Breaking: 40 of "Peace Activists" on Gaza Flotilla Are Al-Qaeda

Yesterday, the Obama Administration condemned Israel and sided with the Gaza Flotilla. Now there is word that 40 of the arrested flotilla “peace activists” are al-Qaeda.

Earlier, it was reported that a majority of the arrested “peace activists” who brutally attacked the Israeli soldiers with pipes, metal rods. chairs and knives are linked to terror groups including Al-Qaeda. Several are members of the Muslim Brotherhood. The activists include Turks, Yemenites and Indonesians. And, many of the arrested “peace” fanatics have no identification papers.

The Arab Media reported that several of the flotilla participants were writing wills, preparing for martyrdom, and determined to reach Gaza or die.

Photo of flotilla participants, with the title “Photos of Algerian Mujahideen”

Now there is information that 40 of the so-called “peace activists” belong to Al-Qaeda.
The IDF website reported:

In a special meeting of the Security Cabinet it was disclosed that a group of 40 people on board the Mavi Marmara with no identification papers belong to Al Qaeda. The terrorists were equipped with bullet proof vests, night-vision goggles, and weapons.

Jonatan Urich

On board the Mavi Marmara ship that arrived as part of the flotilla to Gaza was a group of approximately 40 people with no identification papers, who are mercenaries belonging to the Al Qaeda terror organization. This was disclosed by the Israeli Security Cabinet, which gathered on Tuesday evening (June 1) for a special meeting.

According to intelligence disclosed during that meeting, the terrorists wore bullet-proof vests, and carried with them night-vision goggles, weapons, and a package of cash. While the civilian protestors were sent to the lower deck during the Shayetet Naval Special Force’s interception of the ship, the group divided into cells and remained on the upper deck in order to attack the soldiers.

An announcement delivered at the completion of this special meeting stated that blocking the entrance of these ships into Gaza is an act of self defense. The Cabinet places full responsibility for the incident on those who started the violence which clearly endangered the lives of the IDF soldiers, and commends the IDF for the way it responded. The meeting on this subject will continue on Wednesday (June 2).

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said during the meeting that he regrets all loss of life, but gives full support to the IDF. “This was not a flotilla for peace, but instead was a violent and organized force. We have films and photographs which show what our soldiers faced, but the last thing that can be said about this ship is that it was a flotilla of peace,” he said.

So, this begs the question… Why is the Obama Administration condemning Israel and siding with Al-Qaeda?

UPDATE: Allison Kaplan Sommer has a shocking and thorough report on the attack at Pajamas Media.

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  • Jack

    Because Obama is inclined to support anyone who claims to be oppressed.

  • Andreas K.

    Surprise? Not so much.

  • Andreas K.

    Let me just add this image. PI just used it for an article and I think it describes perfectly how the left wing and the mohammedans see Jews:

    Good Jews, on the left, without power, without a chance, helplessly exposed to their fate.

    Evil Jews, on the right, armed, ready to defend themselves.

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  • squeaky

    ship[s] of fools – doesn’t take a whole lot of idiots to get a whole lot of idiots killed. how many dolts were on board who would never have signed on if they considered that the operation could be one for martyrdom? usually
    if you happen to find yourself on the wrong side of the law cuz’ the folks your with decided to rob a bank [armed] while you’re with them you have quite a bit of splain’n to do to the cops.
    http://media.photobucket.com/image/ship%20of%20fools/EdDames/ShipofFools.jpg?o=5

  • J

    How ironic that 7 years after 9/11, the USA elected a frontman for Al Qaeda as their president.

  • squeaky

    “frontman for Al Qaeda” and all they really have to do is assume they have friends in high places. bin laden assumed that the American military was made up of paper tigers after
    mogadishu. didn’t obama say that words have meanings. when people assume you’re weak it makes your job that much harder.

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  • regularguy

    I guess this is all part of what some say is the “great deception.” True enough, but I’d also say it’s just as much a part of a “great madness.” The 1930’s are here again; the (practically inevitable) outcome will be war where good men and women will have to choose between good and evil, or to remain indifferent and therefore be de facto evil. A major bloodbath is coming. We’d all better be prepared that it will affect us personally.

    Israel will very possibly hit Iran with small nukes to destroy Iran’s nukes per the Israeli subs already placed in the Gulf, perhaps later this summer. Nuclear deterence may have worked against rational but evil Soviets, but is unlikely against nihilistic islamic fanatics.

    The US may, itself, have a political crisis if Obama fails to defend Israel when the inevitable backlash happens. If Obama cannot get past his moral turpitude of excusing islamic fanaticism and actually begin to understand the moral superiority and utterly worthy life of Israel and the United States versus the intrinsic evil of islamic regimes who are hell bent on destroying all of us infidels, there will be elements here who will not allow this to continue. I hope and pray for the safety of this country, for Obama, and for Israel that none of this actually happens, but I fear I will be proven right, unfortunately.

    Much of this could be averted by Obama boldly condemning islam, its terrorist elements, and just as boldly proclaiming the worthiness of freedom through military and economic might. Muslims respect power and strength, if nothing else. I know, I’ll go back on my meds, he’d never do such a thing.

  • Highlander

    “… Why is the Obama Administration condemning Israel and siding with Al-Qaeda?”

    That’s a rhetorical question, right?

  • bill-tb

    The Barry regime does everything about as well as it handles the oil spill. It’s just that you can’t hide the oil spill.

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  • Swifty

    And the surrounding Arab countries will in unison say “Lies! All lies!”

  • Mrs. X

    Israel should have sunk all those ships.

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  • smarty

    Hmm, where is the Obama condemnation of North Korea compared to this? Oh yeah, we only beat up our friends, AQ and N.Korea are our frenemies.

