White House: Victory Mosque at Ground Zero Is Pro-American… Burning Koran Is Un-American
Posted by Jim Hoft on Tuesday, September 7, 2010, 1:11 PM
Last week Barack Obama stood by his support for the Ground Zero Victory Mosque.
Obama told Brian Williams:
“My statement was very clear. If you can build a church on that site, if you can build a synagogue or a Hindu Temple on that site, then we can’t treat people of the Islamic faith differently who are Americans.”
Fast forward one week…
The Obama White House doesn’t want a Christian Church in Florida to to burn copies of the Muslim holy book.
That would be un-American.
The Washington Post reported:
The White House says an American church’s threat to burn copies of the Muslim holy book could endanger U.S. troops serving overseas, and the State Department denounced the plan as “un-American.”
White House spokesman Robert Gibbs says that type of activity gets transmitted back to places like Afghanistan, where U.S. forces could be put in harm’s way. The U.S. commander in Afghanistan, Gen. David Petraeus, says the images of a burning Quran would be used by extremists to incite violence.
State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley called a Florida church’s threat to burn copies of the Quran to mark the Sept. 11 attacks “un-American” and said the plan was “inconsistent with the values of religious tolerance and religious freedom.”
And, he wonders why 1 in 4 Americans believe he’s a Muslim?
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Bill commented:
If americans can burn an American flag in the name of free speech, why can’t they burn the muslim’s holy book? What is the difference?
Just_Saying commented:
Islam is of Satan. Plain and simple. If we submit, we lose. Never give in. Fight the good fight.
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aprilnovember811 commented:
The White House says an American church’s threat to burn copies of the Muslim holy book could endanger U.S. troops serving overseas, and the State Department denounced the plan as “un-American.”
Maybe his little puppy Brian Williams should have asked him, if he felt it was un-American for his friend Ayers to step on the American Flag. I guess he was exercising his right to free speech?
aprilnovember811 commented:
What about stealing the cross in the Mojave Desert? I didn’t hear all of these cries of being un-American, when his leftist friends did this.
Obama is a Muslim, the Paki Minister, wants him to say prayers on 9/11, and name him Caliph of all Muslims. Isn’t it tolerant of him to want to give this title to the Christian Obama? Right. Soetoro is a Muslim, and he wasn’t born here. Furthermore, everyone in government knows it, and is pretending they don’t. Media too.
Paki Minister Wants Obama to Offer Eid Prayers at Ground Zero & Declare Himself Caliph of All Muslims
http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/09/paki-minister-wants-obama-to-offer-eid-prayers-at-ground-zero-declare-himself-caliph-of-all-muslims/#comments
We know they’re liars. They think we’re too stupid to see, that they’re hiding his being a Kenyan born, Muslim.
Joanne commented:
Sensitivity goes both ways. It doesn’t matter if it is a burning of a Koran or drawing cartoon pictures of their pedophile prophet; they will threaten violence to control non-muslims…..and personally nothing makes me madder than hypocrites who don’t think they are hypocrites but are persons who actually believe that all non-muslims are beneath them and should convert to Islam, be killed, or dominated and taxed. People should never give in to threats of violent retaliation for something other people would have no problem doing to a Bible. How many Bibles are there in Saudia Arabia?
american patriot commented:
What is wrong with you people. No longer is the pretense at self-government operative. We are now being ruled. And what our rulers say, we must do.
Joanne commented:
Check out Gates of Vienna to see their comment on this. It seems there was the same warning given to people who burned the Mein Kampf – and did it stop the Nazis…..no.
Joanne commented:
“My statement was very clear. If you can build a church on that site, if you can build a synagogue or a Hindu Temple on that site, then we can’t treat people of the Islamic faith differently who are Americans.”
Yah, well, it wasn’t Christians, Jews or Hindu’s flying planes into the towers and the Pentagon – it was muslims. Maybe when Christians, Jews, and Hindu’s start slaughtering thousands of innocent Americans and others, then
Joanne commented:
……maybe they’ll get the same treatment.
Kirstin commented:
Burning anyone’s holy book is wrong, so I don’t fault the president for that declaration. However, he still misses the point about the mosque near Ground Zero. He continues to harp on the rights of builders although few people argue with their rights. It is whether they should act on those rights that matters. Similarly, while someone in the U.S. is “free” to burn a copy of the Quran, or the Bible, or the Book of Mormon, that is a freedom they should not exercise.
RUDE RICHARD commented:
THEY WON’T LET THEM REBUILD THE CHURCH THAT WAS ACROSS THE STREET, BUT THIS ILLEGAL MUSLIM PRESIDENT WANTS HIS VICTORY MOSQUE, WAKEUP AMERICA, THESE MUSLIM TERRORISTS WANT US DEAD!
Sabba Hillel commented:
You made an arithmetic mistake. 19% is almost 1 in 5 (20%) not 1 in 4 (25%)
Chkn Fryd commented:
Bill @ 1: So only burn a Quran if it’s wrapped in an American flag and you’ll call the whole free speech issue even?! Maybe it’s just me, but isn’t the same segment of society which considers the President a Nazi the one burning the books?
And it’s the troops (including Gen. Petraus) who are saying this will endanger them, not just the White House.
Sabba Hillel commented:
Never mind. I see that you updated the line to remove the 19% and make it conform to the original post.
ProLifer commented:
“BURN BABY BURN!”
I’m really scared of Muslim fanatics — NOT!
free` commented:
“burning Quran would be used by extremists to incite violence.”
I think they are afraid that just like the cartoons, it will show the world that the extremists are a huge majority of muslims.
Chkn Fryd commented:
Wait, wait, wait. ProLifer @ 15 just used a mantra from the Women’s Lib movement to make a point! I love it!
Chip Bennett commented:
For all my concern regarding the impact this political stunt will have on the church’s ability to spread the Gospel, it is certainly hitting its intended (and inevitable) political mark.
