrested when I go back. And I have to go home.” She’s thinking it out carefully. “I guess the question is, would I kill anyone? And the answer is, no. But would I feel sorry if someone killed him? No, I wouldn’t. It would depend on who killed him, I guess.”

    Or “The Late Late Show with Craig Kilborn” where they superimposed the words “Snipers Wanted” over an image of Bush delivering his acceptance speech at the Republican convention.

    Or Nobel Peace Prize winner Betty Williams who said she could kill President Bush?

    Or Randi Rhodes who joked about killing the President?

    Or Reverend Wright who called Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice, Condoskeeza [sic] Rice.

    Or England’s Charlie Brooker who wrote: “On November 2, the entire civilised world will be praying, praying Bush loses. And Sod’s law dictates he’ll probably win, thereby disproving the existence of God once and for all. The world will endure four more years of idiocy, arrogance and unwarranted bloodshed, with no benevolent deity to watch over and save us. John Wilkes Booth, Lee Harvey Oswald, John Hinckley Jr – where are you now that we need you?”

  • Henry Hawkins

    I am a forensic psychologist. I am credentialed and experienced in evaluating people for mental illness who’ve been convicted of a crime. I’ve been doing this all day, every day for decades. Since I began in 1984, I have evaluated at least… three dozen (?) people whose conviction was for killing someone, whether the charge was murder, manslaughter, etc.

    The meager info available on this shooter paints a clear picture of psychosis. Of that I am 100% certain. I am about 75% certain he is a schizophrenic, paranoid type. Typical age of onset for schizophrenia is the late teens, early twenties. The shooter is 22. Schizophrenia is negatively progressive. He likely will have experienced the first symptoms within the last five years, and he will have been slowly decompensating since then. He is not totally ‘nuts’. That he remained free and functioning to some degree indicates he hadn’t decompensated enough to draw the attention of authorities or to get himself committed. Yesterday that changed and that line was crossed.

    The shooter, like all schizophrenics in a similar place on the downward spiral through decompensation, made attempts to ‘reason’ out explanations for what was slowly happening to his mind. His mind was not completely befogged, and he would transit between normalcy and delusional thinking. Available info indicates delusions – primarily that the government is controlling his and others’ minds using English grammar. He has expressed other nonsensical delusions with a common thread that places blame on the government. He very likely was experiencing audio hallucinations – hearing voices. That which was still rational within him explained the growing irrationalites by developing paranoid delusions about government intrusions into his mind. The Catch-22 is that he is trying to explain his sickening mind with a sickening mind.

    We also have info that he had tried to enlist in the military and was denied, another motive to hate the government. Depending on the branch to which he applied, his earlier drug paraphernalia charge would be enough to preclude enlistment. The recruiter likely identified mental problems, another reason to deny entry.

    The likely salient points are this: he’s psychotic and slowly decompensating and is aware something isn’t quite right in his head. He is judging a sick mind with a sick mind, so the effort understandably goes haywire. Per schizophrenic symptomology, he develops delusions against the government, which are likely strengthened by his denial for military service. As he gets sicker, the world becomes scarier, and his paranoia grows. The Government begins to loom large as his primary enemy. Since he believes the government also controls other people’s minds, he may see himself as a martyr as he looks for ways to get back at the government, to defend himself from the government. This is the trajectory until yesterday.

    He likely saw a media report about Giffords’ public appearance. The report would have given date, time, and location. He decides now is the time to strike back at his persecutors, and perhaps he goes to defend other ‘victims’ as well, others controlled by the government. He locates the public event and starts shooting. It is horrible, but as simple as that.

    Politics, in the sense that normal, mentally healthy people engage in them, likely had absolutely nothing to do with this shooting. That element isn’t necessary. True political killings are exceedingly rare, their numbers miniscule factored against a population of over 300 million people. If controversial and heated politics led to killings committed by sane people, we’d be knee deep in bodies. It rarely happens.

    Thought experiment:

    Two elements: mental illness & political affiliation. We know the shooter is psychotic, deeply mentally ill. On that I’ll bet the farm. I’ll eat Keith Olbermann’s shorts if this shooter is not insane. Let’s also say the shooter is definitively a lefty. Lefty readers feel free to say the shooter is definitively a righty. Take your two-element pick: Crazy Lefty or Crazy Righty. Now….

    If you remove the political affiliation, make this crazy shooter nonpolitical, would the shooting have been more or less likely?

    If you remove the mental illness, make this Lefty or Righty shooter completely sane, would the shooting have been more or less likely?

    It is the mental illness that caused this shooting. While arguments can be made that the shooter leaned more this way or that on politics, there is no evidence those politics had any part in motivating the shooting. I strongly believe the reason the victims included a Congresswoman and a Federal judge is because they represented the evil government to the delusional shooter. This is indicated by the fact that the Congresswoman was a Democrat and the judge a Republican. Their political affiliations meant nothing to the shooter. That they were part of the government meant everything.

  • Ginger

    gorgo…if you tweet please do it. Give Sarah some amo to fight back. Someone send Sarah the target picture of Dail Kos where they show the names and picture of the congress woman and an arrow pointing at her name.

    I tried to get into Geraldo the liberal pigs e-mail but it is NOT allowing me. Some how I got that picture to Sean to pass on but tried again and all of a sudden word press will not let me?????

    I am going to try the link here just to see what happens. I am learning. :)

    http://hillbuzz.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/screenshot-2011-01-08-at3-0533-pm.png

  • Granny

    Henry Hawkins, the real people you need to be saying all this too – because most of us happen to agree with you – are the talking heads, pundits, news announcers and even the occasional “law maker” who have laid this squarely on the doorstep of the Tea Party &/or Sarah Palin without so much as the first tiny shred of evidence.

  • Ginger

    404 ERROR…so are they blocking it now?

  • Henry Hawkins

    PS: The shooter is clinically insane, psychotic, of that I’m sure. He may or may not meet the criteria for legally insane, which is a legal assessment more than a psychiatric assessment.

  • Conservative to the Core

    Purely coincidently, a few hours after the shooting, Sarah Palin’s television show was “not renewed.”

    Sarah Palin’s Alaska Not Renewed: Report

    http://www.usmagazine.com/moviestvmusic/news/sarah-palins-alaska-not-renewed-for-season-2-report-201181

    Meanwhile, Obama’s show remains with us.

  • Granny

    #13 – Ginger. You can’t access the file because somebody has removed it. Mustn’t leave evidence that anyone other than Sarah Palin or the Tea Party might be similarly or identically “responsible” you know. Perhaps someone was smart enough to screen cap it. Next time you come across something like that, take a screen shot of it. Firefox free add on Screengrab! works well on a Mac. There is also a similarly handy free add on for PC.

