Petraeus Top Aide Marvin Hill: Troops Who Can’t Support Repeal of DADT Need to Get Out
Posted by Jim Hoft on Saturday, December 11, 2010, 12:00 PM
Get out!
General David Petraeus and top aide Command Sergeant Major Marvin Hill (Huffington Post)
Top aide to General Petraeus Command Sergeant Major Marvin Hill told US troops who cannot support the repeal of Clinton’s “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy to leave the military.
The Huffington Post reported:
Troops who can’t accept the idea of overturning the ban on gays in the military should consider leaving the service, says a senior aide to Gen. David Petraeus.
Command Sergeant Major Marvin Hill tells TV One’s “Washington Watch” that he believes “the troops are ready” for the repeal of the “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy.
“If there are people who cannot deal with the change, then they’re going to have to do what’s best for their troops and best for the organization and best for the military service and exit the military service, so that we can move forward — if that’s the way that we have to go,” Hill says in an interview with Roland Martin, scheduled to air Sunday.
Hill says it will be up to military brass to “set the tone” for the rank-and-file in accepting gay service members.
Hat Tip Larry R.
Marvin Hill sounds like a democrat.
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Published May 21, 2012 at 12:19 am - 56 Comments
Ginger commented:
What a rotton MORON!
Mad Hatter commented:
The State Department has been over run with leftist that need to get out.
bigkahuna commented:
While I am no supporter of it I am more for listening to those who chose to serve more than liberal jerk offs who dont.
Catherine commented:
SCREW all these closet homosexuals
the congress needs to stop this bullsh*t
http://www.breitbart.tv/merry-christmas-from-afghanistan/
Merry Christmas, From Afghanistan
WHERE YOUR HEARTS SHOULD BE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCAJCVait8o&feature=player_embedded
Merry Christmas From Afghanistan
G-D BLESS THEM AND PROTECT THEM
as they are protecting we must stand up to protect them
Chilly in Alaska commented:
this is how they intend to destroy OUR military
ReaganRepublican commented:
Does the Mad Hatter think that Gen. Patraues’ CSM is in the state department?
Chilly in Alaska commented:
How secure and safe are you going to be with the new, volunteer, GAY armed forces?
Andreas K. commented:
Why does everybody say DADT is a ban?
It’s not.
It’s simply don’t ask about it, don’t tell about it. And why is that bad? Sexual orientation in the military is IRRELEVANT!
I don’t care about the sexual orientation of the soldiers and marines in A-stan. What I care about is that they get home in one piece and that they do their job well: killing jihadis.
That’s all that matters.
It’s sad that this “over-sexing” has now hit the military as well.
Catherine commented:
Stand up for them as they stand for you.
call congress to stop this
http://www.breitbart.tv/merry-christmas-from-afghanistan/
Merry Christmas, From Afghanistan
WHERE YOUR HEARTS SHOULD BE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCAJCVait8o&feature=player_embedded
Merry Christmas From Afghanistan
G-D BLESS THEM AND PROTECT THEM
Catherine
Mad Hatter commented:
#6 ReaganRepublican,
My correction, the Defense Department.
http://www.defense.gov/home/features/2010/0610_gatesdadt/
No Man commented:
The effing, gutless lifer brass hats . . . They can’t court-martial everybody.
In WWII they had “Kilroy was here.”
Now, it will be “GayFaye was here.”
Gay is NOT okay.
No Man commented:
That guy is no more qualified to be CSM than Obama is to be POTUS.
redc1c4 commented:
methinks someone is ready to come out of the closet…. it would certainly explain the fascinations all too many CSM’s have for nitpicking on uniform issues and haircuts instead of important, but much harder to check items like vehicle and equipment maintenance and tactical proficiency.
go paint some rocks you stupid lifer.
trp commented:
That’s because the military is not about protecting America and winning wars but about imposing a progressive social agenda. If this continues, we’ll be as amazing as the Dutch.