For the President of the United States – charged under oath to uphold the Constitution, which guarantees the rights of free speech and expression – to call the act of burning the Q’aran un-American is beyond the pale.
Rose commented:
Victory Mosque at Ground Zero is in the words of the founder of it, HIS GAZA IN AMERICA – therefore is NOT Pro-America.
Only so much you can insult and damage Americans with Flag Burning, Bible Burning, Christian or Patriot Founders monument removals, before it will become a TWO-WAY STREET, whether the majority of Christians agree with that TYPE of retaliation, or whether we decide there must be a viable SELF-DEFENSE mounted in one way or in other ways.
Flight 93 Moslim Terrorist Monument, Ground Zero Victory Mosque at “Gaza in America – not Pro-American – and you have to remember – the FOUNDERS said RIGHTS come with RESPONSIBILITIES and ACCOUNTABILITIES.
That whoever exercises their RIGHTS is going to have to face the consequences.
Frankly, I see neither of those occurrences as a RIGHT by the PERPETRATORS, because even a cursory review of the men responsible shows such intimate ties with foreign terrorists (Rauf, founder of “Free Gaza Flotilla” – major contributor to “Audacity of Hope Flotilla” – both gunrunning to Hamas, both aided by Bill Ayers author of Obama AUTObiographies), it can only be called COLLUSION WITH THE ENEMIES of America – THUS, TREASON!
Obama has the documents and is aware of the documents that show the collusion of these men with Iran and Hamas.
antilbr commented:
The heck with burning the Quran…Lets start burning the terrorist Muslim ba$!@rds,and every country that harbours them….If we would not have been so politically correct when this all started after 9/11 and toasted all their a$$e$ to begin with we would’nt have been in this mess…..This is a war,NO VERBAL OPTIONS ALLOWED…………
Sen. Fuller Bull - D commented:
Should we expect any less from the guy who sat in the Revrum Wright’s racist church for 20+ years?
Chkn Fryd commented:
Chip @ 18: Demanding a Constitutional right to free speech while seeking to deny others their Constitutionally guaranteed religious freedoms secured by the Founders IS un-American. Not seeking to deny Muslim rights? Have you read these postings?
Patman commented:
Have box of American made matches. Got my copy of the Koran. Calling my friends right now. Keep the 12th open if you’d like to join me.
See yah there (in spirit of freedom).
Patman
Ginger commented:
Like that wonderful brave woman said, “you have woken the sleeping giant.”
I am tired of turning thy cheek! We have put up with you murders for years bombing our ships and killing our loved ones! 911 has caused me to think differently about the dirty muslims! YOU WILL NOT TAKE OVER OUR COUNTRY SO GO BACK TO YOUR COUNTRY
Stephen Lowe commented:
Question : has anyone asked these developers of the GZ mosque, if in the future they needed to sell this property, if they would sell it to Christians, Jews or any non-muslim? The answer is no they would not sell to those groups. isn’t that discrimination?
ivehadit commented:
This so-called church must be a liberal bastion because every liberal fanatic is posting on this, trying to make Christians look extreme and this church is helping that cause significantly.
And to Christians’ credit (as opposed to others) we are DENOUNCING this act. I would NEVER EVER want a Bible burned under ANY circumstances, anywhere, anytime by ANYONE. Even those who do not accept it.
I do not believe Jesus would condone this, either.
I am VERY SUSPICIOUS of this Dove “church”. Anyone who would call for such a thing as this, that would endanger our troops, has a VERY BIG screw loose, imho.
This thread has some very nasty comments from sitepests, imho.
american patriot commented:
Only in the goofy world of Islam,
Burn two mega towers (not owned by you) filled with kuffirs, A-okay.
Burn a book (owned by the burner) causing harm to no one. Not okay. In fact such behavior is cause for outrage and of course provides full justification for any deaths of kuffirs by those so outraged.
Rock commented:
Some seem to be misinformed, most Americans do not see Obama as a Nazi but as a Socialist. Second the Quran could be considered a Muslim equivalent to Sun Tzu’s Art of War, as such I see no religious protection for it. We are at war with the Muslim World and the BS PC of Obama and his Socialist soldiers is an attempt to disarm America. Many are getting tired of being threaten by the Muslim world then have them hide behind their religion when called on their attempts to expand control here. Race baiting by a society that wish’s total dominance over the world, what bull. You only need to look at what is happening in France, Spain, or a half dozen other European Nation’s to see the danger of failing to not control, but stop the spread of their murderous evil. Chkn Fryd I suspect is one of DC Bobs trolls sent out to spread lies and cause confusion within the ranks of the Right. Whether he has dumbed down his comments intentionally to misled I have no way of knowing. Truth is he has failed pathetically. He is neither believable, or relevant.
Chkn Fryd commented:
I’ve had it @ 26: Yeah, ain’t free speech a beeyotch!
Paddy commented:
There is no question that burning a copy of the Koran is constitutionally protected free speech. However, just because you can burn the book cannot change the fact that it is a terrible idea. General Patraeus laid out the reasons why it is a bad idea.
The Ground Zero mosque deserves the same approach. Not only is it a bad idea because of its impact on families of those killed there. The mosque is intended to convey a message of victory of Islam over the Western civilization and to illustrate the stupidity of Americans who favor the project.
Freddy commented:
Unmentioned in most circles is the fact that there are parts of the Koran that are deliberate distortions of the Christian Bible.
This was done by the Muslims specifically to demean Christians. These Christians were then subject to death if they refused to believe the Koran.
As for the White House, I wonder WHY they NEVER complain about ANYONE that burns a US Flag?
Chkn Fryd commented:
Rock@ 28: Yeah, this imagery just threw me what can I say.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/16/10-most-offensive-tea-par_n_187554.html
I must be confusing the Teaparty picture labeled “BHO, The New Face of Hitler” with Harriet and Harry’s boy: lil’ Homer Hitler?!