  • gus

    Where was the MEDIA and LIBTARDS when OBAMA was advocating VIOLENCE?

  • gus

    LIBTARDS put down the crack pipe and the Mad magazines, finish you Cocoa puffs, then try to show US……………ANYONE……in politics in the United States that advocated violence like Obama does.

    Peewee, you can join in after you nap.

  • redbrightandtrue

    When the MSM and the Left started DESPERATELY trying to pin this on the right/conservatives/Tea Party yesterday, I immediately thought of all the violent imagery Barack used as candidate and even as President.

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  • pst314

    Another example of violent liberals: The actor who ranted on stage that we should all kill Henry Hyde and his supporters and then kill all their families.

  • gus

    Conservative to the Core. It must have been the good ratings, or the fact that Palin’s Alaska has NO GLOBAL WARMING.

    This is LIBERALISM in ACTION.

    There will be more bloodshed.

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  • Andreas K.

    “It is the mental illness that caused this shooting.”

    No it wasn’t. He made a choice. I’m sick and tired of this crap that absolves every killer, murderer, rapist, every monster in our society because he had a rough childhood, because he had a mental illness or because his mommy didn’t hug him enough when he was a kid!

    He made a choice. He took the gun and shot these people. He took the gun, prepared it, loaded the magazine, put the magazine in, chambered a round, went there and deliberately aimed at these people and opened fire. His choice and his choice alone. Case closed.

  • Ginger

    Thanks Granny…I know now! What is screen cap?

    We need to focus…Remember “Never let a tragedy go to waste” We have to watch what the left hand is doing. Funny because the fraud is left handed! They are up to something.

  • gus

    Why is it Mental Illness when they make a bad choice and get VIOLENT, but it’s HOPE and CHANGE when the MENTALLY ILL vote for a MARXIST who hides his past???

  • No Man

    Yes.

    Obama is responsible for the murders.

    He runs 24/7 on class and race hate.

  • Ginger

    OMG…I went into my favorites menu to see and low and behold it will not do anything. Word press is EVIL too? They wnat to protect Daily Koes?????????????????

  • Chisum

    Jeffery @ #9,

    You have cemented your place and title here at GP. From now on you will be our first POS Troll. After this comment and your performance two days ago here on this blog you have earned it.

    Take a bow.

    Keep your eyes peeled for the process server.

  • Granny

    A screen cap, Ginger, is a picture of whatever happens to be on your computer screen. I particularly like Screengrab because it will allow you to grab just the visible part of your browser window or to grab the entire web page, including the part that does not show. Many screengrab programs will not do that.

    Because it is a picture, a screen grab has embedded information about where/when it was caught, so it is “proof” that something once existed. If you just save the web page, then you (assuming you know how) can easily go through the code and change it to whatever you would like it to be or say, thus it isn’t valid as “proof”

  • Henry Hawkins

    Granny, there is no lack of conservative posters in the other threads who have repeatedly made this a lib/con thing. The initial posting by this website, put up within minutes of first reports, was already playing the ‘he’s a liberal!’ card, and did so before any lib media blamed the right. There’ve been no lack of response posts telling me I’m nuts. With respects, I’ll decide where I’ll aim my posts.

    Best case scenario after a tragic event like this: Nobody tries to make political points out of it. Everybody takes the moral high ground.

    2nd best scenario (from my Conservative view): Libs play blame game, cons refuse to, take the moral high ground.

    Worst scenario: Both sides immediately devolve into irrelevant political blame-gaming.

    Remember how conservatives properly excoriated Obama for: “I don’t have all the facts, but the police clearly acted stupidly” ?

    None of us has the facts, nor does anyone in the media, or in politics. Law enforcement might, but aren’t releasing it, nor should they. What I’ve posted I identify as speculation based on limited info. I’ve qualified it. But as I read over the hundreds of posts in the assorted threads, I am appalled by the political gamesmanship being played by all sides, especially by the justification that the libs started it, we have to fight back. No, we don’t have to fight back. When your political opponents are making fools of themselves, it is best to stand quietly and let them. The worst thing to do is to provide an equally irrelevant pile of counterarguments, thereby leveling out the who-played-politics-with-a-tragedy measurement.

    Conservatives will remain conservatives no matter how the media tries to spin this, and libs will remain libs. Independents are no more or less intelligent than cons or libs and are perfectly capable of realizing the media is playing political games and insinuating blame without a shred of evidence. One of the chief complaints of independents about cons and libs is condescension, that cons and/or libs think indies are stupid, need everything explained to them lest they fall for the other side’s spin. It’s among the reasons that the number of indies is larger than the number of cons or libs and growing.

  • Granny

    Ginger, if you are trying to say that you went somewhere you had “saved” this missing file and it isn’t there either, that is because the file was removed from the server WordPress isn’t trying to protect anyone. The system is automated. Whoever “owned” the wordpress account where the file lived removed the file.

  • Granny

    Henry, you are incorrect. A democrat congresswoman had already announced that the shooter was a member of the tea party.

    Adreas K., I agree with you 100%. Mental illness may have made him more likely to do what he did, but by all appearances he was “together” enough to plan this and to even announce his goodbye’s. On his head be it.

  • gus

    Henry, Do you always diagnose without even meeting the patient.

    JUST ASKIN’.

  • Simon

    I have the facts, Henry.

  • Henry Hawkins

    @#26 – Andreas K – “No it wasn’t. He made a choice. I’m sick and tired of this crap that absolves every killer, murderer, rapist, every monster in our society because he had a rough childhood, because he had a mental illness or because his mommy didn’t hug him enough when he was a kid!

    He made a choice. He took the gun and shot these people. He took the gun, prepared it, loaded the magazine, put the magazine in, chambered a round, went there and deliberately aimed at these people and opened fire. His choice and his choice alone. Case closed.”

    Nobody has said he is absolved of his crime. He should and will be put away for life, indeed, may well face execution and I would support that 100%.

    What I said was that the shooter’s politics did not motivate this shooting, his mental illness did, specifically his delusion that the government is controlling his mind. He remains responsible for the crime however, no matter his motivations.

  • Andreas K.

    Henry, it will be the worst scenario. It always is. They will come with some weird legislation banning even more guns. They will try to stiffle freedom of speech even more.

    Ironically, they’re not doing anything to enforce the existing gun-laws.

    Because, enforcing existing laws is baaaaaaad, as seen on the southern border every day.

  • Ginger

    Granny…is Screen grab a thing you pay for like an anti-virus protection.

    If some one screen grabed the Koes where it shows the picture of the congress woman with the list of names and an arrow pointed to her needs to send it to Sarah somehow. Can it be spread on Tweet and Facebook? That has to be spread far and wide!

  • Andreas K.