Mr. Potato Head commented:
We are a military family for generations, but I won’t have any of my 5 boys volunteer for this social experiment. Good luck with recruitment.
Chisum commented:
All sorts of things will be labeled “legitimate”. Like this:
The Bowling Ball
http://www.sondrak.com/index.php/weblog/the_bowling_ball/
Andrew commented:
How does this sit with the Sgt Major’s commanding officers? Especially the ones not in favor of this appeal?
Mad Hatter commented:
Remember this jewel of a comment from General George Casey?
From Nov 8th, 2009.
On Meet The Press discussing the Ft. Hood killings.
“Our diversity, not only in our Army, but in our country, is a strength. And as horrific as this tragedy was, if our diversity becomes a casualty, I think that’s worse,” Casey said.
http://blogs.reuters.com/frontrow/2009/11/08/general-casey-diversity-shouldnt-be-casualty-of-fort-hood/
Because of people like Casey, Gates, Hill, and others, social issues have become a top priority. Patton is turning over in his grave.
Jim commented:
I have two boys that are MARINES and visit them and their fellow MARINES on base quite often and let me tell you, I have yet to meet one MARINE that is for repealing this and hear their concerns about sharing showers, living quarters, and holes in the ground with someone that is eying them up as the next piece of ass!
Mad Hatter commented:
Here’s Casey wringing his hands over diversity on This Week with George Stepo on ABC.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBA2V4AXNI0
Pathetic.
Kudzu35 commented:
I have to be tempered in my disdain but if this CSM listened to his troops he’d of said the opposite. He’s the exact problem that’s wrong with this man’s Army. He’s been in for 25 or so years and has gone along with the prevailing winds when they seem to suit him. And its worked out we’ll obvious to become an E9. He’s not serving General Petraeus well or his Soldiers (my brothers & sisters and me) well to toss this out there.
I have no personal qualm with gays or them being. But we know that DADt is about far more than just being able to kiss your boyfriend at the PX. They want to experiment with us like they did under Clinton. None of us care about DADT to the point we don’t care if your gay, we just don’t want to see it. Their survey is skwed wrong and I’m not a combat arms guy, I just know who took the time or had the ability to respond likely didn’t include those who oppose repealing it the most.
We need to look at how and who did this survey and who stands to gain from this?
-kudzu35, active Army for last 10 years. Veteran of Korea, Iraq, and Afghanistan. Another trip to ‘stan coming up next year.
30moves commented:
With diversity you can’t have UNITY.
Obama talks about the shared American values – can anyone name one?
Joanne commented:
That’s right – that is what America needs – an all homosexual, sodomizing military.
Joanne commented:
Yup, with an all gay military, the enemies really will be scared to be captured. And enemy combatments won’t even be able to complain about getting sodomized, because it is politically incorrect to oppose homosexual activity. Hey, it might beat waterboarding.
moron commented:
Then we can turn our all gay military warriors loose on Iran and jihadists!! Excellent idea. Or do the gays want desk jobs?
kansas commented:
What will be next? Being allowed to openly serve won’t be nearly enough, just as simply keeping one’s sexuality private wasnt’ enough.
moron commented:
Marvin, tell us, which way do you like it?
donh commented:
Nobody told the gays to ” get out ” . That is the whole point of DADT.. Keep it in the closet, have some tact and be discreet . You can serve as long as you keep your man to man love affairs private. That is tolerance, but not good enough for the left. Now we see a completely intolerant attitude coming form the lezzy fairy village people in the military. The heterosexuals will now be discharged on any asking or telling of “homophobia”
Bo commented:
What a sorry state our military leadership has become from Mullen, Casey, etc, on down. Whether its DADT, catch and release, don’t shoot unless fired on, etc, they all should be totally ashamed of themselves and how our ( their) troops suffer at their misgucied PC ways. I wish Patton was here to kick thier sorry asses!
Mad Hatter commented:
Will part of boot camp be sensitivity training?
