White House Announces Dems Will Use "Slaughter Rule" In Future– Possibly On Immigration
Posted by Jim Hoft on Friday, March 19, 2010, 5:16 AM
HOPE,CHANGE & TYRANNY—
White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs told reporters yesterday that the Democrats will use the “Slaughter Rule” to pass other pieces of legislation, including immigration.
Via BreitbartTV:
From the White House Press Briefing yesterday:
QUESTION: Thank you, Robert. Mark Levin with the Landmark Legal Foundation has prepared a suit against the President that if he signs the health care bill passed by the House without a recorded yea or nay vote required by Article I, Section 7 — my question on that is, would the President rule out signing future bills such as immigration reform or finance reform you mentioned earlier that are not subject to a yea or nay vote in both chambers?
MR. GIBBS: Again, this is — I think we’ve discussed on a number of occasions, certainly the last time we met inside, that this was — this is the type of thing that — the type of rule that you’ve seen pass on any number of instances. So I understand that there are those that want to discuss this as being a unique thing. It is not. I stated earlier that when this bill passes the House the President will be happy to sign it.
CNSNews spoke with conservative Mark Levin on this new Democratic maneuver to ram through their radical agenda:
Mark Levin, the president of the Landmark Legal Foundation, has noted that a lawsuit was brought in regards to a similar matter in the 1998 case of Clinton vs. City of New York, in which the U.S. Supreme Court found that the line-item veto was not constitutional.
That ruling cited the Constitution and stated that for a bill to become law it was neccary that “1) a bill containing its exact text was approved by a majority of the members of the House of Representatives; 2) the Senate approved precisely the same text; and 3) the text was signed into law by the president.”
Levin called the Slaughter Rule an “attempt to amend the Constitution without going through the process.”
“Gibbs’s incoherence is an attempt to deceive,” Levin told CNSNews.com on Thursday. “I have no doubt in my mind that the White House is working very closely with Pelosi and her lieutenants on this strategy of pretending they voted on an underlying bill when, in fact, they didn’t vote on it. So that’s why he is so deceitful.”
“His boss (Obama) yesterday, in an interview with Fox News and Brett Baier made quite clear that he’s well aware of what’s going on at the Hill and whatever comes to him, he’s going to sign,” said Levin. “So what we’ve learned from Brett Baier and you is that we have two branches of government that are absolutely committed to violating the Constitution in order to achieve an illegitimate ends.”
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NC Cop commented:
Unfortunately, I think health care is a done deal. I think Obama has bought and threatened enough people to get the votes.
Now, of course, they move on to the next socialist item on their agenda and plan to use the Slaughter rule. I’m shocked………really.
Absolutely unbelievble.
MAJ Mike commented:
As I thought!!!! This “deem and pass” on major legislation will evolve into rule by decree. Looks like this will be THE ONE’s “Enabling Act” and the rest of the Reichstag/DemCong will be able to force their Euro-socialist nanny state completely down our throats.
Chip Bennett commented:
Wrong, Mr. President, and wrong, Mr. (Mouth of Sauron) Gibbs.
Every legislative bill for which the House has used a self-executing rule in the past has already been considered, debated, voted on, and passed by the House.
In all uses of a self-executing rule, the House has never “deemed” as passed a bill on which it has not yet voted, but rather uses “deem and pass” in order to expedite passage of the Conference Report for a bill that has passed both House and Senate.
Thus, in all such cases, the Congressional record will show the results of the consideration of the bill. What is being “deemed” is merely that bill, as amended in Conference.
The Slaughter rule is unprecedented.
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JPL17 commented:
OK, gloves off. This qualifies as “high crimes and misdemeanors.”
First order of a Republican-controlled House of Representatives in January 2011 will be to draw up articles of impeachment.
Everything is at stake. It is the obligation of every American patriot to do everything possible to rid Congress of its Democratic majority this year.
Pat the First commented:
So if the Slaughter rule is dragged through the courts and things grind to a very slow death, come November B.O. isn’t going to be able to get anything pass because leadership is going to be in the hands of the GOP.
