More hope and change…
TSA chief John Pistole told reporters this morning that if American passengers decide they don’t want to have screening, they don’t have a right to get on the plane.
ABC’s The Note reported:

ABC News’ Huma Khan reports: Transportation Security Administration head John Pistole today defended controversial new security procedures and argued that if passengers want to get on a plane, they have to undergo new screening procedures.

“I see flying as a privilege. That is public safety issue so the government has a role in providing public safety and we need to do everything we can in partnership with the public to inform them about what their options are,” Pistole said at a breakfast with reporters organized by the Christian Science Monitor. “Passengers have a number of options as you go through screening. Bottom line is if someone decides they don’t want to have screening, they don’t have a right to get on the plane.”

Some passengers have complained that the pat-downs, implemented Nov. 1, are too invasive. One ABC News employee said the security officer put her hand inside her underwear and felt her way around. Thomas Sawyer, a bladder cancer survivor, said he was left covered in his own urine after a pat-down broke his urostomy bag.

TSA Chief Pistole is a staunch defender of terrorist rights.

More… Pistole also admitted that he withheld information on the pat-downs.

 

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  1. Bad Air Day

  2. Well make darn sure that you do the same thing to the terrorist! Hey jerk they are called MUSLIMS. btw …. search the cargo too, the cargo won’t mind being screened and sexually handled! He (pi** hole) is such a ?@#*(%#@

  3. Driving is a privilege……….for licensed drivers.

    Imagine if the TSA claimed the authority to grope all passengers in your personal vehicle.
    .

  4. Flying is privilege, subject to adjucation by the Gubmint.

    Driving a car, however, is a “right” — especially access to a license, for which our Anointed Betters in the Ruling Class have declared that zero, zip, zilch, nada, ABSOLUTELY NO personal identification/documentation can be required.

    It’s your right, dadgummit, darned straight! How utterly racially/enthnically profiling of you to dare to imply otherwise.

    Now, just spread your legs, bend over, and enjoy your latest taxpayer-paid government “service”….(remember, “service” is what they say the bull does to the cow!).

    Smile for the camera!

  5. “Protecting riders on mass-transit systems from terrorist attacks will be as high a priority as ensuring safe air travel, the new head of the Transportation Security Administration promises,” the newspaper reported on July 17.

    I guess taking the subway, bus, etc. is a privelege as well. Looks like those crazy rightwingers warning about martial law weren’t so crazy after all.

  6. Here’s my post from the previous thread –

    And it just keeps getting better and better. Remember that Civilian Security Force every bit as well trained and well equipped as the US Military TheWon talked about. Here it is -

    Soon after taking over the TSA earlier this year, the former FBI deputy director Pistole told USA Today that he will work to expand airport Gestapo zones. “Protecting riders on mass-transit systems from terrorist attacks will be as high a priority as ensuring safe air travel, the new head of the Transportation Security Administration promises,” the newspaper reported on July 17.

    “Given the list of threats on subways and rails over the last six years going on seven years, we know that some terrorist groups see rail and subways as being more vulnerable because there’s not the type of screening that you find in aviation,” Pistole said. “From my perspective, that is an equally important threat area.”

    In addition, Pistole said he would like to see TSA workers, including 47,000 screeners at 450 airports, to operate as a “national-security, counterterrorism organization, fully integrated into U.S. government efforts.” He wants to “take TSA to the next level.”

    http://www.infowars.com/tsa-searches-are-trains-and-subways-next/

    Keep your eyes open for that Reichstag Fire event.

  7. Unfortunately, we can’t do much about him at the moment, but wait until January when the Republicans take over Congress. I smell change-a-coming….

  8. Flying has made America very efficient and mobile, a huge contributor to the growth of our economy. Restrictiing it in any measure, from artifical gauntlets to jacking fuel prices and slapping on more and more regulations will cripple our economy.

    Obama said it’s all working “as planned.” Aviation is America’s forte, an enormous comparative advantage over other nations in faciliating human endeavors and force projection of our military. Wreck that and we’re ruined.

