That Was Quick… Forget the Dialogue & Civility- Angry Coffee Party Mob Wants Blood!
Posted by Jim Hoft on Saturday, April 24, 2010, 4:30 PM
THE TALK IS OVER…
The leftist astroturfed Coffee Party Club advertised that they wanted to sit, sip coffee and discuss the important issues facing the country. This leftist group, founded by a top Obama Campaign official and based in Washington DC, is one of the latest groups founded in reaction to the tea party movement, a conservative group backed by 48% of Americans.
The Coffee Party group claimed to be “brewed but not steamed” and wanted civility to be their first order.
But, that dialogue thingy was so last month…
It took the Coffee Party leftists exactly one month to drop the civility schtick and reveal their true inner feelings.
THEY’RE MAD AS HELL AND WANT TO GET EVEN!
Newsweek reported:
When Annabel Park imagined what it would be like to head a new national political movement, here is what she had in mind: a coming together of engaged, intelligent citizens who had tired of the angry rhetoric and accusations of the Tea Partiers; Americans of all political persuasions joining in a spirit of equanimity to discuss the nation’s problems, and maybe even share a laugh. It was this beautiful vision that danced in Park’s head on a recent Saturday as she made her way to Busboys and Poets, a cafe in Washington, D.C., for one of nearly 500 Coffee Party meetings taking place nationwide that day. She knew the house would be full—word had spread quickly on the group’s swelling Facebook page. Park, a documentary filmmaker, was especially pleased that C-Span had arranged to broadcast the meeting.
But from the moment folks in the crowd stood up to speak their minds, Park knew these people had not come to sip cappuccinos and set an example of civility for an overheated nation. They were angry. They hated the Tea Party, and the Republican Party. They wanted to get even. One audience member said America was under the thumb of oligarchs and denounced “moneyed interests.” A few people hissed when Sarah Palin’s name was mentioned. Also on hand were the usual suspects drawn to the C-Span bat signal. A man representing Code Pink, the left-wing protest group, said that “racism was the basis for everything that’s going on right now.” He also seemed to have a real problem with “fear-based rhetoric” and Northrop Grumman.
Park, a 42-year-old Korean-American with a smile that can only be described as “kind,” regularly tried to steer the talk back to the group’s more centrist principles. But when someone asked how many people in the room were Republicans, all 80 hands remained down. “I like the civility idea, but I hate the Tea Party people,” said attendee Karen Anderson. By the end of the event, some in the crowd had decided the movement, barely two months old at the time, needed a new leader. China Dickerson, a 26-year-old community organizer, said the Coffee Party wouldn’t last “unless we get someone a little more powerful to head it.” She wanted a rabble-rouser, “not someone that says we can all work together.” Park seemed a little rattled after the meeting. “If they want to fire me, this may not be the group for them,” she said later. “We don’t want conflict and confrontation.”
It looks like caffeine and raving liberalism is a violent mix.
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Xenu's Paradox commented:
Violence is in the blood of every leftist.
sliderblaze commented:
the lefts motto…. if you cant beat um, BEAT um
dsfjhs commented:
This is exactly what the Obama’s want, they want to start the country fighting with each other, remember Barack? “Get in their faces” Michelle, “People need to get out of their comfort zones”
Andreas K. commented:
They wanted to get even.
Even on what?
“I like the civility idea, but I hate the Tea Party people,” said attendee Karen Anderson.
So they hate people who have a different opinion than themselves, and who even dare to voice it. And there you have the difference. Left wing = hatred. That’s all there is. Marx leads to Stalin, always.
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Andreas K. commented:
Also.
Can someone help me and explain this whole “Coffee party” thing?
What’s the actual point of naming it “coffee party”?
I don’t get it. No, I just don’t get it. What’s the reason?
Tea party is simple. It’s a reference to the Boston tea party, and quite obviously so.
But “coffee party”? Eh?
Bogdan from Australia commented:
Andreas K; that means that when totallitarian regimes murder, they (Coffee Party Mob) sit and drink coffee.
Tee mens protest against EVIL.
Coffee means acquiescence to EVIL.
BarbaraS commented:
They named it the coffee party because they don’t have a clue.
They want to get even for all the bad things that have happened to them in their lives. After all, bad things have never happened to republicans, just lefties. If bad things had happened to republicans, they would not be so happy, rich and successful. Thus, little minds solve little problems. The paramount thought in a lefty’s head is…me, me, me.
Tea Lover commented:
Did you see any blacks at this coffee party?
Hum…
Must be a bunch of racists!
Oh, and, Yawn…
Skandia commented:
European coffee house radicals, what could go wrong?
d_fitz commented:
500 coffee parties, 1500 total attendees…FAIL!
neomom commented:
At any one time, there will be 10x more people standing in line at the porta-potties at the NASCAR race tomorrow than have participated in the coffee parties. I would rather stand in one and pass out toilet paper than share a cup of coffee with any of those coffee party phony, unoriginal, America bashing morons.
wanumba commented:
The media was lockstep talking about street unrest three minutes BEFORE Obama was sworn in. It’s a narrative that started last year and if they repeat it enough, they’ll get their reality, so they’re hoping.
Joanne commented:
Hate to the left if like blood to the shark……reminds me of a certain intolerant religion’s members……of which the left supports and appeases.
gus commented:
So they hate us because we protested Government spending our money and ramming s**t down our throats?
They are mad and hate us because we don’t want to support them??
Jo commented:
Americans drink coffee. What are they going to do, throw the coffee out?Oh Waaait! that must mean they are Anti-American. Figures. Anti-Americans believe everything is racism. From the leftist I know around here in Nor Cal, they want Obama’s dystopia ( they call it communism) to become a reality because that means the US will become like Cuba. They tell stories of how everyone in Cuba has a home, food and a wonderful life. There is no depravity. It is heaven on earth. They hate and are violent against Republicans who they believe seek to stop them from the government providing everyone with free home and all free living.
gus commented:
Again, they are protesting our right to protest??
There is going to be a war. There is. I’m not advocating violence, but as one of our finest says.
Powder is dry.
wanumba commented:
Does NEWSWEEK have anyone who actually steps outside anymore? It reads like the first chapter of a Harlequin Romance knock-off.
wanumba commented:
BTW! Kudos to GP for now being a “go-to” guy “expert” worthy of being called by the MSM for interviews.