ProLifer commented:
The debate over the Ground Zero Mosque has “unmasked” Obama as a president who favors Muslim interests over those of the American people.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/aug/19/obamas-islamic-agenda/
Chkn Fryd commented:
So, the secret Muslim, who engages in promoting racist, Christian liberation theology, is actually a Godless communist?
Rand Paul thinks property rights trump civil rights.
You all love Rand Paul.
You hate the Ground Zero Mosque.
It offends your civil rights.
You don’t own the GZM property.
Moral – careful what you vote for.
Ginger commented:
Barry said it in his book that Ayers wrote for him that he would side with his muslim buddies! He is!
olm commented:
I find all book burning stupid. Really stupid. I can find better things to do with the koran that would be more appropriate…….however, not really the point here.
I also find it stupid that anyone would say that it puts our troops in harms way…..and they aren’t now? Hello.
Funny how Obama comes down on the side of Islam time and time again. That really is the point.
dacoelec commented:
Burn baby burn!!
Ginger commented:
olm
I have thought the same thing about our troops being in harms way. Why would Betray us or any one else even bring up the troops because we do not need the attention focused on them!
btw… I used betray us like soros did because I feel like he has betrayed us by obeying the frauds orders! I guess he too is buildaberg/one world order too?
Chkn Fryd commented:
I tremble for my Country when I reflect that God is just. – Thomas Jefferson. In contrast to our conversation, he didn’t fear his opposition, only divine retribution for his actions.
Rock commented:
Any who try and use the huffingprick as a reliable source to support a argument is a hopeless Leftest. Second I would never visit their site no need to increase their hits, but thanks for doing that for Jim. And lets not forget the Lefts treatment of Bush including some rather outlandish statements from Pelosi. But then I really do not want to get into the Obama blame game. Lastly get over it you will not convert any here. Go suck up to your Muslim brothers, and Socialist loving Democrats. Again their supposed bible is nothing but a guide to domination. Bad things will happen but 911 was their doing not ours.
Chip Bennett commented:
@ChknFryd
Nobody is seeking to deny Muslims the right to exercise their religion. We wish to deny their desire to gloat over the murder of 3,000 innocent Americans in the name of Islam.
I’d say nice try, but really, it wasn’t.
A Reminder for you commented:
* Muslims fly commercial airliners into buildings in New York City. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslim officials block the exit where school girls are trying to escape a burning building because their faces were exposed. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslims cut off the heads of three teen aged girls on their way to school in Indonesia. A Christian school. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslims murder teachers trying to teach Muslim children in Iraq. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslims murder over 80 tourists with car bombs outside cafes and hotels in Egypt. No Muslim outrage.
* A Muslim attacks a missionary children’s school in India. Kills six. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslims slaughter hundreds of children and teachers in Beslan, Russia. Muslims shoot children in the back. No Muslim outrage.
* Let’s go way back. Muslims kidnap and kill athletes at the Munich Summer Olympics. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslims fire rocket-propelled grenades into schools full of children in Israel. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslims murder more than 50 commuters in attacks on London subways and busses. Over 700 are injured. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslims massacre dozens of innocents at a Passover Seder. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslims murder innocent vacationers in Bali. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslim newspapers publish anti-Semitic cartoons. No Muslim outrage
* Muslims are involved, on one side or the other, in almost every one of the 125+ shooting wars around the world. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslims beat the charred bodies of Western civilians with their shoes, then hang them from a bridge. No Muslim outrage.
Dead children. Dead tourists. Dead teachers. Dead doctors and nurses. Death, destruction and mayhem around the world at the hands of Muslims .. no Muslim outrage .
chuck in st paul commented:
thank you for those guiding words Osama bin Bama
chkn fryd @22, please stop resurecting that lameass ‘religious freedom’ argument. They are free to practice their religion. No one is free to build any darn thing they want any darn place they please. It’s called zoning and it’s been around a long, long time. Permits are denied for a legion of reasons.
In addition the Christian church damaged on 9/11 is being denied the ability to rebuild itself, yet a newcomer is getting the red carpet treatment from government. That right there tells me this whole deal stinks to high heaven. You can also add that Mayor Bloomy has financial interests in the Middle East now and wants to increase them. Gee… ya think there might be a bit of a conflict of interest there… Hmmm, maybe.
This victory mosque is a travesty, pure and simple.
kato commented:
President says burning the Koran is “un-American.”
It’s not un-American at all, Mr. Jive Act. It’s an exercise of free speech, just like when a left-wing jackass burns an American flag and frauds like you endorse the act on First Amendment grounds.
Petraeus says burning the Koran will endanger American soldiers.
Bullsh—. Afghanis don’t like Americans better when they burn the American flag and they wouldn’t even be aware that a handful of right-wing kooks are burning a Koran if an army of left-wing politicians and journolists didn’t blow it up into an international incident.
If American soldiers are endangered, it’s probably because strategy and tactics leave something to be desired.
Ginger commented:
Mayor bloomy has sold out his fellow Americans to the evil muslims for more money! Hey, traitor you can’t take it with you! May Satan pat you on the back as you inter his kingdom!
Chippy commented:
Even though the U.S. Constitution protects an individual’s religious rights, those religious rights cannot userp our Constitution. That is the law. Separation of church and state. Sharia law forbids the free exercise of non-Muslim faiths. Get it!
Remember this? commented:
U.S. military destroys soldier’s Bibles
Fred Jackson – OneNewsNow – 5/5/2009
Bible The U.S. military is confirming that it has destroyed some Bibles belonging to an American soldier serving in Afghanistan.
Reuters News says the Bibles were confiscated and destroyed after Qatar-based Al Jazeer television showed soldiers at a Bible class on a base with a stack of Bibles translated into the local Pashto and Dari languages.