If one of our soldiers says “fag”, will he be up for Court-martial or a hate crime?
Will the Military set up separate shower and sleeping quarters for openly gay soldiers so they feel more “comfortable” around other “like soldiers”?
Will an openly gay soldier that gets aids from his boyfriend be allowed to be treated at a VA Hospital?
It’s clear that today’s Military Brass is eager to open up Pandora’s box.
cleanslate commented:
Just another politically correct affirmative action NCO!!!!
Meg commented:
How has having muslims in the service turned out? Not to well. A lot of lives lost. Now they want the gays. Good luck to our soldiers.
BurmaShave commented:
Marvin Hill sounds intolerant
Beef commented:
This is where the liberals make their push to subsume an institution that is politically at odds with their agenda. By purging dissenters, they will permanenty change the military culture, currently dominated by a more traditionalist, patriotic, and Christian ethos, into a “progressive” army more interested in liberal social engineering than in fighting enemies.
Think about it: Once the military gains a Village People reputation of being a place you go for a world bath house tour, who will be the recruitment base? How many sodomy jokes will your typical normal high school kid have to hear before he decides the military is not for him?
No Man commented:
That’s just in line with the lifer dogs’ “my career is more important than the lives of my troops” attitude.
squeaky commented:
didn’t we go through this during the clinton adm? serious military left the service as it became more like a skills training center hence the utter shock when members found themselves in iraq. from qando – perfumed princes
http://www.qando.net/details.aspx?Entry=7350
Missy8s commented:
Think about this…
What happens to the chaplain’s corps as a direct result of this policy, which just happens to be majority Christian/Catholic?
What happens when the fist soldier, sailor or marine talks about his or her faith or what happens if they talk about their relationship with their spouse husband/wife/GF or BF?
What if this has the effect of purging those that disagree politically and spiritually with a core military made of sycophantic ideologues loyal to one man instead of the constitution?
In my opinion this is an attempt to purge the military of the conservative, constitutional and christian faithful and replace them with an agnostic/atheist politically loyal core.
This is incredibly dangerous.
Beth just south of Berkeley and just east of San Francisco commented:
A more relevant policy would be Don’t Eyeball, Don’t Haze. Someone can Not Tell, yet still have the pieces put together from the way they dance around personal information about their love lives in casual conversation. Someone can Not Haze without this compulsory attitude control (which I find shocking).
Still, while we’re at not insulting the troops who put their lives on the line for our freedom, we could also not insult the gay servicepeople who are professionals and behave well. As for the stereotypes, I work with gay and lesbian attorneys and staff every day, and aside from one secretary who’s a tad fey, they’re just like everybody else. I’ve gone and soaked at a Japanese-style communal bath with lesbian softball teammates after tournaments, and have never noticed any difference in modesty among any of us. The “we’re all girls here” thing and the seeing our type of body every day thing seem to be what apply, not the chance to see someone of the sex to which you’re attracted naked.
Voyeuristic opportunists should be readily noticed and weeded out. We need the professionals.
It’s not as simple as some of the commenters here think.
That said, I’m appalled by the thought of putting “They’re here, they’re queer, get used to it” to combat troops. I think it’s up to gay troops to fit in, and I reckon there are more than anyone imagines who do. There could be more leeway for cases of “if it happens to get told, but they took care not to tell.” Just not for social engineering in the military.
That’s a view from where I live, and I hope y’all will give it consideration.
Rick554 commented:
Maybe its time for the CSM to get out…..just sayin.
A Proud Parent of a SOLDIER
jorgen commented:
Marvin Hill seems to have a problem with reality so maybe he should find another job?
Midusdew commented:
This Administration is a cancer against the constitution and the American People. We see our Judicial system not holding up the laws of the land and legislating from the bench. Now the Military is being forced in a homo Military outfit. This is disgraceful and in insult.