  • neomom

    I’m shocked Bin-Laden wasn’t playing the role of Capt. Stubing. Maybe FOX can have a Holocaust movie marathon to remind these morons of the viciousness of anti-Semitism. My house, heart and military training is prepared to aid the children of Abraham. I think the next time a ship tries to run the blockade, the Jews should turn it into a man made reef. I am tired of the lies. We watch the Euotrash nations bankrupt themselves because they are too lazy to put in an honest work week and too stupid to keep out Islam, hey, lets blame the jews. The corrupt third world nations that worship a God of hate, violence and misogyny then wonder why they are unable to have a productive peaceful society. Blame the Jews? You Democrat American Jews, what the hell is wrong with you? You are working to kill the very instrument that enabled the defeat of Naziism and the defense of the Jewish homeland, The Constitution. I am so sick of this and so ready to fight.

  • David

    Is there any more independent information about Al-Qaeda on these ships?

    If that is true … wow … that would be a big game changer as far as this story is concerned.

  • http://www.truthandcommonsense.com archer52

    It would be curious to see if the next boats have been loaded yet and on the seas. If they are if some other boat came along side and either loaded or unloaded material. If the IDF is going to check all of them regardless of the pressure, then the terrorists would not want to be caught with arms. (Not that it would be reported fairly.) However, if they thought they could run the blockade they would put weapons on board.

    This is simple, the Arabs want to massacre and murder all Jews. The Jews want to be left in peace. Anyone who doesn’t see it as it is can only be a fool or mentally corrupted- which accounts for about 95% of the liberals in America.

    Lucky for the arabs I’m not in charge. I would sink the boats and pick up those arabs that could tread water while letting the rest receive their reward of 72 virgins.

    But then again, that’s me. I have very, very little patience with bad guys.

  • olm

    The countries in the ME are lining up, or more like circling to kill the Jews.
    I wish America would wake the hell up.
    I am just sick watching this.
    Tar ball Barry is about to have a really bad summer.

  • Mark273

    The only way people will read your blog is if you exaggerate and go way beyond what info you have. The Obama administration didn’t condemn Israel, and they are the only ones standing with Israel at this point. They are the only ones who are saying that Israel should be able to conduct an investigation into the event instead of an international group do it. For all of your whining about Obama’s muslim ties, the destruction of the Constitution, and everything else, believe me, if Obama was Hitler reincarnated, none of you would be able to gripe about your poor persecuted suffering lives and get away with it. Let me know when one of you is put into prison for your point of view. But know that as long as you are still free to say it, your screeching empty cries of injustice are falling on deaf ears.

  • EJ

    This is it folks…remember the “gird your loins” comment by Blabber-Mouth Biden, this type of scenario is what he was envisioning. In this event, Obama condemned the attack BEFORE getting the facts from Israel, so he either did this on purpose or Israel withheld that Al-Queda was on the boat on purpose. In any case, this is a BAD signal for US/Israel relations and will force israel to defend itself unilaterally and the US will NOT stand by her side. Obama is a dangerous man for ALL the world.

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  • CLN

    Hillary made some wisht washy statement condemning “acts” and calling for an investigation. That is not condemning Israel or Turkey (who should be comdemned for pimping a ride for terrorists). Euros, well they’e pissing their pants right now.

    As for Turkey calling this an atack on them, only if they stand with Al Qaeda, and they might. Never expected that they’d be caught like criminals. THought it was a glorious entry into gaza or a glorious martyrdom in the mediteranee.

  • olm

    Mark, who is comparing Obama to Hitler? I thought it was Bushitler, but I digress.
    Look, Obama is a limp wristed appeaser. Period. He is walking a fine line between Isreal and the Islamo nutjobs in the Middle East. And because of his incompetence (at the minimum) the Middle East is teetering on war.

  • http:[email protected] John Novick

    To highlander. I have read that the US condemns the loss of life but not the act preferring to postpone judgement until further investigation. If you have evidence to the contrary I will apologize

  • CLN

    The press here and the US left have spent years in schools which made them sing “give peace a chance”, and that people are all the same. They believe this and turn a blind eye to true differences among cultures and religions.
    CS Lewis was right aout the dangers of relativism

  • Valerie

    Mark273
    June 2nd, 2010 | 7:03 am | #23
    “The only way people will read your blog is if you exaggerate and go way beyond what info you have.”

    Oh, you mean you think that Jim Hoft should immitate the New York Times and MSNBC. No, thanks.

    The readers of this blog include those who have actually read the Hamas Covenant, the Hezbollah Covenant, the Iraqi Constitution, and the Arizona immigration law.

    They followed the Cartoon Wars, the fauxtography incidents, and Rathergate.

    They read up on history, including that of those pigs Bernadine (“dig it!”) Dorhn and Bill (Prairie Fire) Ayers.

    They know which political party put the Jim Crow laws in place, and what political party Martin Luther King belonged to.

    And they know a few of the names of people on those boats.

    No wonder they are unimpressed with the tiresome, hypociritcal response by this administration.

    Speaking simply for me, the President of this country has had a unique opportunity to put a stop to this nonsense. All he would have to do is comment that the Israelis do have footage that supports their story.

    If he had the cojones and the education to use the word “Hirabah,” he could set millions of Muslims free from the evil of the murderous, blasphemous strain of Islam that pollutes our world. That’s the hope and change that people were looking for when they elected him. Thus far, he has failed miserably.

  • Mark273

    @Valerie

    “Speaking simply for me, the President of this country has had a unique opportunity to put a stop to this nonsense. All he would have to do is comment that the Israelis do have footage that supports their story.”