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Security/Default.aspx?id=516980
Jim commented:
It’s called the opposite game. If Obama says something is unAmerican then doing the exact thing must be American. He says building a mosque at ground zero is a good thing. But it’s really a bad thing. He says higher unemployment numbers are good things, but they are really bad things. He says higher debt levels for the nation are good things, but they are really bad things. The opposite game. Works every time with O.
Betsy Ross commented:
Since when is burning something as an expression of free speech “un-American”? Can’t have it both ways, liberals, either it’s all free speech or none of it is….Remember, liberals, you were the ones saying how important it was to have piss-jesus and elephant dung mary proclaimed “art”…
Dixie commented:
burning any book is un-American. Let me be clear, I’m not questioning their right to burn the books just the wisdom of it. And actually what is the purpose of it ?
Rock commented:
(I tremble for my Country when I reflect that God is just. – Thomas Jefferson). Odd a Socialist would use a quote form Jefferson. Of course leaving out the beginning of that quote, which lays claim to our liberties being a gift of God not the government. Are these people born with fork tongues or is this a procedure that is performed in whatever Ivy League training center they attend?
Chkn Fryd commented:
Ginger @ 38: So, you were for Petraus before you were against him? Why does that sound so familiar?
Rock @ 40: yeah, facts do suck, but I’m not going to let you grade your own papers this time; seems like you all somehow get higher grades when you do that, but I need to actually know what goes on in our country. Read it, then decide.
Chip @ 41: The right to decide what is worship and what isn’t, isn’t just a religious freedom issue, it is THE religious freedom issue.
ARFY @ 42: They were all acts of terrorism, not Islam. Or in the alternative, they were all acts of violent, Islamic extremist outrage; again, not of Islam. Or are you saying the USA did fight a pro-Christian, anti-Muslim war in Iraq? Yeah, I don’t think so either.
Chuck @ 43: So, what are the zoning problems the church has? Apparently, since that is the only issue you have here, the folks at the Mosque can help the church get the proper permits. Problem solved! Unless the members of the church still wanted to protest the Mosque, then it would be a conflict of interest.
FYI: Muslims ARE Americans! Looking at these numbers, the percntage of Jews + Muslims doesn’t even come close to the % of non-religious in the USA (4% v. 37%). Doesn’t this mean that FOX news has to start reporting on the Agnostic-Christian values in the United States?
Chkn Fryd commented:
Chippy @ 46: … and Sharia law is not the Constitution. Thanks for taking over my troll duties; I am getting tired of this.
Ginger commented:
Hey chicken fingers then go get a better paying job.
I bet you that the majority of muslims in our country has over stayed their visa’s and are NOT….NOT….NOT Americans. This is why Barry is trying his darndest to make them Americans! He knows! It’s not just mexicans.
Chkn Fryd commented:
Rock @ 51: TJ was talking about slavery, man. How God’s rights were usurped by the government of the… …FOUNDERS?! NOOOOOOOOO!!!!! Talk about rights from God v. government?! God made people free and it took a civil war and civil rights acts for government to restore that freedom. Government is there to protect your rights or there is no need for a Constitution; we’ll just have a popular vote to decide what God is telling us is absolute moral truth for the week. All I’m saying is that you don’t need to remake government in order for you to do God’s will, and the Constitutional right you wish to quash is, in fact, your own. The GZM harms no Christian too busy doing God’s will to care. This probably describes most “Saints” and not most of us. So we better get busy folks; Christ is coming.
Chisum commented:
Chickenlips is babbling again.
He’s been hovering over the chicken fryer for too long at Kentucky Fried.
Isn’t it time for your shift to start, lipless?
Rose commented:
#39 chkn fryd
Thomas Jefferson did NOT fear for his country over them deciding to fight off bloody tyranny.
Thomas Jefferson fought the muslim terrorists.
They “dealt” with them as long as they were forced to ONLY by lack of a Navy – when they got a Navy, bare bones and inadequate, they fought by Jefferson’s order.
Frederick Douglass: Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did, and it never will. Find out just what people will submit to, and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue till they have resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they suppress.
We’ve had it. There is no more tolerance or endurance for these assaults against America.
Neither are we amused.
War is when it is time to fight to WIN – not to prove you are NICER than the BAD GUYS! WHO are you trying to prove we are nicer, TO!
That is already established – we HAVE the bombs and have not used them to our advantage.
THAT isn’t the BATTLE – there are substantive material goods and Civil Rights that are essential to healthy community living that MUST be DEFENDED EFFECTIVELY!
Marxist PC is not them.
War is NOT the time to decide it is ACCEPTABLE to sit still and die by 1,000,000 cuts, because it is NOT PC to defend ourselves.
This is NOT the time to try to defeat our enemies by lining the highways with our own crucified bodies.
You’ve misunderstood the Bible if you think that is our Call.
And furthermore, you have adhered to the Stalinist Agenda for the Destruction of America if you think we are called to passive defeat.
“#3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.”
THIS PLANK #3 IS NOT AMERICAN – it is JOSEPH STALIN’S PLAN TO EAT YOU ALIVE!
If you refuse to fight for Right – THAT is when you should fear God’s Wrath for your INJUSTICE!
Chkn Fryd commented:
Ginger @ 54: At least they are Mexi-cans and not Republi-can’ts. But thanks for dismissing any concerns I might have had that the border security and religious freedom issues might be tainted by racism. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!
Rock commented:
Reading anything printed by the huffungprick, is equivalent to playing cards with a card shark. Facts are of little use to that socialist rag. I have no need to grade myself, the fact that you somehow believe you can win converts here point to your own exaggerated view of self worth. At best you are a entertaining lefty, at worst you believe the lies you have been fed. You see I went through a education system that had not yet been infected by the socialist drones, and have been stationed in some of the most repressive nations on this planet, so trust me no way the socialist training cadre is changing my view of what I have seen. Your desperate attempts to enlighten non-believers is just that, desperate.