And now I find the DHS Fast-Tracking 84 Million Mexicans Allowing Them to Bypass Airport Security…. What about the Muslims? I haven’t heard any complaints from them. Are they getting a free pass too? I wonder…..
Dave
theBuckWheat commented:
What kind of military will we end up with when we put a political correctness filter on recruiting new personnel?
Missy8s commented:
This sentence has just been replaced:
“I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic”
With:
“”I, (NAME), do solemnly swear that I will support and the policies and proclamations of Barack Obama and the state against all enemies domestic with my body and my life.”
Make absolutely no mistake, this is an ideological purge to install a military majority that is loyal to one man and one ideology.
Missy8s commented:
Oooops…
”I, (NAME), do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the policies and proclamations of Barack Obama and the state against all enemies domestic with my body and my life.”
Stuart commented:
I had a long talk with a B-1 bomber pilot at an air show not long ago. I asked him as one vet to another what he liked and disliked about the Air Force. There were many things, he said, he liked but his biggest dislike was having to be the cutting edge of every “damned social science experiment that came out of the beltway.”
Unit cohesion be damned, Unit morale and readiness be damned, you grunts are going to have to embrace your gay comrades in arms, like it or not. Their right to act out trumps your right to object. If you don’t like it, just don’t tell, and we won’t ask.
Once again a total moral inversion. Thank you Democrats.
VeryConcerned commented:
“Marvin Hill sounds like a democrat”
Looks like one too.
darcy commented:
#19 — Jim, speaking of showers — if openly gay men shower with the straights, and human nature what it is, it turns into a sexual-sizing up that the policy itself implicitly sanctions, how is this any different from permitting the women to shower with the men??
I can just imagine the wives’ reactions back home when females are allowed in the showers!
Repeal of DADT — despite how its packaged in pretty politically correct jargon that fogs the thinking of people lacking a moral compas — is a DIRECT assault on our nation’s security. We expect this from liberals, who live and breath to destroy America. But Republicans must block liberals on this, even it means their careers. We are talking about the survival of our nation.
Rock commented:
It would appear that the leadership of Army has now taken a position that those who adhere to their Christen faith and morals are no longer welcomed within its ranks. So God and Country is not a reason to serve rather political correctness and agenda. This is a dangerous road to travel. The repercussions for the nation are many and frighting. Any hope of the services defending the Constitution seem to be misplaced. While those who serve are brave honest Americans it seems the leadership has become infected with the same Socialist scum that infest the Government.
I wrote my Representative, and both Senators on this matter, stressing that the Sgt. Maj. seemed to be telling Christians they where no longer welcomed in his Political Correct Army. Until this man and others like him are gone I will do all in my power to discourage family and friends from entering the military.
Missy8s commented:
This isn’t about “political correctness”, this is about an ideological purge and the end result will be an army of and for “the party” and not “of and for the people”.
This turns the military into a “private army” loyal to one man and his party, plain and simple.
aprilnovember811 commented:
I’LL BE DARN PATRAEUS HAS BECOME BETRAYUS! BASTARD TRAITOR TO THIS COUNTRY. WORKING AND WALKING WITH THE ENEMY HUSSEIN. I HATE THIS GUY. ANYONE WHO WOULD SAY SUCH A THING OR EVEN WORK FOR SOETORO IS A TRAITOR! WHAT AN UGLY BASTARD. EVERYONE, I’M SORRY FOR THE LANGUAGE, BUT WE HAVE IRAN AND ITS REVOLUTIONARY GUARDS SETTING UP SHOP IN VENEZUELA AND THIS IS WHAT A SOLDIER IS CONCERNED ABOUT.
THESE TWO IDIOTS NEED TO BE FIRED!
