Revealed… Catholic Priests Abuse Children at Same Rate As Anyone Else… Rate Declining Since the 1980's (Updated)
Posted by Jim Hoft on Friday, April 9, 2010, 4:05 PM
Well, you certainly did not read this in the the Satanic Verses New York Times.
Despite the bad press, the child sexual abuse rate by Catholic priests is no greater than any other demonination or the general public.
(Examiner)
Newsweek reported:
The Catholic sex-abuse stories emerging every day suggest that Catholics have a much bigger problem with child molestation than other denominations and the general population. Many point to peculiarities of the Catholic Church (its celibacy rules for priests, its insular hierarchy, its exclusion of women) to infer that there’s something particularly pernicious about Catholic clerics that predisposes them to these horrific acts. It’s no wonder that, back in 2002—when the last Catholic sex-abuse scandal was making headlines—a Wall Street Journal-NBC News poll found that 64 percent of those queried thought Catholic priests “frequently” abused children.
Yet experts say there’s simply no data to support the claim at all. No formal comparative study has ever broken down child sexual abuse by denomination, and only the Catholic Church has released detailed data about its own. But based on the surveys and studies conducted by different denominations over the past 30 years, experts who study child abuse say they see little reason to conclude that sexual abuse is mostly a Catholic issue. “We don’t see the Catholic Church as a hotbed of this or a place that has a bigger problem than anyone else,” said Ernie Allen, president of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. “I can tell you without hesitation that we have seen cases in many religious settings, from traveling evangelists to mainstream ministers to rabbis and others.”
Since the mid-1980s, insurance companies have offered sexual misconduct coverage as a rider on liability insurance, and their own studies indicate that Catholic churches are not higher risk than other congregations. Insurance companies that cover all denominations, such as Guide One Center for Risk Management, which has more than 40,000 church clients, does not charge Catholic churches higher premiums. “We don’t see vast difference in the incidence rate between one denomination and another,” says Sarah Buckley, assistant vice president of corporate communications. “It’s pretty even across the denominations.” It’s been that way for decades.
Someone needs to send this to Maureen Dowd and Rosie O’Donnell.
UPDATE: Here are a couple of more facts on the Catholic abuse scandal that did not make it into any news stories this Easter.
Thanks to Kathy N.
Every news story and commentary stating that the sexual abuse scandal in the Catholic Church is widening is factually wrong. The evidence shows just the opposite—it has been contracting for approximately a quarter century. Here’s the proof: the John Jay College of Criminal Justice—not exactly an arm of the Catholic Church—has shown repeatedly that the vast majority of the abuse cases took place from the mid-60s to the mid-80s. And the reports over the last five years show a rapid decline. The latest report, covering 2008-2009, shows exactly six credible allegations made against over 40,000 priests and tens of thousands of others working for the Catholic Church.
Almost all of the chatter about the alleged widening of the scandal is a direct result of media sensationalism. Here is a perfect example, taken from a Reuters story today. The headline reads, “Norway’s Catholic Church Reveals New Abuse Cases.” But what is new is not a new wave of incidents, rather it is an admission by the Norwegian Catholic Church of four cases of alleged abuse that it had not previously disclosed. Two of the cases date back to the 1950s; another dates back two decades; and the fourth one was based on “rumors.”
And… The nation’s public school’s have a horrible problem:
“[T]hink the Catholic Church has a problem?” she said. “The physical sexual abuse of students in schools is likely more than 100 times the abuse by priests.”
So, in order to better protect children, did media outlets start hounding the worse menace of the school systems, with headlines about a “Nationwide Teacher Molestation Cover-up” and by asking “Are Ed Schools Producing Pedophiles?”
No, they didn’t. That treatment was reserved for the Catholic Church, while the greater problem in the schools was ignored altogether.
As the National Catholic Register’s reporter Wayne Laugesen points out, the federal report said 422,000 California public-school students would be victims before graduation — a number that dwarfs the state’s entire Catholic-school enrollment of 143,000.
This doesn’t excuse ANY abuse.
But, it does put things into perspective.
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NC Cop commented:
As a Catholic I think an excellent solution to the problem would be…oh, I don’t know…how about turning these molesters into the police?