    Well, that shut me right up. All of the things you say the readers of this blog have read and are aware of simply don’t relate to the topic of the post which was that the author claimed that Obama condemned Israel. Who said that Hezbollah were anything but terrorists? I certainly didn’t. But it is simply insane for people to take anything that Obama says and interpret as being atheist, muslim, gay, communist, fascist, fill-in-the-blank. It just shows to me that his opposition has nothing but anger. And your next paragraph was priceless:

    “Speaking simply for me, the President of this country has had a unique opportunity to put a stop to this nonsense. All he would have to do is comment that the Israelis do have footage that supports their story.”

    Amazing, why didn’t anyone think of this? You should get the Nobel Prize for Peace! All Obama needs to do to resolve this ‘nonsense’ is to make a comment about footage that the Israeli’s have. How could we have been so dumb? The reason I made the statements I did (which your comments only reinforced) is that even though you can read some documents (though your spelling is an iffy), you seem to think that the problems of the world are so simple to solve. Just say “Hirabah”!

  • Joanne

    Because Obama is a Muslim and Muslims always side with Muslims……and all Muslims hate anything Jewish. Obama supports terrorism and regimes that slaughter their own people in order to take power from the people. Obama supported his cousin Odinga in Kenya who wouldn’t call off his Muslim dogs until he was put into a position of power…….seems slaughtering Christians gets you just that.

  • Joanne

    #23 – Canada stands with Israel, so quit the bullcrap from the start.

    You think the opposition has anger? Bloody duh! America’s economy is going right down the crapper, her allies are being alienated, and her enemies are circling the camp…..all because Obama embraces anything or anyone who hates America.

  • Highlander

    John Novak,

    The administration has condemned the loss of life. Question: how do you condemn the loss of life without condemning those who took those lives? Answer: you can’t.

    Any previous administration would have expressed regret at the loss of life, reaffirmed Israel’s right to defend itself, and given Israel the benefit of the doubt in any investigation.

    I will agree that it was one mealy-mouthed condemnation (pretty much the standard for this admin.) – as the they try to walk the diplomatic tightrope they have strung for themselves.

    Regardless, as far as I’m concerned, you needn’t apologize for honestly expressing your views.

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  • mbabbitt

    Do you really have to ask that question?

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  • kansas

    Why is the Obama Administration condemning Israel and siding with Al-Qaeda?

    Oh I don’t know, how about God damn America?

  • Mark273

    Okay, so Obama is a muslim and supports muslims and is against Israel and Jews. That must be why he is seeking $205 million from Congress (as of May 14, 2010) to enhance Israel’s missile defense system (http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2010/05/14/Obama-seeks-US-military-aid-to-Israel/UPI-85911273856559/). This in addition to the already increasing amount of aid the US gives to Israel which Obama is continuing. Obama is one sneaky devil to increase funding for Israeli defense, but clearly as a ruse because of his hatred for them. I am certainly thankful for blogs like this that help me see past the facts to get at the truth.

  • Chisum

    Let’s take a look at US aid to foreign countries, shall we?

    United States Foreign Aid Summary Chart

    http://www.vaughns-1-pagers.com/politics/us-foreign-aid.htm

  • Chisum

    Will Obama Stand By Campaign Commitment to Israel’s Security?

    THEN-PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE BARACK OBAMA, JUNE 4, 2008: Our alliance is based on shared interests and shared values. Those who threaten Israel threaten us. Israel has always faced these threats on the frontlines. And I will bring to the White House an unshakable commitment to Israel’s security.

    Now, let me be clear Israel’s security is sacrosanct. It is non-negotiable.

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,593879,00.html

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  • neomom

    Val #31, Great Arguement, correct on all points. Mark is a disrupter Troll, do not feed him and he will shrival up and die. He may have to get his job back at Taco Bell. It’s degree as a professional humanities student just won’t pay the bills.

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  • Mark273

    Well, neomom, I don’t see how giving me a reading list makes a great “Arguement”, but far be it from me to disrupt your nice blog. Since it is easier to call me a troll, I will withdraw and leave to yourselves.

  • Chisum

    US aid tied to purchase of arms

    WASHINGTON: Just before Christmas, the US President, Barack Obama, signed into law one of his country’s biggest aid pledges of the year. It was bound not for Africa or any of the many struggling countries on the World Bank’s list.

    It was a deal for $US2.77 billion ($3 billion) to go to Israel in 2010 and a total of $US30 billion over the next decade.

    Israel is bound by the agreement to use 75 per cent of the aid to buy military hardware made in the US: in the crisis-racked US economy, those military factories are critical to many towns.

    For the first time the US is also providing $US500 million to the Palestinian Authority, including $US100 million to train security forces, under the strict proviso that the authority’s leadership recognises Israel.

    http://www.smh.com.au/world/us-aid-tied-to-purchase-of-arms-20100101-llsb.html

  • http://furtheradventuresofindigored.blogspot.com/ Indigo Red

    #45 – “Idiot PM David Cameron says Israel’s actions against flotilla “unacceptable” « Cubachi”

    Damn straight Israel’s actions are unacceptable! Paintball guns!?! Really!?! What the hell were they thinking? You don’t bring a paintball gun to a knife fight – geez!

  • http://redinktexas.blogspot.com Rorschach

    I for one do not condemn the loss of life. Some people simply need killing. I condemn Hamas, the Palestinian Brotherhood, Al Queda, Mohammed, and all of his followers.

    They started this war, Israel should end it. Permanently.

  • davidr

    No, it does NOT “beg the question”! Here’s a link that will help you understand the proper use of that phrase:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question

    As for why 0bama is supporting the Al-Qaeda side? Change!

