Joe Klein: Beck & Palin May Be Committing Sedition for Speaking Out Against Obama (Video)
Posted by Jim Hoft on Sunday, April 18, 2010, 6:55 PM
TIME’s propagandist-in chief Joe Klein told a panel today on MSNBC that Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck were “potentially committing sedition” for speaking out against Barack Obama’s disastrous policies that have ruined the American economy.
Of course, this isn’t the first time Joe Klein accused Obama’s opponents of committing sedition. He accused Senator Coburn of committing sedition in December. He accused FOX News of committing sedition in October.
Jeff Poor at NewsBusters reported:
NewsBusters reported:
Liberals are all too often eager to charge conservative personalities of using hyperbole to gain a political advantage, especially when it contradicts their world view – whether it’s suggesting the Obama administration is taking the country down the path of socialism, fascism or any other-ism.
However, it could be argued there’s a different set of standards for those same people when they want to make strong charges. On NBC’s April 18 “The Chris Matthews Show,” Time columnist Joe Klein all but accused former GOP vice-presidential nominee and Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, along with Fox News host Glenn Beck of sedition.
“I did a little bit of research just before this show – it’s on this little napkin here. I looked up the definition of sedition which is conduct or language inciting rebellion against the authority of the state. And a lot of these statements, especially the ones coming from people like Glenn Beck and to a certain extent Sarah Palin, rub right up close to being seditious.
As Klein pointed out, the legal definition of sedition is “a revolt or an incitement to revolt against established authority.” And, sedition has been declared a felony in Supreme Court opinions, thus making Klein’s national television accusation a fairly serious one, one of which New York magazine’s John Heilemann agreed with. However, Heilemann added conservative talker Rush Limbaugh to that list.
As Klein pointed out, the legal definition of sedition is “a revolt or an incitement to revolt against established authority.” And, sedition has been declared a felony in Supreme Court opinions, thus making Klein’s national television accusation a fairly serious one, one of which New York magazine’s John Heilemann agreed with. However, Heilemann added conservative talker Rush Limbaugh to that list.
What is really amazing is that there are still news organizations who consider this Obama boot-licker a serious journalist today.
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Published May 24, 2012 at 8:46 pm - 83 Comments
kansas commented:
Of course the very same critcisms by the left against Bush were fine.
IOpian commented:
You mean stuff like he said about Bush such his hyper-partisanship being a travesty of governance, his arrogance and incompetence?
NeoKong commented:
The mask is off.
Mr. Liberal “I’m so civilized and reasonable” would put people in jail for opposing a govt. he feels reflects his views.
If he was granted the power he would have Palin. Limbaugh and Beck in prison.
Typical pinko scum.
DocScience commented:
Time?
Isn’t that the magazine they give out free to dentists and doctors for waiting rooms?
sliderblaze commented:
Joe Kline, you mean like, they bring a knife, we bring a gun….. or how about, calling people racist for no reason (worst thing you can call someone who isnt at all) or how about, hit them back twice as hard…. or, get in their face? we’ll be waitn for ur response…
Logus commented:
Of course, we know how well John Adam’s Alien and Sedition Acts went over. A drunk got jailed for proclaiming that a fired cannonball should have gone up Adam’s rear.
So, calls for sedition because of disagreements are nothing new… and, hopefully now as then, liberty and freedom of speech will prevail, no matter how much Obama and liberals writhe in their duplicity and angst at being shown a mirror to their open closet.
Jo commented:
I’m a seditionist!
So was G. Washington. 
Mrgoodwench commented:
Now if only Hussain had his civilian army, armed and loaded and ready today, they could have done something about it. Like Hugo and Mao and A’Jad and KimJong ill and Odinga and Q-daffy and those lucky people…gosh their lives are so easy. It sucks to be Prez without a posse.
jb commented:
Klein ought to team up with Chaz Blow of WaPo and get themselves a two-week radio or tv show.