I know it’s a crazy idea on my part, but it’s just a thought.
Taqiyyotomist commented:
See? It’s ALL Christian denominations – not just Catholics!
****SPIT****
Can nobody else see what I’m seeing in this excremental article?
2hotel9 commented:
Do you honestly think the large numbers of children abused by priests, and other clergy of all denominations, is not a major problem?
The Catholic Church has made this problem so bad by its refusal to punish clergy who do abuse children, and other parish members. They have a history of hiding them from law enforcement, moving them into other positions where they can continue their abuse, and outright lying about it. So have other churches/denominations. This problem is of their creation, all religious denominations, the Catholic Church is just so blatantly in your face about pretending it is not happening that it galls people, and draws far more attention because of that attitude.
Moose Slum commented:
Hey Taqiyyotomist #3 – did you just spit in your own eye?
Dan commented:
uh, I think in general people expect Catholic priests, those highly noble folks who have a red phone hotline to God and a monopoly on sin forgiveness, to have a lesser sexual abuse rate than the general public. I’m crazy though, so maybe it’s just me. Keep writing those checks though, stained glass is awesome.
Taqiyyotomist commented:
No, I just spat in the general direction of Newsweek’s offices, where they just wrote another “fair” hit-piece on not just Catholicism, but all Christian denominations.
Jim, your headline makes the article seem fairer than it actually is. “…Same Rate as Everyone Else…” would seem to imply that the study involved things such as daycare and public schools, Muslim mosques, …you know….EVERYONE ELSE.
But no, this is a “All Christian Religions Are Just as Full of Pedophiles as Catholicism” article, nothing more. Just another hitpiece masquerading as mea culpa and fairness.
Taqiyyotomist commented:
Alas, the Public Schools are not a religious denomination. If they had been included in this study of actuarial statistics, they would have took the freakin CAKE.
Kids are ~100X more likely to be abused by a faculty member of a public school than by a clergy member at their church, WHATEVER denomination.
This article stinks.
Trish commented:
Abuse by anyone is not acceptable. That said, Ann Coulter wrote in her book Godless, the fact that in the US teachers and other school officials abuse children at a much HIGHER rate than the clergy or church officials.
No one is free to abuse children. And all should be dealt with and punished. But the fact that the Catholic Church is singled out because some people think they are MORE guilty or MORE subject to criticism, is a lie and that’s what ought to be cleared up.
olm commented:
The bottom line is that by villifying any one group we are doing a disservice to children, the targets of predators.
But just keep villifying those evil Christians.
olm commented:
I am Catholic and always will be. I am sorry that my Church has bad apples and I want them out of public and punished as much as anybody, but to expose this as a Catholic or Christian problem is really indicative of a larger issue.
Kevin P commented:
All sin is abominable in the eyes of God.
What is abominable in the eyes of man is selective.
Especially in this age of moral relativism sinners love to comfort themselves and say “At least I’m not as big of a sinner as so-and-so…”
It is actually a miracle that abuse is lower among clergy than the general population. Why? Do you believe Satan is real? Have you read anything of the life of St. Michael Vianni? Priests are under constant spiritual attack by the master of deceit.
Pray for our Priests so no more fall to sin and harm the innocents and the faithful.
Andreas K. commented:
2hotel9
And what about the massive number of kids abused in mohammedan countries? What about the 13 year old girl who bled to death in Jemen, due to the injuries in her vagina her 30 year old “husband” caused her? There nobody says anything.
It’s the typical BS from the left.
If a priest rapes a 6 year old, he’s a monster.
If a leftist rapes a 6 year old, he was seduced by the 6 year old and is totally innocent (because the leftist “sex god” Kinsey says so in his weird “theories”.)
If a mohammedan rapes a 6 year old, it’s part of their culture and we must respect it.
All three examples need to be locked away for life any castrated. That simple.
There is absolutely no excuse for it. Anyone who commits this sort of crime, and anyone who helps covering it up, needs to be punished. Period.
And satan is a wuss. If that’s all he can come up with… jeez. What a hoser. I can do a better job than him.
Robert commented:
The liberal media can keep passing this non-story around and keep it in view. This allows them to continue bashing religion and its place in society.