  9. Remember when only convicted criminals could be forced to do something?

    The government now assumes that we’re all ‘potential criminals’ and interferes with our rights before we ever get a chance to commit a crime.
    .

  10. How does one become TSA chief? Is this an appointment? This guy needs canned and fast. He’s a jackass, and he’s terrible at PR. Another thing on the to-do list for the incoming House Republicans, hopefully.

  11. Memo to Fascist-wannabe Pistole:

    Dear Assha… er, I mean, Sir,

    Your job is a privilege. That privilege will be revoked in due course.

    Regards,

    Americans Who Cherish Our Constitutional Rights

  12. dwd – head of TSA is a political appointment. Agency heads are supposed to be approved by Congress, but TheWon has deliberately taken advantage of Congressional vacations to make appointments without Congressional approval at least 3 or 4 times. Some of the creeps he has put in place this way wouldn’t pass a security check for a crossing guard.

  13. As someone who was sexually abused as a child I truly fear that if I were abused by a TSA pervert I might go berserk. I cannot allow myself to be put in that position so I am now a prisoner in my own country and not free to travel.

  14. BREAKING Ground Zero Mosque Developers Apply for $5 Million Grant from the 911 Redevelopment Fund!!!

    WTH??!!!

  15. I wonder if TSA still has rules limiting the number of Moslems who can be searched?

  16. When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bonds which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security. –Such has been the patient sufferance of these colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former systems of government . . . WHEN?

  17. “I see flying as a privilege.

    By this reasoning, New Jersey State Troopers should have every right to “profile” drivers on New Jersey highways because it is a privilege to drive a motor vehicle in New Jersey.

  18. #17 November 22, 2010 at 1:03 pm
    Neo commented:

    “I see flying as a privilege.

    By this reasoning, New Jersey State Troopers should have every right to “profile” drivers on New Jersey highways because it is a privilege to drive a motor vehicle in New Jersey.
    _________

    Massachusetts too. By this reasoning, police have the right to stop any driver for anything and physically search him and his possessions with no warrant and no cause. The courts have overturned that time and time again.

  19. I am considering taking the train to Montreal and flying to England from there. More costly, but at least I will not be groped or radiated.

  20. What amazes me is how many of these incompetents get high paying government jobs.

  21. Drudge just now has an article about a guy who refused both the scanner and the pat down and he stripped to his skivies. TSA demanded that he put his clothes back on so they could pat him down. UNBELIEVABLE!!

    What we need is a group of a few hundred persons to gather at the screening area and begin to flagrantly grope each other in the most intimate places. Will the police arrest them for public indecency? They can state that they personally want to be sure that others have no weapons and that they don’t trust TSA. What’s good for TSA is good for the public.

  22. Where did they find thses TSA thugs? Probably in the SEIU. Right up their alley to harras the public. Instead of opting out of the scans and clogging the airports, why not just point at the TSA thugs when you see them in uniform and call them pedofile, or sick gropper or some other derogatory name and laugh at them. Humiliate them and maybe they’ll quit.

  23. The Gestapo are coming.

  24. Granny,
    Funny you should mention Reichstag:

    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/11/muslim-terror-imminent-in-germany-germany-closes-famous-glass-dome-at-berlins-reichstag-to-visitors-.html

    Germans shut it down due to the threat of an impending jihadi Mumbai massacre style attack.

    BTW I agree with you about the fact that this mess we’ve all been talking about for the past 2 weeks with the TSA’s atrocious behavior is only the beginning of their over-reach.

    And is it a “coincidence that gas prices are rising, making it harder for us to take long car trips?

  25. Zila, no of course it is not a coincidence. I’ve been around watching gas prices since they were 10 cents a gallon or so. Less if the local gas stations were having a price war. Had you not noticed that after the flap a couple of years ago when gas went to almost $5 a gallon (over in some places) that it miraculously dropped back down to half that price and has remained stable until just the last couple of weeks?

    One of the things that amazed me this last summer was that we had no summer gas price hike during tourist season. We always have a gas price hike in honor of the tourists. Every year for the last half-century at least.