  • http://www.danegerus.com/weblog/Right.asp DANEgerus

    Because Barack Hussein Obama is an anti-Semite who has associated for years with anti-Semites

  • wanumba

    Valerie
    June 2nd, 2010 | 7:58 am | #31
    Mark273
    June 2nd, 2010 | 7:03 am | #23

    The readers of this blog include those who have actually read the Hamas Covenant, the Hezbollah Covenant, the Iraqi Constitution, and the Arizona immigration law.

    And they know a few of the names of people on those boats
    ……………

    Worse that that! We actually KNOW one of the guys on those boats.
    Ed Peck, former Ambassador to Mauritania 1984, now insta flotilla celebrity tool.
    The decades have not improved him. Ack.
    Mauritania was and remains one of those podunk backwater posts where State Department newbies started their careers to pay their dues, or losers finished their careers on.
    Peck fell into the “loser” category.

    And the State Department should be explaining why former US ambassadors are lending IMPLIED US approval of this terrorist, war-mongering float-zilla. Hullo Hillary? Where ARE you? You approve or you didn’t know, aka incompetent? WHich is it?

  • bg

    ++

    re: So, this begs the question…

    Why is the Obama Administration condemning
    Israel and siding with Al-Qaeda?

    sorry GP,

    but that is a factual statement, not a question..

    ==

  • http://nicedeb.wordpress.com/ Nice Deb

    The IDF website removed “belong to al Qaeda” from that first paragraph:

    In a special meeting of the Security Cabinet it was disclosed that a group of 40 people on board the Mavi Marmara with no identification papers belong to Al Qaeda.

    Now reads:

    In a special meeting of the Security Cabinet it was disclosed that a group of 40 people on board the Mavi Marmara was found with no identification papers.

  • JHaider

    Wait ’til the whole truth comes out. There were crematoria, gas chambers, and containers of zyklon B on board.

    This was really a mobile death camp! The Al Qaeda seamen were going to perpetrate genocide.

    Kudos to the fearless IDF for stopping the second Holocaust!

  • http://LOL! Ronnie

    Are these the talking points for Faux News and their sheeple radio media? Did they plant all these items on the ship after they boarded? Is this how they are going to justify their massacre? No one with a brain cell believes this crap anymore. Holocaust! 9/11! WMDs!

    The world has seen who are the terrorists and liars. Give it up Neoconservatives.

  • bg

    ++

    Mark273 @ 10:02 am #40

    Obama has a way of saying much & doing the opposite, ergo, it could very well be all for show (like his campaign promises, “this isn’t in the bill”, oh yes it was, and worse than we thought to boot, oops.. or the Memorial Day speech he didn’t give stating: “i’ll be back as soon as the lightening stops” as he walked away only to make a drive by to pick up something he forgot after the crowd got so tired of waiting for his return & had disbursed, etc)..

    so.. when it’s a fact, get back to me, k??

    ==

  • bg

    ++

    Ronnie @ 2:56 pm #56

    re: [Neoconservatives.]

    Neoconservatism

    [Through the 1950s and early 1960s the future neoconservatives had been socialists or liberals strongly supportive of the American Civil Rights Movement, integration, and Martin Luther King, Jr..

    The neoconservatives, arising from the anti-Stalinist left of the 1950s, opposed the anti-capitalism of the New Left of the 1960s. They broke from the liberal consensus of the early post-World War II years in foreign policy, and opposed Détente with the Soviet Union in the late 1960s and 1970s.

    [..]

    Neoconservatism… originated in the 1970s as a movement of anti-Soviet liberals and social democrats in the tradition of Truman, Kennedy, Johnson, Humphrey and Henry (‘Scoop’) Jackson, many of whom preferred to call themselves ‘paleoliberals.’ [After the end of the Cold War]… many ‘paleoliberals’ drifted back to the Democratic center… Today’s neocons are a shrunken remnant of the original broad neocon coalition. Nevertheless, the origins of their ideology on the left are still apparent. The fact that most of the younger neocons were never on the left is irrelevant; they are the intellectual (and, in the case of William Kristol and John Podhoretz, the literal) heirs of older ex-leftists.

    [..]

    For the neoconservatives, religion is an instrument of promoting morality. Religion becomes what Plato called a noble lie. It is a myth which is told to the majority of the society by the philosophical elite in order to ensure social order… In being a kind of secretive elitist approach, Straussianism does resemble Marxism. These ex-Marxists, or in some cases ex-liberal Straussians, could see themselves as a kind of Leninist group, you know, who have this covert vision which they want to use to effect change in history, while concealing parts of it from people incapable of understanding it.]

    [standard disclaimer: source Wikipedia]

    ==

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  • bg

    ++

    Mark273 @ 8:32 am #32

    oh where to start??

    you took Valerie’s words, twisted them so out of context, & then
    proceed to accuse her of doing exactly what you proceeded to do…

    mustn’t be easy for you having
    to live with a pretzel for a brain..

    i mean, starting off where you finish, finishing where you started off..
    your thoughts constantly crisscrossing over one another.. iow: never
    the twain shall meet..