Ken commented:
this president has no idea of what americanism is; His friends are all dictators and murderers, (chavez, ahmawhattawhackjob), his number one enemy in in the entire world are the “unamerican” americans.
Oh, by the way, Chris Matthews actually said he felt a tinkle down his leg, not a tingle. Obama you lucky dog.
Ginger commented:
Got another argument! Racism????? Not me! You sure like to twist words to suit your argument, don’t ya? No mission to it!
Chkn Fryd commented:
Rose @ 57: Look Spartacus, I’m not saying that you shouldn’t fight. But the way fundamental freedoms work is that your powerful sword is equally effective as another’s shield. Soooo,
What you are about to see is real, the participants are all protected by the Constitution, but they have decided to forgo any mandate by popular vote and have their disputes settled here, in THE SHEEPLE’S COURT.
And I think Christ WAS all about being nicer than the other guy. I’m sure if he wanted to fight back, then the whole “forgiving us” thing for nailing him to a tree was sending the wrong message. If he loves me after that, then I’m pretty sure he loves all of us.
Paul52 commented:
Comments from #42… could not have said it better! Islamic hypocrisy at its best. Chkn Fryd… the poster child for the pro-choice zealots.
Rock commented:
Look using the Constitution to protect those who would destroy us, is not only foolish, it is dangerous, and any who participate in this charade are by association foolish and possibly traitors. Just what part of they want us destroyed do these folks not understand. Either get real about eliminating the enemy or become a moment in history.
Militant Conservative commented:
Christ died for your future sins. He does not blame you for acts you cannot and did not commit. He love us, bout the only truth outta your beak, You must accept him as your savior to truley be saved. Muzterds will kill you for having a bible and not believing as they do. Not very tollerant.
Since when do liberals ever care/like religion?
Liberals mad it a law that kids cannot pray over their food in the governement schools.
lastly, the thug unions are patriots at least. None of the unios will build the mosque. Try to build something in NY without the union labor.
Ain’t gonna happen. powder is dry.
Chkn Fryd commented:
Rock @ 59: “enlighten [] non-believers.” Yeah, I don’t mean to go all historically professorial on you, but I’m pretty sure you’re not using that right.
Ken @ 60: and those are your enemies too, “unAmerican Americans” like me.
Ginger @ 61: I bet you that the majority of muslims in our country has over stayed their visa’s and are NOT….NOT….NOT Americans. This is why Barry is trying his darndest to make them Americans! He knows! It’s not just mexicans. This is now how you speak to an equal with dignity and respect? You didn’t say “Mahmood” this and “Pedro” that; you singled out whole peoples for ill treatment. You said what you said. And though I don’t agree with it, I do respect it enough to recollect it accurately.
Howdy Chisum!
Ken commented:
The unions say they won’t build, but they will.
Ken commented:
I don’t associate with chickens.
Rock commented:
@ #66 Simple if that is what you need, we don’t believe you, you are seen as a teller of half truths, you speak with fork tongue. So glad you showed your Alinsky training a favorite fall back tactic when your argument is seen as false or weak.
Rock commented:
@ 66 Oh did I mention your elitist arrogance is showing.
Left Coast Conservative commented:
Anyone see the CNN interview Sunday am? Chourady (sp) was clear and demeaning to the interviewer (sorry – can’t remember his name). Anyone saying that Islam is a religion of peace only has to read the koran, observe history, observe who instigators are and observe the lack of protest at the acts. We, under Islam, are all guilty (read to find out what we are guilty of and let me know . . .) and therefore should be killed, with no regret or sorrow. It is our lot in life.
So burning a book is call for outrage but thousands chanting on a bridge and beating the bodies of dead Americans is a call for . . ? The silence on the part of the Muslim community is deafening.
Rhymes With Right commented:
It seems to be official — dissent against Islam is unpatriotic.
http://rhymeswithright.mu.nu/archives/305453.php
Ken commented:
Christianity is the true religion of peace. We don’t go half out of our freakin brains just because we’re widdow bit offended.
Mooslems just need to accept Christ and then they will saved. And happy. And not so bloodthirsty.
Sorry guys, there is no truth to the 72 virgins. You kill and die for satan, is that what you really want?
Chkn Fryd commented:
Rock @ 64: The Founders once stood where you are now. And they acted not out of self-preservation but out of self-determination, in other words, even in a fight to the death, there were things other than victory for which they fought. And while you would surrender what they have given us, they, at an almost unfathomable cost to themselves, enshrined a core set of values which would mold many peoples into a single nation. If from such struggles, such greatness comes, then to meet these stuggle I will go, and I hope you join me, for America. Fear not my friend; courageous vigilance, not preemptive terror, is the price of freedom. In order to be worth fighting for, to save our persons we cannot diminish the values we cherish as a people.
MC @ 65: Ever eat a meal in a public school: “Jesus Christ, for whatever I am about to receive, forgive the cook – he knows not what he does. Aaaaaa-men.” It wasn’t “grace,” it was “the last rights.”
Militant Conservative commented:
Yet you impugne Christs name and take it in vain. Yup your a class act. Just showing your true colors.
Chip Bennett commented:
@Chkn Fryd:
A diversionary argument, at best. American Muslims do not want for ample mosque space or locations. They are free to worship in all such locations, and to build more such places as they are needed.
None of that has anything to do with the Ground Zero Mosque, however.
Further, one may only determine what is worship within the confines of the law. Perhaps you would defend the stoning of women who engage in sex outside of marriage, or girls who dare expose their face in public, or who confess to being gang-raped? All such acts are not only condoned, but are actually carried out as Muslim Sharia law in Muslim countries.
