Information Blackout on West Memphis Police Killers …Update: Relatives ID Killers (Photo & Video)
Posted by Jim Hoft on Friday, May 21, 2010, 6:17 AM
(Updated Below– This Story Is Really Weird.)
2 police officers were killed in West Memphis on Thursday. 2 more were injured.
The suspects were pulled over on a drug interdiction stop around noon on Interstate 40. The suspects shot the officers with AK-47s. A later report said the suspects used a rifle and a handgun in the killings.
One of the dead suspects is shown here in the parking lot of the West Memphis Walmart, site of the second shooting scene. (Commercial Appeal)
Since yesterday afternoon there has been a virtual blackout on information about the suspects. The white van the two were driving was listed as stolen and was originally owned by some white supremist-linked church in Ohio. The two suspects were originally reported as being Hispanic on FOX News but the authorities have not released any information on the killers after nearly 24 hours.
A wildlife officer rammed into the van in a Walmart parking lot.
THV reported:
Police tell Today’s THV a wildlife officer assisted in apprehending the suspects at Walmart. Sadler explains, “A very brave young wildlife officer in his state truck rammed the suspects vehicle preventing an exit of the suspects. There was a continued exchange of gun fire involving law enforcement officers. Those suspects were armed with a long rifle and a hand gun.”
Investigators have refused to name the suspects, say where they’re from or even give their race or nationality.
I’ve contacted the Arkansas state police and will update this post when I hear something.
Of course, please keep the families of these officers in your thoughts and prayers.
UPDATE———–
The two killers are thought to be a father and son from Ohio.
The Commercial Appeal reported:
People claiming to be relatives of the two, however, told The Commercial Appeal they could identify them from numerous videos and photographs taken at the crime scene and available on Memphis media websites. They identified the men as Jerry Kane, 45, of Ohio and his 16-year-old son, Joseph.
Kane’s own website (Here) this morning bears a note indicating the two were “shot down” by law enforcement in West Memphis.
Attempts to verify the information led to a woman named Donna Lee in central Florida who said she was married to Jerry Kane and that Joe, as she called him, was her 16-year-old stepson. She wanted to emphasize Joseph Kane is a minor. She said the white minivan belonged to Jerry and was positive from photos and videos from the scene that the two unidentified dead suspects were Jerry and Joe Kane — and that the dog she saw exiting the minivan was a labrador-rottweiler mix named Olie.
The shelter in West Memphis confirms that there was another dog found in the van, something police had not made public. The family said that dog, who was found dead, is named Little Missy. Lee also said that Joe’s mother died three years ago and said her name was Hope.
A background check of Jerry Kane shows that he had been married to a woman named Hope.
When she saw the news footage of the shootings in West Memphis on Thursday, Donna Lee said she knew.
The lifeless body of a boyish-looking suspect in front of a white minivan, she said she is sure, is that of her 16-year-old stepson. She said she believes he was handcuffed. The white Plymouth Voyager minivan, she is positive, belongs to the man she calls her husband, Jerry Kane.
Lee said Jerry Kane owned an AK-47 and carried it with him on trips because he liked taking it to local shooting ranges.
Lee insists that Jerry and Joe Kane were doing good work, helping people with financial troubles keep their homes.
“They were literally staying in hotels all over the country so they could help people stay in their homes,” Lee said.
They traveled the country to help people with foreclosure issues? And, he was driving around in a stolen car?
That’s a bit strange.
Here’s video of Joe Kane giving a foreclosure seminar:
They’re asking for donations on the killer’s website to pay for his funeral.
Kane’s YouTube webpage includes videos on karate, UFO’s and physical healers.
UPDATE: The website blames the police:
Bombshell
Last month, Jerry was stopped on I40 in New Mexico and arrested for not having a drivers license. He recently completed his administrative process for the unlawful arrest.
Coincidence?
I40 sounds like the good ole boy stretch-of-highway, where if they spot you, and they already dont like you, you’could get killed. Even if you are just a Dad and son with your two dogs on your way home, minding your own business.
Let’s face it. If there wasn’t a “traffic stop” no one would be dead!
Why is that not surprising?
…So Jerry Kane was helping people keep their homes but he’s traveling around the country with an expired license, possibly stolen plates and living in a car with two dogs and a AK47 under his pillow?