    But the mental illness will absolve him. Just wait.

    And, frankly, someone who reads Marx and Hitler and lists them as favorite books must be mentally ill to begin with.

  • Granny

    No Ginger, as I pointed out in the original post, the Firefox add ons are free. At least Screen Grab is, as is the screen capture program that I used when I had a PC.

  • gorgo

    #33 January 9, 2011 at 10:12 am
    Henry Hawkins commented:

    “Granny, there is no lack of conservative posters in the other threads who have repeatedly made this a lib/con thing.”

    Only because THE SHOOTER HIMSELF – from what we know of him from his own rants – made it very, very political, Henry. We patiently tried explaining that to you yesterday, until you resorted to calling anyone who said so “less than sane.”

  • Henry Hawkins

    Gus, I very specifically pointed out I proceeded on limited information and was basing my assessment on that. I haven’t made any diagnosis. Offical diagnoses cover five different axes and entail much more detailing and specifications. I have posted my opinion, a diagnostic impression based on admittedly limited information in the comment section of a blog. It is entirely appropriate to do so.

  • gus

    Henry??? You said: “”What I said was that the shooter’s politics did not motivate this shooting, his mental illness did, specifically his delusion that the government is controlling his mind. He remains responsible for the crime however, no matter his motivations.”””

    So attacking someone he disagree with POLITICALLY is just a coincidence??

    Henry, you haven’t answered my question. Do you Clinically Diagnose via the INTERNET? You could have your own TV show.

  • gus

    Henry, I truly feel sorry for morons like you. Desperate to be important. Playing Psychiatrist/Psychologist on the NET to make yourself feel important. You’re a clown.

  • Granny

    #39 January 9, 2011 at 10:18 am
    Andreas K. commented:

    Henry, it will be the worst scenario. It always is. They will come with some weird legislation banning even more guns. They will try to stiffle freedom of speech even more.

    ___________

    There is one saving grace that you are forgetting Andreas. The Republicans now hold control of the House by a pretty wide majority. Barring an outright coup d’etat or an event that wipes out the entire membership of the House of Representatives, wierd laws are going to be much harder to pass than they were a few short weeks ago.

    Also remember that a fairly large number of Dems are up for election in 2012. I suspect they have all read the handwriting on the wall regarding wierd bills, power grabs and 2000+ page laws no one had bothered to read, given the experience of their fellow Dems in November.

  • Ginger

    Thank you …Granny I will now have my husband put it on my computer.

  • gus

    Henry, I’ve got a pain in my left ankle. PLEASE DIAGNOSE IT FOR ME.

  • Henry Hawkins

    Gorgo, I didn’t call you or anyone else insane, other than the shooter of course. What I called “less than sane” was the reasoning involved in the formulation that when an insane man with unidentied political leanings, though seemingly leftish, goes out out kills a binch of people, we blame his politics and not his insanity. If sane=reasonable and insane=unreasonable, then that formulation is less than sane. Not the formulater. The formulation.

    This is a good example of how heightened emotions impair critical thinking, which many will no doubt continue to prove by believing that too is calling people insane.

  • Sparky

    Loughner isn’t that insane. He certainly had enough wits about him to invoke his right to remain silent. I am sure he will soon be lawyered-up.

    If Conservatives do not fight back loudly and immediately, then the Left will be allowed to do an “Alinsky” on Palin and the Tea Party movement.

    The Left WANTS and EXPECTS capitulation because this is the behavior Conservatives have done for years.

    Now is not the time to be yellow and weak at the knees!

  • gus

    Flag burning Communist Manifesto loving LIBTARD shoots a Congress Person that he disagrees with.
    Clown pretend internet Psycho-therapist dismissed Politics, blames mental illness.
    Henry, maybe you could diagnose LIBERALISM for us??

  • Henry Hawkins

    Gus, grow up.

    Granny, sadly you are correct about worst scenarios and the misuse of events to further political agenda. I really hope that the Tea Party era and their considerable influences prevent Republicans from playing that game too.

  • Chippy

    This AZ massacre will no doubt be another reason for the Obama administration to take more individual liberty and freedom away from every American citizen. “You don’t ever want a crisis go to waste”, Rahm Emanuel.

  • Ginger

    Do not forget a lot of those Communist/socialist pigs/demo-rats will probably have to resign before 2012 elections. My goodness some of them are so old they can’t hardly walk. I saw one hunched over! Most of them are in the SENATE!

  • Jackie Aus

    You’re right!
    Obama is a FAKE, he failed to do the bare minimum for America, he is a loss for America and its economy.
    No matter how much he blames Bush… Obama FAILS big time.
    Plus, that was an anti-semitic crime
    But what’s most important now is to PRAY for the families of those victims, to give full support to those families and the people of Arizona, to be united left & right, stop taking or putting the blame and think of what’s next, think of how we can avoid such tragedies in the future.

  • Henry Hawkins

    Sparky, the left has been alinskying Palin and the Tea Party movement for over two years to little avail. This event isn’ going to improve there efforts. In fact, it is so obviously baseless to blame the TP or Palin on this, that their efforts to do so will likely backfire.

  • gus

    Dr Henry.. Intenet big shot. Expert long distance diagnosis MACHINE!!!

    I diagnose Henry as a MORON. It’s APPROPRIATE to do so.

  • Jackie Aus

    BTW I fully agree with Timwi’s comments

  • Joe Astroturf

    Obama and Nancy have been brewing this up for a while. They did nothing when Kenneth Gladney was almost killed by Ugly Andy’s SEIU thugs. I’m sure Jeremiah and Farrakhan are partying as we speak . One thing we can all be sure of is some Dem President like Jimmy (never met a Hamas terrorist or Anti-Semite he didn’t like ) Carter will grant Loughner clemency like the 1954 terrorists that tried to kill Republican Alvin Bentley and a few other representatives on the house floor. Maybe Van Jones loaned out his Communist Manifesto to him because he was mad they had to retake their death panels back again.

    Please Check out song called teapartiers I can’t hear you at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJfboOindCo

    Here’s a verse

    You won’t have to see that venemous plastic face
    she wants patriots like Gladney to disappear without a trace
    she wants the purple shirts to call him the “N” word and bury him in place

    Townhallers I still can’t hear you

    She should put a botox needle in that flabby neck
    presently she looks like something from StarTrek
    If something goes wrong she can blame it on the Teapartiers Rush or Beck

  • kato

    Don’t blame Obama. The biggest jive act in American history only reads what his teleprompter tells him to read.

  • gus

    He’s a POLITICAL expert too!!!! A man of many talents. Henry the Internet Psychtherapist.

    DR. HANK.

  • Slappy

    Henry Hawkins (#33):
    Granny, there is no lack of conservative posters in the other threads who have repeatedly made this a lib/con thing.