We can clearly see that their success has led to loosening morals and ethics. Liberalism can only lead to a corrosion of societal cohesiveness. They think that the State alone can provide the necessary oversight, but that has proven to be a distinct failure.
Andreas K. commented:
“This allows them to continue bashing religion and its place in society.”
Robert, that’s not quite right. It allows them to bash Christianity. Notice how they never bash islam over the same issue, even though a recent study showed that one third of Turkish brides and wives are actually minors.
Taqiyy. commented:
BAM! Andreas hits the nail on the head.
““This allows them to continue bashing religion and its place in society.”
Robert, that’s not quite right. It allows them to bash Christianity. Notice how they never bash islam over the same issue, even though a recent study showed that one third of Turkish brides and wives are actually minors.”
Opus #6 commented:
This is a timely story. And important.
NC Cop commented:
“If a leftist rapes a 6 year old, he was seduced by the 6 year old and is totally innocent (because the leftist “sex god” Kinsey says so in his weird “theories”.)”
Well said. Roman Polanski anyone? He’s practically a hero to the left.
Kevin P commented:
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible….to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
Mike commented:
The issue here is that as parents, our church is the LAST place we would expect someone to abuse and molest our children, it does happen regardless. If someone at my children’s school molests a child, I would expect that they be brought to the proper authorities, not swept under the rug with a wink and nod.
How much more so for a person who professes to be a man of faith then hide behind the cloak of their denomination while those above them who hold more sway and power abandon the victim by walking away from the incident like it never occurred. The outrage is the abuse of a power that is supposed to be holy and sacred.
No, when people speak up against such travesty of injustice, all everyone can do is wimper “Oh, us poor Christians!” My response to THAT would likely get this post deleted, so just read between the lines.
Joanne commented:
I call Bull Shat and all that. I don’t believe that for a second.
Joanne commented:
The RC church has put priests on some kind of pedestal, and the patrons of the RC church have for years given them the respect of those sitting at the right hand side of God, so when their children are molested, they don’t pursue justice for their children, but allow the priests to be moved on. Someone close to me was molested and that priest was just moved to another church. You’d never think this young boy’s father would tolerate such action, but his respect for the position and the church made him impotent. I would have kicked that priest’s privates straight to his throat where he would choke to death on them. I have no respect for rapists.
Valerie commented:
Mike,
That’s not fair, and you know it. Nobody here is arguing that priests should be allowed to get away with this behavior. Rather, they are pointing out that NOBODY should be allowed to get away with it.
Including leftists and movie directors and teachers.
As parents, we can and should prevent that behavior, and I know how to do that, because my parents did it.
When I was fifteen, I was working at a fast-food restaurant, and my mother or my father would be waiting in the parking lot to pick me up when I got off shift late at night (11 pm).
There was another girl that worked with me, whose parents were splitting up, and sometimes the manager drover her home. They had an affair (statutory rape, folks) that nearly led to divorce for the manager (wife, two kids).
I only heard about it much later. I never saw anything odd, and the guy never exhibited any predatory behavior toward me. But then, my daddy was in the car waiting for me.
If the girl’s momma had been waiting for her, Polanski would never have been able to rape her.
cjtony97 commented:
This is not exactly a ringing endorsement for the Catholic church.
Candy commented:
Look, one kid is too many. Send them up, WITH proof and not wagon-jumpers. They should’ve gone through the torture of every single case, no matter how long. Hey, it took one of our ministries 10 years to get into a prison, God can use them there and if that’s what they did, that’s where they should be.
I’ll never call out a sister church, whether Jew, Protestant, whatever to deflect from our problem. I could go with national incest numbers, but it’s not the issue. I really don’t care what the media says, i’m working it from the inside and God knows who’s burning. I can’t count the calls, dressing down and warning of my priests (in other words, saying if any child tells me anything, they will not make it to the precinct, period), jumping all over those I know that run two places that ‘treat’ the abusers and the abused, keeping up with meeting of parish groups, etc.. I will not explain away or excuse for the ‘press’, it will make no difference.
