Turkish PM Jumps the Jihadi Shark- Says Hamas Is Not a Terror Group But Is Fighting For Its Own Land
Posted by Jim Hoft on Friday, June 4, 2010, 9:40 AM
Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan told a massive rally of supporters in Konya that he did not see Hamas as a terrorist organization but as a resistance group that “is fighting for its own land.”
In this photo made available by the Turkish Prime Ministry Press Services office, showing Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, right, as he visits with a Turkish man who was injured in the recent Israeli naval commando raid, during his tour of a hospital in Ankara, Turkey, Thursday, June 3, 2010. (AP)
Hurriyet reported, via Free Republic:
While continuing his harsh accusations against Israel over its deadly raid on an aid flotilla, the Turkish prime minister said he does not see Hamas as a terrorist organization, but as a resisting group struggling for its own land.
“They [Hamas] won the election. You are always talking about democracy. You’ll never let Hamas rule. What kind of democracy is this?” Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan said Friday at a rally held in Konya, a central Anatolian province. He addressed thousands of people gathered at the rally with very strong anti-Israel sentiments.
“I do not think that Hamas is a terrorist organization. I said the same thing to the United States. I am still of the same opinion. They are Palestinians in resistance, fighting for their own land,” he stated. Hamas is recognized as a terrorist organization by the U.S.
Criticizing the Turkish media for its critical coverage on Turkey’s pro-Hamas stance, Erdoğan said, “These columnists will report my words of today as well. We know their past, their background.”
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God said so commented:
Psalms 83 leads to Isaiah 17 leads to Ezekiel 38/39.
ProLifer commented:
This is demonic.
Kevin P commented:
Islamist = Jihadist = Terrorist
Andreas K. commented:
Well, the guy is close connected to the Grey Wolves, which are basically the NSDAP/SA of Turkey. What do you expect? He and his party have been turning Turkey away from a secular state towards a classic mohammedan theocracy. They’re still far away from being Iran 2, but the trend is visible.
He also said some years ago that, what the Ottoman troops failed to achieve in both sieges of Vienna, the Turks will now achieve with their women (who are very reproductive.)
But! The EU wants this country and Erdogan in the EU!
What could possibly go wrong?
Also, there are no “islamists”. There is no “radical” islam, just like there is no “moderate” islam. Islam is islam. Islam in itself is radical. Read the koran. There is no room for interpretation, like with the bible. The koran is absolute, the 100% true word of allah, so they say.
Andreas K. commented:
Forgot: also Hitler’s “Mein Kampf” is still a top seller in Turkey. Jee… I wonder why!
sliderblaze commented:
well thats fantastic
auntie em commented:
He looks like he just stepped out of an Austin Powers movie as a hitler look-alike.
wanumba commented:
Would love to the see the photos before and after this one. Lying liars posing again.
wanumba commented:
Criticizing the Turkish media for its critical coverage on Turkey’s pro-Hamas stance, Erdoğan said, “These columnists will report my words of today as well. We know their past, their background.”
……………….
See? The threat. Not all of Turkey is on board this radical ship. He got into power, but he doesn’t represent the majority of Turks who want secular government.
Joanne commented:
Fighting for their own land? You mean the rest of the State of Israel. Turkey was given the boot from the region in the early 1900′s, maybe they want it back too.
Chisum commented:
I guess this is Turkey’s idea of democracy in action.
Hamas Thanks Int’l Community By Looting NGOs
As thanks to the international community for supporting Hamas in breaking the Israeli military blockade, Hamas has looted and shut down the offices of international Non-Governmental Organizations (NGOs) [added: including some affiliated with the U.N.] which provide services to poor and needy Palestinians.
http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/2010/06/hamas-thanks-intl-community-by-looting.html
Chisum commented:
A SOLUTION: Let Turkey Have Gaza.
“Turkey’s Islamist government, not known for its compassion to, say, Kurds in Turkey, has been shedding crocodile tears over Gaza for several years now, and helped instigate the flotilla fiasco. So I have a modest proposal: if Turkey is so concerned with the welfare of Gazans, why not let Turkey run the place. Israel doesn’t want it, and never has; it tried to give it back to Egypt several times, but Egypt doesn’t want it, either. Meanwhile, Gaza is controlled by a terrorist government that is both cruel and incompetent; and Israel is not going to lift its siege to long as Hamas is in charge.”
http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/100487/
Son of Libert commented:
It appears turkish secular military brass has lost to the islamists in the civilian government. It’s downhill from here.
