Stunner… Obama Family Attends Church – Disregards Church Rules
Posted by Jim Hoft on Monday, September 20, 2010, 5:00 AM
Church rules?… What church rules?
The Obama Family attended church for the first time on Sunday to dispel those Muslim rumors.
The New York Daily News reported:
President Obama attended church on Sunday for the first time since April as an increasing number of Americans believe – falsely – that he is Muslim, not Christian.
The entire First Family walked from the White House across Lafayette Square Park to St. John’s Episcopal Church, the quaint house of worship informally known as the Church of the Presidents.
The Obamas sat a few rows back from the altar among about 40 worshipers.
The President and First Lady Michelle Obama, along with their daughters, went up for Communion.
Obama last attended church in Washington on Easter Sunday, April 4.
Of course, the fact that the whole family received Communion shows complete disregard for the Anglican Church rules.
Reader Gini writes:
I’m an Anglican and am enraged Barack Obama and his family received without being confirmed. This is completely against church rules.
Since when did rules mean anything to this bunch in Washington?
UPDATE: Ben Johnson added this on the DC church in the comments:
The Obamas did not violate church discipline, because the church in question is so lax about imposing it. The website for St. John Episcopal Church in Lafayette Park states, “St. John’s welcomes all to receive Holy Communion with us.” Even at the denominational level, The Episcopal Church and the Anglican communion historically does not require confirmation to receive the Eucharist, welcoming instead “all baptized Christians.”
Obama was reportedly baptized by oogady-boogady Reverend Wright at the Trinity UCC.
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Carmen commented:
Rules are for believers & commoners. This family of contemptuous fools have no regard for anything.
Khan Krum commented:
This has got to be connected with his omission of “endowed by our Creator” in a recent speech about the Declaration of Independence to a Hispanic group. Allama Obama cannot generate positive support so he always has to go back to negative support created by reactionism. I think the plan was to leave out a reference to God in a high-profile speech to bait critics and then show up in church the following Sunday to try to make them look like crazy reactionaries.
I know that this sounds crazy but what else does our Community Organizer-in-Chief have to work with? This is a very common tactic of the Left. I don’t know what to call it, “bait and switch” or “priming the pump”.
daryl commented:
In the pics of the family walking to church I didn’t see any prayer rugs, but then I didn’t see any Bibles either.
As for their taking communion, they were all hungry because they hadn’t had time for their usual continental breakfast before church……. and thought since church doctrine says feed the hungry………….. what could the good reverand say?
Sean Sorrentino commented:
He wants to “Altar” the Muslim myth? Is this some editor’s idea of a pun?
mrt commented:
Obama: “Hey, we were hungry. We missed breakfast for this and those little cookies really hit the spot.”
datechguy commented:
I don’t know how it is in the Anglican church so there might be a waver allowed via the bishop.
But it is all about the photo op and in fairness it is highly unlikely that the president knows the rules of Anglicanism.
D-B commented:
“President Obama attended church on Sunday for the first time since April as an increasing number of Americans believe – falsely – that he is Muslim, not Christian.”
Someone explain why they say “falsely” every time they make that statement? Has any one seen any proof what his religion is sine he went to school listed a a muslim student?
Shouldn’t it be alleged?
Kerry commented:
As the church was not the Church founded by Christ Himself, the communion was not a Consecrated Host, nor the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Christ, and so was also just more symbolism for Pres. Malignant Noisome Pestilence.
Kerry commented:
Oh, and “IHS”.
KR commented:
Like everything with Obama, his actions are politically motivated.
“…whoever eats the bread and drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord.”
1Cor. 11:27
Auntie Em commented:
The Obamas can’t do anything right.
LimolibsStink commented:
0bama:
Thanks for the cookies. They hit the spot.
No! I cannot make a donation. Screw the rules! I am just practicing taqiyya you stinking infidels.
My limousine is running and I have an important meeting with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. He says he has seven American Soldiers as hostages and wants to deal. That is the kind of guy I can admire. Good day.
neomom commented:
I find it sad that the man cannot do anything without an ulterior motive. Even church is a fraudulent activity put under the guise of making a point. Even then he cannot obey the rules of the institution he is trying to prove he has allegiance to.
Khan Krum commented:
There is a clear lithmus test to test the veracity of this kind of political stunt, namely if the Islamic world issues a fatwa against their Allama Obama for doing such a thing then we can believe that is sincere about it. As far as Muslims are concerned he is a Muslim because he was born a Muslim through his father (nevermind all the other evidence that strongly suggests that he has been an adherent of Islam, e.g., he was registered as a Muslim at school, etc.). Such an act of apostacy would call for a fatwa against him. Until we see one, we can assume that this is taqiyya, his usual cloak of covering up his true intentions (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiyya).
squeaky commented:
“The President and First Lady Michelle Obama, along with their daughters, went up for Communion.” and the walls of the church didn’t collapse? he should’ve called bill for that big bible he carried for the benefit of the press. and aren’t rules just for the little folk anyways
much as everything else that’s being peddled as
being “good” for us. all the good qualities that make a person are being sidelined in favor of hypocrisy.
tarpon commented:
Rules for thee … me I’m special and I needed a photo-op and some props. How would it look if my real main man, the Rev Wright were the one doing the speaking. So you gotta do what you gotta do, for the folks.