  26. ++

    Earth to whomever it may concern..

    we are surrounded by fascists, not
    a wanna-be amongst them.. hell-O??

    Napolitano May Exempt Muslims From Airport Pat-Downs

    [The demand came last week from the politically-connected Muslim rights organization that serves as the U.S. front for the Palestinian terrorist group Hamas. Calling the searches “invasive” and “humiliating,” the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) advises Muslim women wearing religious head covers known as hijabs to reject full-body checks before boarding planes.

    Those who are selected for the secondary screenings should remind Transportation Security Administration (TSA) officers that they are only supposed to pat down the head and neck and that they should not subject Muslim women to a full-body or partial body pat-down, according to CAIR’s advisory. It further says that, instead of a body search, Muslim women can request to check their own hijab and have officers perform a chemical swipe of their hands.]

    I GUARANTEE YOU THERE IS NO “MAY” ABOUT IT, GAH!!

    re: Granny #6

    [Just last week a Massachusetts news station revealed that TSA cleared dozens of illegal immigrants to train as pilots in the U.S., despite “strict security controls” implemented after 9/11. Some of the illegal immigrants provided the station with official TSA documents approving pilot lessons through the agency’s alien flight student program. After the story broke, Homeland Security officials promised to “review the process” for clearing foreign nationals to become licensed pilots.]

    OT..

    don’t dare say we weren’t warned..

    this cannot happen here, no no no, we’re too big to fail, yeah right..

    ==

  27. Too invasive? They are taking naked pictures of passengers and touching all the private parts of passengers – and this includes children. I can’t tell you how f’ed up this is, but even more f’ed up is the fact that some people see no problem with this.

  28. I would point out to Mr. Pistole that a flight ticket is a commercial transaction. If I purchase a ticket to fly from Houston to St. Louis on Southwest Airlines, my commecial transaction is with Southwest Airlines, not the federal government. So it is up to Southwest Airlines to create the guidelines of a transaction with them and I can either agree with them, and purchase the ticket, or not.

    It is not the right of the federal government to interfer with the transactions between private citizens and private companies. And I would think that this invasive technique of searching (a clear violation of our 4th Amendment rights) would be thrown out in court as it hinders the completion of a private company/citizen transaction. I would also say that in the event you choose to not accept the invasive security, you could sue Southwest Airlines for failure to reveal the entire terms of the contract (your ticket).

    Odd that these techniques just started on November 1st. I think the administration has become heady with power since the Congress seems to think that you can pass a law that requires a private citizen to engage in commerce even if they don’t want to (the health care bill does exactly that) with the threat of punishment from the IRS.

  29. This statement will never stand in court. Air travel is a public accomodation, just like taxi travel, housing etc. We do not give up our rights py purchasing air travel services.

  30. Jim – minor correction…

    Its Grope and Change…

    …americans must have misunderstood since they are hardwired not to think clearly when they are scared.

  31. I want them to implement cavity searches straight away – I want to see how many will submit to cavity searches in the name of security.

  32. Remember during the town hall meetings when the lady asked the Arlen Spector “If they can do this to us, what else can they do?”

    Now you know.

  33. And at what point will that be the excuse to hamper traveling by bus, trains, ships, or even subways, worst, for crossing state borders. Rarely does government ever relinquish a power once it has it, and almost always expands on it. The writing is not only on the wall, its being shoved up our collective butts.

  34. Jim, #14 deserves its own thread.

  35. #26, bg – interesting article re the Cloward-Pliven. Let me add a little background to that.

    The Food Stamp program was begun under Lyndon Johnson a part of his “War on Poverty.” That program is based on the diet that was used at the Dachau concentration camp. At the time that the program was being put into place, the then Surgeon General of the United States testified to Congress that this was an emergency diet, that no adult should be expected to subsist on this diet for more than a few months and that no child should be fed this diet for a single day. You can verify that in “Hunger in America”, done by Harvard School of Public Health in the late 70′s or very early 80s. It used to be almost impossible to find, but I hear it is available online these days. Worth a good read.