    Whoa, perhaps you should acknowledge that immediately after the shootings the Left and its willing accomplices in the media tried to blame the Right, Tea Partiers, and Sarah Palin for this tragic incident without any evidence supporting their claims, just supposition and nonexistent links. At least conservative posters supported their claims of his Leftist leanings by citing a comment on Twitter by an acquaintance, a video he liked on YouTube of an American flag being burned, and his stated criticism of the Constitution (you know, the document the Right is accused of being irrationally in love with).

  • Ang

    Thank you I have never been so furious at the left than yesterday. Although they are always predictable, theyve got a lot of nerve trying to blame others when their rhetoric is just as over the top.

  • vinny

    …think of how we can avoid such tragedies in the future.

    There’s only one way to make sure this doesn’t happen again. Help Loughner acheive room temperature.

  • Frank

    Those quotes look not like one from President of the United States but one of a Marxist or Socilaist dictator….

  • gus

    Ang. Loughner is a LIBTARD. His reading list and his political rhetoric and actions, MIRROR, Bill Ayers. Obama’s pal.

    I wonder if DOC HANK can do a quick diagnosis of Bill Ayers. You know Billy Boom Boom Ayers???
    Hankie-pooh?? Did Bill Ayers NOT ACT because of POLITICS too????
    What about Sirhan Sirhan Hankie Pankie????

  • Henry Hawkins

    @Slappy – I’ve acknowledged, ad nauseum, that both sides are policizing events. It is wrong for either side to do so. It is an impossibility to expect such a thing, but imagine if after this story had all played out, weeks or months from now, and when you looked back the record showed that only the liberal side politicized it. That would be enormously valuable in swaying independent voters, a bloc which is imperative for conservative efforts to expand the house, and win the Senate and WH.

  • gorgo

    Henry: “This is a good example of how heightened emotions impair critical thinking, which many will no doubt continue to prove by believing that too is calling people insane.”

    Now you backtrack from calling us less than sane to merely impaired in our critical thinking.

    Gus…get ‘im. :)

  • Henry Hawkins

    Gus, you’re making an idiot of yourself with these childish posts. Please stop.

  • FAITH7

    Even ‘Top Law Enforcement’ in Tuson AZ made PR Comments on TV that there is (and has been) vitrol coming from the Right (and then the left). Reading this made me furious. The Sheriff who made the SLANTED comments has no business doing ‘Political PR’ and pointing fingers (either way) to begin with. When in fact the Truth is, regarding this shooting, the Left was the FIRST to place blame on anything and everything Right. I think they were hoping it WAS a crazy ‘teabagger’.

    I admit I did write some pretty negative comments on a blog myself. Fueled only by the first second and third comment(s) I initially read, which placed blame squarely on the Right by the Left. It was purely a defensive reaction. Albeit there were the Communist Books and the American Flag Burning Video, both obviously Lefty Traits…

    I also agree as our Leader, Obama has had foot in mouth syndrome when it comes to ‘setting the tone’ for the Nation. When it comes to political discourse HE is the WORST OFFENDER!

  • gus

    Frank. Maybe Doctor Hank can diagnose the Really Groovie Super Duper Kenyan PRESIDUDE.
    I mean all the VIOLENT RHETORIC and IMAGERY, coupled with 2 FATHERS and HIS OWN MOTHER DUMPING HIM LIKE A WET DIAPER ought to have a CLINICAL DIAGNOSIS.

  • Laury

    Kudos Henry. You are truly a voice of reason among all of these diatribes. As the daughter of a psychologist, you are correct in stating that it was his mental state not his political beliefs that prompted this shooting.

    There are actually Liberals out there like me (a label given to me by my conservative Republican brother, but one I don’t agree with…I see myself as an Independent centrist or moderate) that actually welcome positive intelligent discourse over laying blame on others. I WANT to understand why people espouse beliefs and platforms that are different from my own, I want to look at ways of coming together that will benefit all of us as individuals and as a country. That won’t happen with the continuing antagonistic rhetoric or the hyper-partisan bickering that has hijacked public policy and politics in this country, but people like you Henry give me hope.

  • Peter Boston

    Add to the above Obama’s plain English appeal to Blacks and Latinos to vote their race against Republicans. Amazing.

  • gus

    AU CONTRAIRE HANK, I’m exposing what a fugging joke you are. Please fuk yourself.

  • No Man

    I will turn myself in tomorrow morning.

    Two weeks ago tomorrow, I listened to Rush Limbaugh.

  • gus

    Who here thinks Hank is a legit ANYTHING in life???
    Hank. I own BLOWHARD JAG-OFFS like you.
    Want to play Hank??? I’ll continue to make you into a laughing stock with your willing help.

  • Henry Hawkins

    gorgo: “Now you backtrack from calling us less than sane to merely impaired in our critical thinking.”

    I cannot backtrack from something I never said. What you have done is prove my prediction in #50:

    Henry: “This is a good example of how heightened emotions impair critical thinking, which many will no doubt continue to prove by believing that too is calling people insane.”

    Those who cannot counter an argument are left to impune the arguer. This is what is meant by the ‘ad hominem’ argument. It is a logical fallacy.

    Cue the “Henry is a poopy head, nyah nyah nyah” from Gus.

  • No Man

    Henry and Laury,

    My voluntary incarceration ought to let you sleep well tomorrow night.

  • Henry Hawkins

    Employing logical fallacies reveals impairment in critical thinking. I hadn’t thought it necessary to point out the obvious, but………

  • gus

    No man. I think you mean DOCTOR HANK, INTERNET PSYCHOLOGIST and BEEEEEG SHOT.

  • No Man

    Until then, sleep with one eye open . . .

  • gus

    Hank. You do realize that this blog and it’s posters are laughing at you.

    I didn’t think it was necessary to point that out to an INTERNET STUD like you…but…..

  • Conservative to the Core

    You can’t tell what a person’s political beliefs are from a list of books even when they say they are “favorite” books. Does that mean he likes them because they validate his beliefs? or because a book gives him an insight to his opponents? The reasons for the choice of books may be inconsistent. You don’t even now if he’s trying to being honest. Some people are addicted to hate so they read books they can debate with and feel superior to the author. It’s beyond meaningless when the person has mental problems.

  • Chisum

    As the daughter of a psychologist, you are correct in stating that it was his mental state not his political beliefs that prompted this shooting.

    Laury @ #73,

    Is that like an osmosis thingy?

    You know, like being the daughter of a pilot qualifies you to fly a plane.

  • Laury

    #84. Well said. Furthermore, some people read to gain an understanding of opposing viewpoints. We should be placing blame where it belongs, squarely on the shoulders of someone who was mentally ill and who took matters into his own hands, not on the Left, the Right, or anywhere else.