    ==

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  • lance sephyr

    Whether the civilians on the aid ships in the Freedom Flotilla had knives or not is absolutely irrelevant.
    The Israel siege of Gaza is a provocation against the international community and Christians like myself since over 30% of Palestinians are also Christians.
    As a Christian, I can see for myself that the ships were in international waters where Israel has absolutely zero rights to board any vessel whatsoever.
    The passengers on the aid ships by contrast had a right to not only have weapons to protect themselves from pirates but also had an absolute right to resist (if that is what they did), if they faced an act of international piracy which they clearly also faced!!!
    After all, passengers on civilian vessels (whether off the coast of Somalia or off the coast of Malaysia or in the South China Seas), have the right to resist pirates no matter what uniform that they are wearing.
    The Israeli soldiers that attacked the civilian aid ships in international waters have the status of pirates, and the passengers on these ships under international law have the right to resist these pirates.
    Bravo to the passengers for resisting the Israeli pirates who attacked and murdered innocent Turkish civilians as well as civilians from other other European countries in a blatant and modern act of international piracy.
    This brutality and criminal acts by the IDF (otherwise known as Insane Depraved Fanatics), is now going to be the cause to motivate civilians such as myself from many other countries to help out and participate in the next international civilian ship aid convoy to the new Warsaw Ghetto that Israel has created in the Gaza Ghetto.
    Piracy on the high seas should not be tolerated and future Freedom Flotillas should be escorted in by the naval forces of member states of the United Nations like Turkey!!!

  • bg

    ++

    Mark273 @ 7:03 am #23

    re: [if Obama was Hitler]

    me oh my, Hitler just dropped in on the world, worked
    his magic overnight & the rest is history i see, oh wait..

    hmmm, seeing as how Obama fancies himself a Hitlerstorian (so to speak), and is not only intent on following his example per se, but hell bent on correcting his “mistakes”.. i’d say yes, Obama can be compared to Hitler as well as many other Utopianists who not only caused millions of their own people’s deaths and destruction, but many others to boot..

    [In 1933 the German establishment thought it could use Hitler to restore a modicum of order to the confused and confusing Weimar Republic. In fact, Hitler did strengthen the German establishment, but not exactly in the way the bankers and businessmen had wanted; and now, fifty years later, it is clear who was using whom. Nevertheless, the Western World did not complain in 1933 because Hitler, though a fascist and a totalitarian, was seen, like countless American puppet dictators today, as someone who leaves the established order in place.]

    (par his ‘not up on history’ & oh so conversed
    opinions, that is exactly what Barry believes)

    Young Obama Wrote Article Blaming
    America For ‘Growing Threat of War’

    [If Obama still has this sensibility, he could be poised to take American foreign policy sharply to the left, notwithstanding the centrist foreign policy team he has assembled. Moreover, since Obama didn’t recognize the Soviet menace during the Cold War and blamed the possibility of war entirely on the United States, there’s good reason to think that today he could lack the moral clarity needed to fight radical Islam.]

    re: [none of you would be able to gripe about your
    poor persecuted suffering lives and get away with it.]

    i agree.. being they were blindly led to the slaughter before they had the chance to realize what was happening to them.. i will concede you & Obama have a point.. i mean, by the time they did come to their senses, it was not only too late to complain, but all it would have assured them of would have been the death penalty..

    besides, what good would complaining have done when the truth was unknown?? we are fortunate enough to have learned from history.. hence, we complain because, as so many of those who came before us didn’t, we have the truth, and will not walk silently to our demise..

    ==

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  • lance sephyr

    Israel is on a power trip that it thinks it can murder anyone whom it wants at will.
    The fact is that Israel has murdered thousands of Palestinians including children, women, old people, and others (with tens of thousands seriously injured), with every type of weapon platform possible ranging from Apache and helicopter gunships firing Hellfire missiles, to Merkava tanks, to artillery, to unmanned drones, to even snipers. Each and every time, Israel claims it was an accident or a tragic mistake etc.
    Meanwhile, Israel supporters keep up the nonsense about the Israeli army being the best army in the world, the most well-trained etc.
    Sheesh, every other professional army makes a mistake once or twice but not thousand of times over and over and over again without rectifying the problems.
    This is especially telling given the hundreds of billions of dollars that Israel has leeched from WE, The American Taxpayers for fifty plus years and still counting (when it is NOT even a third world country). Do we see Sweden and Norway and other similar sized countries coming to feed off the trough at the expense of ordinary hard-working Americans???
    Notwithstanding the blather of Israel supporters about how good the Israeli army is, given all the constant thousands of so-called accidents that it has, it leads to one of two conclusions:
    a. The Israeli army is either wilfully killing Palestinians civilians including children (over 3000 plus children alone under the age of 16), in a methodical and purposeful fashion in order to terrorize them into leaving their ancestral homes
    OR
    b. The Israeli Army is made up of an incompetent group of buffoons who can’t shoot straight and upon whom all the hundreds of billions of dollars in American aid has been completely wasted.
    I’ll let readers be the judge for themselves as Israel supporters cannot speak from both sides of their mouths anymore and given that Christians of conscience like myself will not be brwo beaten into silence any more by false smears of anti-Semitism or through the imposition of some sort of Holocaust blame by these Israel supporters!

  • bg

    ++

    if they were so “peaceful” why didn’t they allow
    the soldiers on board a & let them do their job..

    and then everything could have been squared
    away via Obama’s favorite means: DIALOGUE..

    evidently Obama doesn’t realize that DIALOGUE
    takes at least two willing participants.. hell=O??

    ==

  • bg

    ++

    lance sephyr @ 4:52 pm #68

    aah, a comedic relief drive bye..

    thanks, i needed a good laugh!!