History of MSM and GP: Ignoreignoreignoreignoregoawaygoaway … aw, nuts! Call him!
Warren Bonesteel commented:
‘Open Letter: Rise of Extremism.’ Should show up near the top of a google search.
The rhetoric from both sides is a bit over the top. Both sides are demonizing their ideological opponents.
Historically, that never ends well.
Pilgrim commented:
Reminds me of a 1960′s vintage song by satirist Tom Lehrer, titled, “National Brotherhood Week” in which he introduced the song by saying (tongue firmly planted in cheek):
“I know htat there are those who don’t love their follow man and I HATE people like that!”
Yup.
Richard Zeien commented:
To be fair, was this before, or after, they had their coffee fix.
ogee commented:
So they sit around, drink coffee and talk about the worlds problems? Sounds like a boring waste of time. They already have the marixist/fascist usurping the white house. What more could they want? What’s the point?
Vinny B. commented:
The Tea Party is full of right wing racists trying to destroy government, because they know that blacks and Hispanics all need welfare, affirmative action, and government programs. Teabaggers know that without taxes, government will have to cut the programs and services that are desperately needed by minorities, gays, and women. That is why they are protesting. They are too afriad that under Obama, minorities will have the same access to health care and wealth that white people do.
Don Meaker commented:
Coffee Party. Coffee Party USA Why that name? Because the Communist Party/Communist Party USA had some left over T-shirts.
Really. Red ones. With CPUSA on them in big letters.
Jim commented:
I liked the left better when they were stoned.
bg commented:
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OT.. deadly tornado’s touched down in several citiers in several
states today, just heard of one in St. Louis (West County Mall)..
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Me commented:
How about if Ms. Park changes the name of her group to the Decaf Party, and Ms. Dickerson could start…oh, I don’t know…how about the ‘Roid Rage Party? Or is that Code Pink?
Nobody said taxonomy would be easy…
Melvin Winter commented:
Here’s a youtube parody of the Coffee Party: http://www.youtube.com/user/Optoons#p/u/11/DBOJrlKyfIE
Moon Pie commented:
I believe Mao said: “Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.”
So, who has more guns, “Coffee Partiers” or “Tea Partiers”?
dd5450 commented:
When the hell did “Community Organizer” become an occupation?? This China Dickerson idiot probably sees her stint as a “CO” as a vital step in her run for the White House. Oh, and Vinny, you’re a TROLL, so screw off.
Militant Conservative commented:
gus
April 24th, 2010 | 8:13 pm | #17
Again, they are protesting our right to protest??
There is going to be a war. There is. I’m not advocating violence, but as one of our finest says.
Powder is dry.
You humble me, I just got back from Charleston S. C. watching my son get recognized as a cadet from a “KNOB”. This is one of the best military schools in the country bar none, sorry VMI. I say we arrange a rumble between the coffee gang and the tea gang. coffee gets to pick the time place and conditions. You bring all of yours and we’ll bring all of ours. Betcha they don’t have the stones. Oh, one condition the venue must be on public grounds. Not in cities nor towns. powder is dry.
jerryl commented:
Jim #27 thats the problem theyve ran out of drugs
Valerie commented:
Why the “coffee party”? Oh, that’s easy. It’s the answer to the Tea Parties. The same is true of “the other 95%.”
Both groups are reactionary. They are reacting to the Tea Party.
This Newsweek article isn’t doing the Coffee party any favors, other than to try to portray Annabel Park as the innocent founder of a movement. Of course, Annabel Park is not exactly new to publicity supporting the BO campaign, according to the links Jim has provided.
Palinfan commented:
This article starts by fawning over the coffee party people to the point where anyone reading it throws up a little in their mouth.
500 meetings? Prove it. I have heard virtually nothing about this bunch. And how many people were at ANY of these meetings?
Finally, the article makes the mistake of telling the truth – the Liberals are, well, Liberals! Full of hate for God, guns, America, Conservatives, Jews, Christians, Catholics, women, minorities, freedom, the military, Capitalism, and most of all, the unborn.
Dipso Facto commented:
The Tea Party is full of right wing racists trying to destroy government, because they know that blacks and Hispanics all need welfare, affirmative action, and government programs.
Really? All blacks and Hispanics need welfare, affirmative action, and government programs?
Obama and his family need them? Colin Powell and his family? The 75 percent of blacks who live above the poverty line need them?
Salma Hayek needs welfare? Eva Longoria needs welfare?
You’re just pretending to be really stupid, right?
Waiting to Retire commented:
Coffee bagger?? Isn’t there a definition of that on urban dictionary or somewhere?? Seems I’ve seen that term somewhere before…….don’t think it’s very appealing.
Alex commented:
#38 Haven’t you heard? They all need welfare and social handouts cuz they sure can’t make it on their own! It’s the White Man’s Burden!
And they call us racist.
M. Report commented:
Are these the same people who insisted that
their Representative filibuster a bill they disliked ?
They do share one fatal misconception with the
Tea Parties: They think that the US has the time,
and politics has the power, to solve our problem,
which is that we are bankrupt, living on credit.
The consequences of defaulting on our domestic
debt to ourselves, of failing to make good on all
the promises the politicians made to buy votes,
will be severe, but survivable; If the rest of the
world sees us going the way of Greece, defaulting
on our foreign debt, the nation may not survive.
The US has a unique advantage in the invention
of Hi-Tech 21st century products, everything
from Gene Therapy to Solar Power Satellites;
Remove the bureaucratic red tape that blocks
entry to market, and watch the economy soar
as new wealth is created.
Jim Ryan commented:
blacks and Hispanics all need welfare
Yet another racist liberal shows up here. There are so many of them. Almost as many as there are illiberal liberals.
M Malone commented:
In Chicago’s Lincoln Park neighborhood the “coffee party” attracted 6 people including the organizer to “their” first meeting in a coffee shop on a Saturday afternoon. The first Tea Party in Chicago attracted nearly one thousand people on a cold and windy February Thursday in Daley Plaza and one of the “coffee party” participants was a Tea Partier.