  • Lawrence

    Anyone look at the theory that Nancy Pelosi or someone in her office is behind this? Rep. Giffords voted against her as speaker. The hit would serve two purposes- 1) Eliminate another BlueDog Democrat, who Pelosi despises more than Republicans, and 2) Create a Martyr to help propel the Dems back into Power in 2012.

  • Slappy

    Henry Hawkins (#68): @Slappy – I’ve acknowledged, ad nauseum, that both sides are policizing events. It is wrong for either side to do so. It is an impossibility to expect such a thing, but imagine if after this story had all played out, weeks or months from now, and when you looked back the record showed that only the liberal side politicized it. That would be enormously valuable in swaying independent voters, a bloc which is imperative for conservative efforts to expand the house, and win the Senate and WH.

    You damn well know that in politics you can let a mistruth that depicts your side negatively to go unchallenged. Although your scenario would be great, it is simply not based on reality. Anyone that’s followed American politics for some time would know this. One only has to look at how the Left skillfully used half-truths and pointed attacks based on nonexistent or misleading “facts” to negatively attack Republicans and conservatives over Hurricen Katrina, WMDs in Iraq, 9/11, financial crisis of 2008, etc. C’mon, you simply can’t be that naive. Your approach is the type taken by minority parties that accept being second-class citizens because they would rather “play nice” and be the nice guys (think of Congressional Republicans like Bob Michel, Minority Leader in the House when the GOP was in the minority).

  • Laury

    #85 Of course not. And I don’t claim to be qualified. But in my family, my parents would discuss their work. My mother worked in the County health clinic with many who were mentally ill and we would talk about the hows and whys, etc. You can actually learn a lot through intelligent conversation.

  • timwi

    Geez Gus- what’s up with you and attacking “Henry”? What has he said that is so offensive?

  • Ginger

    “Anger” let’s see….You have to control your anger and NOT let it control you! OK! It is a proven fact that liberals are full of uncontrolled anger! Where does it come from? Life? :( You know what angers me? Liberals who come on this web site when they have plenty of hateful sites to fulfill their anger dreams! bye…bye

  • Whatsupwththat?

    The name Bill Ayres ring any bells?

  • Ginger

    Lawerence

    That woman is pure EVIL and her coheres with her. I thought the same thing! Why is the head of the FBI going there. I heard an expert say that has never happen before. Maybe a cover up? Who knows!

  • Ginger

    timwi

    Don’t you think that gus is trying to send a message? If Henery doe not like it he/she has the right to move on! Right?

  • http://www.bluecollarphilosophy.com Blue Collar Todd

    Good post and recalling the history on this. I raised the issue of how this could be analogous to the Reichstag Fire at Hot Air and got banned.

    http://www.bluecollarphilosophy.com/2011/01/banned-from-hot-air-say-it-aint-so.html

    If Democrats are not behind the violence they are willing to use it to their full advantage.

  • Ginger

    Woops! Bad spelling and or knotty fingers. hahahaha

    Hey since the killer hated people who could not spell you think he was one who was here critizing us with our spelling and mostly our WONDERFUL BLOG HOST! Remember Jim was at one time really being critized for his errors!

  • VeryConcerned

    Asking the left if they can incite violence through their never ending hate speech and cause their weak minded ilk to murder kids and innocents… Yes We Can, Yes We Can!

    If the right brings a knife to the fight, you bring a gun said Obama… Yes We Can, Yes We Can!

    Can we (leftist) incite violence with hate speech and then blame the right when the left losses what little minds they had left and starts to assault and even kill people… Yes We Can, Yes We Can!

    Will the media be in the bag for us when our plan of creating a crisis and spinning it to look like we are trying to solve the problem and the right are the ones doing wrong, can we count on them to always report the wrong story and place blame at whomever we tell them to blame, to be ready at any moment with pre-written stories with fill in the blank names “Blah Blah did this and SARAH PALIN is responsible”, “Rush Limbaugh is responsible”, “the Tea Party is responsible”, “Conservatives are responsible”… YES WE CAN, YES WE CAN!

  • Ginger

    Let’s copy and paste where Jim has outlined the hateful orders he has sent out to his loved ones to carry out for him! Let’s paste them on every site you can find and keep pasteing it until 2012………… Let’s Roll

    Jim…do we have your permission?

  • Ginger

    by…He … I meant Barry the Kenyan fraud!

  • Ditto

    Both sides are NOT politicizing this event! One is accusing, one is defending against a bold faced lie! Attack an innocent party, and we will defend ourselves with the truth.

    And the truth is the Tea Party and the Right had nothing to do with this! The left is so deranged that they are now hurting their own!

    Lets get those facts straight! Im sick of the spin already. The truth shall set you free, and the truth is that this moron is a left wing monster~!

  • auntie em

    We need to all take a deep breath.

    No one is wrong here except for Loughner. I appreciate the honest and rational view of Henry Hawkins. As a fly-off-the-handle, kick-butt-and-take-names-later girl, I am calmed immediately and appreciate immensely those rational, calm explanations from those with the gift to do so.

    I can spin like a top off of a mountain if I let my emotions rule my head. I was thoroughly pissed that the left went so low as to pin this on SP for the umpteenth thousandth time. You think we’d all be used to it by now. The godless left are bullies, and they are desperate bullies.

    Let’s let them eat their own, as they do everyday. We are better than that, and our duty is to protect those that lose their lives due to their disregard for human life, such as the Judge and the precious little baby girl, and the others.

    I am so saddened that the focus is not on the ones who lost their lives in this senseless act, but yet on the politics. God has a way of getting our attention. Let’s not slap the messenger or the voice of reason for the sake of wanting to spin out of control for adrenoline rush’s sake.

    Peace.

  • Laury

    #91 It is obvious from these posts that Liberals certainly don’t have a monopoly on anger.

  • Ginger

    auntie em

    I agree! Anger does have its place. I am both angry and sad mostly for that beautiful little girl and her loved ones. I do blame it on the fraud in the white house because he is PROMOTING VIOLENCE.

  • gorgo

    HOW THIS WORKS

    A tragedy with political overtones takes place. Two basic possible responses from the Left, depending on option (1) or (2):

    (1). CULPRIT IS EVENTUALLY REVEALED TO BE A LEFTIST.

    a. The Left’s immediate assumption: “A right winger did it, certainly under the influence of Right Wing Big Shot/s ________________________.”

    b. When evidence arises it was not a right winger but a leftist who did it, the Left now says, “Clearly he was merely psychotic – his politics didn’t have anything to do with it.” This, despite evidence that Left Wing Big Shot/s __________________ have implied a need for violence among U.S. citizens, including commands to get in people’s faces, allusions to gun fights, kicking ass, etc. When THIS is pointed out to the Leftist, the Leftist ignores it and calls you a racist.