Ben Johnson commented:
The Obamas did not violate church discipline, because the church in question is so lax about imposing it. The website for St. John Episcopal Church in Lafayette Park states, “St. John’s welcomes all to receive Holy Communion with us.” Even at the denominational level, The Episcopal Church and the Anglican communion historically does not require confirmation to receive the Eucharist, welcoming instead “all baptized Christians.”
However, it seems that Barack Obama may have never baptized.
The Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, and Lutheran Churches (at least LCMS and WELS) retain the historical standard that all communicants must be confirmed members in good standing (at least on paper).
Khan Krum commented:
I will guarantee you that if this happened at an Orthodox church he and the family would have been turned away at the chalice. The Episcopalians have become a “make it up as you go along” denomination, unfortunately. Relativism is their only rule, you know, “Coexist” and all that feel good stuff.
Ben Johnson commented:
Err, never *been* baptized. At best, it’s a murky area.
His daughters, of course, were baptized by the good Rev. Wright. And his atheist mother was baptized posthumously by the Latter Day Saints.
aro5o75 commented:
Rules?…..
…Bacrock Obowma makes them up as he goes along.
Liz commented:
Woah, did you see Andrew Breitbart part the sea of seething, hate-filled Obama Union people using only courage and the facts? They had no idea why they were there except maybe to get a paycheck. Tools. Dangerous tools. As wild as he is, you gotta love Breitbart.
Just A Grunt commented:
This says more about the church then it does the Obama’s. I used to be Episcopalian but the church left me years ago. There is an ongoing battle within the Anglican community as to the status of the Episcopal sect and whether they have a place in the larger Anglican community.
Episcopalians have over the years become more a social/communal kumbaya group where anything goes. That is what made me leave the church. I simply could not grow up in a religion that one day turned around and said all of that stuff we taught you and embued into your character was just foolish, which is what it seemed to be saying to me.
Religions have rules and for people who gripe about this religion or that one I wish to remind you, with the exception of one religion, you are free to come or go as you please. I admire any religion which sticks to it’s rules as often times that is the only constant we have in our lives. While I could never be Catholic, even though the Episcopal church I grew up in was very similar, I admire them for their consistency on issues.
Anyway this reflects more on the church then the Obama’s in my opinion.
Sasja commented:
Never heard of a posthumous Baptism. Once you’re dead, what’s the point? It’s too late. And after being several years dead? Is this to make the families feel better?
KR commented:
Different churches may have different rules about Communion and other issues, but obviously the only real issue is what God thinks.
Nothing gets past God unnoticed. Not our thoughts or motivations. A time will come when everything will be brought to light and rightly judged.
“God can not be mocked. What a man sows, he will reap.”
Stanley commented:
“The Obamas sat a few rows back from the altar among about 40 worshipers.”
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The intentional omission of God when Obama was speaking to the Mexican community about their individual rights in our society, one might wonder who has to sit at the back of the church, spiritually speaking? What is clear is we have a group of minds in Washington, who are openly saying they will determine our rights now and not God and Parity is dead and stinking.
Hedgehog commented:
Did he make them cover all images of Christ like he did at Georgetown?
Militant Conservative commented:
AARP NOTUS. Affirmative Action Racist President Not Of The United States.
Purely a photo op for mass public consumption via LSM.
WannabeAnglican commented:
Communion discipline in the Episcopal Church is something of a joke. . . .
But then so is the Episcopal Church. The perfect church for the Obamas.
No Man commented:
The Wanker-in-Choke would not have taken Communion (unless from a lesbian bishop with a Russian accent!) a few weeks ago. Ramadan: he was prohibited from eating while the sun shone.
Joe Williams commented:
No matter what church doors this heathern and his family walk through, they cpntinue to show disrespect fot Christians and THEIR GOD.He shows it every day he opens his eyes.He might be a citizen by birth and a christian by word of mouth but by his actions he clearly shows, if it came down to American Christians against the worlds muslims, our president would be a traitior that would pass Judas in scope.And this traitor doesnt want your silver,he is doing it because he had a dream that turned into a nightmare for America!
Bill Fabrizio commented:
This guy’s in a free fall on all issues. He is so out of touch that he doesn’t recognize that attending church as a political convenience, after two years of almost never attending church, only emphasizes his non-Christianity and inconsistent behavior to the voter.
Episcopalian commented:
As an Episcopalian, I believe that the President’s actually correct in this case. Progressive rules outweigh church practice, specifically the Leftist tenant of:
“What’s yours is mine, particularly when I control the state and their guns.”