Two weeks ought to exhaust them both of any intellectualism either or both of them possess.
Heh.
ar05075 commented:
Nicely said Logus.
Andrew commented:
Did he find the bumper stickers that said “Dissent is the highest form of patriotism” seditious five or six years ago?
Opaobie commented:
Perhaps another definition Mr. Kline might want to look up is “Petard“, as in Shakespeare’s phrase “Hoist with his own petard”
INVA$ION USA commented:
Sedition? What would you call this http://www.BorderInvasionPics.com/Invasion.html ?
Jo commented:
Obama reminds me of Nero, consumed with himself; he plays gold almost every weekend while America’s economy goes south.
This perhaps is like the President Woodrow Wilson Sedition Act of 1918 , signed on May 16, 1918. The Espionage Act made it a crime to aid enemies of the United States . I think Obama aids our enemies. So maybe he should go strait to jail, and the rest of the left-wing media. At least we can start to put America back together again.
drjohn commented:
Dissent is patriotic. Ask Pelosi.
pjean commented:
Mr. Klein, as usual, I will continue to flip every issue of TIME I see in the grocery or drug store. Your magazine is such an offense to truth and reason that I will make it even harder for passersby to even see that your magazine exists on the rack. If someone is looking for your magazine, they will just need to work harder to find it.
IN MEMORY OF MARY JO commented:
What is the word for the “Liberal Lion” getting away with murder?
http://www.FATBOY.cc
chili palmer commented:
Hillary Clinton said she was sick and tired of people who say you’re not patriotic if you disagree with this administration. It’s still on You Tube.
Dipso Facto commented:
John Kerry committed sedition, too:
It is interesting that the usual Kerry bashers are well aware of a single story in a newspaper long known for its biased reporting, but appear totally unaware of Kerry’s actual statements on the war. They appear totally unaware of the warnings against going to war in Kerry’s Senate floor speech, Georgetown speech, and other public statements. They have also forgotten Kerry’s call for regime change in Washington after Bush ignored Kerry’s advice and went to war.
http://kerryblog.blogspot.com/2005/09/tunnel-vision.html
Sojourner commented:
Logus/#7 spot on.
.. I wonder where Klein’s yap & huff was when this was going on:
A ‘Liberal’ Hypocrisy Test:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEr65ZX6gLw
bertogem commented:
Joe Klein, enemy of the people.
bg commented:
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hey j-a, look up TREASON for US will ya.. gah!!
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down with dems commented:
Off topic, but too good to not share:
GOING ON VACATION IS NOW A HUMAN RIGHT!
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article7100943.ece
EU will subsidize vacations
SteveCan commented:
Time magazine …. Not even good Asswipe!
B. Obama commented:
Obama is air raiding villages and killing innocent civilians in Pakistan!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrW4fOGIMVY
nadadhimmi commented:
Look. let’s CUT the bull. All that Dem talk the last few years about dissent being patriotic was complete crap. What the Dems REALLY mean is; shut the f#@k up and do as you are damn well told to do you little peons or we will crush you with the IRS and FBI. The only thing I can say is; King Louis and Marie Antoinette didn’t see it coming either.
bg commented:
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down with dems @ 8:04 pm #24
can anyone picture the big picture, say, 50 to 100 years from now??
how long can redistribution go on before the ruling elite billionaire Grasshoppers declare your equally shared monies unconstitutional..
yep, we’ll either all be beating on ourselves one way or another
in between bowing towards Mecca five times a day or scarified
at the alter of Utopianism, eh, wait a sec, it’s all the samo samo..
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Jo commented:
bg
April 18th, 2010 | 8:33 pm | #29
Obama made $5,000,000 this year and $7,000,000 last year or for the last two. He has not redistributed anything yet. Most of this money, it is alledged, comes from his auto-bio books.