No Man commented:
The one in the bed is a moderate.
The ones pushing up daisies are good muzzlims. Need more good muzzlims!
Good guys – 9
Bad guys – 1
- the regular muzzlims murdered a Catholic bishop yesterday.
John Frum commented:
Were is the Turkish Army?! Over the last 70 years, whenever islamic whackos took over the government, the military would take them to the town square and play target practice with the traitors.
Turkey was founded as a secular nation and must remain so. So sad.. They had a modern state, now they’re going backwards in time with sharia law. Pathetic.
bg commented:
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oh dear Lord..
if that picture doesn’t reek of propaganda,
i’d be hard pressed to find one that does..
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programmer commented:
What may I do for you, my valiant soldier?
Please, good sir, remove your foot from my oxygen line.
bg commented:
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John Frum @10:03 am #16
re: [Were is the Turkish Army?!]
they more or less took a back seat
since Obama came on the scene..
[GP had several posts depicting millions marching in protest against the
Turkish government, and the military backing them up, but i can't seem
to find them, *sigh*]
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bg commented:
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Chisum @ 9:45 am #12
re: [UN]
oh please,. they work in UNison..
“not only do as the Romans do when in Rome,
but aid, abet & profit off of them” – UN Motto
/truth sarc/
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Freddy commented:
With the stated goal of Hamas being the destruction of Israel, I wonder what exactly this Turkish Prime Minister has in mind?
greenfairie commented:
Get Turkey out of NATO now. The days of Ataturk are over.
C-Christian Soldier commented:
re-posting my own comment-just addressing ti to the PM-
hey – PM-Erdogan –get an history book-of ancient history-2000 + years ago-
NOT THE ONE from which you were taught -obviously-it was re-written–
and relieve your ignorance!!
C-CS
bg commented:
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re: “But Is Fighting For Its Own Land”
History Of Religion
Imperial History Of The Middle East
What Really Happened In The Middle East
[you may have to play with it a bit to get it started
ie: click refresh a few times, but it's well worth it..]
The world’s collective amnesia
["The fact that there are these refugees is the direct consequence of the act
of the Arab states in opposing partition and the Jewish state. The Arab states agree upon this policy unanimously and they must share in the solution of the problem."
– Emile Ghoury, secretary of the Palestinian Arab Higher Committee,
in an interview with the Beirut Telegraph Sept. 6, 1948.
"The Arab state which had encouraged the Palestine Arabs to leave their homes temporarily in order to be out of the way of the Arab invasion armies, have failed to keep their promise to help these refugees."
– The Jordanian daily newspaper Falastin, Feb. 19, 1949.
"Who brought the Palestinians to Lebanon as refugees, suffering now from the malign attitude of newspapers and communal leaders, who have neither honor nor conscience? Who brought them over in dire straits and penniless, after they lost their honor? The Arab states, and Lebanon amongst them, did it."
– The Beirut Muslim weekly Kul-Shay, Aug. 19, 1951.
"For the flight and fall of the other villages it is our leaders who are responsible because of their dissemination of rumors exaggerating Jewish crimes and describing them as atrocities in order to inflame the Arabs … By spreading rumors of Jewish atrocities, killings of women and children etc., they instilled fear and terror in the hearts of the Arabs in Palestine, until they fled leaving their homes and properties to the enemy."
– The Jordanian daily newspaper Al Urdun, April 9, 1953.
"The 15th May, 1948, arrived … On that day the mufti of Jerusalem appealed to the Arabs of Palestine to leave the country, because the Arab armies were about to enter and fight in their stead."
– The Cairo daily Akhbar el Yom, Oct. 12, 1963.]
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ice commented:
Where was Hamas, and why were they not fighting for their own land when the Ottoman (the Turks) Empire controlled the same area for the previous 700 to 800 years?
Why is Hamas not fighting Syria, Lebanon, Jordan? It’s not about the land, it’s about the religion.
wildwood commented:
Okay, why do I think the guy in the bed isn’t really hurt, but hooked up to crap just to look like he’s been wounded? Why do I suspect that?
http://tinyurl.com/29a2guj
Adirondack Patriot commented:
For 400 years, the Ottoman Turks controlled all of the land now known as Israel. If the land belonged to the Palestinians, they had 400 years to break off that land and set up the nation of Palestine.
If the Turks wouldn’t give the Palestinians a homeland, why should the Israelis?