I lot has been done, but we’ll never hear from them on it. If the church disappeared tomorrow, it wouldn’t be enough for them. They not only want to be small g gods, but to wipe out the history of God, period. Same beast, different name. If you smack down the church, they can’t speak on culling, abortions, conscience clauses, etc.. Remember, no priests, no eucharist.
When some of these 60′s/70′s re-published abuse cases went down, there were no hordes of Catholic psychologists (still rare), they used those in the world, who were pushing Freud, M and Johnson and dealing with the outside invitees (World Council, others who wanted to water down the faith and make God non-existent), at Vatican II and the sexual revolution. They treated it as something that could be cured, not the crime and disease it is.
But we were busy attempting opening doors and some ran with it to be of the world, (especially here), not following what was done but doing what they wanted… and the USCCB acted as if it were the Southern Baptist Conf or something separate from it’s mystical body (see CHA head, obstinate orders, heretical sisters, ask when they have mass or pray vs. their ‘marxist social justice’ disguised as liturgy).
How is it we have a nun in Illinois escorting girls and women to GET abortions?
How is it some parishes fight to the death for illegals not to get deported, yet not tell them it’s wrong to steal from citizens taxes, stay here for decades and not do things the right way?
I’m interested in any studies on the parents of the then children and the effects after waiting since the 50s to 70s and sometimes after priests died, to bring it out… what hell has that been all those years and what drug use, suicide, repeat offenses, psychiatric effect has that had? I just find the timing interesting in some cases and want to hear more on why the wait (whether taking a settlement, or silence clause, etc.. even though I can’t see how they could do it, but i’m not in the situation).
They are closing St. Vincent’s in NYC. That hospital and St. Claire’s took in AIDS patients when no one would touch them (they didn’t know what it was yet). Yet I watched Cardinal O’Connor spat on, the eucharist stomped on, many protests at St. Pat’s due to their misunderstanding of love the sinner, hate the sin. I also saw the Cardinal washing gay butts nights at the hospice that was opened, outside of cameras. These activists know most of their icons, founders of the movement in NY and friends treated and who are still dying today were there. Now they’re upset and demand at least the AIDS clinic remain open there in the village. After all these years of bashing. The last Catholic hospital.
We haven’t done as we should… We don’t pray, money and being of the world is more important. We have to catechize our children, we have to volunteer at our parishes and make sure we send our kids to our schools and get the state out (trust me, you don’t wanna know).
Let the state take care of those our schools, hospitals and charities always helped. Let them abort without Catholic hospitals and Christian people of conscience. Let’s separate the wheat from the chaff and get to the remnant, even if it means waiting till Sunday third world style for the priest to come through for Mass, maybe we would appreciate Our Lord, faith and what’s important then.
The time is short… Pray, put on your armor and carry two swords.
You may not believe it now, but the media does the church a favor and calls us to account… and I thank them for it; I will continue to call them out on lies, misrepresentations, misquotes, rehashs of stories from three decades ago where the priest is dead, there’s no proof and no one to witness to what happened.
Though the media’s intention was not the purest, even Sodom, Pharaoh, Salome, Gomer, Simon Magus and Judas had their purpose. I’m glad it was outed and wish it had been done earlier and not hidden.
They’re not shaking my faith, but making it stronger for the fight to come.
Andreas K. commented:
Taqiyy.
April 9th, 2010 | 8:29 am | #17
“BAM! Andreas hits the nail on the head.”
Well Taq, the media bias is so obvious here, it’s scary actually. Mind you, I’m not fan of Christianity, but this case shows what kind of sh*theads sit in the media outlets.
It doesn’t matter from what religion the rapist comes from. It’s irrelevant.
In Germany there was a similar scandal just a short while ago. Shortly after that Catholic church scandal, another such incident was brought to the public. This time, however, no Christians are involved. This happened at the Odenwaldschule, which is ~100 years old and sexual abuse and assault on students there has a ~100 year tradition. The founder of the school was known to rape girls under his care. Of course, the apoligists won’t call it “rape” (screw the fact that they were minors and the founder used his position of power and authority to get the little girls in his bed.)