    At any rate, when you hear about the “market basket” what they are talking about is the average (mean) cost of a specific list of items of a given quantity intended to feed that family of 4 on the Food Stamp program. It is the cost of the market basket that determines food stamp award levels.

    So, it has been nearly fifty years since Lyndon Johnson’s War on Poverty passed into law. During that time we have raised almost a full three generations of children on that food stamp diet they were not supposed to subsist on for even a single day. When you wonder why Johnny can’t read and Mary can’t add – start there. The diet does not allow enough nutrition for proper brain development.

    I first learned about this almost 30 years ago and for all of those 30 years I have said two things about this -

    1. “Welfare” is a deliberate effort to produce a permanent underclass of essentially slave labor
    2. That I would live to see concentration camps in the US in my lifetime.

    Now, before you get all het-up over #1 and call me names, think about what has been going on in education during those last 30 years: NO TOLERANCE – not for guns, not for speech that the majority does not like, not for anything that is the least out of line, not for knives. Children can no longer read or do math without a calculator. And much, much more. They have been literally indoctrinated politically. The curriculum has been dumbed down. Bright students are left to sit while everyone else “catches up”. Excellence has no place. They are neither allowed nor encouraged to think for themselves. They are still “dependent” on their parents for tax purposes and medical insurance purposes until they are 25 or 26 years old. These kids have no clue what Freedom of Speech means. They think that Freedom of speech applies only to politically correct speech. If you don’t agree – shut up! They do not know what Freedom from Unwarranted Search means – they’ve been searched every day of their lives on the way into school.

    So, now we are here. A huge workforce of young people with no jobs, no job skills and no hope of a job, every one of which has been conditioned since birth to do and think and say and go exactly where they are told.

  36. If any president can destroy air travel and get man back on the ground, walking, where they belong, it’s Obama and his band of merry men.

  37. ++

    this TSA dust-up is two pronged..

    aside from testing US to see how far we’ll allow our liberties to be
    crushed (and they certainly have been and are being incrementally
    crushed).. not that they give a damn since we’ve given them more
    than ample time to make preparations for handling any blowback),
    it’s also a HUGE distraction allowing them to pass legislation we’d
    be twice as outraged by if our attention were to focus on it, gah!!

    ie: S. 510

    and we can thank God, for now anyways..

    [The Senate debated S. 510, the FDA Food Safety Modernization Act, last week. I was not able to watch the debate and was disappointed to find not one word about it in Friday's New York Times. I guess it doesn't count as news when Senators stall legislation that would give the FDA the authority it needs to ensure safe food.

    Fortunately, Helena Bottemiller of FoodSafetyNews is on the job.

    She reports:

    • The Senate is unlikely to do anything with the bill until
    after Thanksgiving recess, November 29 at the earliest.

    • Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK) is trying to block the bill by forcing a
    vote on an amendment to ban all earmark spending through 2013.

    • Although the bill ostensibly has wide bipartisan support in the Senate and the House, big agricultural groups are unhappy about the recent Tester amendment mandating exemptions for small farms. Twenty produce groups signed a letter (PDF) to Senate leadership arguing against the exemptions.

    • All bets are off on what will happen next.]

    related

    AS HAS BEEN WARNED TIME & AGAIN, MATTERS NOT WHICH PARTY
    HOLDS CONGRESSIONAL POWER – “WE THE PEOPLE” ARE LOSING
    ON EVERY FRONT” – EVERY SINGLE CONGRESSMAN’S FOOT NEEDS
    TO BE HELD TO THE FIRE..

    ==

  38. FIGHT THE TSA!!

  39. This has become a national embarrassment which illustrates how our government is simply incapable of accomplishing important objectives. Not only is our government simply inept, they have gloriously illustrated – yet again – that they have absolutely no ability to employ discretion or even common sense.

    And yet, there is a bright side to all of this nonsense. If anyone ever had one scintilla of doubt as to whether the government should be entrusted with _________ (fill in the blank with anything), they now have a much tougher argument to make don’t they?