Dipso Facto commented:
Haven’t you heard? They all need welfare and social handouts cuz they sure can’t make it on their own! It’s the White Man’s Burden!
I just got into an argument with a liberal who told me that the Iranian paramilitary terrorist organization the Qods Force is nothing to worry about. After a very long back-and-forth, he finally admitted that he’s not worried about the premier terrorist organization on the planet, because they’re Iranian. He believes they pose no threat whatsoever, because they’re Iranian. They’re just Muslim fanatics who talk big but can’t really do anything.
Like you said: Liberals call us racist. And stupid.
Have you ever heard of a more racist, suicidally stupid thing than believing that Iranian terrorists pose no threat simply because they’re funny little desert dwellers?
Robert commented:
This is funny. The Left is supposed to be the smart witty ones and yet they can’t even think of a name except one that plays off of the Tea Party.
And their version sits around in coffee shops ordering lattes.
What a bunch of boring lamers!
sliderblaze commented:
i stand corrected, Vinny B said the dumbest thing on this blog today, congrats, ur an idiot.
Ex Dem commented:
The movement? Meaning all 3 of them?
Joe P. commented:
Coffee bagger?? Isn’t there a definition of that on urban dictionary or somewhere?? Seems I’ve seen that term somewhere before…….don’t think it’s very appealing.
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Coffee Enemas is more fitting
vanzorge commented:
they look like a group of lost sheeple, looking for a cause.
either you have a cause or you don’t………….
Solaratov commented:
Vinny B.
April 24th, 2010 | 9:03 pm | #25
Maybe you should switch to decaffinated, vinny b(oy).
Oh. And try thinking for yourself – rather than just parroting the same, tired blather as the rest of the obots.
Radegunda commented:
Vinny B sounds like parody. Either that or he’s a condescending racist and too dumb to realize it.
Warren Bonesteel #21, when the ruling powers have pledged to “transform the country fundamentally,” that’s extreme. The political biography of BHO veers into the extreme left of the spectrum (Marxist mentors, Weather Underground friend and ghostwriter, black racist preacher, anti-Semitic associates). The government is taking extreme actions–grabbing unprecedented levels of power over the citizenry.
Describing all this concrete extremism doesn’t make us extremists.
The Dems say that people who carry around a pocket Constitution and quote the Founders are extremists. Oh really?
AuntieMadder commented:
Andreas K.
April 24th, 2010 | 5:50 pm | #5
Actually, Andreas K., “Tea” in the new Tea Party stands for Taxed Enough Already. It should probably be capitalized (TEA Party) but that’s too much trouble for lazy typists like myself.
That it shares its name with the Boston Tea Party makes it even better.
jvon commented:
I believe “coffee party” was a reference to the fact that no matter how economically disenfranchised these people believe themselves to be, they can still afford to pay five dollars per cup of coffee at Starbucks.
Republicans generally have enough sense to buy a coffeepot.
RandomCognomen commented:
What is sad about our discourse is that we have to parody them now because they simply won’t talk to us. Probably so they can maintain the illusion that we are a bunch of three headed freaks.
Chisum commented:
This is funny!
THE SNAKES IN OUT MIDST
http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/04/the_snakes_in_our_midst.html
Bert commented:
I think it is great about the “coffee party” wanting to discuss what is happening in America. Goes to show there is something huge happening here and it took the “teaparties” to bring it to light. We all love this country. I just want USA run by the rules of the constitution. That has not happened since Obama became President.
mark c commented:
Maybe we should call them the kafir party. If they get their way, it will be accurate soon enough.
Pious Agnostic commented:
Shocking! A meeting of leftists, and their first act is to revolt against their leadership.
Kevin P commented:
B b b bbbut – I thought only conservatives were mean spirited?!?!?
My comment from the get-go on the coffee-party was “When did that occur in the American Revolution”. I’d like to see how many coffee party members even know that there was an original tea party in 1773.
tim maguire commented:
It’s nice to see that Ms. Park seems to believe what she’s preaching. And if she’d like to find it she can–at a Tea party meeting.
Lifeofthemind commented:
My guess is that the “Coffee Party” was designed to be a totally obvious astroturf project only populated by the obviously dysfunctional and the Press. That isn’t a bug, it’s a feature. The only point was to discredit the TEA party by association. Think of how the media encouraged the discrediting of Sarah Palin by establishing the false image projected by Tina Fey as being as credible as the genuine article. The Democrats media handlers set up a false equivalence in which people see a manufactured parody and then assume that the genuine article must be equally fraudulent since both are being treated to press coverage. David Axelrod’s shop are experts at this.
daryl commented:
Chisum
April 25th, 2010 | 5:39 am | #56
This is funny!
And 100% true!
Highland commented:
Although the hate message may be true, lets not dismiss what the coffee party is attempting to do.
As TEA party members, we all know the feelings of being dismissed and our voices not being heard…….regardless if you agree with the message or not.
It is my opinion that the Coffee Party will be used by the mainstream media to frame the TEA party further as racist, not approachable, and a fringe group. Do a google search and the Coffee party hits almost double TEA party hits, so it has already started. The 95% message will be there rally cry in an attempt to sway public sentiment and perception, and true or not perception plays a large part in the willingness of others to hear our message.
This is an opportunity for the TEA party to call the Coffee party out on their mission statement and begin a dialogue. An opportunity for us to show we are inclusive and open to honest fact based debate over the direction of the country.
I think we will miss a huge opportunity to dispel the picture the mainstream media and progressives are trying so hard to maintain by allowing the Coffee party to lead the debate.
I would encourage TEA party leaders to contact Coffee party organizers and call them out on there request………to create a civil dialogue.
daryl commented:
So, the liberal dims have once again copied their conservative counterparts and are trying to establish their own version of the teaparty, for lack of a better word of their own we’ll call it the “Coffee Klatch”.
klatch or klatsch (klach, kläch)
n.
A casual social gathering, usually for conversation.
[German Klatsch, from klatschen, to gossip, make a sharp noise, of imitative origin.]
Who said those old Germans didn’t have a very descriptive way with words?
PJ commented:
Look at the Newsweek page–every sidebar and article is dedicated to showing that people opposed to Obama’s policies are nothing but violent, stupid extremists.