AuntieMadder commented:
I’m shocked, too, and appalled. The Demonrats are telling the world that they have no intention to follow the law, that they’ll do what they want, or as MAJ Mike put it, rule by decree.
When do we call this a coup of the executive and legislative branches of the US govt? When they decree themselves rulers for life? When, by decree, they bring in a bazillion immigrants and allow them to elect them rulers for life? When we’re imprisoned for complaining or executed for non-compliance? When it’s too damned late?
Pat the First commented:
About half hour ago, Boehner was on Fox News. When his interview concluded, they called him the next “Speaker”. He just smiled. San Fran Nan’s approval rate is 3% according to S.E. Cupp on Hannity last night.
Chip Bennett commented:
@NC Cop: it’s not a done deal. Frau Pelosi doesn’t have the votes. If she did, it would already be on the floor of the House, being voted on.
The budget reconciliation bill may be a non-starter also, as House members know that a) it can’t be used to “fix” everything they oppose in the Senate bill (see: abortion funding), b) the Senate will never move on the bill, and c) their constituents will hold them accountable for passing the Senate bill.
So, don’t give up hope yet.
@MAJ Mike:
I almost want the House to try this, just so that it can get run up to SCOTUS sooner, rather than later – so that the Tyrranical Triumverate can get put back in their place as soon as possible.
These antics are rather quickly rising to the degree of dereliction of duty, if not outright subversion of the Constitution.
If Obama signs a bill that has not been passed by the House, then right after Boehner assumes the Speakership next January, the House should commence immediately on the drafting of Articles of Impeachment against both the President and the deposed Speaker Pelosi. (Reid will – thankfully – be looking for a cushy K Street job by then, so no need to worry about him.)
TrickyDick commented:
And when the next election comes in November we’lll be happy to vote these cretins out of office and when the next presidential election comes that lying communist a**hole will be voted out too.
ahem commented:
Thanks for the heads-up, Gibbsy.
Pat the First commented:
The problem is, Chip, too many of the Dems don’t care what you or the majority of us want or think. For some reason, they are hellbent on destroying the US. The problem is they just are not listening. And they just DO NOT CARE.
Aitch748 commented:
As far as I am concerned, this spreads a pall of ILLEGITIMACY over our current federal government. As far as I am concerned, we don’t have a moral obligation to obey rules and regulations passed by the feds in this way. (Just don’t get caught breaking the rules.
)
It’s long past time we started making life as “interesting” for the people in the Beltway as our own lives are becoming, thanks to these freaks. Of course, our methods will have to be different and much more creative, and we can’t expect the feds to be as lenient toward us as they were towards the rioting “peace protesters” when Bush was President, because as we now know, dissent isn’t considered a virtue anymore.
M Malone commented:
This would all sound so much better in the original German.
Chip Bennett commented:
@Pat the First:
They don’t have the votes.
None of the whip counts have them even close. At best, they are 12 votes away. At worst, they are twice that far away.
The most accurate counts I have seen have the “Yeas” at 204, the “Nays” at 211, and the “undecideds” at about 16.
All 16 “undecideds” are from heavily conservative districts, and are definitely leaners toward “Nay” votes.
Also, as far as I can tell, aside from Stupak himself, none of these whip counts are really tallying the Stupak block as probable “Nay” votes, due to the abortion launguage.
From the vote in November (not counting members no longer in the House), Pelosi has gained 2 confirmed Nay-to-Yea switches, and has lost at least TEN Yea-to-Nay switches.
The momentum is not in her favor, and she knows it. That’s why the bill has yet to come to the floor of the House.
kate commented:
We, on the right, were not vigilant. We allowed this to happen. Most of us may not deserve it, but we all have a responsibility as citizens. I take my blame. I didn’t think elections mattered. I thought the 2 candidates were so similar there was no difference.
It was more difficult before the internet to get a more complete picture of who the candidates are. In years gone by you only heard what they said or what the media would have you know.
Anyone who voted for Obama? There’s no excuse for the damage you did to this country.