    (2). CULPRIT IS EVENTUALLY SHOWN TO BE A CONSERVATIVE.

    a. The Left’s immediate assumption: “A right winger did it, certainly under the influence of ____________, right wing big shot.”

    b. When evidence arises it was a right winger, the Left says, “See? A crazy right winger. The violent preaching of Right Wing Big Shot/s ________________________ made him/ her do it.” This, despite an utter lack of evidence that Right Wing Big Shot/s _____________________ever incited anyone to do anything violent, in a clear attempt to totally remove Right Wing Big Shot/s ___________________ from the public scene by any means necessary, and despite the abundant historical proof of Leftisms’s propensity for violence.

  • Sandy

    Henry Hawkins, I totally agree. Very interesting…

    It makes me so angry that the Lefties want to blame Republicans for this. But then that’s politics 101.

  • Sandy

    Loughner aside — at a time when we need a real President to see us through this economic crisis we have a kid with wrap around shades and flip flops. Its jarring to anyone’s system.

  • gorgo

    The conservative’s response to the tragedy:

    (1). CULPRIT IS EVENTUALLY REVEALED TO BE A LEFTIST:

    “Remove the person from society and punish him/her to the fullest extent of the law.”

    (2). CULPRIT IS EVENTUALLY REVEALED TO BE A CONSERVATIVE:

    “Remove the person from society and punish him/her to the fullest extent of the law.”

  • GrayRider

    If the Left wants to keep pushing to assign blame for the shooting, then yes BHO is guilty.

  • Ginger

    Laury

    You know what?

    Conservatives/Independants/ and some Democrats only gets angry when piss ants like you liberals come and spit your rhetoric.

  • http://none tommy mc donnell

    after the ft. hood shooting the american tass urged people not to blame muslims until we find out the facts. nobody knows why this guy shot these people yet american tass immediately is blaming every politican enemy they can find. the real problem is that the american people accept this hypocrisy.

  • Swifty

    War monger Obama certainly has ratcheted up the Afghanistan war over the last two years. When will that joke of a war be done? What is the definition of success? What is the real timetable or will the promise of a timetable we hear of now be like his Guantanemo closing timetable?

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  • Laury

    #109 No one is to blame for this. Not Palin, not Pelosi. So how is that rhetoric? Rep. Giffords, a Democrat, has had her life irreparably changed. Judge Roll, a Republican, is dead. What does party or politics have to do with it? You profess to be angry at the Left for blaming the Right. Why aren’t you just as angry at the Right blaming the Left? That is nothing but hypocritical.

    I am angry as well. But I am angry that people are willing to stoop so low as to use this incident to further their political dogma. A 9 year old child died. Where is the politics in that? She had a life bookmarked by tragedy. Born on 9/11, died on 1/8. It is for her, and children like her that we need to stop the blame game and focus on fixing the ills of our country. Something that will take intelligent discourse and compromise from everyone, from both parties.

    BTW I’m not a Liberal. I’m an Independent. I used to be a Republican.

    Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. – Martin Luther King, Jr.

  • raybojabo

    It looks like Odumbo had a reason to strike back at Judge Roll, who just happened to be an “innocent” bystander.

    http://www.eutimes.net/2011/01/top-us-federal-judge-assassinated-after-threat-to-obama-agenda/

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  • http://www.bluecollarphilosophy.com Blue Collar Todd

    gorgos,

    I like your break down of the Liberal and Conservative reaction. I posted it here:

    http://www.bluecollarphilosophy.com/2011/01/liberal-rage-turns-against-democrats-obamas-role-in-the-shooting-of-giffords.html

  • dave

    why doesnt anyone mention that democrat ( i forgot his name) who ran for robert byrds seat in w.v. when he used a shotgun to shoot a whole in the cap and trade bill .why are dem. allowed to get away with this and not one news mentions it .what a double standard. republicans wake up and dont let the media do this to us

  • jorgen

    Yes, the crazy left indirectly caused this shooting. Obama is the chief of the crazy left and as a such indirectly responsible.

  • gorgo

    Todd, thank you my man! Anything I can do to help the fight for truth, justice and the TRUE American way.

    You up for some Little Red Football out on the lawn? 😉

  • auntie em

    Wow, Blue Collar Todd! That made me get chills. No wonder the media is focusing on the congresswoman and not the Judge.

    She was incidental. He was the target.

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  • http://www.bluecollarphilosophy.com Blue Collar Todd

    aunti em,

    Thanks. Please pass it along.

  • raybojabo

    In a Time article, left wing Obama hack, sherrif Dupnick talking about Roll admits that he knew “This morning he went to mass and was going to go home and do the floors like he always does on Saturdays.” Since Roll just ruled against Odumbo in a landmark case, one has to wonder if Gabby wasn’t the innocent bystander. Was the Judge double tapped like a professional hit? No article I read mentioned how many times he was shot, or about his recent ruling.

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  • Agent99

    Raybojabo

    THANKS!!

  • CaptainPicard

    Why is it when ever murder is committed peole always question the “sanity” of the killer, “oh he must be crazy, menatlly ill, no normal person would do that”. It is psuedo intellectuals attempt to dismiss the fact that there is “evil” and some people are just evil. It is also an attempt to dismiss sin. One of the Ten Commandments is “Thou shall not kill”. Sin is a choice. Do we think that commandment was commanded only to the “menatlly ill” and if the are ill and can’t “help themselves” then why give a command one could not obey.

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  • POT KILLS

    Communism is insane. Communists are insane. They’re like Charles Manson x 1,000,000.

  • Edouard

    The Tea Party was attacked by the Left media, baselessly and with callous disdain, I would even say hatred.

    Hey Laury, Should we allow that leftist tripe to go unchallenged? According to you we should.

    I beg to differ. The Left are lunatics who willfully misunderstand the Tea Party. The Tea Party stand for liberty. We stand for life. We don’t murder political figures or condone that in any way. Such outrageous insults must be defended against.

  • bg
  • bg

    ++

    POT KILLS #129

    “Dig it! First they killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same
    room with them. They even shoved a fork into the victim’s stomach!
    Wild!” ~ Bernadine Dorhn

    wonder how many future kooks were inspired by Bill & Bernie, not
    to mention the ones who are running the unions show today.. 😐

    ==

  • bg

    ++

    reP: #321

    Dorhn = Dohrn

    whatever, she’s a terrorist no matter how it’s spelled..

    ==

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  • auntie em

    #122 January 9, 2011 at 2:23 pm
    Blue Collar Todd commented:
    aunti em,

    Thanks. Please pass it along.