Weird.
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Seansie commented:
Hoped they robbed the corpse. Even he only had a few bucks (or pesos), it’s the principle of the thing.
Bob commented:
News blackout could mean they are mulism. But most people don’t open up on the police with AK’s
Pray for the police officers families
David Johnson commented:
Don’t worry, Señor Wences will address our Congress and find a way to blame it on us:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AaIDmiFXmo
Kevin P commented:
That boy lying on the ground doesn’t look Hispanic or Middle Eastern to me. Looks like a white supremacist.
If they are non-Hispanic I feel betrayed by the way this story was initially reported. I expect more from Fox.
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gus commented:
The suspect looks so peaceful.
crosspatch commented:
“Investigators have refused to name the suspects, say where they’re from or even give their race or nationality.”
In my experience, that means either that the information would have some major political implications OR that these two are the tip if some iceberg and the police are still looking for more people and need to keep some details quiet.
bg commented:
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God, i hope they find out exactly what went down, as i have had a knot in the pit of my stomach ever since viewing the picture of that very young looking man lying there that something is not right..
but then again, we did suffer the Muhammad & Malvo awakening.. not to mention Islamists being well known for using boy soldiers, unfortunately,
i could go on.. *sigh*
aah, patience..
and if i recall correctly, they said that the chiefs son was killed by one of the
perps, but perhaps, and i highly doubt it, but what if, by an extremely long
shot, they got it backwards, and the chiefs son was one of the perps killed??
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redc1c4 commented:
i wonder where the license plate on the van went?
also, an Ohio van in Arkansas, owned by a white supremacist church? something weird is going on with all this…..
antilbr commented:
If its got to do with drugs theres a 90% chance these aholes were hispanic.A 95% chance they were illegal.BOY obamas speech writer will have a hard time spinning this one for obama and his mini me calderon.I can here them now “I dont know how to cover this up mr president” Obama: Thats ok we,ll just blame bush…….
bg commented:
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unless it either fell or was shot off, there’s obviously no license plate on the vehicle, yet they were supposedly pulled over for a drug interdiction stop?? and we’re also told it was stolen for a white-supremacists whatever?? gah, another testament to truth being stranger than fiction if it is true..
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redc1c4 commented:
from the video cap and the van pic, i’d say that’s him…. looks like Jerry is now in the lead for the posthumous “Father of the Year” award.
what kind of person raises a child to be in a situation like this? the mind boggles.
bg commented:
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re: bg #11
stolen for = stolen from
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bg commented:
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thanks for the father and son from Ohio update:
re: bg #7
“whew” on that ..
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Kevin P commented:
WTF???
olm commented:
What an odd story and odd blackout.
There seems to be a lot of odd stories lately. Like the 18 yo in Houston who went to Mexico to learn to be a coyote.
I hope they give more details about this one. It seems strange though, that if this is from a white supremist church or anything similar why the blackout. Those are two groups the media loves to broadcast.
Kevin P commented:
Could it be possible that the van that was “caught” in the Wal-Mart parking lot was not the same vehicle involved in the shooting?
I’m serious in asking this – I have not been able to get the videos to play regarding this incident. I would be very grateful if someone could help me out here.
Thanks.
Valerie commented:
Very strange story.
Smells like fraud, so far.
olm commented:
Did you read the website? Wow, according to the website the father and son were two beautiful people shot for no reason. Something doesn’t pass the smell test.
Knave commented:
I have real bad feeling about this one. Can anyone tell me what year that van is?
Joanne commented:
This is so bizarre. I don’t like that picture of the 16 year old at all – that is horrific. I don’t think pictures of dead people should be shown anyhow, but one of a 16 year old…..no way.
bg commented:
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re: [She said she believes he was handcuffed.]
that’s exactly what ran through my mind as i questioned
myself as to why they would “handcuff a dead person”??
or is handcuffing dead people “normal procedure” & this
is just the first time in my over 65 years i’ve witnessed it??
thanks..
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Mrs. X commented:
If the boy is dead on the ground, why is he also cuffed? This is a very strange story.
Kevin P commented:
Ruby Ridge?
I agree with you Joanne #21 – from the first I saw the picture of him lying on the ground I did not like the picture. My goodness though – he does look handcuffed.
WTF???
kpn commented:
Not unusual at all to cuff on the scene until pronounced by the coroner.