Note: even tho not a single window has been broken or racist comment made.
teetotaller commented:
Funny how you assert that tea party movement is “backed by 48% of Americans” and link to a *Fox Nation* article (which in turn quotes a *Rasmussen* research report), as if that provides legitimacy to your assertion.
How is Mars these days?
Chisum commented:
“How is Mars these days?”
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You tell us, cupcake. You’re the one in denial.
Spread the word. Desperation does not become you.
Dark Eden commented:
“You tell us, cupcake. You’re the one in denial.”
Now now, there’s no need to lie to our visionary friend teetotaller. He knows we’re just a bunch of rabid nazi racist extremists with barely a sliver of a following propped up solely by Fox News. Rest easy Teeto. Can I call you Teeto? Rest assured you have nothing to worry about from us crazy old racist Rethuglikkkans. Don’t worry your little head about 2010 or 2012 at all. You guys got it wrapped up. Shhh, go to sleep. Sleeeep. That’s a good little marxist.
teetotaller commented:
@Chisum
I’m in denial about what exactly?
About the fact there is a tea party movement? I don’t deny that.
About that it is an important political movement and that it has a growing following? I don’t deny that.
Maybe I’m in denial about the fact that the tea party movement is likely going to be an influential phenomenon in relation to results of the next couple round of elections? Nope, I don’t deny that either.
What I will admit to denying is: that you pointing to a Fox Nation article that quotes a Rasmussen research report – in order to bolster your claim that nearly 50% of Americans back the movement – is hardly strong evidence for that claim.
When someone like me, who is likely to vote either way in the next presidential election, sees an article like yours that makes a claim and then points to sources that are well known to have strong biases, I find it difficult to read the rest of your thoughts without having a strong, skeptical suspicion that you will say anything, quote anything and any source in order to support your point. It’s about credibility. And pointing to such sources doesn’t help you establish credibility to people like me (i.e. no strong affiliation with any one party, but aware of media games and biases).
So, help me (and yourself) out here. Please point me to other research/polls/datapoints, etc (several, ideally) – that aren’t political motivated – that support the assertion that as many as 48% of the American people “back” the movement. This isn’t a challenge to prove your wrong – this is a simple request from someone (me) who wants to understand “the facts” of a situation…and that this in turn will help me fairly consider your opinions.
teetotaller commented:
@Dark Eden – see my previous response to @Chisum.
p.s. – you’re not helping your case.
Chisum commented:
“When someone like me, who is likely to vote either way in the next presidential election,…”
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Hahahahahaha!
I believe you. Really. I do.
Valerie commented:
teetotaller
Last I checked, Rasmussen research reports have been used and quoted by all sides. It’s fine to argue that a poll is ill-made, that the questions are wrongly put together, for example. But you can’t just say they are politically motivated and ignore them, just because you don’t like the results, or because FOX picked them up.
Chisum commented:
Valerie,
“teetotaller” is trying to get us to play its’ game. Any research data that we quote will be labeled as ‘political’ or ‘flawed’.
If “teetotaller” doesn’t like the data source that Jim referenced then “teetotaller” should quote his/her own reference(s).
Elizabeth Seymour commented:
Are you not enjoying being governed by a foreign Hostile Elite that hates you?
Dark Eden commented:
“When someone like me, who is likely to vote either way in the next presidential election…”
This is very believable given the tone of your posts.
Since you’re demanding we go digging up research for you on a Sunday morning, how about you tell us some of the Republican ideas you support that would make you just as likely to vote right as left next time.
Donald Sensing commented:
So why don’t the Tea Partiers just take over the Coffee Party. Heck, a typical Tea Party rally could peel off a fourth to attend the next Coffee Party and still outnumber the Lefties by 4:1.
Militant Conservative commented:
teetotaller
April 25th, 2010 | 9:13 am | #70
Moderates (if that is what he/she is wait till a winner is apparent and join that movement) LOL, not much on leadership.
Donald Sensing
April 25th, 2010 | 11:34 am | #80
Just what I was thinking, use the lefts tactics against them. Surround them (literally) at thier event and infiltrate it too. Make it a peacefull negative media event for the coffee klatch.
Smear them as they have tried to smear us. do it infront of the media (signs and all). this is a political war, revolution up! Tyranny down!
powder is dry. Lets see how diverse thier group is too. powder is dry.
teetotaller commented:
@Chisum, @Dark Eden, @Valerie
I see you have no other sources to cite. OK, then.
Next, you may be surprised to know that I have voted for the Democrats and Republican parties an equal number of times each in the past (btw I’m 39). You can say this isn’t true. And you can say that I’m not likely to vote Republican in the next election. However – as they say, you are entitled to your opinion, but not your own facts, especially when concerning my own voting record, or my future intent.
Just because someone makes the point that a single and dubious source doesn’t hold up when you assert a fact, doesn’t mean they vote a certain way (or are marxist, or are claiming the tea party movement is made up of nazis, or anything else you’ve accused me of in this thread).
The fact that you can’t cite another research (or, worse, choose not to and instead attack me personally) piece lends weight to my original point – that a fantasy is thriving in your minds about the general American population’s backing of the tea party movement.
Finally…just so you know, I came across this site via memeorandum – I use the site to see what’s up on the political blogs from time to time. I’ve never been to this blog and had no understanding of whether this blog was either left, right, center, etc (and I very rarely post comments on political blogs). I think it’s fair to say that any reasonable person reading these comments might agree that the general tone around here is aggressive, even vile. Try to think about the impression you are giving when “representing” your movement.
Chisum commented:
Teetotaller,
Now you claim that you rarely post comments on blogs? Yet you left a deliberately inflammatory comment here and complain when responded to in kind? Calling US vile and aggressive? Complaining that we won’t do your research for you?
My my, troll, you have the victimology down pat, don’t you?
Cry me a river, liberal.
mike reed commented:
You can’t really tell if ms. park is really, honestly deer-in-the-headlights surprised, or feigning same, because she wasn’t ready for her “base” being revealed on-tape.
If she’s been involved with Dems, she has to have been exposed to this at some point before, and it’s hard to imagine she is so innocent and naive about this dem-core constituency’s nature.