But the Odenwald Scandal is not discussed in Germany. The media is silent about it. Former Odenwald students (like German Green party EU parliament fartnickel Cohn-Bendit, who once claimed that children in a kindergarten where he was working tried to sexually seduce him) are silent. Yet the same people point fingers at the Catholic church and scream.
One of the examples of what happened at the Odenwald school is this: one student was tied up and raped by other students with a banana while one the teachers was watching.
Minors at school were assaulted, their genitals seared and scalded by older students, often with teachers present.
Number of victims is atm 40.
As I said, the German media is silent, the left wing, too. They’re too busy bashing the Catholics. They don’t care about the victims. They only care about scoring points against their “enemy”. That should be pretty obvious.
The Odenwald school is one of those anti-authoritan liberal things. A “Kaderschmiede” for the German left wing and Green party, pretty much a, well, yes a cadre training and drill facility for the left wing.
Any man who rapes children is A) not a man and B) should be put against a wall and shot.
BTW, the one third of all Turkish wives and brides beind minors? That comes from the German newspaper “Die Welt” (lit. The World.) Die Welt is well known to kiss up to islamo-fascism. So if they bring something like that, it has to be true (or at least have some truth in its core.)
Joanne commented:
Societies that condone the slaughter of the unborn and the rape and torture of its children are doomed.
B\'ham commented:
Search “Shakeshaft child abuse” and you’ll find research studies that show that public school teachers are far more likely to abuse children, and in the range of 7-10 times more likely. For some reason Catholic priests and the Church get hammered for a relatively small number of incidents that occurred 4-5 decades ago and which have since been cleared up. When the incidents occurred, psychiatrists believed that the abusers could be counseled, and that was apparently not the case.
Mike commented:
So the real story is people abuse children? Wow! what a shocker. I guess the obvious solution is raise children in tanks.
nick b commented:
The only difference of course – which Jim Hoft conveniently fails to point out – is that people in other professions don’t get moved around to different areas to continue their abusing when they are exposed. They go to jail.
Taqiyyotomist commented:
nick b
NOT WITH ISLAM.
NOT IF THEY’RE LEFTISTS.
NOT IF THEY’RE PUBLIC SCHOOL FACULTY.
THEN THEY GET A F***ING PASS.
get a clue.
Taqiyyotomist commented:
And in those three, nick b, the abuse is rampant, and, as you say, “the only difference” is that the media, through long decades of practice, DOESN’T SEE NOTHIN’.
Dipso Facto commented:
The only difference of course – which Jim Hoft conveniently fails to point out – is that people in other professions don’t get moved around to different areas to continue their abusing when they are exposed. They go to jail.
Well, except for the teaching profession:
When the teacher is a pedophile
A recent investigation by the Associated Press found that sexual abuse of students by the nation’s teachers is rampant – yet criminal and civil sanctions to punish this behavior are spotty at best…
The result is that many offenders move from district to district and repeat their offenses – a scenario similar to the priest sexual abuse scandal that has plagued the Catholic Church for nearly a decade.
http://www.allbusiness.com/legal/trial-procedure-statute-limitations/8921607-1.html
Took me all of three seconds to find this article on Google, Nick. Sorry to deflate your big “Gotcha!” moment.
nick b commented:
That sound you hear is the moral authority the Catholic Church may once have possessed flying out the window. Jim Hoft thinks that by telling us that Catholic priests molest children at the same rate as other sectors of society then somehow that makes this better. Shows how low you have to go to defend your own side I guess.
Chisum commented:
nick b,
You continue to cling to that belief.
Good luck.
Dipso Facto commented:
Jim Hoft thinks that by telling us that Catholic priests molest children at the same rate as other sectors of society then somehow that makes this better.
Nope. It’s called “perspective.” Look it up in the dictionary.
Also, you should admit that you were wrong when you claimed that other professions don’t move their perpetrators around in an effort to avoid publicity.
Abuse is always wrong, as Jim said. He’s just highlighting the selective outrage of the press. And people like you, I guess.
Robert commented:
Jim Hoft thinks that by telling us that Catholic priests molest children at the same rate as other sectors of society then somehow that makes this better. Shows how low you have to go to defend your own side I guess.