Auntie Em commented:
I don’t think he is handcuffed.
But then, how many photos like this are ever released of dead suspects??
Somethings not right.
I’m not buying the white-supremicist bit at all. Drugs, yes! Racial mumbo-jumbo, no! Just another attempt to tack it on the “Tea Party” the media has created for themselves.
Knave commented:
I hust reviewed the vid http://www.wmctv.com/global/category.asp?c=151146&clipId=&topVideoCatNo=15040&topVideoCatNoB=105461&topVideoCatNoC=117912&topVideoCatNoD=169582&topVideoCatNoE=106890&autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=4802688&flvUri=&partnerclipid=
They cropped out the part where the kid was pulled out. Was he already cuffed?
Kevin P commented:
Knave #27 – thanks for that post. The boy was NOT handcuffed when they pulled him out.
Kevin P commented:
Knave #27 – thanks for posting that link! The boy was NOT handcuffed when pulled from the van.
Kevin commented:
We are trained to handcuff suspects, even if we think they are, or may be, expired. Reason being that once a crime scene is static, nothing can be touched, including any firearms the suspect may have been wielding, and since they might be on the ground very near the suspect or even still in his hand, until they are pronounced by the coroner, better safe than sorry. I’ve seen more than one ‘dead’ suspect start to move again.
It’s a standard officer safety procedure.
olm commented:
That is some video and no the kid is not handcuffed when they pull him out of the van.
What struck me though is how shot up the van is, that there is no plate and where are the dead policemen?
Doesn’t look like a traffic stop to me.
xcvxcvxcv commented:
Knave
May 21st, 2010 | 10:52 am | #20
I have real bad feeling about this one. Can anyone tell me what year that van is?
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I think something is weird about this too, the first thing that was reported was that the 2 people killed were illegal aliens.. where did that come from and why was it reported like that? Something is f’d up about this, when i watched the video and saw the dog jumping out of the car i thought something was strange..
Kevin P commented:
olm #31 – from my understanding the original traffic stop was in a diff. location. I could be wrong – but I’m finding it difficult to sift through the piece-meal reports that have come out.
Kevin P commented:
Why did all to officers on the one side of the van run away at one time? Did they realize that they were in a “polish firing squad” formation?
Bill Gannon commented:
The post-injury/mortality hand-cuffing is normal procedure. The rear license plate could have been shot off or knocked off when the “wildlife officer” rammed the van. Since the van at Walmart and the van on the freeway both had their rear windows blasted out I suspect they are probably the same. The comments on the web site are self-serving and biased, so believe them at your own peril.
From what was said about his “troubles” in New Mexico it seems possible he’s one of those nutjobs who thinks drivers license laws are unconstitutional, etc. Carrying around an AK-47 with a chip on his shoulder against law enforcement it not a great way to make one’s retirement policy pay off.
Absolutely a rotten shame about the kid and the cops. I predict this incident will now be used in some jurisdictions to justify CPS types taking teenagers out of certain “supremacists” households. Whether justified or not.
Knave commented:
Yep, Kevin, about 2 miles away and 90 minutes earlier. Time enough to discard the plate, but why wouldn’t they grab one from the parking lot? Maybe they were in the process. I just hope they got the right guys.
Kevin commented:
Just watched the video. Probably they ran from the original spot of the traffic stop. The only strange thing I saw was some really awful tactics used by the officers on the ground when they were clearing the vehicle. Terrible cross fire issues and just way too many of them coming up on the vehicle, really bad tactically.
archer52 commented:
bg-
Yes, handcuffing “dead” people can be policy, if the dead person is obviously dead, i.e. part of head missing, then no. but shot up, yes. Nothing worse than someone playing possum and jumping up behind you in a “cleared area”.
Now if the two are nutjob white supremacists types that is going to happen on occasion. It will give Obama’s people talking points again.
So what? They don’t play by any rules, so if it happens for real or is made up it doesn’t matter. Dealing with Obama’s press spin is like that old joke about being asked a question you can’t answer the right way such as “Have quit beating your wife?” There is no good answer that doesn’t make you look guilty.
gus commented:
Foreclosures. There is your narative.
THAT IS ALL.