Adirondack Patriot commented:
Oh, and let’s also ask Erdogun Douchebag what he would do if a group of Armenians and Kurds came steaming into his territorial waters demanding a homeland for their respective ethnic groups.
gary gulrud commented:
Dump Turkey from NATO, support the PPK and the descendats of Ataturk, the secular Turkish military now jailed.
bg commented:
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wildwood @ 12:04 pm #27
here’s just a sample of why..
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jomojava commented:
Erdogan has been talking to Sultan Obama again, hasn’t he?
bg commented:
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re: bg #32
wildwood @ 12:04 pm #27
here’s another, and another, i could go
on, but why beat a dead Hamas horse..
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bg commented:
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jomojava @ 2:38 pm #33
B Hussein O is going to need their support again come 2012 (if he somehow miraculously manages to last that long, i’m praying no such miracle occurs)..
Erdogan, Qaradawi, Ramadan, Hamas, and Obama
[The Obama administration also lifted the visa ban on Ramadan--which was based on Ramadan’s financial contributions to Hamas--and welcomed him to Washington in April 2010 with fulsome speeches by administration officials Farah Pandith, Hillary Clinton’s “U.S. representative to Muslim communities,” and Rashad Hussain, U.S. representative to the Saudi-based Organization for the Islamic Conference.]
more & links @ link..
American Muslims disagree
[Mr. Ramadan's history in Europe is rife with controversy. His Muslim Brotherhood lineage is well-known and was reaffirmed proudly last week on the Muslim Brotherhood's London website. Mr. Ramadan tries to distance himself from the Muslim Brotherhood. Yet his tour includes stops for several Brotherhood-affiliated groups. He revealingly commented that "the Palestinian resistance or the Iraqi resistance is legitimate," leaving many to question why American Muslims would have any sympathy for someone who endorses attacks on their friends, relatives and compatriots serving in Iraq and elsewhere.
His message has changed over time, but in essence, he argues that Muslims can integrate fully into Western societies without fearing incompatibility with their religious beliefs. The problem with Mr. Ramadan's vision for integration rests in his dangerous whitewashing of political Islam. His work and interviews evade legitimate concern that Shariah is given primacy to all other legal systems within political Islam, or even in non-Islamic societies, while still paradoxically speaking about full integration. This is hypocritical. The Islamic state is inherently incompatible with American - and Western - democracy.]
more @ link & much more here..
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bg commented:
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Andreas K. @ 9:26 am #5
re: [“Mein Kampf”]
here’s why..
also a best seller here..
not to mention this..
and Adolf Hitler’s ‘Mein Kampf’ to be republished in Germany
also, Going Cold Turkey
[As Dinesh D’Souza writes in The Enemy at Home, it is time “to retire the tiresome invocation of Turkey as a model for Islamic society. No Muslim country is going the way of Turkey, and even Turkey is no longer going the way of Turkey.” But is not Turkey an electoral democracy and does it not therefore merit our approval and support? We in the West appear to have forgotten that elections in themselves do not constitute democracy. In the Muslim world, elections are only mechanisms for regulating the balance between competing tribal, ethnic and religious blocs intent on political domination, social coercion and economic exploitation—to be suspended the moment it seems opportune to do so. They are pretexts for structures of autocratic or theocratic control. It should come as no surprise that under the auspices of an ostensible democratic apparatus, Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s Justice and Development Party (AKP) is steering Turkey towards ever closer ties with the totalitarian regimes of Iran, Syria and Sudan and re-introducing Islamic norms of behavior.
[..]
Domestically, the Turkish parliament has cancelled the ban on the hijab, prompting even the Russian journal RiaNovosti to speculate on the danger of radical change in the country. As RiaNovosti wryly points out, “the [pro-hijab] bill will burnish Turkey’s democratic credentials, hastening its accession to the European Union”—a clever move, no doubt, given Eurabian sympathies. Turkey has recently attempted to pass a law criminalizing adultery in order, according to Erdogan, to preserve the family. The law did not carry but the current atmosphere in the country suggests it will be proposed once again. The fact that Mein Kampf has become a bestseller in Turkey is equally worrying.]
more & links @ link..
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bg commented:
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Chisum @ 9:45 am #12
re: [poor and needy Palestinians]
(ht TK in a another thread):
did they say needy??