    ###################

    Absolutely, I will pass it along. If America had a competent news outlet, that article would be the headline today. People should be talking about this.

    Also, I really enjoyed reading your blog and agree with your views. Great site!

  • bg

    ++

    Laury #102

    correct, the difference comes in how the anger is handled, that’s where the
    left fails miserably (immediate blame assigned to a right-winger, etc.. totally
    void of facts aka: w/o knowledge) , just listen to KO of MSNBC for proof, or
    better yet Linda Lopez..

    ==

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  • LEE

    I was thinking that very same thing myself..
    Doesn’t he spew a whole bunch of violent messages.. Lets here the media and others start to get the message straight.. Straight from the White House..

  • http://www.amusingbunni.blogspot.com Bunni

    Very Well said, Jim and I agree 100%! Thanks for saying what the MSM won’t.
    You bet he’s the one responsible. Ever since he took over, things have been ratcheted up to
    nonsensical proportions, and it’s no accident. God Help America.

  • auntie em

    Anyone else noticed the lack of coverage on Judge Roll, who made a very stern stand against Obama just a few days ago?

  • debbi

    Laury #89….Why don’t you tell us who your mom, who works in a county health clinic with mentally ill patients, is so we can ask her why she violated the patient/doctor confidence by discussing details of her patient’s medical history ? If you have any questions, please refer to HIPAA Privacy regulations enacted by Congress in 1996, which are enforced by the Office of Civil Rights.

  • AuntieMadder

    Henry Hawkins, I was going to suggest you clarify “insane,” so you don’t end up eating anyone’s shorts but I see you did that at #16.

    Your comment should be a blob post, up top on the front page where everyone coming to this site can see it.

  • AuntieMadder

    Eek! Make that “blog post.” The Blob is whole ‘nother scary story.

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  • Taqiyyotomist

    I have to agree with Henry.

    gus, I tend to agree with most of your posts, but you’re fixated, and out of line.

    IMHO.

    For the record: I’m just a dishwasher.

  • Taqiyyotomist

    And I’ve only read up to #58.

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  • Taqiyyotomist

    #83 gus

    I see one person laughing, and pointing, here. The others who disagree are respectfully engaging Henry in adult conversation regarding their disagreements.

    You’re being childish, and stupid, in the extreme, as Henry has pointed out politely.

    Get some sleep, and come back when you’ve had time to recharge and reflect.

    Generally I’ve thought you are a cool mofo, but on this thread, I’m beginning to wonder about the “cool” part of that equation, but the “mofo” part is starting to gel, and solidify.

    —-

    Finished the thread, and apparantly gus has taken my advice pre-emtively. Good for all.

    —-

    GORGO #104, #106

    PERFECTLY STATED. The template is provable, with data from the past few years alone. Thank you. What I’ve always known from experience, but well-stated, and absolutely right and spot-on.

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  • http://fuzislippers.blogspot.com/ Fuzzy

    Aw, c’mon, Jim, the guy was a freaking lunatic (probably actually schizophrenic). I know the leftist sprogs are trying to pin this on the Tea Party and on conservatives more generally, but let’s not stoop to that gutter level. This wasn’t about politics (and you’re right, his are clearly far far far left). The guy’s certifiably insane. But then, maybe watching MSNBC will drive people crazy? heh

  • Bob Murphy

    Thanks for your insightful comments, Henry.
    I’m amazed at your patience or presumption of reason in responding to the more excitable correspondents here.

  • ogee

    @#57 January 9, 2011 at 10:31 am
    Henry Hawkins commented:
    Sparky, the left has been alinskying Palin and the Tea Party movement for over two years to little avail. This event isn’ going to improve there efforts. In fact, it is so obviously baseless to blame the TP or Palin on this, that their efforts to do so will likely backfire.

    You’ve got that right Henry. The Alinsky lefties are powerless over the Tea Party. 😆

    AND it backfired ❗
    As usual.

  • ogee

    THIS WAS ABOUT POLITICS!
    The shooter campaigned for Gabby Gifford on more than one occasion and claims to have raised a ton of money for her. He got peeved when he realized she isn’t a Marxist/Socialist Dem and that she doesn’t support open borders or illegals sucking the system dry. He’s also Gay. He is an obammy supporter too. The shooter was peeved that Gabby is a Blue Dog and not a Marxist. Two different types of Dems completely. She didn’t vote for Nancy Pelousy and didn’t support regressive ‘progressive’ ideals. That threw him over the edge. He should have realized that not all Dems are the same. The Dem party was overthrown by the “New Marxist Democrats” commonly known as a New Communist Party who run on the ‘dem’ ticket as obammy did/does.
    Most obammy supporters are exactly like the shooter, dumb and an unemployed loner who is living with his parents.

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  • James G. Borden

    As American Patriots, we don’t expect to hear the real truth from the socialist mainstream news media.
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  • aprilnovember811

    #54 January 9, 2011 at 10:30 am
    Chippy commented:

    This AZ massacre will no doubt be another reason for the Obama administration to take more individual liberty and freedom away from every American citizen. “You don’t ever want a crisis go to waste”, Rahm Emanuel.

    Chippy,
    “A crisis is the playground of a tyrant.” ~John Adams

    Barack Obama needs to release his records. It’s time to find out who he really is. Please read this article.

    “A bedrock principle of Natural Law (the Law upon which Western Civilization rests) is the primacy of truth. Without a desire for, and appreciation of, truth, society cannot sustain itself. Lies, deceit, duplicity, etc., are more than moral evils; they are the bane of freedom and liberty. Take away truth, and one is left without honor, justice, or decency. Truth is the cement that holds the bricks and stones of a sane and civilized society together. Remove the former and the latter will crumble. …….

    You can read the rest at the link below.

    A Nation Of Truth-Rejecters
    January 9th, 2011
    http://americangrandjury.org/a-nation-of-truth-rejecters

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  • Neotrotsky

    Check out

    http://www.youtube.com/user/giffords2

    On Gabrielle Giffords You Tube Profile Page, 2 Subscriptions are listed. One of them is Jared Lee Loughner. The Subscription Name is Classit10

    The Link goes to this Website. http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10

    Why is she subscribed to the Shooters Web Site? Definitely on the Bizarre side.

  • Patriot Act

    Regarding how the left gets away with promoting (not to mention committing) violence … they can produce a feature-length movie (Death of a President) about the assassination of a sitting U.S. president, including real clips of George Bush in the shooting scene, and that’s NO PROB! Nary a peep was heard from the “news” media about this movie inciting political violence.

  • motorfingaz

    Total BS and only the simple minded and ignorant believes this crap!