He is a fraud. Pelosi is filthy rich, so is Harry the Reidmiester-chump-master and hater of our military.
bg commented:
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Dipso Facto @ 7:54 pm #20
Kerry was/is a detestable flip flopper..
[If you don't believe...Saddam Hussein is a threat with nuclear weapons, then you shouldn't vote for me. usatoday.com, February 11, 2003]
Kerry & his ilk were for the war before they were against it..
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Liar Thiefson commented:
SteveCan:
A package of baby/wet wipes is less expensive and, if you read the label, you learn more truth than if you read that pinko rag.
Sic semper tyrannus.
Opaobie commented:
Did any of you ever John Fraud Kerry’s First Book?…talk about sedition…..
Liberty Jane commented:
Sedition – speech, writing, or behaviour intended to encourage people to fight against or oppose the government.
I don’t find anything in Palin or Beck that goes against the Constitution. Isn’t that the government?
Warren Bonesteel commented:
So…what part of “We are no longer living in a constitutional republic” do people not understand?
Hera commented:
All this shows is how frightened the left is of the people and of free speech. How many times were we told the answer to speech that offends is more speech and descent is the highest form of patriotism. Sounds like free speech for me but not for thee. Fortunately I don’t think they will be able to scare people into silence.
Richard Romano commented:
Check out this miserable leftist buffoon. Joe Klein is such a hack.
I honestly wonder how Time stays in business.
Auntie Em commented:
pjean #17….you do that too?! I thought I was the only one. Any magazine, except for National Enquirer, that has an obama on the front or Time gets turned around.
I had to go the doctor this week, and there was a magazine in the rack with M Obama on the cover. I walked over to it, in a room full of people, and turned it around.
I got many smiles and even a thank you!
When people see that it is okay to do this, then they too will do it.
ONEWITHABRAIN commented:
What would any of you ” Go ahead and wiretap me,I have nothing to hide” pansies know about what sedition is?
Aitch748 commented:
This bit about Joe Klein crying “sedition” about people badmouthing Obama’s policies dovetails rather unpleasantly with this article that somebody at Hot Air stumbled upon today. It seems that our old friend John McCain has decided to sponsor a bill that proposes giving the President the power to imprison U.S. citizens en masse without a trial:
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/crime/3344-mccain-proposes-indefinite-detention-without-trial-for-citizens
We need that housecleaning in November very very badly.
Joanne commented:
The Liberals know what Obama and his cronies are doing to America, and they know full well, the American people are not going to stand for it for much longer, so they accuse the right of inciting rebellion because they actually think that is going to stop the people when they have had enough of the socialist bullcrap and the ruination of America. I mean how much can the American people actually take of Obama putting the U.S.A. into the poorhouse and destroying her ability to protect herself?
myohmy commented:
The MSM is run by the politburo.
Nathan R. Jessup commented:
Sedition originally came about for the purpose of protecting the government from being ‘overthrown’ (which makes sense). The institution of government (in its most limited form) is essential for maintaining order among the people.
What Klein fails to understand is that Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin are not suggesting in any way, an overthrow of the government. Quite the contrary. In fact, they believe government to be quite necessary. What Beck and Palin are suggesting is a ‘replacement of personnel” (naturally, those being replaced are opposed to such action) and a “reigning-in” of the over-extension in power. Klein can make all the accusations he wants but truth isn’t going anywhere.
What Klein suggests is in direct contradiction with the First Amendment. Our Founding Fathers understand the people [in an effort to protect their interests] will serve as a check-and-balance for a government wishing to abuse the power it’s given.
Here are a few facts about Chavez and Venezuela’s “government”. See if you can spot any similarities to our own:
“During the government of President Hugo Chávez, however, corruption has exploded to unprecedented levels. Billions of dollars are being stolen or are otherwise unaccounted for, squandering Venezuelan resources and enriching high-level officials and their cronies.”