Good thing the Priest quickly handed over the bread and wine. We wouldn’t want a Chicago Motivational Experience in the cathedral, now would we?
Joe commented:
Obama et al chose a good church to attend. The Episcopal church has become, instead, The Church of Relativism and more or less ignores the presence of sin, anywhere, anytime. I doubt if Obama knows this, though, so have to wonder at the very audacity of actually going up to the altar and taking communion. While the Episcopal church, itself, might put all of this aside, one has to wonder if God is so indifferent about the way His Word is misused.
PamelaofthePoconos commented:
Hopefully they heard better than a ‘goddam Amerika’ sermon this time.
jorgen commented:
Amazing! Is the first muslim president considering becoming an apostate?
Carbon Monoxide commented:
“…whoever eats the bread and drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord.”
1Cor. 11:27
And how can you sin against the body and blood of the Lord unless it IS the body and blood of the Lord?
Seriously commented:
Do you think the special guest speaker is exactly why they went to that church on that day?
http://www.stjohns-dc.org/article.php?id=41
Prospects for the Two-State Solution the Middle East, Part I. Speaker: Ziad Asali, M.D., Founder and President, American Task Force on Palestine
toyboat commented:
You may wonder why someone who, like me, is French, gay or both and who lives in Brussels would wind up an Episcopalian, but it’s true. I am a smells-and-bells Episcopalian, so I know more than a little bit about Episcopal canon law. And according to Canon 17, Section 7, the only requirement to receive communion is that the communicant has been baptized.
So, Jim, have a nice big fat helping of Sadly, No!
Again.
ProLifer commented:
I’m convinced.
scituate_tgr commented:
Militant Conservative: Purely a photo op for mass public consumption via LSM.
I agree. One way to prove it would be to ask BHO for a summary of the sermon.
Gini commented:
toyboat
September 20th, 2010 | 8:38 am | #43
If so, then why did I have to go through classes for months prior to Confirmation? And why was I NOT allowed to receive before I was confirmed.
This makes Confirmation totally meaningless.
The Episcopal church now is “come as you are and stay as you are”. No beliefs, no standards, no nothing.
Joanne commented:
This stuff I’m reading here is why people refrain from becoming Christians. The rules of man and not of God are not recognized by God. Sure, knock Obama for this lie, but knocking a person for taking communion and not following the ‘rules’. Whatever. Like the Anglican Church knows what it is doing these days anyhow with homosexual and female ministers.
Kerry – #8 – WTH!
Valerie commented:
Ehhh, this is a positive development. Somebody at the WH showed enough competence to find a church without the usual rules for him to attend.
It’s been a while since there’s been any evidence that anybody in the White House circle was aware that any rules on any subject exist.
TimWB commented:
Gini,
If you don’t like the Episcopals, become Catholic.
The issue is “were the Obamas operating within church tenets when they accepted communion?”
According to the read of the Episcolpal canon law, the answer seems to be “yes.”
Unless you can find something different in the rules, whining doesn’t change that.
TimWB commented:
Oh and #8, #24, #30, and #48?
If you don’t like Episcopalians or other Protestants, just say so. You don’t need an excuse to loathe your fellow Christian. Just do it. The Wahabbists would be proud of you!
actor212 commented:
Idiot.
“The Church of Presidents”. Are you suggesting a) that every President of the United States has been either Anglican or Episcopalian and b) therefore EVERY PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES who has attended that church AND taken Communion has committed a mortal sin?
Including Ronald Reagan and George W Bush?????
Seriously, Jimbo, there are any number of enemas that will help you relieve your constipation and have a better outlook on life.
ditto commented:
Once again we get the people that “want” to belong to a church and “want” to be Christian, but cant accept the rules and obligations that go along with it.
Nothing can be worse than pretending to be a Christian, objecting to the “silly” rules of a church and then pretending to be ashamed that this is why some people dont want to be Christian.
They join a church, dont like what is preached, instead of finding a church that might fit their mindset, they demand the church change. They have been successful in some instances, like the church that Zero went to, and that is exactly why he went there.
He went there for a photo op, nothing more, nothing less. In Zero’s mind, he is the Almighty, the Messiah. And the people know this, he is fooling no one. Especially our Lord and Savior.
burt commented:
I am sure Obama doesn’t know it is the Anglican church, or maybe he doesn’t know what Anglican means. He hates all this English.
burt commented:
Sorry, my boo boo. Should be, “all things English”.
Oldpuppymax commented:
Does ANYONE actually believe this “church” and pastor were not thoroughly checked out and certified properly leftist prior to Hussein walking through the door???
Jose Rivera commented:
Auntie Em, (from your earlier comment)
You are correct, they don’t seem to do anything right for the American People. Tell your friend Barry O to get out of our way and stop the lies and childish play acting. Tyranny is not something the lord encouraged. Barry is Tyranny.