    ==

  • Chisum

    Lance Sephyr = Useful Idiot

  • http://www.freegaza.org/ lance sephyr

    As I said before Israel’s seige of Gaza and the creation of a new Gaza Ghetto is a provocation against the world, against humanity, and against Christians as 30% of Palestinians are Christians.
    The siege of Gaza should be broken period without giving Israel any choice in the matter.
    There is absolutely no need to unload the cargoes of these ships in Israeli ports as that does not free the Palestinians from the prison that Israel has turned Gaza into.
    The only right that should be given to Israel to ensure that the cargo is of a humanitarian nature is to allow it to inspect the cargo before the ships leave port from different countries. That is a peaceful and fair approach and one that was offered to Israel by the Turkish government (which verified the nature of the cargo on the ships itself before they had left and before Israel murderously attacked the innocent passengers onboard).
    Many Christians of conscience like myself are now seriously considering participating in the next Freedom Flotilla to bring justice to the people of Gaza.
    It is not right but it is doing God’s good work to help those that cannot help themselves.
    There is no need for Christians of conscience to bow down the new false IDOL, namely, Israel, whatsoever.
    To this end and to ensure the peaceful dropping off of humanitarian aid to Gaza, I encourage other Christians of conscience to get involved in the Free gaza Movement and to actually participate in the great cause of emancipating fellow Christians and fellow human beings from being brutalized by Israel any further!!!

  • http://www.freegaza.org/ lance sephyr

    BG and others, glad you find my posts funny but ain’t life jest grand thet the truth will done set you free, heh,heh,heh….keep on reading boys as these are also going to go on many other Christian sites as I am also involved in the work of the Church intensely and am known for speaking the truth bluntly!!!
    Call me whatever you want but I do hope thet you enjoy readin”….heh,heh,heh…..

  • bg

    ++

    lance sephyr @ 5:16 pm #72

    re: [Gaza Ghetto ]

    ht TK @ 2:54 pm #15 via another thread..

    you were saying??

    oh btw, Israel makes a ghetto out of no place, HAMAS is in
    power there, ergo, you have any complaints, blame them!!

    ==

  • http://www.freegaza.org/ lance sephyr

    Duuuuh Hamas didn’t attack ships in international waters…..yer PRECIOUS (said to sound the way that Golem does it in the Lord of the Rings), did. PRECIOUS has bamboozled people of conscience for far too long because of the constant use of smears, false evocations of calling everyone a Nazi or anti-Semite et al.
    The reality is with its treatment and ongoing brutalizalization of millions of the Palestinian Semitic people, Israel is the biggest practitioner of anti-Semitism in the world today bar none!!
    Now go and call me whatever you want but false slurs jest ain’t gonna cut it no more!
    And incidentally, whether Palestinians or Americans, the people of those areas have the right to elect whomsover they chose notwithstanding the best efforts of PRECIOUS!!!!!

  • bg

    ++

    lance sephyr @ 5:21 pm #73

    re: [ain’t life jest grand thet the
    truth will done set you free]

    Happy Liberation Day to You!!

    the TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE, indeed..

    ==

  • http://www.freegaza.org/ lance sephyr

    Indeed it will notwithstanding the best efforts of “PRECIOUS”:

    http://www.freegaza.org/en/we-are-sailing-again-join-us

    The Truth will done set you free so all aboard the Freedom Flotilla….

    Heh,heh,heh…..

  • Chisum
  • bg

    ++

    lance sephyr @ 5:31 pm #75

    re: [Israel is the biggest practitioner of anti
    -Semitism in the world today bar none!!]

    oh, so the Arab nations have absolutely no input huh??

    The world’s collective amnesia

    [“The fact that there are these refugees is the direct consequence of the act of the Arab states in opposing partition and the Jewish state. The Arab states agree upon this policy unanimously and they must share in the solution of the problem.”

    – Emile Ghoury, secretary of the Palestinian Arab Higher
    Committee, in an interview with the Beirut Telegraph Sept.
    6, 1948.

    “The Arab state which had encouraged the Palestine Arabs to leave their homes temporarily in order to be out of the way of the Arab invasion armies, have failed to keep their promise to help these refugees.”

    – The Jordanian daily newspaper Falastin, Feb. 19, 1949.

    “Who brought the Palestinians to Lebanon as refugees, suffering now from the malign attitude of newspapers and communal leaders, who have neither honor nor conscience? Who brought them over in dire straits and penniless, after they lost their honor? The Arab states, and Lebanon amongst them, did it.”

    – The Beirut Muslim weekly Kul-Shay, Aug. 19, 1951.

    “For the flight and fall of the other villages it is our leaders who are responsible because of their dissemination of rumors exaggerating Jewish crimes and describing them as atrocities in order to inflame the Arabs … By spreading rumors of Jewish atrocities, killings of women and children etc., they instilled fear and terror in the hearts of the Arabs in Palestine, until they fled leaving their homes and properties to the enemy.”

    – The Jordanian daily newspaper Al Urdun, April 9, 1953.

    “The 15th May, 1948, arrived … On that day the mufti of Jerusalem appealed to the Arabs of Palestine to leave the country, because the
    Arab armies were about to enter and fight in their stead.”

    – The Cairo daily Akhbar el Yom, Oct. 12, 1963.]

    aah, you are way too easy..

    oh btw, their enemies are Semites too, go figure..

    (ps: those were just sample’s, you can do your
    own research, there’s more back up out there..)

    and you might have to play a bit until the link kicks in (ie: click refresh
    a few times) , but for any true truth seeker, it’s more than worth it.. :)

    ==

  • bg

    ++

    lance sephyr @ 5:38 pm #77

    in your zealous quest for truth, perhaps you missed this:

    2007–2010 blockade of the Gaza Strip

    [The Gaza Strip has been blockaded by Israel and Egypt since June 2007, when Hamas took control of the Palestinian territory in the course of a conflict with rival Palestinian group Fatah. It immediately followed the 2006-2007 economic sanctions against the Palestinian National Authority following the election of Hamas to the Palestinian government.