“Along with the increase in revenues has come a simultaneous reduction in transparency. For example, the state-owned oil company ceased publishing its consolidated annual financial statements in 2003, and Chávez has created new state-run financial institutions, whose operations are also opaque, that spend funds at the discretion of the executive.”
“Corruption now permeates all levels of Venezuelan society. Bureaucrats now rarely follow existing bidding regulations, and ordinary citizens must pay bribes to accomplish bureaucratic transactions and have to suffer rampant neglect of basic government services. All this has been encouraged by a general environment of impunity: officers implicated in major corruption scandals have sometimes been removed from their posts, but they have not otherwise been held legally accountable.”
“The dramatic rise in corruption under Chávez is ironic since he came to power largely on an anti-corruption campaign platform. To truly fight corruption, the government needs to increase the transparency of its institutions and reduce its extensive involvement in the economy, something that has placed Venezuela among the least economically free countries in the world.”
Full article: http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=6787
(sorry for the lengthy post, I’m in a ranting mood)
Winston commented:
Joe Klein with his beard sounds a lot like the hezbollahi basijis who defend the Iranian ayatollahs.
Opaobie commented:
ONEwithHAIRBRAIN #39, your picture is in John Kerry’s book where he advocated sedition, so click the link I posted to it at #33.
J commented:
Intolerant fascism is a natural and inherent part of leftist ideology.
This should surprise no one.
Rock commented:
After reading portions of the Sedition Act (Section II), maybe Joe might wish to include Reverend Wright, Nancy Pelosi, Mr. Obama, Code Pink, residents of Berkeley Ca., a hoist of MSNBC motor mouths and almost everyone who comments on blogs Left or Right. Or is it his intention to threaten only those on the Right. Yea already know that answer.
Stephen Monteith commented:
We overthrow the government all the time; it’s called “elections”.
Solaratov commented:
Well then, I suppose that ol’ joe klein is absolutely livid about the nytimes printing secrets and being responsible for the deaths of American soldiers.
I’ll bet he wants to have them charged with treason. Bein’ so fair and balanced ‘n’ stuff.
Or maybe klein is just another leftist totalitarian who wants to silence all opposition to the destruction of America.
bg commented:
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Warren Bonesteel @ 9:26 pm #35
i know, it’s so disheartening, i hope & pray day
after day, but alas, it’s always the samo samo..
IT’S LIKE EVERYONE IS ASLEEP
EXCEPT FOR THE SHEEP, GAH!!
what’s going down now has not only been planned out for decades,
but is and has been slowly taking place over the decades as well..
i firmly believe Obama was chosen to:
TRANSITION US INTO THE NEW WORLD ORDER..
only thing wrong is, the Marxists have teamed
up with the Islamists, but it won’t stop there..
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daveinboca commented:
Klein insists that the American people are unworthy of the educated elites of which he considers himself a member. Then he calls political opposition to a crack-brained health law that removed Congress’s special health perks without Congress knowing it, as this passed without committee hearings or even the usual filibuster laws, disloyal. The Dems are seditious in disdaining the Constitution as a “penumbra” and then call the Tea Party conservatives “Nazis” and “racists” all the while three black Congressmen lie about being called racial epithets without being able to produce one video or YouTube among thousands of cell phones & cameras on Capitol Hill during the run-up to passing the ObamaCare with less than 40% support that will be repealed if the Republicans have the votes. I dare BHO to veto a repeal.
Those familiar with American history know that treason is the core principle of the Democratic Party, and their cadre such as Klein, Heilemann, Matthews, & O’Donnell will try to distract from that perfidious treachery built into the DNA of the SCOTUS-defying Jackson & the wine-swilling slaver Jefferson in any way they can. The Party of Rum, Romanism, and Rebellion and Jim Crow. Indeed, these cretins pretending to be journalists made not a peep when the moronic Senate Majority Leader, soon to be s-canned in NV, said the war in Iraq was lost, just before the Surge, a gutsy POTUS, and brave soldiers WON THE WAR in Iraq. Harry Reid is a traitor and should be dealt with as such, for saying that in wartime.