    In addition, it should be noted that if the technology exists for computer programs to scan images and highlight suspicious areas that match programmed criteria, we all should know that the images created by the body scanners could be much more effectively and efficiently scanned with such technology, thereby eliminating the need for any human beings to look at the vast majority of the images generated by the scanners.

  40. ++

    bottom line in 0 nuts hell..

    GIVE TERRORISTS CITIZENS RIGHTS
    AND STRIP SEARCH THEIR VICTIMS!!

    ==

  41. Mr. Pistole should be fired. He is not the kind of responsible public servant our country needs at this critical juncture. He is more interested in protecting the rights of a few who might be inconvenienced if profiling were put in place and couldn’t care less about abusing the countless regular people who are innocent and just want to go somewhere after paying for their plane ticket. This man, who ought to know about constitutional rights, thinks it is perfectly fine to violate the rights of millions. Isn’t there an ounce of common sense left in government? Come on, Congress! Act now and rid us of this embarassment called John Pistole. Eliminate the TSA and he’ll have no job.

  42. “John Locke, call your office!!!”

    I believe that our social contract with the ruling class has been broken. History shows what the only remedy for abusive government is.

  43. ++

    re: #37

    A Glimps into S 510, the Food Safety Modernization Act of 2010

    [Senate Bill S510 Makes it illegal to Grow, Share, Trade or Sell
    Homegrown Food S 510, the Food Safety Modernization Act of
    2010, may be the most dangerous bill in the history of the US.

    It is similar to what India faced with imposition of the salt tax during British rule, only S 510 extends control over all food in the US, violating the fundamental human right to food. S 510 would give Monsanto unlimited power over all US seed, food supplements, food and farming.

    S 510 fails on moral, social, economic, political,
    constitutional, and human survival grounds.]

    more info & links via video info, also more
    here, and elsewhere on the net of course..

    ==

  44. Can’t you people see that there is a very serious threat right now of a Mumbai-style attack? I mean come on, wake…..Oh you say that the Mumbai attack didn’t involve airplanes. Hmmmm, well than nevermind.

  45. ++

    re: #43

    UN

    ["My hope is that this charter will
    be a kind of Ten Commandments"

    ~ Mikhail Gorbachev

    "The real goal of the Earth Charter is that it will
    in fact become like the Ten Commandments"

    ~ Michael Strong

    "We are moving toward a New World Order, the world
    of communism. We shall never turn off that road."

    ~ Mikhail Gorbachev

    "The social experiment in China under Chairman Moa's leadership
    is one of the most important and successful in human history."

    ~ David Rockefeller]

    Islam

    [Today, the responsibility, which used to be laid at
    the door of God, is fastened on the shoulders of man.
    ]

    the powers that be evidently believe the New World Order rests upon Obama’s messianic shoulders, not to mention what the ONE believes..

    sorry for going OT, but it is all related in as much as all being
    connected to the fundamental change Obama promised US..

    ==

  46. Body Scan manufacturers spend millions on lobbying. Among their lobbyists – the wife of Senator Tom Daschle!

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2010-11-22-scanner-lobby_N.htm

  47. Where do the Senators and Representatives stand on this? Have I missed all the statements in support or against the TSA?

  48. ++

    Obama’s TSA Gropers vs. Bush’s NSA Eavesdroppers

    [.] During live coverage on September 13, 2001, ABC’s late Peter Jennings suggested the United States might no longer be a free country. “Much of the evidence now being obtained in this investigation is being obtained under something called the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, which is pretty much equivalent, I think some people believe, to martial law,” Jennings told former Clinton Justice Department official Eric Holder.

    “As a result,” Jennings wondered, “do you believe that civil
    liberties have effectively been suspended in the country?”

    [..]

    And only NBC’s Pete Williams on September 10, 2003, told viewers that some of the supposedly controversial elements of the Patriot Act — including the provision for “delayed notification,” where a warrant can be executed to search a home or business and the subject only told about it after the fact — were already legally-approved techniques for anti-drug and mob cases prior to the Patriot Act becoming law.

    [..]