Such acts, even carried out under the guise of freedom of religious expression, have absolutely no more place in civilized society than does a shrine to the murder of 3,000 innocents in the name of Islam built mere blocks from that act of religious terrorism.
Chkn Fryd commented:
Ken @ 68: Then what are you doing here?
Rock @ 69: …by the false and weak. I’m the only one here who believes in telling more than one side in a story with many sides. And calling me an Allinsky (sp?) socialist when you’re tired from thinking is straight out of the Teaplaybook.
Ken @ 73: What do you call blowing up Iraq because we were attacked by Saudis based out of Afghanistan? And what kind of Christians should they be? Now you’ve got the DOD acting as the friggn’ religous police. Trust me: God’s got wrath, he don’t need The Big Red One (but we do). Muslim officers in the military will be allowed to serve if they out for discharge three gay service members that they know about? Or will they have to become Protestants too? Great, then RCs like me will be surrounded by more of you Godless heathen. Wait. Did I say that out loud?
MC @ 75: Over and above all the things said here, do you really think JC, would foremost take issue with my use of his name? I’m betting the Prince of Peace might pimpslap the lot of us for missing the whole point of him walking among us. So he gets scourged because he loves us; and you get a free pass on all the hate here because you don’t cuss? Not likely.
Andreas K. commented:
Islam is un-American. It is the exact opposite of the American Dream.
“Fear not my friend; courageous vigilance, not preemptive terror, is the price of freedom.”
And the chicken takes the cake once again. Freedom. So for freedom the Americans have to accept a symbol of conquest right next to Ground Zero? A mosque is nothing else but a symbol of conquest. It’s the place where politics are made and where the “law” is dealt with. The imam is the most powerful man in a mohammedan society.
And this mosque will be used just like in Europe. The imam will spread hatred. He will rant about destroying America, about killing Jews, about butchering infidels. This is happening in pretty much every mosque in Europe. It WILL happen in this one too. It’s inevitable because islam is about murdering infidels. The koran orders “true believers” (aka “muslims”, since “muslim” means “true believer”) to kill infidels.
I wonder, would Barrack Obama call burning Mein Kampf un-American?
I guess he would, because Mein Kampf is on the same level as the koran.
As for the troops being endangered by this. Hello… you’re already in a warzone with a fascist enemy trying to kill you. Guess what’ll happen after it. You’ll face a fascist enemy trying to kill you. The difference will be trivial.
This is not about religious freedom. This is about mohammedan conquest.
Their minarets are their bayonets. Their domes are their helmets. Their mosques are their barracks. Or so Erdogan from Turkey said.
Just a few days mohammedans, all true believers, all good “muslims”, marched through Berlin screaming “death to the Jews” and doing the Hitler salute. In early 2009 thousands of mohammedans marched through dozens of European cities screaming “death to Israel” and “death to the Jews.”
And Obama wants these people to build a mosque there.
By the way chicken, where is the religious freedom under islamic law?
It doesn’t exist. That’s how it is. Yet the west needs to be tolerant towards a fascist ideology.
Well, how that worked out we’ve seen in the 1930s.
Rock commented:
Please, OK we have seen race baiting, religious freedom, misuse of a quote, reliance on the three pig story line of Huff- Puff-Blow, and now the Founders goals. Of course there is that little sticking point of history, The Barbary Wars. We have been at war with Muslims for a very long time. I can find little evidence there was a major effort to prevent the use of force against these barbarian thugs in those days, though I imagine there where some. The truth is sometime as a nation we have to make difficult decisions. Many of our lofty goals at times are stretched, but do not think that by manipulating these goals you can justify not defending ourselves against a ruthless enemy. Lastly I will not stand by and let a ruthless barbaric force gain a foot hold in this nation, without objection. In fact if the arguments you have tried to float here, had been used successfully prior to WW1 or WW2 this would be a very different nation, if that is your goal your arguments make sense for you, not me.
Ginger commented:
fried chicken… may I ask how much you get paid to blog day and night….week after week, and month after month? Do you not have another life? I am serious and not trying to be mean in tone. ok?
Ditto commented:
Why is it unAmerican to burn books? Our Bible is burned and shredded in the Middle East constantly. Whats good for the goose, is good for the camel.
I see nothing wrong with it, sorry I have no sympathy for the cave dwellers that are getting their towels in a wad..
Its UnAmerican to let these 3rd world morons take over our country. Its not pretty what they do, how they live, or how they act toward Americans. I live outside of Dearborn Michigan, and its ugly and getting uglier.
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If I had one, I would join the Church and burn it. With American made matches, and American pride!
Im sick of pansies and chickens always telling people what to do. Man up, even the women in this country are “manning up”, to fight a war we all know is coming, in our own back yard. Momma Grizzlies and all that…
My powder is dry, my shooting skills are wonderful, thanks to election of this DOTUS. Be ready, its coming, I have most definitely “woman’d up” and so have my daughters.
Oh and in case you wonder what DOTUS is… Dog of the United States. Ruff! We;ve never had an uglier dog in this country, and hes left dog crap everywhere that we have to clean up.
John Z commented:
It is not being racist. If a group of Christians wanted to build a Islamic Mosque at ground zero, we would tell them to go pound sand also.
Chkn Fryd commented:
Chip @ 76: It’s been a while since I diagramed sentences but since anyone who likes Gov. Palin obviously needs help in this area,…
A diversionary argument, at best. American Muslims do not want for ample mosque space or locations. They are free to worship in all such locations, and to build more such places as they are needed. No, it is both your core arguement and mine. By defining the boundaries of the law, you make law (e.g., “judicial activism”). And if they are free to do so here then it is either “sour grapes” on the part of Conservatives, as you seek to gain nothing but fomment religious separatism, or a case of hypocracy straight from Animal Farm, i. e., my religious freedoms are more equal than yours.