Knave commented:
I noticed that, too, Kevin. I one guy in the dark clothes was out of position and the others were all lined up. What if these guys were the type to think licenses were voluntary and just happened to be in the same make as the perps? That’ll get ugly real fast. The ballistics ought to tell the story on that AK (I’m sure they mean SKS)
archer52 commented:
In looking at his videos, it is becoming obvious he is one of the guys who thinks they can ignore the rules of society because of the “laws” are suspect. This type of person doesn’t believe in the Fed, doubts currency, that banks have the right to foreclose, etc. Wesley Snipes was playing around with this type for a while, not wanting to pay his income taxes.
What is so frustrating to me is they never end up chasing who they thinks is really responsible for the “one world government” and other offenses, but always end up shooting it out with some poor street cop trying to do his job.
The saddest thing is that the cops probably agree in principle with half of their arguments. The government is too intrusive. There are people who are manipulating markets at that detriment of our savings. But it isn’t that poor guy pulling you over for a bad tag or no D.L.! All he is doing is enforcing the laws society deems necessary, like having a drivers license. If you don’t want to have one, then walk, ride a bike or buy a horse.
Sadly, that sixteen year old probably knew nothing different and followed his dad to hell, for no other reason than today was the day his dad decided to make a point.
Dumb**s…
Andreas K. commented:
Waiting for the gun control crowd so scream in 3… 2… 1…
Because gun control would have prevented this. Yep! Totally! Not.
If it would work, why are cops in the UK wearing bullet proof vests? I was visiting the police memorial near Horse Guards’ and they have a page open in the book of honor, showing bobbies who died in the line of duties and on that one page, one third of the officers has been shot to death on duty, despite the strict gun laws in the UK.
I don’t feel sorry for the two jerks. The only sad thing here is the death of the two officers.
Ebayer commented:
Sounds like this guy got the confrontation he was looking for.
Marsh commented:
The reality is he was a libertarian, Ron Paul, Alex Jones, NWO, 9/11 was an inside job, conspiracy theorist nutter. I’ve noticed quite a few of these people on the fringes of the right. They need to be comfronted and dealt with because the leftist media loves to harp on this stuff in order protray all tea party types as dangerous whackjobs. And the truth is some of them are. These people are being brainwashed with this “the government is out to get you” world view which leads to unhealthy behavior – such as shooting police because they’re the agents of “them”… Some of these people need to be reached out to and brought back from the brink of lsoing their minds. Yes, the UN sucks. Yes, big government is a bad thing. Yes, civil liberties are important. But that doesn’t mean the UN is plotting to kidnap you in a black helicopter, inject you with mind controlling vaccinies and stash you in a FEMA camp. These people need some sense knocked into them before they go off the deep end like these 2. And as conservatives we should make sure we always carefully qualify our legitimate critcisms of the government as not an incitement to wage actual war against the governemnt. We need to come out more forcefully against some of the extremist elements of side of the political spectrum.
Gman commented:
Let’s face it. If there wasn’t a “traffic stop” no one would be dead!
Let’s face it, if he didn’t decide to shoot two cops with an AK nobody would be dead.
Tim C commented:
Jim, his youtube subscriptions lead me to believe he is a libertarian. http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=VictoriaWarrior&view=subscriptions
Look out for the MSM fallout to occur on this attacking 2nd amendment, and the right.
Greg H commented:
Yes, you handcuff “dead” people in those situations. You don’t have time to check and be 100% sure they are dead. So you assume everyone is alive and you treat them accordingly until EMS arrives.
gus commented:
What is the downside to handcuffing this filth?
Anyone?
Beuhler?
Valerie commented:
Marsh
May 21st, 2010 | 11:57 am | #45
…I’ve noticed quite a few of these people on the fringes of the right. …
Oh, both sides have them. Screwballs will latch at random onto a political issue, and the voices in their heads will babble all kinds of things.
Your point, though, that “And as conservatives we should make sure we always carefully qualify our legitimate critcisms of the government as not an incitement to wage actual war against the governemnt” applies all over the spectrum.
bg commented:
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Knave 11:04 am #27
it looks to me like they handcuffed him right after they pulled
him from the car, then they dragged him away from the car..
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AJ commented:
I dont know….something about this whole situation smells funny. Why is there an info blackout? Where were these two guys going to/ coming from? Who opened fire on whom? Why? Why would the police not explain what happened?