Catherine commented:
WHAT the gay’s do when they have a fight with their boyfriend’s
privite Manning gave doc.s to wikileaks
Catherine
A_Nonny_Mouse commented:
Mad Hatter #18
Yup, Casey’s idiotic notion that “diversity is CRITICALLY IMPORTANT to our military” was what popped into my head on reading this article, too!
tango commented:
Geez, you all act like the military doesn’t already have many gay members serving now who have kept quiet and followed DADT to the letter so noone they serve with knows their sexual orientation. They serve honorably and competently. You think if DADT is repealed they will all of a suddent start oogling their fellow service members in the shower and trying to seduce them all?
It comes down to character. There are plenty of heterosexual service members who act like complete predators around females. Rape, molestation, sexual harrassment and so on. They are (or should be) weeded out and discharged because their behavior is not acceptable. It’s not sexual orientation that should be evaluated but sexual behavior. The same standard will apply for gay service members. To assume just because they are gay or lesbian means they aren’t able to control themselves by seeing another soldier naked is so demeaning and sterotypes their character on the standard of their sexual orientation rather than their actual behavior.
And I’m a former military member. Serving next to a gay or lesbian wouldn’t phase me a bit. I would expect the same respect and sexual boundaries from a gay counterpart as a straight counterpart.
Larkin commented:
I’m not saying this WILL happen to the military. But…
In the 1970′s thanks to permissive, progressive attitudes, homosexuality became “acceptable” among the Catholic clergy and its hierarchy.
(Of all those claims of “child abuse” by priests…how many young GIRLS were the complainant?)
Catholic seminaries became gay magnets as gay men flocked to the open arms of Moth…er, Father Church.
Straight men began to decline the cloth in ever-increasing numbers. The tough, no-nonsense, “man’s man” priest of decades past has now become a hopelessly endangered species.
So I ask you. Dare we risk the same for the U.S. Military?
Josh commented:
Soldiers who are gay will most definitely get our troops killed. We are stationed in Muslim countries. Islam is tougher on homosexuality than the west. In the west, we can quote the Bible and share the gospel to homosexuals. We don’t behead them or kill them like they will in the Middle East. If an American soldier is stationed inside of one of those countries, and he gives that country any indication that he is gay, is will bring destruction on our troops. We will be seen as a plague that needs to get out.
If the local Muslim authorities capture a gay soldier practicing his gayness in their land, the people of that country will riot and burn down American bases, and escalate their attacks.
First Platoon - Echo Company commented:
The next logical step is for hetro men and women to bunk and shower together in the barracks. Not permitting that is gender discriminatiion, right?
man_in_tx commented:
Note to this Gay-subservient Senior NCO: Do you think it is not arrogant on your part to say these things to men (and women) who have of their own volition signed up for an all-volunteer force, and then, willingly, put their lives in harm’s way in combat — when the Army they joined had DADT in place. You are actually saying that: Now that the elites want to change the rules in the middle of the game, troops who don’t like it should…. simply get out? You are a sickeningly ungrateful and arrogant fool.
Second: Note to the sad-sack CSM, who is ostensibly SWORN to uphold the orders of his superiors: DADT is STILL the law, asshat — and don’t you forget it!
man_in_tx commented:
Obama, Mullen, Casey, Hill — the lot of them need to sh*t-canned yesterday.
midusdew commented:
Well said Tx
moron commented:
Our military taunting Muslims!! Where is political correctness and demonstrating proper respect for Mohammed and all Muslims??
Valerie commented:
The point has to be that DADT was passed by Congress, and if it is repealed by Congress and a given person can’t handle it, then, that person will have no choice but to leave. That’s merely a statement of the reality of the situation. Our military does not make policy. The chain of command will enforce policy passed by Congress. That’s their job. That is why Congress needs to be careful about its policy initiatives.
I think the solution is to explicitly state that the core principles of DADT apply to everybody in combat. It just so happens that this is already the case, but not many civilians know it.