Can she really be that ignorant, and/or plain stupid? If she is so well connected to the WH, and dem party, this would be further proof of their incredible levels of cluelessness and incompetence in politics, as well as governing. Oh, the very best of hands we are in today!
teetotaller commented:
@Chisum – ok you win. I did my research, and you answered all the questions I was hoping to have answered.
Dark Eden commented:
Teets, if you really are 50/50 on voting Rep or Dem in 2010, shouldn’t you do your own research rather than trying to smug other people into doing it for you on a Sunday?
teetotaller commented:
@Dark Eden – clearly so, because I’m not going to get straight answers here. thx.
James Custer McCarthy commented:
Vinny B: You are absolutely right… the people you mentioned do desperately need health care. But why can’t they get it the way the rest of us do? Because they are so busy crying about what may have happened to their great-grandparents and demanding reparations, they don’t work for a living. Since Obama was elected, the radicals haven’t repeated their demands, because they know that this “redistribution of wealth” is really back-door reparations for slavery. Look at the demographic of who benefits from this, if you don’t believe this.
Furthermore, I am not a racist, but I am prejudiced. Not against skin color, but about attitudes. For instance, while sitting on a bus behind two high-school girls, I overheard this conversation: “I can’t wait to get pregnant so I can quit school and go on welfare.” “Yeah, me, too!” I was shocked, but not surprised. And believe me, I don’t want to pay for this crap!
Here in Tampa, there are many armed young men selling drugs on street corners who are also collecting unemployment or welfare. And young women selling themselves for easy money, while also on welfare. And you say that WE are destroying this country? WAKE UP!
Chisum commented:
Hey Dark Eden, I like “Teets”. Appropriate.
Hey Teets, glad I could help.
TaTa.
DLTDHYOTWO.
bg commented:
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Chisum @| 5:39 am #56
excellent (and hilarious), thanks for sharing..
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bg commented:
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Vinny B. @ 9:03 pm #25
aah, nothing beats cObamic relief..
rotflmbo!!
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brad commented:
Intolerance breeds more of the same. This has been true throughout human history.
bg commented:
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teetotaller @ 10:15 am #73
bias source??
yeah right, like you didn’t agree with these polls.. hah!!
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Valerie commented:
teetotaller
April 25th, 2010 | 12:22 pm | #82
Teets, if you don’t know how to google Rasmussen Reports, shame on you.
teetotaller commented:
@BG – and I challenge you to find other research that also agrees with the Rasmussen report.
Chisum commented:
Now Valerie, don’t be a hater!
Chisum commented:
Speaking of haters, have you seen this bumper sticker? Tsk. Tsk.
Warning: language.
http://www.cafepress.com/dd/35036954?CMP=CJ-CLICK-10463747&sid=getproduct&XID=1540173&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=none&utm_source=cj
Martin L. Shoemaker commented:
teetotaller,
Your requests can’t be answered, until you fill us in. Since you are the self-appointed authority on which sources are and are not biased, please provide the list of sources you will accept as unbiased. And be prepared to back those declarations up.
Here’s a hint: research from Stanford (clearly a right-wing organization) shows that Fox News is the second least biased source out there, behind NPR. After those two, the bias climbs rapidly.
Oh, and NPR freely cites Rasmussen in their reports. I guess NPR is a right-wing organization, too.
bg commented:
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Vinny B. @ 9:03 pm #25
Earth to VB..
they already had the access & rights under Bush.. what Obama did was to extend or expand (one cannot extend or expand on something that wasn’t there to begin with) their rights by allowing them to make choices in their partners health care..
btw, you must have missed this..
not to mention this and a few other things as well..
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bg commented:
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teetotaller @ 2:39 pm #95
why should i??
the point IS Rasmussen is not BIAS.. hello??
Chisum @ 2:44 pm #97
LOL!!
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teetotaller commented:
@Martin,
Now we’re talking, thank you.
“please provide the list of sources you will accept as unbiased” – nice approach. My response:
The Monty Python Research Group (MPRG).
Comedy Central polls.
Any poll/research that is financed/funded/sponsored by a political group.
Ok, now your turn: point to the research. thx.
bg commented:
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ps re: bg #100
which unfortunately, is something
i can’t say of most other pollsters..
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daveinboca commented:
Teeto isn’t in Kansas anymore and it seems that the Coffee “astroturfers” [which Botox Bat Pelosi called the Tea Party activists early last year] are the usual civil disobedience types who are hyper-caffeinated haters. I know a few. I’m an independent with Tea Party leanings in not wanting to have my freedom curtailed in health and other areas, including having my income taxed down to penury. But when I comment on Atlantic or other leftist-hate blogs, I’m automatically a racist homophobe white supremacist whenever I mention the Tea Partiers in a positive light. Methinks the reason that the Dems have gone from generic 51% to 46% and the GOP from generic 39% to 45% in the last 6 months might be due to the hysteric squawks of the Coffee types, I mean the discredited academicides and media frauds on the acronym networks.
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Martin L. Shoemaker @ 2:49 pm #98
Amen & thank you..
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Chisum commented:
Check out the picture of our revered POTUS and his gorgeous FLOTUS on
http://lucianne.com/
teetotaller commented:
@BG – you lose again.
In the meantime, here’s an analysis on Rasmussen’s “house effect” and “likely voter model”, providing a reasonable explanation of why they have bias in their results (the fact that they have bias in their results is not controversial):
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/04/use-of-likely-voter-model-does-not.html
I admit, it gets a little technical but you’ll follow it if you pay attention. Now, if you dispute the bias, you’ll need to explain why (and calling me a left wing liberal isn’t a good enough answer. It may be good enough for your chums here, but it won’t do for me).
Donald Sensing commented:
Militant Conservative, #81 – that’s not what I meant. I don’t mean go and counter-demonstrate. I mean actually join and participate as an ordinary member. Only speak against and vote down any attempt to counter the Tea Party movements. Resolutions get proposed, seconded and then voted down.
No name calling. No anger or scoffing – just “no” votes for every initiative the CP’s try to bring up.
Donald Sensing commented:
Sorry ’bout all the italics last comment – thought I had closed them.
AuntieMadder commented:
Expecting commentators at a blog to conduct research for him…what a demanding little twit that Teets is. Why don’t we collectively tell the idiot-troll-boy to go f@#$ himself?
bg commented:
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just for the heck of it [2/05/10]..