The guy did seem to be into conspiracy theories a bit, but im not sure what that has to do with anything. He doesnt seem to have been a hardened criminal waiting for an opportunity to get in a shoot out with the police.
Until the truth comes out im not going to assume anything.
Militant Conservative commented:
comment reserved, not enough data..
Patrolman commented:
New Vienna was home to the white supremist church led by Radfairen. Several departments in SW Ohio had “problems” with this group, home made vehicle licenses, false liens filed on property etc. Two of their illustrious members were the brothers in the Wilmington shootout with troopers in 1997.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hk9zC6PzpqI
Knave commented:
The media came up with the “hispanic” angle and the Ayran church angle… my guess is they got it from the police scanner. The van at the Wal-Mart didn’t have plates-probably never did. They can’t name the suspects because they aren’t in custody yet.
HandyBill commented:
Not a lot of info, but odd to have the media blackout for this long…
Nothing against the cops in this case but if he has had run-ins with them before, they could have been gunning for him? Any way you put it, sad situation on all sides.
Knave commented:
Kane’s website is down… somebody tell me how to do a screen capture, please.
HandyBill commented:
“The media came up with the “hispanic” angle and the Ayran church angle… my guess is they got it from the police scanner. The van at the Wal-Mart didn’t have plates-probably never did. They can’t name the suspects because they aren’t in custody yet.”
Think this might be mistaken identity?
Knave commented:
“Think this might be mistaken identity?”
It’s pretty easy to mistake an identity when you don’t use plates or a DL…
Patrolman commented:
Jerry Kane and his son Joe Kane, of Springfield, Ohio. They were driving a white van registered to a “church” in New Vienna, Ohio, owned by Hoge Tabor. Those familiar with the white supremacist underground will recognize the address of the church, formerly used by the Aryan Nations and its local leader Ray Redfeairn. Remember the Kehoe brothers and the shootout in Wilmington, Ohio? They were in Ohio to meet with Redfeairn. Remember Kale Kelly and his plot to blow up a federal building and kill Morris Dees. Also a member of this church.
Knave commented:
I understand your point, Patrolman. What I infer is the only way the media could have checked the van registration is from the police scanner– the Wal-Mart van had no plate in the video. It is possible they tossed them, but they had plenty of time to steal new ones. Why drive around with none unless it’s what you always do.
I’m sticking with two vans for now.
Patrolman commented:
Knave.
Do not know all of the details, can only provide some background and personal experience in dealing with members of this Aryan Nation “church”.
not binded by msm commented:
You people should do some research before you jump to conclusions. He was a god fearing man, and believed in the 2nd amendment. He was a gun enthusiast and loved shooting guns legal. He also helped hundreds of people through out the US from foreclosures and oppressive government. This was a retaliation killing by the government. Did you all happened to notice that the license plates were removed, hmmm i wander why that is?? yeah terrorist and common thugs drive around in MINIVANS! with their kids, looking for trouble! duh… Don’t just blindly believe what the main stream media shoves down your throat, do some damn research for a change and get enlightened.
Knave commented:
Oh I think you are correct about the Ayrans being the perps here. Thay broadcasted the Ohio plate number and all. I’m just wondering if these mopes just happened by sans plates and got caught in the crossfire. S*** happens, ya know.
wanumba commented:
THe media is dangerously incompetent. It took TWO days for a mob of reporters at Ft Hood to produce the correct facts. How hard is it?
They report rumor and excited comments of bystanders and half the time they report the uninformed consenses amongst themselves as they sit around. Just crap that promotes hysteria.
“That boy lying on the ground doesn’t look Hispanic or Middle Eastern to me. Looks like a white supremacist”
HOW does one deduce this unless one thinks ALL whites (100%) are supremacists? It’s a CHOICE, not a “race” or an ethnicity. Call someone a “supremacist” from the get-go and it taints all subsequent reporting and analysis.
Knave commented:
You’re right about that. Example:
“The white Dodge Caravan van used by the two suspects is registered to the House Of God’s Prayer in New Vienna in Clinton County.”
http://www.wlwt.com/news/23627791/detail.html
Notice it says Caravan. Now look at this:
http://www.canadian-money-advisor.ca/forsale/1998-Plymouth-Voyager3.jpg
That looks more like the van in the parking lot.