Seditious monsters like Klein & Heilemann, whose Game Change is a shallow collection of spurious trash vis-a-vis Palin & other Republicans, who get about fifty pages compared to 200 for the seditious Demo-rats, remain convinced a media now totally discredited in the eyes of a majority of the American people can still call the tune that people will dance to.
O’Donnell is trailer trash who projects her racism onto the Republicans and Matthews is a windmill who doesn’t have a college diploma or an ounce of common sense.
Just_Saying commented:
sedition: “a revolt or an incitement to revolt against established authority.”
I would argue that means a legitimately established authority. In my way of thinking, Obummer is not a legitimate authority. No one is revolting against Constitutional authority, but this administration is not Constitutional, nor is it acting Constitutionally.
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Radegunda commented:
Onewithnobrain #39, apparently you believe that you should be able to communicate with your al-Qaeda pals overseas without the U.S. intelligence agencies being curious about what you’re saying.
I suppose you also believe that when you check out books from a PUBLIC library, the records are not actually public.
All the whining about GWB’s “wiretapping” is just hysterical and dishonest. Nobody was “wiretapping” your domestic chats with your friends.
Andreas K. commented:
As Klein pointed out, the legal definition of sedition is “a revolt or an incitement to revolt against established authority.”
Someone remind Mr Klein (German for small and little, how fitting) how the US came to be. They revolted against established authority.
archer52 commented:
Seriously? Sedition? What happened to HRC’s screeching speech about having a right to protest and disagree?
Sedition.
Klein, like many of his kind, have no idea what a real revolution would look like. Oh, he remembers the sixties, but I’m betting he watched it go by while sitting in his daddy’s convertible with his arm around his date “Babs” the cheerleader and thinking about his application to Harvard.
No, he has no idea. If we had one, it would last about five days since we have about 120 million weapons and the feds have only fifty or so thousand agents, half of them would be on our side anyway.
Kitty commented:
I’ll always remember Joe Klein, a.k.a. Anonymous, for his article ‘Bimbo Primary’ in NY Magazine (2/10/1992) in which he said this:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2770/4534489782_82d2804a67_o.jpg
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Galt commented:
Bill Clinton had a similar message last week. Taken together these statements amount to: “keep your mouths shut or we’re going to round you up and accuse you of terrorism.”
Hmmm, what does history tell us about political factions that assert their powers that way? Obama says we should be thanking him. Should we? Is that really how a constitutional republic is supposed to work? Where honest wealth can turn to a loss of liberty based on the whims of a strongman?
If it is true that our system has slipped the moorings of being a constitutional republic, isn’t it the responsibility of the people to demand the restoration of law? (And wouldn’t the regime reflexively fight those demands?)
Step back and realize what’s happening here. Be appalled, but don’t let them intimidate you.
The Triguy commented:
From the Declaration of Independence. I’m sorry, but which part of the following do they not understand?
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”
BurmaShave commented:
Definition of SEDITION (Joe Klein’s version): Voting against Obama.
KR commented:
Klein: “When people get scared they get a little crazy.”
The TPs scare the cr@p out of the lefties,…
but then they have always been crazy.
Galt commented:
When the Progressives round us up, do you think we’ll get as many legal protections as they awarded non-citizen illegal combatants who waged actual war against us?
Will the white-shoe law firms offer pro bono representation to champion the rights of the people articulated in the 10th amendment?
To have to ask the question is enough to provide the answer.
JKB commented:
It’s rich. Klein claims to have done a little research but failed to look up 18 USC 2384 – Seditious Conspiracy, which is the law. The law requires “conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States” First off, the administration isn’t the Government and secondly, who is advocating use of force?
So a journalist does some very poor research but fails to discover that a) we crazy Americans chucked off the sovereign with his self-serving definition of sedition quite a while ago and b) we were careful to only outlaw use of force to oppose the government. So Klein is saying, I did some research and here’s the part that supports what I want to say.