Tea Party Is Seen by Majority of Voters As a Serious and Not a Fringe Group
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Martin L. Shoemaker commented:
In other words, teetotaller, you appoint yourself the arbiter of what is unbiased, and also refuse to divulge your list of what constitutes unbiased. And you mock me for pointing that out.
Your claim to want serious research is thus shown to be a sham.
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teetotaller @ 3:26 pm #106
that, i must presume, was the result from
the polling of one teetotaller.. rotflmbo!!
btw.. Methodology
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bg commented:
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teetotaller @ 3:26 pm #106
this may be a bit simplistic, but then again
logic usually is, ergo, a bit of logic for you..
if Rasmussen was bias against Obama,
then it was also bias towards Obama..
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Dark Eden commented:
A little late to the show but here’s a pic I did illustrating the civil Coffee Party point of view:
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/945/coffeeparty1.jpg
Liberty60 commented:
Well…it seems since there is so much discussion about the Coffee Party, why shouldn’t I chime in, since I am a leader of my local Coffee Party, here in So Cal.
Yes, we do get the occasional raving nutjob who wants to rumble with the tea party folks. Just as there are white supremacists who show up at Tea Party events.
Sorry, thats what happens with grassroots organizations- we do our best to push these people to the margins, as most organizations do.
To offer an olive branch further, I am a former Republican, and I do think there is a good debate to be had about the size and scope of government in the economy- I just feel the same way Ms. Park does, that as long as one side is accusing the other of wanting to throw Gramma into a FEMA camp, its tough to have a civil discussion about the proper rate of taxation.
Bricriu commented:
Coffee bagger?? Isn’t there a definition of that on urban dictionary or somewhere?? Seems I’ve seen that term somewhere before…….don’t think it’s very appealing.
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Coffee Enemas is more fitting
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If Tea Bagger is suppose to be a disgusting sexual term mimicking the action of dunking a tea bag into a cup, then there should be (and is) a disgusting sexual term for those who sip brown liquid through a straw from an earthy container after cream has been added to it: Felchers. It is a perfectly equivalent term, and very satisfying to use to their face — call Garafalo a Felcher sometime and see her blanch.
Dark Eden commented:
Liberty, I appreciate your point of view and I definitely agree about the nutjobs on both sides that shouldn’t taint the view of the majority. I guess my issue with the Coffee Party and their call for civility is that it feels disingenuous (or however its spelled). The left reflexively calls anyone who questions them racists, nazis, and that’s just the warmup. I’m a libertarian, I’m as far from a nazi as its possible for a human to get, but I’ve been called that more times than I can count. I guess it seems the calls for civility only started when the right started doing things the left has been doing for decades.
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Dark Eden @ 5:56 pm #117
re: [I guess it seems the calls for civility only started when the right started doing things the left has been doing for decades.]
such as??
things like this or this perhaps??
don’t think so..
not to mention beatings or biting fingers off amongst many other things that ONLY leftists do..
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Liberty60 commented:
@Dark Eden-
Within the CP, there IS a debate that goes on about what we mean by “civility”- is it that we pretend we as individuals don’t hold strong opinions? I certainly do. Should it mean we shouldn’t use strong language and call out foolishness when we see it? I would hate to think so.
But the rough general consensus is that we can have strong opinions, and offer sharp, even lacerating opinions, but only within the confines of empirical facts, and away from spin and buzzwords.
So we are discouraged from dismissing the Tea Party as “all racists”- even the word Teabagger” is discouraged on the FB page. And likewise, we reject the notion of the government as being the “enemy” of the people, and reject the notion that anyone is trying to “destroy America.”
I would make the argument-civily- that the Tea Party traffics in a form of tribalism, where people identify with eah other not based on dry policy or logic, but by culture and religion.
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what was the number 40 vs 1.5 MILLION at DC Tea Party ??
Tea Party Draws 1.5 Million to Nation’s Capitol (Update: 2 Million)
and that’s not counting those that
were there with them in spirit!!
eh, i’ll give them 4,000 (come on now, be generous), still no comparison,
) one would
not that it should be, but the way they puff up their so called grassroots “organization” (isn’t that an oxymoron??
have you believe they outnumbered the TPM by thousands..
btw, how many times are they going tolaunch this CP of theirs??
and how many times can one say diversity??
Obama backer launches ‘coffee party’ movement
Local coffee party attendee ‘a little surprised’
by lack of diversity in tea party alternative group
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Ryan commented:
Hey, history buffs: they called it the “Coffee Party” because after the Boston Tea Party, coffee was declared the official drink of America.
A lot of hate directed towards the left here. Relax.
It really doesn’t add to the discourse by insulting people, no matter what political affiliation you have.
Also -and this goes to GP- calling it an “astroturf” group as a way to discredit it is poor form, considering the origins of the Tea Party Express in regards to FreedomWorks. It’s just a glass house.
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Liberty60 @ 7:18 pm #120
re: [I would make the argument-civily- that the Tea Party traffics in a form
of tribalism, where people identify with ea[c]h other not based on dry policy or logic, but by culture and religion.]
and i say to you with utmost “civility”, you be wrong..
just a sample:
Tea Party rises above criticism, tricks
For Tea Party Detractors and Mainstream Media, Thursday Was An Epic Fail
Black Tea Partier Refutes Racism Charges
Black Tea Party Protesters vs. Keith Olbermann
IDEOLOGY
[* Overwhelming majorities of 88% and 81% say government is trying to do too many things best left to individuals and businesses, and that government should cut taxes and spending, respectively. But in terms of values, Tea Party attendees are split right down the middle. A slim majority of 51% say “Government should not promote any particular set of values”, versus 46% that say “Government should promote traditional family values in our society.”
* We can compare these to Gallup data collected in September of 2009: nationally, 57% said government was doing too much (among Republicans it was 80%), while 53% said government should promote traditional values (among Republicans it was 67%). So the Tea Party is actually more conservative than national Republicans when it comes to the size and role of government, but less conservative than national Republicans in terms of government promotion of traditional values.