Wille T. commented:
To go along with the “two vans” logic I suppose that the officers shot the innocent guys at the SECOND shootout mistakenly. Maybe they were looking for the wrong guys at the wrong shootout and should have been waved off by the second pair of cops getting shot.
Literacy is a good thing…try it.
Kevin P commented:
wanumba #67 – “That boy lying on the ground doesn’t look Hispanic or Middle Eastern to me. Looks like a white supremacist”
What I meant by that is – to the MSM – if you’re white, you’re a white supremacist – unless you’re a demoKKKrat.
Arkansas commented:
The information “blackout” is only official procedure when the Arkansas State Police is conducting an investigation. They will not release any information until it has been thorougly investigated and confirmed to be true. Some people on the phone saying, “Yep, that’s Jerry & Joe” is certainly not official, though it is likely correct.
As for the claims that they were reported as Hispanic illegals, the local (Memphis) news stations never reported such. Maybe ya’ll were watching national news. The reports of a possible link to white supremacists came from Ohio where the van is officially registered to a church with ties to white supremacists.
Watch a little of this guy’s seminar video. He doesn’t seem to be white supremacist, but is certainly anti-government – cash money is only a promisory note; drivers licenses are a bond; ways to sidestep foreclosures, taxes, etc.
It’s sad that his extremism and paranoia got his son killed. (and one dog, the other is recovering from a gunshot at a local shelter.)
Opaobie commented:
(and one dog, the other is recovering from a gunshot at a local shelter.)…Jeeeeeeeze, they chased the poor dog to a local shelter and SHOT it?….oh, you mean….
Huh, I guess reports can get a little confusing when the facts are still unknown and speculation is going viral……
gawntrail commented:
The ‘badging’ on that van looks like its a Caravan. Looking right of the liftgate handle its uniform, the Voyager has more of a ‘signature’ look.
I would like to hear some of the facts.
Its also odd that there is no ‘air’ footage of this ‘chase’. I know in LA, any whiff of a chase coming over the scanner and the newsies are stacking up all over trying to get footage.
And, if this thing happened on the Tennessee side how is it two WEST Memphis PD guys are dead. Or am I misinformed about where this thing started?
And were they in uniform? Driving a cruiser? Was this an undercover thing gone all bad?
The reason I ask this is there is MAJOR criminal activity all over those truck stops in that area. Its a major crossroads of the I-40 (East/West) and I-55 (North/South). So just about anything from lot lizard prostitution to major narcotics could be going on at any time.
I really hope this is not a wrong place wrong time thing.
More facts would put a lot of this stuff to bed.
Adirondack Patriot commented:
They were definitely white persons. If they were anything but white people, Al Sharpton would already be on scene.
olm commented:
I hate to admit it but it did cross my mind what #64 said, but if this guy was such a great guy why are there 2 officers dead?
Mike commented:
What the heck is a “drug interdiction stop”?
Is this some kind of random stop of random cars with no warrant?
bg commented:
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here is what was stated about that
WHITE SUPREMACIST inference..
The white van the two were driving was listed as stolen (not why they were stopped) and was originally owned (a few freakin’ decades ago for all we know, who reported it STOLEN, who OWNS the van now, and what is the RELEVANCY??) by some white supremist-linked (so what?? it was STOLEN, hello??) church in Ohio (not only IRRELEVANT, but who knows or cares if the supposed original owners stolen car was linked to some church in Ohio somewhere is still even standing.. idiots!!)
imho, it was not only meant to distract, but to indirectly focus attention on the opposition in case it was yet another fellow LEFTIST/s, DEMOCRAT/s or ISLAMARXIST/s, par the course, perpetrator/s..
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bg commented:
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Mike @ 3:35 pm #76
good question..
here you go..
sure makes one wonder why they
were suspect in the first place..
and this is just a guess, but i’d say there’s something HUGE going down in Memphis.. as i never saw so many officers so readily available at the same time in the same spot in my life..
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Who Cares About These Punks? commented:
Which part of “they opened up on the police with an AK-47″ does no one get? Screw these two and whatever twisted “mission” they were on.
Literally nothing to see here…..
bg commented:
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#78 clarification re: Memphis
just in case..
that’s West Memphis Arkansas..