Duke commented:
Perfect. Time and MSNBC have narrowed their potential audience to those with memories extending less than 18 months. It’s not that they don’t have a viable business plan, it just doesn’t rely on customers. Joe Klein and Chris Matthews are supplicating for their royal bailout, like GM last year and court composers of Renaissance Europe.
Kevin P commented:
The first person I heard refer to Obama being part of a regime was…… Obama himself!
I think he was calling for a new world REGIME in a speech before some stupid global warming summit.
Kevin P commented:
Here’s what’s in store for us seditious bastards:
http://patdollard.com/2010/04/we-need-a-lot-more-in-our-toolbox-in-order-to-deal-with-angry-people-on-the-streetobamas-consequence-management-response-force-ready-to-be-deployed-against-americans-in-october/
RandomCognomen commented:
“I honestly wonder how Time stays in business”
In the new corporatist (used to be called fascism) regime we have fallen under, ability to do favors for the powerful via a media outlet has value that can be cashed in in other ways. For instance, look at how NBC whored for Obama, and now there are regulations that force aircraft builders to use GE engines in their planes.
Federale commented:
These statements clearly show that the Obama Regime plans to start arresting and imprison anyone who criticizes Obama. This clearly shows that liberals are closet Stalinists.
Galt commented:
Then again, if you can get your opposition condemned as evil and violent and anti-poor, then there’s little need to arrest and imprison them.
Better to brand the free-thinkers with a scarlet letter and the wet-work of leave line rectification to the street vigilantes. The ones in the purple shirts.
Betsy Ross commented:
What a schmuck….Hey, he wrote the definition on a little napkin? He should have saved the paper and wrote it on his hand…Ha-Ha…
Lenore commented:
“John Kerry committed sedition, too:
It is interesting that the usual Kerry bashers are well aware of a single story in a newspaper long known for its biased reporting, but appear totally unaware of Kerry’s actual statements on the war. They appear totally unaware of the warnings against going to war in Kerry’s Senate floor speech, Georgetown speech, and other public statements. They have also forgotten Kerry’s call for regime change in Washington after Bush ignored Kerry’s advice and went to war.”
Wow dipso facto dems and their media really know how to twist the truth. Or as us regular folks would call it, LIE.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/09/kerry.iraq/index.html
Lenore commented:
Jo
“Sedition Act of 1918 , signed on May 16, 1918. The Espionage Act made it a crime to aid enemies of the United States .” Who determines who the enemy is? I guess one would argue it refers to the country, not the government in power. But with this administration who knows.
Lenore commented:
We have a right to debate and disagree with any adminstration. Right Hillary. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJxmpTMGhU0
Lenore commented:
#40. “(a) Military Custody Requirement- Whenever within the United States, its territories, and possessions, or outside the territorial limits of the United States, an individual is captured or otherwise comes into the custody or under the effective control of the United States who is suspected of engaging in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners through an act of terrorism, or by other means in violation of the laws of war, or of purposely and materially supporting such hostilities, and who may be an unprivileged enemy belligerent, the individual shall be placed in military custody for purposes of initial interrogation and determination of status in accordance with the provisions of this Act.” The words ” who may be an unprivileged enemy belligerent,” are the ones that save us from Obama, I hope.
StewartIII commented:
ChickaBOOMer: Patsy Klein
http://chickaboomer.blogspot.com/2010/04/patsy-klein.html
Rock commented:
Klein, is on Time.com with a blog on how the Right has gone bonkers on his little brain fart. Guess we got under his skin a tad, sorry little man you are what you are.
Bot commented:
Wouldn’t LaRaza and CAIR be considered seditious organizations? LaRaza’s platform is to return southwestern United States to Mexico, and CAIR want’s to establish sharia law in the United States.
Why don’t patriots initiate sedition lawsuits against these organizations?