    The Gaza Strip has land borders with Israel and Egypt, and a sea border. Egypt and Israel largely keep their borders with the territory sealed. Israel allows only limited humanitarian supplies from aid organizations into the Strip. The amount of goods Israel allows into Gaza is one quarter of the pre-blockade flow. The Israeli navy maintains a sea blockade from three nautical miles offshore. Egypt is constructing an underground steel barrier to prevent circumvention of the blockade through smuggling tunnels.

    Israel maintains that the blockade is necessary to limit Palestinian rocket attacks from the Gaza Strip on its cities and to prevent Hamas from obtaining other weapons. Egypt maintains that it cannot open the Rafah crossing since opening the border would represent Egyptian recognition of the Hamas control of Gaza, undermine the legitimacy of the Palestinian Authority and consecrate the split between Gaza and the West Bank.]

    [standard disclaimer: source Wikipedia]

    ==

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  • bg

    ++

    Chisum @ 5:46 pm #78

    Heh,heh,heh…..indeed.. :)

    ==

  • http://www.freegaza.org/ lance sephyr

    Uhhhh, it wasn’t Egypt thet attacked the civilians on the Feedom Flotilla, dear lad – it was PRECIOUS!!
    Ohhh y’all wanna use quotes? Okay but puuuulease do give me a challenge, heh,heh,heh….
    I hope that you like the quotes of Israel’s leaders from day one on how they intended to ethnically cleanse the Palestinians from their ancestral land. Again the truth will done set you free and as a Christian it gives me great pleasure to share this information through so many forums as once the truth is out, it is out forever and will done set you free, heh,heh,heh:

    http://www.monabaker.com/quotes.htm

    MORE QUOTES…

    “We must expel Arabs and take their places.”
    — David Ben Gurion, 1937, Ben Gurion and the Palestine Arabs, Oxford University Press, 1985.

    “There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?”
    — Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp. 121-122.

    “Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population.”

    — Moshe Dayan, April 1969, Ha’aretz; quoted in Edward Said, ‘Zionism from the Standpoint of Its Victims’, Social Text, Volume 1, 1979, 7-58.

    “Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves … politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves… The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country.”
    — David Ben Gurion, quoted on pp 91-2 of Chomsky’s Fateful Triangle, which appears in Simha Flapan’s “Zionism and the Palestinians pp 141-2 citing a 1938 speech.

    “If I knew that it was possible to save all the children of Germany by transporting them to England, and only half by transferring them to the Land of Israel, I would choose the latter, for before us lies not only the numbers of these children but the historical reckoning of the people of Israel.”
    — David Ben-Gurion (Quoted on pp 855-56 in Shabtai Teveth’s Ben-Gurion in a slightly different translation).

    ——————————————————————————–

    David Ben Gurion
    Prime Minister of Israel
    1949 – 1954,
    1955 – 1963

    “There is no such thing as a Palestinian people… It is not as if we came and threw them out and took their country. They didn’t exist.”
    — Golda Meir, statement to The Sunday Times, 15 June, 1969.

    “How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to.”
    — Golda Meir, March 8, 1969.

    “Any one who speaks in favor of bringing the Arab refugees back must also say how he expects to take the responsibility for it, if he is interested in the state of Israel. It is better that things are stated clearly and plainly: We shall not let this happen.”
    — Golda Meir, 1961, in a speech to the Knesset, reported in Ner, October 1961

    “This country exists as the fulfillment of a promise made by God Himself. It would be ridiculous to ask it to account for its legitimacy.”
    — Golda Meir, Le Monde, 15 October 1971

    ——————————————————————————–

    Golda Meir
    Prime Minister of Israel
    1969 – 1974

    “We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?’ Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said ‘Drive them out!”
    — Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979.

    “[Israel will] create in the course of the next 10 or 20 years conditions which would attract natural and voluntary migration of the refugees from the Gaza Strip and the west Bank to Jordan. To achieve this we have to come to agreement with King Hussein and not with Yasser Arafat.”
    — Yitzhak Rabin (a “Prince of Peace” by Clinton’s standards), explaining his method of ethnically cleansing the occupied land without stirring a world outcry. (Quoted in David Shipler in the New York Times, 04/04/1983 citing Meir Cohen’s remarks to the Knesset’s foreign affairs and defense committee on March 16.)

    ——————————————————————————–
    Yitzhak Rabin
    Prime Minister of Israel
    1974 – 1977,
    1992 – 1995

    “[The Palestinians] are beasts walking on two legs.”

    — Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, “Begin and the ‘Beasts,”‘ New Statesman, June 25, 1982.

    “The Partition of Palestine is illegal. It will never be recognized …. Jerusalem was and will for ever be our capital. Eretz Israel will be restored to the people of Israel. All of it. And for Ever.”
    — Menachem Begin, the day after the U.N. vote to partition Palestine.

    ——————————————————————————–
    Menachem Begin
    Prime Minister of Israel
    1977 – 1983

    “The past leaders of our movement left us a clear message to keep Eretz Israel from the Sea to the River Jordan for future generations, for the mass aliya (=Jewish immigration), and for the Jewish people, all of whom will be gathered into this country.”
    — Former Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir declares at a Tel Aviv memorial service for former Likud leaders, November 1990. Jerusalem Domestic Radio Service.

    “The settlement of the Land of Israel is the essence of Zionism. Without settlement, we will not fulfill Zionism. It’s that simple.”
    — Yitzhak Shamir, Maariv, 02/21/1997.

    “(The Palestinians) would be crushed like grasshoppers … heads smashed against the boulders and walls.”
    — Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) Yitzhak Shamir in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988

    ——————————————————————————–
    Yizhak Shamir
    Prime Minister of Israel
    1983 – 1984,
    1986 – 1992

    “Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in China, when world attention focused on that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Arabs of the territories.”
    — Benyamin Netanyahu, then Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister, former Prime Minister of Israel, speaking to students at Bar Ilan University, from the Israeli journal Hotam, November 24, 1989.