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bg commented:
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Who Cares About These Punks? @ 4:01 pm #79
while i can only speak for myself, i don’t believe anyone in here is sympathetic to anyone who kills, even less, if that’s at all possible,
if their victims are those on sworn to serve & protect ‘we the people’
in the course of doing their duty..
however, i do think we have the right to question
the not so logical reports about what went down..
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bg commented:
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duh, re: bg #81
those on sworn = who’ve sworn
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sarainitaly commented:
i am watching the videos and this guy was insane. and who are these whack jobs that listened to him? he’s talking about beating people up?
and he doesn’t sound like he knows what the heck he is talking about…
bg commented:
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thank you to all who replied
to my “handcuff” question..
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sarainitaly commented:
total scam artists
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/05/21/national/main6507822.shtml
sarainitaly commented:
i left a comment that didn’t show up that said from their web site it looks like a big scam to get money. After reading the cbs story, it sure sounds like that is the case. they were con artists, and who ever set up the web site asking for money for the funeral are cons as well.
these guys murdered two cops and shot two others, and their family is asking for money?
bg commented:
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gawntrail @ 2:48 pm #73
re: [Its also odd that there is
no ‘air’ footage of this ‘chase’.]
there should also be footage of the stop taken from the officers car cam..
but seeing as how one of the officers was the chiefs son, they’re probably keeping the disrespectful vultures, i mean tabloidists away from this one.. well for now, while they gather and review all of the evidence anyways..
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anti-gov commented:
“The website blames the police”
Government gets what government does.
anti-gov commented:
This is Obama’s police state folks.
bg commented:
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clarification re: bg #88
i didn’t mean to imply that they wouldn’t be doing exactly what they’re doing now for any other officer.. i just meant they’re probably a tad more sensitive considering one of the officers killed was the son of their chief..
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sarainitaly commented:
i don’t think there was a “chase” – I think they killed the cops and took off. cops later found them at wal-mart.
http://www.wdtn.com/dpp/news/local/clark/Springfield-men-kill-Memphis-cops
http://tinyurl.com/3a6crlp
SJ Reidhead commented:
I find the Lincoln County part absolutely fascinating.
SJR
The Pink Flamingo
Old Buckeye commented:
From Findlay, Ohio, Courier:
A father and son suspected of killing two Arkansas police officers, and who were later killed themselves during a shootout in West Memphis, Ark. on Thursday, used to live in Forest in Hardin County, according to the State Highway Patrol.
Jerry Kane, 45, and his 16-year-old son Joseph, of Springfield, Ohio and formerly of 312 E. Lima St., Forest, have been identified by relatives and friends as the suspects in the shootings that killed two members of the West Memphis Police Department, according to a report from The Commercial Appeal newspaper in Memphis, Tenn.
The Kanes moved from their Forest residence about eight years ago, according to Burl and Jennie Hemmerly, who lived across the street from the family.
“He said he belonged to the militia and they had all kinds of guns and things,” said Jennie Hemmerly.
According to an Associated Press report, the suspects opened fire on police with AK-47 assault rifles after they were pulled over on a busy Arkansas interstate.
“That’s the way he believed,” Jennie Hemmerly said. “He said we will shoot to kill. We don’t shoot to injure and we will overcome the government.”
Hemmerly said she had heard reports on television news about the shootings, and once a photo appeared of Kane, she knew it was the man who had lived next door to her for five or six years.
“We are the only ones who ever talked to them. Everybody else just plain ignored them,” she said.
The Kane house has since been torn down.
Investigators say after the police shootings, the two suspects sped away in the van, only to be found 90 minutes later at a nearby Walmart parking lot, where they were killed in a shootout with police, the Associated Press reports.
Jerry Kane “always said they were going to take over the government,” Burl Hemmerly said. Joseph Kane, known as Joe, was just a boy when the family moved from Forest, he said.
“The little boy, he was a swell kid,” he said. “I am sure he was influenced.”
Authorities said the two suspects, armed with Russian-made assault rifles, ambushed and killed Sgt. Brandon Paudert, 39, and Officer Bill Evans, 38, after the officers stopped a minivan on Interstate 40 in east Arkansas.
“In what was probably only a few minutes, Officer Evans was shoved to the ground and the men in the minivan started shooting at both officers,” Assistant Police Chief Mike Allen said.