Rock commented:
Tango you missed the point, as you said gays are allowed and do serve. The Command Sgt Maj. has now taken the position that if those of faith disagree that he feels they should not serve. And as much as you may like to say otherwise this is a country based in christian believes, and that is the real agenda behind the socialist and their useful idiots. Schools have become nothing more than day care centers, each year Christmas is attack by one group or another, those of faith are ridiculed, and God has become an ugly word to liberals. While I loath to make reference to it, the slippery slope is what is at play here you know it, I know it. By the way have a Merry Christmas.
BarryO commented:
Perhaps his overweight fat ass should leave the service…what a disgrace in uniform.
saskatchewan commented:
why doesn’t the entire armed forces simply quit en masse? now there would be a statement to get obamao impeached.
serfer62 commented:
Alright. I agree with Petreous…those that don’t want to serve with gays give them an immediate Honorable Discharge then lets see what the f***ing elitist have to say with 3 platoons of infantry and 47 divisions of pastry cooks!!!
Josh commented:
Our country is descending into the abyss…………fast.
squeaky commented:
as with bradley manning – if they can’t leave their activism at home they should stay home. activists are activists and you really don’t need troops more interested in gotcha moments than the job they were sent to do.
Iconoclast commented:
“Marvin Hill sounds like a democrat.”
He sure looks happy to be with p-lousy:
http://www.balad.afcent.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/080517-F-4617C-046.jpg
DRogers commented:
Are you kidding me. I served in the US Military and know that this NonCom says what he
is told to say by his superiors.
This will be just great for the military:
a. Homosexuals come out of the closet.
b. Experienced and battled hardened troops come out of the military in droves because of it.
c. Will this help us to fight and win future wars?
Is this really what the good 4**** General thinks is best for the U.S. military service and for America? Or is he just afraid to disagree with the WH on this subject?
TedinTX commented:
Hill was making the point than when the military is given an order, YOU DO IT–good order and conduct depend on it, lives depend on it, THE MISSION depends on it. He was being a SOLDIER and as CMD SGTMAJ: leading by example.
I am a RAGING Republican, a veteran (Gulf War era) and one who attended a high-speed, low-drag Military College *ALL* with “closeted” homosexuals. Did their sexuality make them less COMMITTED TO COUNTRY AND MISSION, less BADASSES or less capable than someone who is STRAIGHT? No. Period. This rehtoric of is getting old and tired. And if morality is your argument–and if we used that to judge all who served–we’d have closed up shop a LONG time ago (see: P.I., Saigon, Osan, etc.)
Ernest commented:
shyea what if you just wanna fight for your country and and have had expert training in marksmanship and just well about everything, but your gay and they don’t let you serve. well guess what you would of saved someones big brother out there from getting shot if you didn’t care so much about sexuality. So what if their homosexuals, what they like is up to them, if your soldiers were straight enough then they would stay straight. it’s not like you automatically turn gay in the sight of someone…. sheesh most of these people don’t have much respect when people want to fight and die for your country. If you still wanna think the way you do saying its wrong, then fine whatever keep being a dick but have in mind rather them than your son/anyone.
Point is Sexuality shouldn’t matter…. period.
CS commented:
first it was the appeasement of DADT
then the DoD gives the worthless/dangerous new RoEs..
now wants to appease with the repeal of DADT-
very slick…dangerous on both accounts but-very slick!
Radegunda commented:
We’ve been told that DADT has sadly deprived the military of the talents of people who are gay and want to serve; but if repealing DADT deprives the military of the talents of a considerable number of straight men — so what, get lost, they say.
oldguy commented:
We may be able to win these conflicts if only our generals would defect to the enemy.
Jerry C commented:
Homosexuality is less than 1% of the total population. But the majority heterosexuals are expected to “bend over” to their demands. The world is upside down. Welcome, to the End of Days. There’s just no other way to explain it. Got Jesus?
Anonymous commented:
CSM F*ckhead is advocating a political position in advance of approved policy and law… McChrystal got fired for doing less and this dork needs to go, too.
greenfairie commented:
Our military is going to be the first in the history of the world to fall apart due to social engineering. Sheesh.