None of that has anything to do with the Ground Zero Mosque, however. Quit reading Conservative opinions from the Roberts Supreme Court; if you don’t stop that you’ll go blind. You can do better than this dicta.
Further, one may only determine what is worship within the confines of the law. Perhaps you would defend the stoning of women who engage in sex outside of marriage, or girls who dare expose their face in public, or who confess to being gang-raped? All such acts are not only condoned, but are actually carried out as Muslim Sharia law in Muslim countries. None of which is the law in the USA. But let’s get to the heart of your fears. Since the laws here are of a mandate from the people and not a manifestation of various interpretations of divine justice, secular standards enshirned in the Constitution “should” prevent the atrocities you described as a function of both the principle of separation of church and state and Constitutional protections trumping any popular mandate which may seek to institute sectarian standards. I understand that this is not an absolute guarantee of freedom, that’s why you have to work for it. Remember what it took to enshire God’s freedoms – a civil war.
Such acts, even carried out under the guise of freedom of religious expression, have absolutely no more place in civilized society than does a shrine to the murder of 3,000 innocents in the name of Islam built mere blocks from that act of religious terrorism. Amen to the first part. As for the second part, it is by governing our passions, such as those you just expressed, by Constitutional oversight in a vigilant republic, which allow us to keep from moving too far away, in any direction, from what the founders intended. Go back to your first paragraph where you say that freedom of religion by Muslims is unrestrained. Yet what is your point of the second part of this paragraph but to dispute that? You refer to the site as having relgious significance only to those who mean the country harm, a characterization which I vehemently reject. And yet until you cease reserving the same rights for yourself, THOSE RIGHTS ARE PROTECTED FOR ALL. Because if you reserve for yourself who is to be protected under such provisions, then anyone else is free to do the same to you. And nobody will be safe.
Chip, it’s been fun.
Militant Conservative commented:
chkn spit is a lil snot nosed not yet adult.
He’s a baiter troll and not worth debate.
As for the savior, I look forward to standing in judgement. If I were god, I wouldn’t let me in.
I use the enemys tactics against them. End does justify the means. Just the other day had a good throw down with an Obama supporter. I asked if she was a socialist? She said in your eyes I probably am. Next Q, Are you still poud you voted for a man that lied and misslead you to support him? A, Who are you? A patriot and we have established what you are. She called my comapny (it’s on the van) to complain. Nice try at alinsky tactics but my company is restrained by the constitution 1st and 14th amendment. the discussion was at a hot wings facility only two cars in the lot. She took a feeble stab at wimpy leftist crap. I’ll bitch slap her again when she comes back. I was polite but bold. she was vulgar and nasty like most Libs. All while packing my 9mm. Just too fun to debate mindless Obots.
P.S. Just this weekend my wife wanted me to stop using the F bomb. The enemy has no Idea who I am. i confront the ba$tards where I find them.powder is dry.
Taxpayer1234 commented:
Muslims on Qud burned all manner of “I-hate-Americans” effigies. Wouldn’t be surprised if there were a few burning crosses along with the burning Stars of David.
However, I am against burning ANY book of ANY kind. That’s very simply stooping to the haters’ level. The church should instead have a symposium on, say, whether Islam is peaceful as the Muslims claim. Invite some local imams to explain why such a peaceful religion insists on killing anyone who challenges it. Ask them to explain why their definition of “peace” is forced submission under threat of death. Etc. ….
Militant Conservative commented:
Naaa, use the tactics of your enemy. It frees you form the self imposed restrictions. The object is to win. Not be understood and accepted. This is why I am effective against the left. I take no prisoners and ask no quarter.
The enemy knows we are soft due to the self imposed restrictions. powder is dry.
Chkn Fryd commented:
Rock @ 79: We are not at war with Islam, just pirates and terrorists. And don’t go to hard on pirates. As you yourself pointed out, we used privateers as our Navy till we could get some frigates on line.
Or does this make the Pittsburgh Pirates and Tampa Bay Buccaneers terrorist organizations? Only to their fans, I would imagine.
John Z @ 82: Ah, but what if Muslims built a Christian shrine to the 9/11 fallen? And the money for this shrine, you know it’s coming from one of the owners of FOX news, right? Seriously.
And while we’re diagraming sentences -
Ditto @ 81: If I had one, I would join the Church and burn it. []
Yeah. We all know what you meant.
Chkn Fryd commented:
MC: If you lower yourself to the level of your enemy then all you stand to gain is victory at the cost of yourself; though you and I disagree about many things, I must tell you, that price is too high for you to pay. You will be the last one standing, standing for nothing. The Founders found a better way, and we can’t lose sight of that.
Take heart. Wit is dry.
Chkn Fryd commented:
MC: aaaaand, even if you wouldn’t let yourself through the pearly gates, your wife sounds like someone who deserves the benefit of the doubt. Try disarming your friggin arsenal for her. For what you get in return, it’s a he!! of a deal.
Militant Conservative commented:
Nope, I serve my country not myself. this country is blessed by the maker and shall not fall to the likes of the current occupants of the WH. I do not hate. I defend with impunity. I also speed with impunity but that is another matter. PC has caused too many people to be timid and shrinking. when you are bold and decisive many cannot understand the reson or thoughts. This is bigger than self, some must defend at all cost the light of liberty. I serve the light, I know you do not understand. Few do unless you are a travelling man. powder is dry.
burt commented:
What is the problem? I thought Islam was the religion of peace.
Joanne commented:
The point is this – muslims burn a Bible – noboby threatens anyone’s life or does a thing; a Christian burns a Koran – muslims half way around the world and in America are threatening the lives of non-muslims. Sorry, but muslims in this world should not be able to control what Americans do because of their threats to non-muslims.
General Petraeus should answer back that any American or coalition troops targeted for retaliation of the burning of a Koran in America will be strung up or shot on sight. Since when should muslims in Afghanistan control the rights of people in the U.S.