Later, authorities spotted the minivan with Ohio plates in the parking lot of a nearby Walmart, and a wildlife officer rammed the van with his car. Dozens of officers swarmed the vehicle and both suspects were shot and killed, authorities said.
During that shootout, Crittenden County Sheriff Dick Busby was shot in the arm and his chief deputy, W.A. Wren, was shot in the abdomen, authorities said. Both were in serious condition Friday, a spokeswoman at the Regional Medical Center in Memphis said.
Courier reporter Jordan Cravens and The Associated Press contributed to this report.
bg commented:
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sarainitaly @ 6:55 pm #92
[It's not clear why the two men
were stopped by the officers.]
true.. but still, don’t the officers car cams keep running whether
they are at a full stop or in a high speed chase?? ie: 6:25 mark
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wanumba commented:
Kevin P
May 21st, 2010 | 2:11 pm | #70
wanumba #67 – “That boy lying on the ground doesn’t look Hispanic or Middle Eastern to me. Looks like a white supremacist”
What I meant by that is – to the MSM – if you’re white, you’re a white supremacist – unless you’re a demoKKKrat.
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Sorry! Agree totally.
J commented:
I use to live by the Kanes years ago in Springfield ohio. Jerry was a strange cookie if I must say so myself. He thought he was above the law and that the laws did not apply to him. He taught his son the same. He refused to send him to school as it would poison his mind. He was in court many times over dog issues and I believe not cleaning up his property. He use to have signs in his yard downing law enforcement and once even threating a judge. I feel sorry for his son who he brainwashed into believeing in his sick views. He created a monster. I do not agree with the pic of the boy laying dead next to the van, that is horrific and should be taken down. But I do agree that they had to be stopped before they killed anymore people. As for their website saying that they were both targeted and innocent people. Then what was a 16 year old child doing with firearms shooting at cops for???? This world is a sad place!!!
bg commented:
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J @ 10:22 pm #97
in essence, he’s responsible for killing his own son as well..
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sarainitaly commented:
oh yea, there should most definitely be car cam footage from the original stop. i was just commenting that i don’t think there was an actual car chase, but i’m not positive.
olm commented:
Sounds like some sick individuals.
I’m very sad for the dead officers and their families.
WM homegirl commented:
the van was stopped at an exit ramp by the officers for no tags or license plate.they shot and killed both officers immediately and fled down the service road.they turned into Walmart parking lot where the van was rammed and stopped.they opened fire again in a blaze of ammo where the incident ended. sad day for our community.these young men who protect and serve our city were family guys and had young kids as well.they were doing their job like any normal day. Rest in peace Brandon and Bill.
WM homegirl commented:
also shot in the incident were our County Sheriff and his Deputy.However they were luckier and will survive this brutal day.
Jacob C. commented:
The Hutaree militia “cop killer” case has now proven to be almost completely B.S.. I think some folks here need to wait for further information before blindly cheering law enforcement’s actions.
J commented:
It is a sad day when law enforcement officers die trying to protect us. I am sure if they could of they would have shot many more people, including civilians. They were like a time bomb waiting to go off. It is a shame how sick minded people can be and then drag there kids into their own sick beliefs. Joe was a good kid too bad his father ruined him.
garhighway commented:
Does everyone now get that this was a right-wing nutcase and his kid that shot and killed a couple of cops?
Not illegal immigrants, not Muslims, but members of the “Patriot movement” that went around preaching that you don’t have to pay your taxes?
Chisum commented:
Garhighway,
You wouldn’t be pushing a meme, now would you?
Old Media: Democrats = Moderate, Republicans = Extremist
http://rightwingnews.com/2010/05/old-media-democrats-moderate-republicans-extremist/
Joe commented:
Looks like they were 2 rigth wing christian conservative extremist who gunned down 2 cops earlier that day. THe way you wrote it sounded like they were2 liberal community organizers. Boy you really are a dunce cap. THey were more like you and the rest of your right wing christian conservatives readers. Boy you must be proud of you fellow patriots!!! Another epic fail by the pundit. Damn the truth just type away to fit your narrow minds view. Good grief you are really an amazing failure.
Chisum commented:
Joe,
Right wing christian conservatives?
Do you have a link backing that up?
http://www.fox8.com/news/wjw-sns-ap-us-arkansas-officers-shot,0,2143545.story