* Indeed, combining the responses to some of these questions is a revealing ideological exercise: 43% of attendees said government is doing too much AND that government should promote traditional values, a distinctly conservative view; 42% said government is doing too much AND that government should NOT promote any particular set of values, an ideological view used by the Cato Institute as an indicator of libertarianism (currently 23% of all Americans fit into this category).
* This split between a libertarian Tea Party and a socially conservative Tea Party is reinforced when we consider the combination of all three ideological questions we asked, questions on the size and role of government, the role of traditional values, and the dynamic between taxes and spending. If we count the number of times a respondent gave the “conservative” answer (government should do less, it should promote traditional values, and cut taxes and spending), 40% of Tea Party attendees gave the conservative answer all three times, and 42% gave the conservative answer only two times. Those that gave only two conservative responses were most likely to defect on the role of traditional values.]
Survey: Four in 10 Tea Party members are Democrats or independents
[ The group is united around two issues – the economy/jobs and reducing the deficit. They believe that cutting spending is the key to job creation and favor tax cuts as the best way to stimulate the economy. That said 61 percent of Tea Party members believe infrastructure spending creates jobs. Moreover, given the choice Tea Party members favor 63-32 reducing unemployment to 5 percent over balancing the budget.
It isn’t a “purely homogeneous” group, said Winston.
The group has a favorable view of Republicans generally but that drops from 71
to 57 percent if they’re asked about Congressional Republicans. Congressional Democrats are viewed very unfavorably by 75 percent of Tea Party members – a uniquely strong antipathy. An overwhelming 95 percent said “Democrats are taxing, spending, and borrowing too much.”
The group also vehemently dislikes President Barack Obama – even
more so than those who called themselves Republicans in the survey.]
go figure..
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bg commented:
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Ryan @ 7:53 pm #122
a lot of hate??
did anyone suggest attacking, or threaten a CP anywhere, if so, please point it out to me, because i certainly missed it, and there’s certainly no trace of “hate” in any of my posts.. unless of course you consider facts detract from opinionated discussions turning into a love fest (so to speak).. as far as i can tell the CP’s themselves are the ones who came closest to expressing anything resembling hatred..
btw, you seem to be the only
one who is thinking that way..
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teetotaller commented:
@Martin – I gave you the list you asked for, and then you broke the deal. #fail
@BG – thank you for taking the time to point to the research. I read the blog post and the pdf of the Fox News/Opinion Dynamics poll, and the closest I could find to the claim that 48% of Americans “back” the tea party movement is the following:
“It is seen favorably by 35 percent of voters”. That’s 13% off the claim by the other poll cited in this blog post. Did I miss something?
My original point stands.
teetotaller commented:
@Ryan – thanks for the history lesson…
I looked around and found quite a few variations of the following (from a 2007 article http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/182473/the_history_of_coffee.html)
“According to historians, Americans have been obsessed with coffee since the Boston Tea Party took place in 1773. This event made drinking coffee a patriotic duty in America. The second boom to the American coffee consumption came during Prohibition in 1920. Coffee sales have steadily risen ever since.”
bg commented:
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teetotaller @ 8:50 pm #126
re: [drinking coffee a patriotic duty in America]
yeah, that & paying taxes..
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bg commented:
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teetotaller @ 8:50 pm #126
re: [Did I miss something?]
don’t rightly know, what Fox News/Opinion Dynamics poll??
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bg commented:
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teetotaller @ 8:50 pm #126
please use links, you seem to go all over the place..
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newton commented:
The Coffee Party… So much AstroTurf, it puts the Astrodome to shame…
Anyway, what else can you expect from a group founded by someone with access to loads of cash from George Soros? (All roads lead to Rome, and such.)
And don’t be surprised to find them angry, bitter, and willing to get even with the Tea Party. They know we’ve got their sugar daddy’s numbers, and we’re into them like syrup on pancakes.
The Tea Party happened to turn one of Alisnky’s rules upside down: “Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have.” Like the Ents in LOTR, plenty of patriotic Americans found that they are actually stronger than the Left thinks they are. The Tea Party is acting accordingly, and soon finding even more strength every day, scaring the living daylights out of their enemies. Soon, the Tea Party will bring down the political Isengard.
I like that!
zzwhale commented:
Liberals are such emotional effeminate teeth grinding hand wringing people. If they cant chant a childish 6 word slogan and rant and rave they dont want it. This is the END JUSTIFIES THE MEANS CROWD and in essence they oppose law and order and are tyrants. They lack the cerebral cortex to organize and logically present their opinions and they have few facts to back their positions. The black teacher saying “give us the money, we want the money, fast” sums it up. Pathetic crew of slugs. Bertha Lewis is another slug who wants the Obama stash.
Martin L. Shoemaker commented:
teetotaller,
Your “list” was a mocking evasion of the question. It proves that you have no intention of seriously addressing the issue. Your argument amounts to “I don’t like this source, I think it’s biased, but I don’t have another source to counter it.” A questionable source is still more valid than no source at all.
You know that. That’s why you’re evading the question.
Chisum commented:
“Teets” = TROLL
B Allen commented:
I think that they should remane it the Kool-Aid Party.
bandit commented:
I like the civility idea, but I hate the Tea Party people
What the left is all about – lying about civility and hating on America.
LarryG commented:
Coffee is brown. Dirt is brown. Therefore, coffee partiers should be called “Dirtbaggers”. It would be quite apropos to their approach to the matters of the time. This hate thing is very remarkable. Seems to be a dirtbagger affliction and not helpful. I marvel at their intellectualism; or is that Naziism? Alinskyism? Chomskyism? Socialism? What a leftist menu!
Dawn commented:
I think the left is afraid because they will have to cut some entitlements to even think about paying for this….taxpayers can’t do it all…………..Wow, think some of the gimmes may even get a job with benefits?
Q commented:
Coffee party: Chock Full o’Nuts
bg commented:
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Q @ 10:28 am #138
LOL!!
the heavenly coffee party..
hmmm hmmm hmmm
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Miguel Saavadera commented:
The leopard is perhaps one of the best hunters in the world. He watches, waits and when the game ventures into the kill zone he pounces. This is a waiting game ~ wait until November ~ you must get to that voting booth or all American’s lose.