Nobody is saying it’s better. And you know that the point is that one group is castigated while another (I suppose that would be YOUR side) goes unreported, and therefore uncorrected.
Because of politics involved, YOUR side doesn’t even do the right thing, but sweeps it under the rug, all while denigrating an entire institution for the actions of a few.
g2loq commented:
Everybody does it!
Does everybody also routinely transfer pedos to unsuspecting parishes?
All is well then! The good old boy network is doing just fine then!
Tar and feathers!
Brad commented:
I call total BS on this posting by Jim. There is no way on earth that there should be “the same rate” of Catholic ministers as pedophiles as the general public.
This is total crap. There’s no excuse, no justification, nothing. There’s no way on Gods’ green earth that we should trumpet that “there’s no scandal, there’s no difference between priests and the general public”. That’s inanely crazy!
This is crap plain and simple and it is a real scandal. Pointing out the truth is not “Catholic Bashing”… it’s truth telling.
Brad commented:
“Despite the bad press, the child sexual abuse rate by Catholic priests is no greater than any other demonination or the general public.”….
“bad press”????
This is nuts.
Dipso Facto commented:
When someone creates ridiculous straw men, it means he has no argument.
Joanne commented:
Snap out of it people.
nick b commented:
“Abuse is always wrong, as Jim said. He’s just highlighting the selective outrage of the press. And people like you, I guess.”
So men of god shouldn’t be held to a higher moral standard than school teachers? Got it.
Jo commented:
None Catholic Religions believe that if a Christian is going to rape ( insert denomination here, Baptise, Lutheran ,etc) then do it because God has already placed you either in heaven or in hell. There is no heavenly penalty. This is taken further by the Satanic New York Times that promote pedophile Mao Tse-tung because he used Atheist belief system of Karl Marx to shield his sick perversions. Onutjob does not go to Church, he likes Mao and Ayers’ Athiest philosophy. — No penelty-no concern.
Chisum commented:
In the meantime, how many of you have heard about this?
I guess that if you don’t acknowledge abuse it doesn’t exist.
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Dipso Facto commented:
So men of god shouldn’t be held to a higher moral standard than school teachers? Got it.
Again, when you have to resort to transparently stupid straw men, it means you have no faith whatsoever in your own argument.
And you still haven’t admitted you were wrong when you claimed in all spluttering indignation that no other profession moves its abusers around to escape bad publicity.
That sort of rigidity and denial is exactly the same as the rigidity and denial you’re criticizing. How ironic is that?
Dipso Facto commented:
Chisum:
Check the Vaclav Havel thread for racist comments planted by a leftist under the name “Michelle Obama.”
Chisum commented:
DF,
Wow. You’re right. Nasty.
Sojourner commented:
….”Anti-Catholicism,” said writer Peter Viereck, “is the anti-Semitism of the intellectual.” It is “the deepest-held bias in the history of the American people,” said Arthur Schlesinger Sr.”
..Keep the facts coming Jim..we need to expose and eliminate the biases of the ‘liberal elite’ while working to protect all children from predators regardless of their denomination, vocation or station. Godspeed.
Andreas K. commented:
Nick, oivech!
Nobody here has said that it’s better. I say there is consensus among here the Christians, Atheists and “those who’re not sure, don’t really care, just think that it should stay out of their face and think that reason must ultimately prevail” (like me) that raping children is 100% wrong.
Or do you disagree?
Mr Hoft dares to point out that the media is heavily biased in this current case, which is true.
Look at it! They’re so biased it’s not even remotely funny anymore.
Oh wait! Who cares about facts, right?
Do you know what the penalty in Germany is for raping a child?
Five years.
And no, sentences don’t stack in Germany. If you rape 1 child you get maximum of 5 years (that is if your lawyer is lazy) and if you rape 10 children you also get 5 years.
Comparison: a court in Japan, just recently, sentenced an elementary school teacher to 30 years in prison for raping several of his students. He’s 44. 30 years is the maximum penalty for this crime in Japan. He’ll be an old men when he gets out. If he gets out. Cause I doubt he’ll survive jail time. Child rapists are on the bottom of the food chain in prison and rightfully so. Other prisoners look down on them and, at times, assault them. And the guards often look away when it happens. Which I understand.