Moright commented:
This is ridiculous, people. “All baptized Christians” are indeed welcome to take communion in the Episcopal church. We can only pray that partaking in the Eucharist effects a positive change in the President.
I personally don’t care if he and his family go to church. I do care that he only goes for political spectacle. Whatever: I see November.
Mermaz commented:
I am an ordained Presbyterian Elder who attends Catholic Mass every Sunday. I go up for a blessing not the Eucharist because I respect that they would not appreciate my taking the host.
vsatt commented:
Jim, are you basing the accusation that Obama did not follow the rules of that church on the comments of a reader? Did you follow-up with this reader and try to verify what she said was her experience or investigate on your own what the church’s “rules” are in regards to communion. While you did update your post with another reader’s comment that Obama followed the rules (again with no apparent verification of those rules on your part), you did not update your headline and I find that very misleading.
My biggest concern, though, in all of this is that you seem to be getting your information from commenters and then posting it as fact. For all you know “Gini” could be an Obama plant who was posting false information in an effort to embarrass those who took the bait. Did you not learn anything from Rush last week?
aprilnovember811 commented:
I’m a Roman Catholic, and I’m disgusted by this lying, Taqiyya practicing Muslim. He is a Stealth Jihadist. He is tied to the Weather Underground, and Muslim Brotherhood. He is DEMONIC, and a psychopath. Why is Congress, the Supreme Court, Military letting him victimize us. I HOPE SOMEONE GETS HIM!
JefferyCampbell commented:
I’m flabbergasted at the level to which some commenters have sunk. It’s clear you loathe the President and his family, but to attack them for attending church is pretty much beyond the pale.
kato commented:
The “quaint” church of the presidents must be pretty accomodating to entertain the likes of the Adolescent Narcissist and his wife, the Congential Liar, plus the Compassionate Dope, and now the Jivemaster. Pretty accomodating, or pretty phony.
kato commented:
I wonder if the pastor is telling Jivemaster, “I hope we see you here more often, Mr. President, and not only when you need a photo op.”
Warson commented:
Much ado about nothing. Episcopal Church= invalid orders = it was only bread.
Andreas K. commented:
I wouldn’t know about Communion rules, but I know that just going to church is no proof that he’s not a muselmaniac.
In Germany, for example mohammedans are often invited to take part in Christian events like this, so that the leaders of the Church and all the liberals can bask in the media spotlight over how tolerant and open and inter-religious-dialogue-y they all are. Basically? Photo-op.
The case here sounds like another not so well planned and executed Obama-rama-ding-dong photo-op.
aprilnovember811 commented:
Jeffrey,
Wake up. The man is a Muslim. He is lying to you, and has been since before the election. You are going to have to find out the hard way apparently. You’ve been conned.
How Taqiyya Alters Islam’s Rules of War
Defeating Jihadist Terrorism
by Raymond Ibrahim
Middle East Quarterly
http://www.meforum.org/2538/taqiyyaaislam-rules-of-war
How do you think he got into office? He wasn’t born here. Right before election is the first time he’s been to a real Christian Church? You’re very gullible.
StrangernFiction commented:
“President Obama attended church on Sunday for the first time since April as an increasing number of Americans believe – FALSELY – that he is Muslim, not Christian.”
::::::shaking head in utter disbelief::::::
aprilnovember811 commented:
Watching this guy, is like watching Ted Bundy lure women to his car with the phony cast he used to use. They both have the same mental illness. He’s victimizing America the same way a serial killer taunts his victims before he kills them. This guy is pure evil! I’m waiting for the hand of God to reach down, and sucker punch him.
Joanne commented:
ditto – “Once again we get the people that “want” to belong to a church and “want” to be Christian, but cant accept the rules and obligations that go along with it.
Nothing can be worse than pretending to be a Christian, objecting to the “silly” rules of a church and then pretending to be ashamed that this is why some people dont want to be Christian.”
Are you listening to yourself. Whose rules and regulations are you talking about? Man’s rules and obligations? – if I remember correctly, this is why Christ had a problem with the Jews who followed the rules of man and not of God. The only obligations I have as a Christian is to obey God’s commandments, laws, and statues. As for me, I don’t want to belong to a Church because most aren’t interested in the truth or God’s word.
Some people are turned off Christianity because man imposes rules not of God. I bet there are very few people who take communion these days that are without sin and have not asked for forgiveness with a true heart.
Joanne commented:
….commandments, laws, and ‘statutes’….
Alex commented:
Someone needs to keep this aprilNovember away from a) small, vulnerable children, and b) the pharmaceutical locker, and c) firearms.
I’m a Roman Catholic, and I’m disgusted by this lying, Taqiyya practicing Muslim. He is a Stealth Jihadist. He is tied to the Weather Underground, and Muslim Brotherhood. He is DEMONIC, and a psychopath. Why is Congress, the Supreme Court, Military letting him victimize us. I HOPE SOMEONE GETS HIM!