(ht Neo in another thread):
did they say poor??
oh darn, i’m so confused!! which came
first, the poor?? or the needy?? /sarc/
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bg commented:
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Andreas K. @ 9:24 am #4
er: [the trend is visible.]
heck, the freakin’ trend is visible
right here in the US of A.. *sigh*
there’s more than one way to be blind not to notice it..
there’s the subliminal blindness: moves too fast to
see it, but slow enough to register in the brain..
then there’s what i called Creeping Sharia back in 2002: moves
slow enough to see it, but not fast enough to register.. aka:
Boiling The Infidel Frog
Islamization occurs when there are sufficient Muslims in
a country to agitate for their so-called ‘religious rights.’
As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone.
At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs.
From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to
their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for
the introduction of halal and work to get the ruling government to
allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law.
When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness
as a means of complaint about their conditions. Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats.
After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia
formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning.
At 40% you will find widespread massacres,
chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare.
From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and
other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing, use of Sharia Law as a weapon
and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels.
After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide.
100% will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ – the Islamic House
of Peace – there’s supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim.
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bg commented:
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OT..
Top US lawmaker: Israel ‘rightfully’ raided flotilla
[WASHINGTON — Israel has "rightfully" invoked its right to self-defense to justify a deadly raid on a Gaza-bound aid flotilla, and should not face UN condemnation, a top US lawmaker said Wednesday.
"The loss of life was tragic," but "the administration and Congress are determined to prevent condemnation of Israel at the UN Security Council," Democratic House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer said in a statement.
Israel -- facing a global uproar over its pre-dawn raid which left nine pro-Palestinian activists dead -- has blamed those aboard the ships, including the main vessel, the Turkish-owned Mavi Marmara, for initiating the violence.
Hoyer, a staunch backer of Washington's main Middle East ally, said he was waiting for "all the facts to emerge" about the Monday raid, but seemed to side with Israel's account.
"Israel -- rightfully so -- invoked its right to self-defense on the Mavi Marmara. While the majority of ships in the flotilla -- five out of six -- reacted peacefully when approached by Israeli Defense Forces, activists on board the Mavi Marmara were clearly bent on a violent confrontation," he said.
Hoyer said the flotilla had set a collision course with Israel, ignoring "two week's worth of repeated warnings" that they would not be allowed access
to Gaza, and Israeli offers to distribute legitimate aid to Gaza's people.
"Finally, to the extent that this act was in protest of the Gaza blockade, let's be clear: Hamas could end the blockade at any time by recognizing Israel's right to exist, renouncing violence, and releasing Gilad Shalit," an Israeli soldier held by the militant group since 2006, he said.
"In times of increased tension such as now, it is imperative that we not allow these events to distract from our main goals of achieving peace in the region and preventing Iran from developing nuclear weapons," said Hoyer.]
HOYER!? i mean, HOYER?!
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akentgi3gbi commented:
This article by an Iranian dissident is pure gold:
An Open Letter to Turkey
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/9530
You say you want an international investigation into the flotilla raid? Sure. Right after you allow an international investigation into that minor matter of Armenian genocide that you’ve been ducking for quite a while.
And then we can move on to the more than 10,000 political prisoners in your jails. … An independent investigation could also begin by looking into the torture and murder of political activists such as Engin Ceber. … And they would no doubt be fascinated by the more than 1500 children in your prisoners who are there on “terrorism” charges. Like that 12 year old you arrested in 2008 for singing a Kurdish folk song.
In Israel, Arabs are a legally recognized minority. Arabic is taught in schools and used as a legally recognized language. Meanwhile Kurdish identity is all but banned in Turkey and Iranian heritage and nationalism is under attack by the Islamist invaders. Kurdish names, folk songs and even the Kurdish language itself has been repressed. Your regime has actually prosecuted and removed officials for simply incorporating a Kurdish phrase into a greeting. You screech self-righteously about the “Palestinian children”– perhaps we should talk about the hundreds of Kurdish children arrested for throwing stones at protests.
You talk about stolen land, when your entire country is stolen land, from Cyprus to Istanbul. Your regime is a racist illegitimate entity based on the oppression of the Kurds, the Armenians, the Assyrians, Iranians, and numerous others. You went directly from being Imperialists to Fascists to Islamists, a truly dubious achievement for any nation. Your history is filled with slavery, ethnic cleansing, genocide and invasion. And that’s just in the last century alone.
bg commented:
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akentgi3gbi @ 9:09 am #41
thank you..
i’ll be sure to pass it on..
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