Rahm Emmanuel stated it well … “a crisis is an opportunity to get things done.” The T.E.A. party shall not get involved in crisis, and should these coffee club members create one walk away, do not get caught in this trap … all that needs to happen here is a situation that allows Obama the opportunity to call out the national guard … riots, property damage etc., play right into these socialists hands … and the only problem we really have is if the coffee clubs go violent on its own, Obama can still call out the troops, suspend voting and reap huge, huge benefits. Don’t go there. Turn the other cheek, even if means you get your buns kicked.
All the guns are in the hands of most conservatives, but in a crisis with the guard out a long gun, or pistol in the hands of a everyday citizens does not mean much, unless you want to see carnage we have not seen since in the civil war.
Patience is a virtue. Wait, peacefully demonstrate, rally, phone, write but in the end get to the voting booth!
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A Real Peace Movement
[Of course no one but a skilled practitioner of paralepsis would suggest that the "antiwar" movement was composed of potential Timothy McVeighs. Yet everyone from left-wing bloggers to a certain former president has advanced that claim about the tea-party movement.
Meanwhile, Americans for Prosperity has an amusing video rebuttal of the by-now-tired racism charge. The video-makers politely confront some counterprotesters at a tax-day tea-party rally, holding a white
sheet bearing the message DEFEND OBAMA: OUTLAW WHITE SUPREMACY.
"Have you seen a lot of people that you would categorize
as racists out here today?" asks the AFP interviewer.
"I've seen enough Confederate flags," the sheet-holder replies.]
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LUV2h8BHO commented:
C=Communism
O=Obstructionist
F=Fear mongers
F=Fascist
E=Egalitarianism/asset based
E=Enviro-commies
old409 commented:
The liberal Coffee Party is full of it. I think they should all get together and share a coffee enema.
doubled commented:
Hey , I found some stuff in the ether somewhere :
Monte Python Research Group says 88% per cent of Americans back TEA Partiers, Comedy Central says 90% do , and further, my own personaly funded political group finds that you Teetotaller, are considered an arse by whopping 99%.
Refute those numbers bitch.
Maladroit commented:
Code Brown: Fail.
bg commented:
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Miguel Saavadera @ 11:56 am #141
i respectfully, but strongly, disagree..
re: [All the guns are in the hands of most conservatives]
more guns are in the hands of criminals who wish to do harm to innocent civilians one way or another.. ergo, most ordinary citizens only possess guns to protect themselves from the aforementioned.. while others, who may or may not be “conservatives”, use guns for hunting, more or less the same as some people use a rod, reel & worms to fish..
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Chisum commented:
Doubled,
Bwahahahaha!
Eric in Sacramento commented:
I’m brown-skinned, grew up on welfare with 5 siblings and one parent. Hear me now, white people: I don’t want your hand-outs, your wealth, your “programs and services,” your “access to health care,” your affirmative action, or any other form of “help” (as the government calls it). Your white guilt is ruining this country for all of us, including other whites! (Or do they all get a monthly stipend for being white, like the Jews do?)
/sarc
Unlike Vinny B., I don’t sit around and complain about others to cover my inferiority complex. I’m as smart, strong, wise, and capable as anybody out there, regardless of weight, build, name pronunciation, and even race. I’m a real American and I don’t want government help of any sort.
We’re going to win this, America, and no cost is too expensive.
-Freedom Nut (one who also doesn’t look like our previous presidents)
Frank commented:
Wow. Have the folks who post here read the Coffee Party Facebook posts? It is easy enough to find and if you compare the rheotric there with the rhetoric here, it would be informative. I think the CP is trying to get our national debate on a civil, information based platform. All you have to do to prove me wrong is go see for yourself. Just search Facebook for Coffee Party. Geez.
Bob commented:
Neo-Bolsheviks are murderous animals just like the original Bolsheviks.
Art commented:
Not a lot of mainstream minorities there.
bg commented:
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white people were also slaves, not to mention cheap labor at one time.. everyone needs to get the heck off of their pity me wagon, grow up, live in the present, and look forward making a to a better future for themselves.. you all sound like the Islamists who would love for nothing more than to drag us all back to the 7th century, headless if need be.. gah!!
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bg commented:
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correction re: bg #153
look forward to making a better future for themselves..
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bg commented:
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Eric in Sacramento @ 1:50 pm #149
re: [We’re going to win this, America, and no cost is too expensive. ]
Amen..
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bg commented:
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woops, re: bg #153/154
think i posted in the wrong thread..
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James Custer McCarthy commented:
Eric From Sacramento: I must applaud your assertion in post #149 that you don’t want any government handouts. You must realize that you are an anomaly… most others who have been raised by a welfare mom as you have would rather choose the easy way.
Read my other post (#88) and answer this question: Did your family begin with the attitude I described in my post? Or did your father run out on his responsibilities like most other black males? I ask this because I fail to understand how a mother of five doesn’t have child support from the father(s) of her children. Living without the guidance of a loving father usually does not bode well for young males, regardless of skin color. Hence the thuggery, drug dealing and glorification of ‘gangstas’.
“We’re going to win this, America, and no cost is too expensive.” Having heard this, I must say that this statement negates your disdain for handouts. As individuals, none of us have the resources to accomplish our agendas, whether conservative or liberal. So I guess that you will have to accept government help anyway. Of course, since your compatriots, led by Obama, also don’t care how much their agendas cost, you will find that very soon, even the government will no longer have the resources to help anyone.
But this might be a good thing. Once the government falls of its own weight and poverty, we will pick up the pieces and reestablish the republic envisioned by our forefathers.
And by the way, I sympathize with your insecurity (that you mentioned), and I must tell you that I, for one, have no ‘white guilt’. Not only did my ancestors NOT engage in slavery, they were a stop on the Underground Railroad, smuggling blacks to freedom in the North. And during the ’60′s, I myself was involved in civil rights marches. I find it sad that the situation today is beginning to cause me to regret that.
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James Custer McCarthy @ 6:08 am #157
re: [“We’re going to win this, America,
and no cost is too expensive.”]
“cost” was not meant to be taken literally..
it’s a metaphor, aka: Freedom is not Free..
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James Custer McCarthy commented:
bg: I understand what you are saying, but unfortunately in this case I’m afraid that it’s going to be all too literal.