Joanne commented:
aprilnovember811 – you are so funny and filled with vim and vinegar.
The truly vulgar part of Obama’s actions are, not that he followed or didn’t follow church protocol, but that he has the audacity to attend a church for the purpose to cause voters to refute the fact that he is a muslim. As a muslim and socialist, the means justify the ends to Obama, so expecting anything else from him would be foolhardy. Obama is a liar, and he will do whatever it takes to achieve his goals….and when he is done, he will merrily walk away.
Ralapaha commented:
According to Canon 17, Section 7, of the Episcopacy, the only requirement to receive communion is that the communicant has been baptized.
aprilnovember811 commented:
That’s right Alex. I do hope someone get’s him. Don’t make it out to be anymore than what I said. If you want me to sit here and play nice with this man who is victimizing this nation, you’re the one who needs help.
He’s darn lucky we don’t take George Washington’s route. So stop with the phony, holier than thou crap, because that’s what it is.
aprilnovember811 commented:
What we know for sure that makes aka Obama ineligible
20.09.2010
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/feedback/20-09-2010/114989-obama_birth_mystery-0/
This is how Mr. Obama/Soetoro or whatever his name is, got into office.
Taqiyya
http://www.meforum.org/2538/taqiyya-islam-rules-of-war
aprilnovember811 commented:
Colin Powell admits he has illegal aliens working for him.
http://www.hapblog.com/
Sarcastro commented:
Do you guys ever get tired of being wrong all the time?
Love the update: “We’re completely and totally wrong… but there’s a black man in the White House!!!!”
Pure class.
salvage commented:
Ha! Ha! Obama didn’t eat the magic cookie the right way now the angry sky god is even angrier!
“oogady-boogady Reverend Wright”
Nope, no racism there.
Having a Negro President has really busted up your already broken brain hasn’t it?
SicSemperTyrannus commented:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_communion
I’m not sure, but I think the ECUSA communion is open to all baptized Christians. Most Protestant denominations practice open communion.
In other words, a tempest in a teapot.
Do I think the Obama family is sincere? I doubt it, but only God knows what is in the heart of a man.
Peggy commented:
Just don’t even try this in a Roman Catholic Church, buddy.
Protestant churches do not view communion as REALLY the Body of Christ as we Catholics do. Anglican belief is squishy enough to let in some one like O and his family. The poor girls.
PamFl commented:
It was a symbolic photo-op, politically calculated for effect, as is everything he does.
The man-made dogma and rituals of the church are not the issue. Neither is the number of Sundays one attends church in a year. Living the faith in in heart, mind and deed is the issue.
Buffalobob commented:
Actually he was obeying the rules. The rules of rev Wright that states if a white man is giving something away free, take it.
JefferyCampbell commented:
Looks like it only got worse while I was away. Now several of you are spouting “I hope someone gets him.”
That sounds a lot like a threat to me and probably to others. I’ll assume you don’t mean that and are simply acting out like as an ill-mannered child would when his toys are taken.
Why are you all so angry? If anything, President Obama has turned out to be ineffectual at best. I don’t know what you’ll think he’ll do to you. I don’t see any gays coming to take your guns and husbands!
And, @AprilNovember. I am many things, but gullible is not one of them. How it is that you all here have decided you know exactly what’s happening? Reading the comments is deeply frightening and would be hilarious if not for the angry venom and talk of murder.
Alex commented:
Obama was reportedly baptized by oogady-boogady Reverend Wright at the Trinity UCC
So, even if, technically speaking, his taking communion conformed with Church rules 100%, and your original post was 100% bullcrap, Obama nonetheless remains an uppity Negro. Unless you’re a lunatic like AprilNovember, in which case he is a Kenyan Mohammedian raping all the white wimmens.
Nice site you have here.
Joanne commented:
In defence of aprilnovember811 – Obama is NOT the President of the U.S. Obama is not eligible according to the Constitution, which makes him a usurper, a man committing treason, who has the codes to the U.S. nuclear arsenal; therefore, his punishment will be death according to U.S. laws.
Sorry, but any idiot who hasn’t figured this out yet, is living in lah, lah land – get ready to be burned.
TimWB commented:
Pam FL: Yes. Yes. Amen.
Joanne: Is there a website you prefer so i can get an understanding about Obama’s legitimacy? I just do not understand how the Supreme Court, Congress, the Clintons, both political parties, and John McCain all missed exploiting the illegitimacy.
Olivia commented:
Alex
September 20th, 2010 | 1:17 pm | #85
Isn’t the term oogady-boogady used to infer something nefarious or scary? And if you mean oogedy-boogedy, actually it’s used to refer to Jim and Tammy Faye lol. I’ve never heard of it equated to being racist. Although it does say quite a bit about you
and salvage
September 20th, 2010 | 11:26 am | #79
and Sarcastro
September 20th, 2010 | 11:22 am | #78
for assuming it is and alledging that people here are racist. My experience – they certainly are not.