StrangernFiction commented:
Just a PC General who is utterly clueless as to the true scale of the forces that are out to destroy this country and a president who is one of the bad guys, giving us patriots all the more reason to support what they tell us is a bad idea.
BURN. BABY. BURN.
Joanne commented:
“And to Christians’ credit (as opposed to others) we are DENOUNCING this act. I would NEVER EVER want a Bible burned under ANY circumstances, anywhere, anytime by ANYONE. Even those who do not accept it.” by #26
Yah, but would you threaten the lives of non-muslims because someone burned a Bible. I don’t care if muslims burn the Bible, because my God is all powerful and vengeance is His alone. If God feels compelled to punish anyone for burning the Bible – so be it; I’m not going to commit murder in the name of Christ.
fgdfgfd commented:
He if we are un-American for burning Korans do we not have to pay taxes anymore?
fgdfgfd commented:
Burn Korans in front of the White House.
ivehadit commented:
“Rev.” Jones will have the blood of our soldiers on his hands as far as I am concerned. This is a provocative act JUST AS the building of a mosque at Ground Zero is provocative.
Grow up, Mr. Jones. Just because you CAN does not mean you SHOULD. DO NOT do this. You are harming America and Americans.
I hope there will be loads of Christian protestors at Mr. Jones’ “church” on Sat. And I will say again, Christians ARE DENOUNCING this as no act of honor or courage but one of smallness and provocation/MAJOR AGGRESSION, imho.
America is not with you and I challenge you to honor General Petraeus.
By the way, I think you, sir, are a liberal in sheep’s clothing, for you are tremendously helping the liberal attack on conservatives and Christians with this provocative action.
Joanne commented:
ivehadit – the burning of the Koran isn’t the point – anything non-muslims do that muslims decide they do not like are going to cause them to threaten non-muslims with death. If you haven’t noticed liberals have been attacking conservatives and Christians for years, and if they can’t – they make crap up, so does it really matter if they use this against Christians.
It is interesting you refer to the burning of the Koran to be an act of provocation…..that pretty much says it all. Do as muslims tell you or you will face their wrath in the form of killing non-muslims. Appeasement does not weaken the enemy, but strengthens them. Muslims only respect one thing and that is strength; weakness to them is an aphrodisiac and makes them want more.
jorgen commented:
Surely 5 out of 6 must now believe that Obama is a Muslim.
Militant Conservative commented:
Hope the book store is not sold out of that fake religion book. i need some TP. powder is dry.
Michael commented:
The burning of a book in Florida by a private citizen is going to put American soldiers at risk? Uh, that sounds absurd coming from the General. Maybe it’s because we’re at war and are fighting against the terrorists in Afghanistan….at least that’s what we’re supposed to be doing. Perhaps we should just all lay down arms and submit to the Islamists, and experience sharia law, honor killings, genital mutilation, stonings, slayings of gays – the tolerant lifestyle embraced by the liberals. How many heads do they need to see rolling in the streets to resist the killing?
Sen. Fuller Bull - D commented:
The solution to the problem is simple: just say, while setting the book on fire, that it is a work of performance art.
If people can deface Christianity in the name of art, people can do it to all the others, right?
I would be especially interested to hear from all of those Freedom from Religion folks who put all those signs about there being no God on the buses during Christian holidays but cannot find the time to put a sign on the bus about there being no Allah during Ramadan.
Catherine commented:
WHO says that is un-American to destroy holy books?
what about those 10 doctors killed just last Month and about the 3 Christians killed by paki mussis who went to help because of the flood covered up by?
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE5441JH20090505
U.S. military says Afghan bibles have been destroyed
KABUL
Tue May 5, 2009
Reuters) – Bibles in Afghan languages sent to a U.S. soldier at a base in Afghanistan were confiscated and destroyed to ensure that troops did not breach regulations which forbid proselytizing, a military spokeswoman said
SO it is not unAmerican to destroy Holy Books
oldguy commented:
Do all of you now understand why we can’t seem to win these wars?
Elly commented:
Dear President can’t have it both ways. I expect him to decree that burning the Holy Bible is un-american. I also expect him to decree that using said desecrated Bible as an art form (while disrespecting Jesus’ holy name) is also un-american.
Hmmm.. Chkn Fryd – why do you think he’s quiet on this?
Thomas Jefferson and John Adams responded to the kidnapping and ransoming of our trade ships and crews, by building our US Navy.
They are quoted as inquiring “concerning the ground of the pretensions to make war upon nations who had done them no injury”, to which Tripoli’s embassador responded
“It was written in their Koran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every muslim who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise.”
John Quincy Adams is on record for saying:
“Between these two religions, thus contrasted in their characters, a war of twelve hundred years has already raged. The war is yet flagrant…While the merciless and dissolute dogmas of the false prophet shall furnish motives to human action, there can never be peace upon the earth, and good will towards men.”
So you see, sir chicken, that this “idea” that somehow the west, the US, the non-muslim world, is somehow at war with Islam was proposed years and years ago – by the followers of Islam themselves – and understood by the wise founders of this country.
We may wish it weren’t so, and there most likely are individuals on both sides that feel the same way – however – when push comes to shove (and the Koran is followed to the T) – islam is at war and always has been with us.
bg commented:
++
a message from Ayatollah Khomeini to the “peace crowd”:
“Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those [who say this] are witless. Islam says: Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Does this mean that Muslims should sit back until they are devoured by [the unbelievers]? Islam says: Kill them, put them to the sword and scatter [their armies]…. Islam says: Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword! The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for the Holy Warriors! There are hundreds of other [Qur’anic] psalms and Hadiths [sayings of the Prophet] urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all this mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim.”
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Donna commented:
“victory mosque?” why would muslims celebrate the deaths of their brothers and sisters, they too mourned on the day of the attacks for there were muslim victims killed that trajic day.
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