  • ohwow

    @Henry Hawkins. You say you are a psychologist, therefore you must have a license. Do you remember how much trouble Dr. Phil got into for giving a dx when it was not warranted nor asked for? You, if you are really who you say you are, must know that if this is traced back to the true person, are also liable to lose your license? You say you have been doing this work for 27 years and have seen 13 patients. I would say your experience is not all that extensive.

    Consequently, I suggest we all sit back, take a deep breath, put our feet up and sip a cup of tea. Maybe that will bring some of the rationality back in to this conversation.

  • Ed McCourt

    How about all this Politically Correct crap? we’ve all but destroy the military services in the past few years, to include this latest repeal!

    Do you think if someone in a leadership position, started telling people what they really think, instead of worrying about hurting their feelings, that people would finally get it?

    Both parties BAD mouth each other in front of the entire world! Yet our leadership is so cncerned about huirting peoples feelings who are hell bent on destroying out way of life, that thewy cause a lot of the problems.

    We can’t even clean up our own Hostilities between political parties and we expect to clean up third world countries. Why don’t we wake up !!!!!!!!!!!!! and STOP beating around the BUSH!

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  • AuntieMadder

    #163 ohwow but you’re stupid:

    “You say you have been doing this work for 27 years and have seen 13 patients.”

    Go back and read again, genius.

    HH: Since I began in 1984, I have evaluated at least… three dozen (?) people whose conviction was for killing someone, whether the charge was murder, manslaughter, etc.

    “Do you remember how much trouble Dr. Phil got into for giving a dx when it was not warranted nor asked for?”

    Dr Phil was scolded for showing up uninvited and unannounced to see Brittany Spears when she was in the psych ward. Henry Hawkins, on the other hand, has shared his opinion of Loughner’s major malfunction, which he’s based on his 27 years of experience in forensic psychology.

    Now, go troll somewhere else. Idiot.

  • AuntieMadder

    Neotrotsky, at that YouTube page, I noticed right away that it lists Gifford’s age as 27 and that Gifford last visited “1 Day Ago.” Either that isn’t Giffords’ site (as in, Gifford doesn’t maintain it and may have had nothing to do with it’s having been set up) or it’s been hacked.

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  • Neotrotsky

    #167, Strange thing is her own website link back to this Youtube page. I agree that someone could have hacked this thing. The fact that her own web page links back to this tells me, it must be her page. Also, strange, why is the shooter’s page still up?

    I’m sure the MSM is on top of this right now 😉

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  • edstuart

    Hawkins, I agree with you on the dx of paranoid schizophrenia. I, too, have been diagnosing………… for 20 years now, and, those were my impressions as well, having been in psych hospitals or clinics dealing with this dx. Apparently, he’s not ever gotten the psych tx that he’s needed.

    This incident will most likely land him in a psych unit and he will get tx he’s needed. Whether or not he keeps on his meds is another matter. I knew of one young man who in H.S. was a honor student, captain of his football team, voted the most popular, etc. He began smoking pot after graduation and after just a short while, became psychotic and was eventually dx’d with Paranoid Schizophrenia. Thus, since it takes an inherited predisposition, plus a stressor for this dx to become active, I’m left to believe that the pot was the stressor which he apparently smoked in great quanities. Sad. very sad.

    When I first met him, he was so personable and polite once stabilized. But, he kept stopping his meds and getting worse and more and more violent. Our unit psychiatrist began carrying a gun with her at all times because of his threats against her when not stabilized. I never thought this young man would end up like this. He was a treasure before he began his nightmarish descent. I saw him years later at a State Hospital and was not even recognizeable. He didn’t remember me at all, of course. Sad what a mental illness can do.

    Apparently, the man we’re talking about was also a pot smoker, as well as having had alcohol poisoning. All that could have been a precursor to his growing psychosis. The isolation is just another indicator of the mental illness he had.

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  • AuntieMadder

    Neotrotsky, if you’re still reading here, it’s possible that someone from her staff maintains her YouTube account. Perhaps that person visited and added Loughner’s YouTube page as a channel so that the curious could easily find and view the rantings of the mad man who attempted to murder Gifford.

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  • truth is in the moment

    Gus, you appear to suffer from a low self esteem that is in search of linus’ blanket. Im not here to flame by no means but when one is offensive towards intellect and dialogue that puts a potential scenario into play, attempts to argue to build oneself up shows indications of what I’ve described.

    I have read literally hundreds of posts from several sites and reserve judgement. I havent tallied left vs right but I have definitely seen attempts for recruitment by the extreme left to have society come to agreement with them. It remends one of a turfwar by gangs or a community organizer getting the masses excited to guarantee themselves a win with excesses to spare.

    The real subject which is lost the actual incident itself and the losses of lives regardless of political affiliation. All the indivviduals in the blogs silently are yearning to discover the cause in “cause and effect”.

    The list of phrases and words the president uses are common rallying cries to bring people together to adopt his beliefs. I find them offensive and low class effort that actually creates division by an us vs them mentality. It’s shameful at best.

    Bush wasn’t the best at what he did as the same can be said about other presidents, but oneself has to search in order to find anyone as devisive as our current executive in chief.

    I am in sales management and remember years ago what my manager said motivates people. There are only four main ones.
    pride
    gain
    imitation
    and fear.

    A great person will motivate through the first on the list
    A lot will motivate through the second (the carrot and the stick)
    A lot will teach to duplicate a mentors efforts
    A person without class or dignity coupled with egotism will motivate by fear

    Which tool has Obama used the most

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  • 50sense

    The knee-jerk reaction of liberals and their supporting press to immediately attribute the actions of this now quite obviously insane individual to a polictical agenda is shameful. I guess waiting for facts to become known aren’t a pre-requisite these days for press reporting.

    As for the “political vitriol” claimed by the left to have arisen ‘only’ in the past 2 years from the right (i.e., since Obama has been in office)–such claims are disigenuous and ignoring the inconvenient fact that Leftists have been using violent rhetoric as a tactic for a long time, and particularly since 2004.
    see link: http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=621

    Who can forget such violent “pull the trigger” rhetoric from the left as…..
    http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-93416494.html

    As for cross hairs on political propaganda, how about the target symbols on the US map showing “ripe targets” in “enemy territory” on the 2004 Democratic Leadership Council’s Heartland Strategy propaganda:

    http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=253055&kaid=127&subid=171

    ..this type of symbology is clearly not new, nor restricted to the “Right-wing” political pundits.

    It is easy go on and on with examples of violent, and/or gun-referencing rhetoric from the Left, but somehow per the press it is only a phenomenon enemating almost entirely from the Right in the last two years.

    The state and ethics of the mainstream media these days is pathetic — and for Obama to in any way insinuate this insane killer’s actions stem from violent rhetoric opposing his administration just re-inforces the hypocrisy of the Leftist propaganda. And it is horribly disrepectful to the victims of this tragedy.

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