And who are the “others” that supposedly said they hoped someone would “get” Obama?
“aprilnovember811″ did alone. I have no idea who that person is and certainly don’t condone whatever it is they’re getting at.
I personally think there are alot of plants on this site. Alot of trolls that are making their daily buck posting up all the forums they feel threatened by.
Perhaps Jim should post some content guidelines for people to abide by.
Joanne commented:
TimWB – there are many websites, but with all the people who can comprehend how Obama is not eligible, not one thing thus far has been effective in bringing the truth to light, which leads me to believe a higher power has His hand in the matter. I would just check out links – many websites have information – I have no preference – I check them all. I would start with the U.S. Constitution and the Law of Nations. It is pretty clear with only a simple miind and minimal level of common sense that Obama is not a natural born citizen, possessing one American citizen and one British citizen parent at the time of his birth. Presidents of the U.S. cannot possess dual citizenship; both parents must be citizens. People often do not speak up because of fear and intimidation, and a bullet to the back of the head usually has a great impact too.
Rhonda commented:
What’s wrong with the nice Christian family walking to church? None have a Bible! His marketing people might want to get on that right away.
aro5o75 commented:
Alex
September 20th, 2010 | 10:41 am | #71
Someone needs to keep this aprilNovember away from a) small, vulnerable children, and b) the pharmaceutical locker, and c) firearms.
I’m a Roman Catholic, and I’m disgusted by this lying, Taqiyya practicing Muslim. He is a Stealth Jihadist. He is tied to the Weather Underground, and Muslim Brotherhood. He is DEMONIC, and a psychopath. Why is Congress, the Supreme Court, Military letting him victimize us. I HOPE SOMEONE GETS HIM!
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OK Alex, so aprilnovember811 got a little carried away. Bacrock Obowma is NOT stealth.
AuntieMadder commented:
Last night, a commenter by the name of charlotte shared this with us in yesterday’s post about the Oilbamas church visit.
ST. JOHN’S ADULT FORUM
Prospects for the Two-State Solution in the Middle East
10:00 a.m. in the Parish House Dining Room
September 19, Part I
Dr. Ziad J. Asali, a retired physician with a long history of activism in Palestinian and Arab-American organizations, is the President and Founder of the American Task Force on Palestine (ATFP). ATFP opposes acts of violence against civilians and advocates a negotiated agreement in the Middle East that provides for two states — Israel and Palestine — living side by side in peace and security.http://campaign.r20.constantcontact.com/render?llr=d8zaiodab&v=001mgvimUtTidNQ_OjUbYFRRaB_bbj_SzfQurzW01WrJO2oZrpu_iPdRJG7HOqCUtgJWLHzHXtry6bfHeq8-WiSsXHVoE5Z63AHcYMWndTy6qybnxAUor7ID-RyOmrzmwlmI3CR3On1Ljw%3D
Notice that this link is to a St John’s broadcast e-mail page. It is not linked to from their web site, at least not from a link that I could find.
This was after I spent hours researching to determine if St. John’s Church Lafayette Square and Luke 16:1-13 were the draw or if it was just a photo-op. Although I was wrong on both counts because Dr. Ziad J. Asali was the primary draw, I still discovered quite a bit about St John’s Church Lafayette Square. At the very least, I now know why St. John’s Church Lafayette Square hosted the Prospects for the Two-State Solution in the Middle East forum. Progressives love Islam, Muslims and “Palestinians” just as much as they hate Judaism, Jews and Israel.
St John’s Church Lafayette Square is no stranger to Progressivism.
St. John’s is a member of WIN, a faith-based grassroots political organization dedicated to improving the life of all residents of the District of Columbia. Founded in 1996, WIN is multi-faith, multi-racial and non-partisan. It has nearly fifty church, synagogue, union, and public school members, representing 25,000 families in every section of the city.
WIN is affiliated with the Industrial Areas Foundation (IAF), the oldest and largest community organizing network in the United States. with more than 60 faith-based community organizations across the nation, including BUILD in Baltimore, MD and AIM in Montgomery County, MD. http://www.stjohns-dc.org/article.php?id=22
Washington Interfaith Network
an affiliate of the Industrial Areas Foundation
Overview
WE ORGANIZE FOR POWER TO TRANSFORM COMMUNITIES
http://www.windc-iaf.org/article.php?id=45
Can you say “community organizer?”
From WIN’s FAQ page.
What is the IAF?
The IAF is the Industrial Areas Foundation, the country’s oldest and largest community organizing network. The IAF was founded in the 1940s by Saul Alinsky, who organized the country’s first neighborhood association, “The Back of the Yards Council,” in Chicago’s South side. Today, the IAF has affiliates in more than sixty cities. Each affiliates has its own name, sets its own agenda and hires its own lead organizer. The various affiliates come together for training and for regional leadership development. For more information on the IAF, visit http://www.industrialareasfoundation.org.
http://www.windc-iaf.org/article.php?id=18
The entire WIN/IAF FAQ page – the entire WIN site, actually – is just as sickening as the paragraph copied, above.