“So men of god shouldn’t be held to a higher moral standard than school teachers? Got it.”
Higher moral standard? Everyone should be held to the highest possible moral standard in such a case. Hell, the way I see it people should always try to follow the highest possible moral standard in any situation and case.
Or do you disagree?
Apparently you do. Since they’re “men of god” they fall under a different category of moral standard than a school teacher. So if a priest does it, it’s bad. But if a teacher does it… it’s okay? Or less bad?
Ok. This is where I say you’re an idiot and hopefully you’ll stay away from children.
Rape is bad. Period. It’s always 100% bad. There is no grading system for rape.
Let’s assume you have a daughter, she’s 7, she get raped. Would you actually give a damn who raped her? Whether it was a priest, a teacher or someone from inside the family, does it matter?
Honestly? I don’t think it matters. Why would it? Rape is rape. Rape is bad and the criminal who does it should be punished, no matter who or what he is. Period.
Mrs. X commented:
Sin is sin whether committed by a teacher or priest. Whether the sin is rape or adultery, sin is still sin in the eyes of God. Priest’s sin, they are not perfected individuals.
It is a shame we even have to point out the heinous acts of others. The media bias has driven us to this point with their INCESSANT bullying of the RCC.
We must remain faithful and steadfast.
B'ham commented:
Charol Shakeshaft, Hofstra researcher, and others have published studies showing the extent of sexual abuse in public schools. It dwarfs that committed by Catholic priests. This post is not to defend the indefensible actions of the few priests who committed these sins. Rather, it is meant to ask just what the objective of the mainstream media happens to be. Is the news meant to protect school children? I think not. The sole aim seems to be the defamation of the Church (which stands in the way of a progressive, secular agenda.)
g6loq commented:
The stark fact is that pedos cannot operate without some form of “protection”.
There always is a higher status facilitator in the background …
As to the Pope:
1st commandment: Yer Sex life is mah business.
2nd commandment: Our Sex life is none of your business.
squeaky commented:
“The sole aim seems to be the defamation of the Church (which stands in the way of a progressive, secular agenda.)” and it certainly keeps the lawyers busy and employed.
Carbon Monoxide commented:
g6loq:
My sex life is God’s business:
Gen 1:28, 9:1,7; 35:11 – from the beginning, the Lord commands us to be fruitful (“fertile”) and multiply. A husband and wife fulfill God’s plan for marriage in the bringing forth of new life, for God is life itself.
Gen. 28:3 – Isaac’s prayer over Jacob shows that fertility and procreation are considered blessings from God.
Gen. 38:8-10 – Onan is killed by God for practicing contraception (in this case, withdrawal) and spilling his semen on the ground.
Gen. 38:11-26 – Judah, like Onan, also rejected God’s command to keep up the family lineage, but he was not killed.
Deut. 25:7-10 – the penalty for refusing to keep up a family lineage is not death, like Onan received. Onan was killed for wasting seed.
Gen. 38:9 – also, the author’s usage of the graphic word “seed,” which is very uncharacteristic for Hebrew writing, further highlights the reason for Onan’s death.
Exodus 23:25-26; Deut. 7:13-14 – God promises blessings which include no miscarriages or barrenness. Children are blessings from God, and married couples must always be open to God’s plan for new life with every act of marital intimacy.
Lev.18:22-23;20:13 – wasting seed with non-generative sexual acts warrants death. Many Protestant churches, which have all strayed from the Catholic Church, reject this fundamental truth (few Protestants and Catholics realize that contraception was condemned by all of Christianity – and other religions – until the Anglican church permitted it in certain cases at the Lambeth conference in 1930. This opened the floodgates of error).
Lev. 21:17,20 – crushed testicles are called a defect and a blemish before God. God reveals that deliberate sterilization and any other methods which prevent conception are intrinsically evil.
Deut. 23:1 – whoever has crushed testicles or is castrated cannot enter the assembly. Contraception is objectively sinful and contrary, not only to God’s Revelation, but the moral and natural law.
Deut. 25:11-12 – there is punishment for potential damage to the testicles, for such damage puts new life at risk. It, of course, follows that vasectomies, which are done with willful consent, are gravely contrary to the natural law.