    In 2005, all three broadcast networks jumped on revelations in the New York Times that the National Security Agency (NSA) had been monitoring suspicious phone calls and e-mails to and from the United States. That first night, December 16, 2005, ABC’s World News Tonight began their broadcast with the words “Big Brother” beside a picture of President Bush; anchor Bob Woodruff teased, “Big Brother, the uproar over a secret presidential order giving the government unprecedented powers to spy on Americans.”

    CBS anchor Bob Schieffer began the Evening News by presenting the President as tilting toward criminality: “It is against the law to wiretap or eavesdrop on the conversations of Americans in this country without a warrant from a judge, but the New York Times says that is exactly what the President secretly ordered the National Security Agency to do in the months after 9/11.”

    [..]

    Apparently, the possible illegality of divulging government secrets to the New York Times did not trouble network reporters. But those same journalists seem to regard the government’s monitoring of overseas phone calls involving potentially dangerous terrorists as a great threat to the public — greater, presumably, than the danger posed by damaging the government’s anti-terrorism efforts by disclosing them to the world.]

    like the fact that there has been a double standard for
    decades hasn’t been made perfectly clear yet?? gah!!

    ==

  49. Mr. Pistols is completly wrong. Flying is not a “privilege”, anymore than buying a computer or a house is a “privilege”. It’s a business/commercial transaction between a member of the public and an airline. WE have made a mistake acquiescing to the government and allowing it to interrupt that business transaction with their so called “security” procedures.

  50. Three words TSA Chief. Right-to-travel.

    The right to travel is firmly established in U.S. law and precedent. In U.S. v Guest, 383 U.S. 745 (1966), the Court noted, “It is a right that has been firmly established and repeatedly recognized.” In fact, in Shapiro v Thompson, 394 U.S. 618 (1969), Justice Stewart noted in a concurring opinion that “it is a right broadly assertable against private interference as well as governmental action. Like the right of association, … it is a virtually unconditional personal right, guaranteed by the Constitution to us all. Dunn v. Blumstein, 405 U.S. 330, 334 (1972). Inasmuch as the right to travel is implicated by state distinctions between residents and nonresidents, the relevant constitutional provision is the privileges and immunities clause, Article IV, sec. 2, cl. 1.

  51. Maria commented:

    Mr. Pistols is completly wrong. Flying is not a “privilege”,

    In the America of the past that was true. In Obama’s world there are no rights, only privilege’s that can be granted or denied based on the whims of bureaucrats. Think not, well Obama could end this nonsense PDQ, and his little pet Pistols would cease and desist tucking his tail between his legs, not going to happen. If the President was offended by this he would be on TV reassuring the American people. Instead we have had one of the longest dry spells in his term. Get use to the fact you now live in a Socialist country betrayed by the scum in DC.
    Maybe you have not figured out what redistribution of wealth means, well for one you will not be retaining your home it will be at some point doled out to one of the Party favorites. To believe less is foolhardy, he has no problem with his goons traumatizing your children, your home is nothing but property to be used as a reward for the faithful.

  52. What kind of lunatic is this Pistole anyway? Flying may technically be a “privilege” but this guy is going to tell us that the privilege comes only if you allow yourself to be molested???

    Something’s got to give here. This isn’t just unacceptable; this is an abomination. Where did they find this Pistole guy, in the psychiatric ward? Was he dismembering squirrels when they found him?

  53. Pistole is not a lunatic, he is doing what he has learned throughout his career. Pistole is a career FBI agent and is well used to enforcing rules and laws that he does not need to obey.

    While Pistole is certainly a very large face of the problem, he is not the only problem.

    Pistole works for Janet Napotalano, who was appointed by Obama and works directly for the President. That means that Pistole is exactly one level below President Obama himself.

    To me, this makes Obama entirely responsible for the abusive treatment and the violation of my Constitutional Rights.

    Even more depressing and disappointing is the fact that I watched that same Barack Obama swear to support and uphold the Constitution that is now being so horribly violated.

    Obama can stop this with a phone call. Blame, please, where blame is due.

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