St John’s is no stranger to social justice.
Each month St. John’s parishioners provide casseroles for S.O.M.E. (So Others Might Eat), a ministry to the homeless and low-income individuals in D.C.
http://www.stjohns-dc.org/article.php?id=22
Visit the “Social Justice” page at the SOME web site. Or don’t. Just know that it’s there.
http://www.some.org/advocate_socialjustice.html
St. John’s parishioners annually join together to repair and refurbish a house in the District of Columbia as part of the nationwide “Rebuilding Together” program.
Rebuilding Together is funded by the Stone and Holt Weeks Foundation.
http://www.stoneandholtweeksfoundation.org/Foundation/Welcome_1.html
Perusing the Stone and Holt Weeks Foundation site, it’s obvious that the Weeks brothers were young Progressives, as is the foundation in their names. Read The Story of Stone and Holt from the About Stone and Holt page. Or visit one of the NPR links from the About page…if you can stomach it.
In cooperation with the Community Foundation for the National Capital Region, the Foundation exists to honor the memories and spirits of two brothers, remarkable young men who left this world in the summer of 2009 — far too early.
The Community Foundation for blah blah blah site reeks of Progressivism, but this group must be more sophisticated and savvy because I couldn’t locate any socialist verbiage. That is,
until I ran a site search for “social justice.”
http://www.cfncr.org/site/c.ihLSJ5PLKuG/b.3414999/apps/s/content.asp?ct=4567891
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In light of all that, whether or not Oilbama took communion seems irrelevant to me. After all, his motive for attending had nothing to do with his spirituality and the photo-op was just a bonus. The forum with Dr Salad or whatever his name is was the primary reason for his attendance at St John’s yesterday. And St John’s Progressive agenda is the reason for hosting the forum.
PS: I find it extremely troubling that every prez since Reagan attended St John’s Church Lafayette Square…if it’s true that they attended St John’s, that is.
aprilnovember811 commented:
Jeffrey,
Stop acting as though you are somehow so morally superior to everyone here, and especially me. Barack Hussein Obama deserves no respect. No more than Ted Bundy, Joran Van Der Sloot, Bernie Madoff, Hitler, Stalin, or other sociopath’s throughout history. Take your pompous, morally superior attitude somewhere else.
You must have thought our Founding Fathers were terrible. We haven’t even taken up arms yet. If my speaking out against this impostor who is destroying my children’s and other children’s futures, so be it. I don’t give a darn. I will fight for my children. Obviously the same can’t be said for you.
aprilnovember811 commented:
Auntie Madder,
Your post is right. He did attend because it was a Muslim speaker. What a shock.
Danny H commented:
Just wanted to note how horrible and stupid most of the comments here are. You’re going to burn in hell, you know. Not for being heretics, though. For being stupid.
AuntieMadder commented:
Dr. Ziad J. Asali is described as “a long-time activist on Middle East issues” who has testified to both chambers of Congress about Palestinian interests, increased U.S. aid to the Palestinian Authority, and “Israel’s disproportionate use of force” in Gaza. A retired physician, Asali received his early medical training at the American University of Beirut. He previously served as President of the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee (ADC) and Chairman of the American Committee on Jerusalem (ACJ), which he also co-founded He also served as the President of the Arab-American University Graduates (AAUG).
http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/09/20/obama-goes-to-church-to-hear-a-muslim-speaker/comment-page-1/#comment-23355
Derp Derp Derp commented:
You don’t have to be confirmed to take communion in an Episcopal church, Jimbo.
USMC Thomas commented:
All style over substance, perfect for the MTV generation where image is the sole judgmental criteria.
Judith commented:
What chased me away was a letter telling me of the appointment of a new assistant priest and that I should call her “Mother”. The strict rules, the beautiful masses and participation of the congregation, singing of the psalms, and adherence to the book of Common Prayer are gone. My only Mother gave me a choice and I took it. Obama is a shameless boob. As Sean says, “Let not your heart be troubled” it will be over soon.
some other guy commented:
Personally, I refuse to believe this so-called “baptism” occurred until I see the original long form vault copy of Hussein Obama’s baptismal certificate.
lobbey commented:
“Jeffrey,
Stop acting as though you are somehow so morally superior to everyone here, and especially me……”
we only do it because we are morally superior…
good luck with the FBI interview…
JefferyCampbell commented:
To the commenter who said we might feel threatened by this site:
I do feel threatened. A site like this gives lunatics, terrorists, miscreants, racists, et. al., a place to post their garbage; where it can be read and regurgitated like so much noxious vomit by others.
Before this kind of thing was available to you, you labored on your delusions alone in your basements with your cheetos, which made you much less dangerous. Now you can interact with like-minded cretins and join forces. Forces that damage, and threaten to destroy, this great county.