    ——————————————————————————–
    Benjamin Netanyahu
    Prime Minister of Israel
    1996 – 1999

    “The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more”….
    — Ehud Barak, Prime Minister of Israel at the time – August 28, 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem Post August 30, 2000

    “If we thought that instead of 200 Palestinian fatalities, 2,000 dead would put an end to the fighting at a stroke, we would use much more force….”
    — Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak, quoted in Associated Press, November 16, 2000.

    “I would have joined a terrorist organization.”
    — Ehud Barak’s response to Gideon Levy, a columnist for the Ha’aretz newspaper, when Barak was asked what he would have done if he had been born a Palestinian.

    ——————————————————————————–

    Ehud Barak
    Prime Minister of Israel
    1999 – 2001

    “It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization, or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands.”

    — Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.

    “Everybody has to move, run and grab as many (Palestinian) hilltops as they can to enlarge the (Jewish) settlements because everything we take now will stay ours…Everything we don’t grab will go to them.”
    — Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of the Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, Nov. 15, 1998.

    “Israel may have the right to put others on trial, but certainly no one has the right to put the Jewish people and the State of Israel on trial.”

    — Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 25 March, 2001 quoted in BBC News Online

  • bg

    ++

    lance sephyr @ 5:31 pm #75

    re: [the right to elect whomsover they chose]

    Freedom is a two way street..

    we also have the right to reject them, most especially when
    they are a well known TERRORIST ORGANIZATION..

    and seeing as how you & Obama more or less share the same ideology
    on that front, my curiosity has been aroused, would you accept another Hitler??

    okay, that was a trick question.. since we have
    a wanna do it better than Hitler for president..

    but i’d still like an answer..

    ==

  • Chisum

    BG,

    I know we’ve had trolls who take statements out of context and I know we have the LOL Troll. But I don’t recall having a Chortling Troll. Foreign, at that.

    Do you?

  • http://www.freegaza.org/ lance sephyr

    Hitler was a demented nutcase and no a leader such as that would be unacceptable to me. Incidentally, did you know that Hitler had Jewish blood? In fact, let me help you out further by giving you a little reality check:
    Ashkenazim/European Jews on comparing Jewish versus Palestinian that suppored the Nazis:
    -Over 250 000 people of Jewish origin (whom the Nazis defined as Meshlinges), were members of the German army right up to General staff levels re. Generals of the German army
    – These Germans of Jewish origin (Meshlinges), often knew of and IGNORED, or actively and directly participated in the murder of millions of innocents (compare that to the perhaps 1000 Jews who were killed in Palestine in Jewish/Palestinian riots between 1880-1939).
    – Jews such as Avraham Stern (whom Israel honored with his own stamp), wanted to cooperate with the Nazis while millions of fellow Jews were being slaughtered to the point that he sent a letter to Hitler outlining how he could help to expel the British from Palestine. Israel supporters harping about some pathetic support offered to the Germans by Arab leaders should be reminded of the active role played by over 250000 Germans of Jewish origin.
    Now was that so hard to grasp, heh,heh,heh…
    You want me to put up information about Nazi ideology and what were their origins?
    As I said dear boy puuulease don’t make it sooooo easy fer l’il ole me, heh,heh,heh….

  • http://www.freegaza.org/ lance sephyr

    I meant that Hitler would be unacceptable to me….twist all that you want…

  • bg

    ++

    lance sephyr @ 6:10 pm #83

    so what it boils down to is the Arabs & Israelis more
    or less agreed it was the Arabs fault, go figure..

    lance sephyr @ 6:33 pm #86

    re: [Hitler was a demented nutcase and no a
    leader such as that would be unacceptable to me.]

    glad to hear it.. as for the history lesson, thanks.. and albeit i know a lot about it, it’s not my forte so to speak, hence, i won’t recall the specific
    trees in the forest per se, but what the forest on the whole represented..

    re: [Hitler had Jewish blood]

    didn’t know, don’t give a bats guano, he also claimed to be a Christian (again, mental shades of Obama).. anyways, whats’ your point, that Obama has Jewish blood (irony is, he probably does)?? 😀

    and i repeat:

    if they were so “peaceful” why didn’t they allow
    the soldiers on board a & let them do their job..

    and then everything could have been squared
    away via Obama’s favorite means: DIALOGUE..

    evidently Obama doesn’t realize that DIALOGUE
    takes at least two willing participants.. hell=O??

    ==

  • bg

    ++

    lance sephyr @ 7:05 pm #91

    idiot..

    ==

  • Chisum

    Lance,

    You are nothing but a spewer of lies.

    Go back to your anti-Israel forum.

    Your lies will gain no traction here.

  • bg
  • bg

    ++

    more fun..

    ‘They Need to Be Liberated From Their God’

    Son of Hamas Founder Condemns Islam

    “For 12 long years I lived within the narrow-minded confines of the ‘straightjacket world’ created by my strong belief that Elijah Muhammad was a messenger direct from God Himself, and my faith in what I now see to be a pseudo-religious philosophy that he preaches…. I shall never rest until I have undone the harm I did to so many well-meaning, innocent Negroes who through my own evangelistic zeal now believe in him even more fanatically and more blindly than I did.”

    ~ Malcolm X

    ==

  • wanumba

    Chisum
    June 2nd, 2010 | 5:11 pm | #71
    Lance Sephyr = Useful Idiot
    ……..

    No. Iranian tool. Iran controls Gaza, not the Israelis, they’ve just contained Iranian hegemony there.

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