1 Chron. 25:5 – God exalts His people by blessing them with many children. When married couples contracept, they are declaring “not your will God, but my will be done.”
Psalm 127:3-5 – children are a gift of favor from God and blessed is a full quiver. Married couples must always be open to God’s precious gift of life. Contraception, which shows a disregard for human life, has lead to the great evils of abortion, euthanasia, and infanticide.
Hosea 9:11; Jer. 18:21 – God punishes Israel by preventing pregnancy. Contraception is a curse, and married couples who use contraception are putting themselves under the same curse.
Mal. 2:14 – marriage is not a contract (which is a mere exchange of property or services). It is a covenant, which means a supernatural exchange of persons. Just as God is three in one, so are a husband and wife, who become one flesh and bring forth new life, three in one. Marital love is a reflection of the Blessed Trinity.
Mal. 2:15 – What does God desire? Godly offspring. What is contraception? A deliberate act against God’s will. With contraception, a couple declares, “God may want an eternal being created with our union, but we say no.” Contraception is a grave act of selfishness.
Matt. 19:5-6 – Jesus said a husband and wife shall become one. They are no longer two, but one, just as God is three persons, yet one. The expression of authentic marital love reintegrates our bodies and souls to God, and restores us to our original virginal state (perfect integration of body and soul) before God.
Matt. 19:6; Eph. 5:31 – contraception prevents God’s ability to “join” together. Just as Christ’s love for the Church is selfless and sacrificial, and a husband and wife reflect this union, so a husband and wife’s love for each other must also be selfless and sacrificial. This means being open to new life.
Acts 5:1-11 – Ananias and Sapphira were slain because they withheld part of a gift. Fertility is a gift from God and cannot be withheld.
Rom.1:26-27 – sexual acts without the possibility of procreation is sinful. Self-giving love is life-giving love, or the love is a lie. The unitive and procreative elements of marital love can never be divided, or the marital love is also divided, and God is left out of the marriage.
1 Cor. 6:19-20 – the body is the temple of the Holy Spirit; thus, we must glorify God in our bodies by being open to His will.
1 Cor. 7:5 – this verse supports the practice of natural family planning (“NFP”). Married couples should not refuse each other except perhaps by agreement for a season, naturally.
Gal. 6:7-8 – God is not mocked for what a man sows. If to the flesh, corruption. If to the Spirit, eternal life.
Eph. 5:25 – Paul instructs husbands to love their wives as Christ loved the Church, by giving his entire body to her and holding nothing back. With contraception, husbands tell their wives, I love you except your fertility, and you can have me except for my fertility. This love is a lie because it is self-centered, and not self-giving and life-giving.
Eph. 5:29-31; Phil. 3:2 – mutilating the flesh (e.g., surgery to prevent conception) is gravely sinful. Many Protestant churches reject this most basic moral truth.
1 Tim. 2:15 – childbearing is considered a “work” through which women may be saved by God’s grace.
Deut. 22:13-21 – these verses also show that God condemns pre-marital intercourse. The living expression of God’s creative love is reserved for a sacramental marriage between one man and one woman.
Rev. 9:21; 21:8; 22:15; Gal. 5:20 – these verses mention the word “sorcery.” The Greek word is “pharmakeia” which includes abortifacient potions such as birth control pills. These pharmakeia are mortally sinful. Moreover, chemical contraception does not necessarily prevent conception, but may actually kill the child in the womb after conception has occurred (by preventing the baby from attaching to the uterine wall). Contraception is a lie that has deceived millions, but the Church is holding her arms open wide to welcome back her children who have strayed from the truth.
g6loq commented:
To: Carbon Monoxide
Where does it say: “protect the Clerics who F. the kids?”
What the point of quoting scriptures. It’s what you do.
F. the Kids —> Tar and Feathers.
Carbon Monoxide commented:
g6loq:
You seem to have a fixation on this. Usually when people hammer on the same thing, despite all logic and despite hearing the truth, it is to justify their own sin.
Maybe you need to look into your own heart.
It’s so easy to point at the speck in our neighbors eye while we have a plank in our own, isn’t it?