You claim to protect America and you spout quotes from the Founding Fathers and the Constitution. I doubt a one of you has the intellectual heft to parse a word of it or back it up with a single cogent idea.
I used to think you were pathetic, ignorant, losers. I still do, but now I understand you are also a danger to yourself and others.
JefferyCampbell commented:
Oh, and @AprilNovember: You’re correct (a rarity) about protecting my children. I’m a big homosexual with no children of my own. I do fear for your children however. I can only imagine how they will turn out with you for their mother.
JefferyCampbell commented:
One last thing for my fellow citizen @ApriNovember:
I have the greatest and most profound respect for our men and women who founded the United States of America. Do you understand that they were not “Christians” under your strict conservatist system? Most were Deists and their actions were more informed by the writings of Locke and Rousseau and other Enlightenment intellectuals than by Jesus.
Although, I expect they had a better grip on “Judge not, lest you be judged” and “do unto others…” than you seem to.
paperbackwriter commented:
Jim Hoft, I’m disappointed in you. Aren’t you Episcopalian?
Even teh Catholics give out Holy Communion long before confirmation.
Don’t get me wrong. I hate President Obama just as much as the next tea partier but you should at least try to pick our battles on substantive issues and not sucumb to blind petty outrage based purely on ignorant emailers who wouldn’t know their Host from their hiney.
You’re making us all look like raving idiots for nothing.
Please try and check your facts ahead of time before posting next time, Jim.
AuntieMadder commented:
For sixth time since president, Obama attends church in Washington
By Lynn Sweeton September 19, 2010 8:18 AM
WASHINGTON–For the sixth time since becoming president, President Obama attended church in Washington.
The First Family walked through Lafayette Square from the White House–no motorcade, it’s just a block–to St. John’s Episcopal Church. The family left at 8:49 a.m. for the 9 a.m. service. Obama was wearing a suit; First Lady Michelle, Sasha, and Malia in dresses.
(snip)
“The first family left the church by the side door at 10.03am and walked slowly through the park back to the White House.
http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2010/09/for_fifth_time_obama_attends.html
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This article is puzzling.
- “The…family left the church…at 10.03am…”
“By Lynn Sweeton September 19, 2010 8:18 AM”
How did Lynn Sweet and the Chicago Sun Times report this almost two hours before it happened (three hours if report time of 8:18am was Central time, which is an hour behind DC)?
- Time of the Oilbamas’ arrival and departure wasn’t included in the report of their Easter Sunday church visit. http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2010/04/for_fifth_time_obama_attends_c.html
The report of the fourth church visit included only the time that “Pool” departed the White House for the church, not the time that “Pool” or the Oilbamas departed after the service.
- The White House pool report begins at the fifth paragraph, but where does it end? There are no closing quotation marks. How much of this article was written by Sweet and how much was the WH pool report? When was the pool report actually written and by whom?
- Did Sweet report early Sunday morning that the Oilbama’s were to be attending church later that morning? After the agenda for St John’s 10:00am Adult Forum was “leaked” onto the ‘Net, was the pool report portion, which includes the time the “first family” left the church, written and added and the report edited to reflect past-tense by an sloppy editor who neglected to reflect that change to the time of the report’s posting to the Chicago Sun Times news blog?
Larry commented:
Do us all a favor and crawl back into your mom’s basement and STFU. You people are so *$&% ignorant.
CCFK commented:
“What’s wrong with the nice Christian family walking to church? None have a Bible!”
You know, in my church, we *have* Bibles. No need to carry one to church. I have to wonder about the churches all of you attend and the Christianity you practice. You seem to be bogged down in the minutiae and unable to see the larger picture, but that would take some intelligence. Good luck and God bless. You desperately need it.
Xenos commented:
“He’s darn lucky we don’t take George Washington’s route”
George Washington’s route was to attend an Episcopal mass for the blessings and the sermon, and then walk out before the feast because Washington was a Deist who did not believe according to the Nicean Creed, and did not give a damn if anyone thought poorly about him for his rejection of the Trinity, the Virgin Birth, and so on.
Washington’s route then brought him back home where he was running the country’s largest and most profitable whiskey distillery in his back yard.
We could use another president of Washington’s caliber.
Xenos commented:
And you might due well to read some of Washington’s letters. He specifically allowed for Muslim artisans to be hired for the building of Mount Vernon, although what exact work these Muslims did is lost to history. Like many other Deists and Unitarians Washington was apparently quite liberally disposed to Muslims.
FJH commented:
(1) Episcopal Church communion is open to any baptized Christian. Confirmation is not needed. (2) The Episcopal Church is about common prayer and worship, not denominational confessions and mountains of doctrine. (3) The hatred displayed in many of these comments, both against the President and the Episcopal Church, is repulsive.
JefferyCampbell commented:
Yes, let’s start calling this place the “Hateway Pundit.” That seems most appropriate.