You are either stupid, deluded or lazy. Or a combo pack. You voted for our destruction.
aprilnovember811 commented:
I will not follow this law. It is a violation of the Constitution to force Americans to purchase health care period. They can go to hell, we will not do this, OBAMA IS ILLEGITIMATE!
Pat the First commented:
Chip, when Krauthammer says he thinks it will pass, it probably is going to pass. And then the fireworks start. Idaho has passed a law that this abomination cannot be forced on their citizens. VA and 30+ other states are lining up to sue. The SCOTUS could stop this whole thing pretty easily.
raybojabo commented:
This isn’t fair. How ’bout we taxpayers get our own “deem and pass” rule and “deem” these treasonous fools in this congress and administration unfit for office and “pass” on Novembers election and just throw them out of office on Sunday after they commit this atrocity.
Pat the First commented:
aprilnovember811
March 19th, 2010 | 7:09 am | #15
Good luck on that one. However, the truth is that the $2,500 fine is cheaper than the $12,000 for the premiums.
Fuzzy commented:
So that’s it. If they get away with Slaughter rule on HCR, they’ll use if for everything: amnesty for illegals, Cap and Tax, signing away our sovereignty to the UN. Is our constitutional republic really dead? Just like that? I’m stunned.
Opus #6 commented:
Did they give the CBO the numbers of illegal aliens who would be covered under Amnesty+Obamacare? No. This will bankrupt us. Jim Cramer says the stock market will topple. America’s destruction is proceeding apace.
Exasperated commented:
Who is sleazier, Bill Clinton’s Press Secretary, Joe Lockhart, or Barack Obama’s Press Secretary, Robert Gibbs?
What a bunch of maggots and cockroaches. Thanks 52%ers! You imbeciles.
Andreas K. commented:
Stock up on ammo while you still can.
The immigration “reform” is another slap in the face of every American and every legal alien who works his/her butt off to get to the US.
But… this is another thing Obama wants to copy from Europe.
And guess what. Obama style immigration isn’t working here. And yet again, it’s pushed by the left wing politicians and the media here as well.
You don’t want to copy our immigration systems, which have brought us soaring crime rates and violence and the destruction of billions of Euros.
landlocked sailor commented:
I’m with aprilnovember811, we must all refuse to play along, on a state government and individual level. In effect, we turn Cloward-Piven back on them….overwhelm the federal law enforcement structure with complete noncompliance. I do think though, that if they “succeed” in pulling off the Slaughter maneuver, this will go to SCOTUS almost immediately and be shot down hard.
BackwardsBoy commented:
It will take many years to reverse the damage that Obama is doing to the country.
What a shock to think that our enemies have taken our government away from us. Of this there can be no doubt. May we recover in time to recapture the spirit of freedom and purge Washington of the poison of “progressivism” .
BillyBob56 commented:
It is really, really sad to witness the DECONSTRUCTION of the once great United States of America at the hands of these anti-Americans and legislative scum.
This legislation is the cornerstone of big government and the end of yours and mine freedom.
greenfairie commented:
I propose a new Constitutional amendment that allows the people to recall the President at any time.
Obama is going to kill us before 2012. For all we know, buried in that 2400 page abomination of a health care bill that also takes over student loans, there’s a formal declaration that makes Obama emperor for life. He’s sure acting like it.
Jo commented:
Dems support illegals because they support the Dems to end America.
M Anders commented:
I can only imagine the utter chaos in this country if it were a republican president and congress operating this way. There would be complete anarchy with literal rioting in the streets. I don’t ever want to hear another fool-ass democrat refer to President Bush or any other republican president as an imperialist or fascist. This is unreal! But it’s worse than that. I’m seriously concerned that if this M/O is not stopped immediately and it continues on, the consequences could be disastrous. I’m not talking about disastrous for democrats in the upcoming election either. I’m seriously worried that something terrible may happen, even to the President. I know how this whole thing has affected me causing near panic at times. But it’s not me any of them have to worry about. There are however people in our society (and you know they’re out there) who would consider it (or heaven forbid may already have considered it) a God-given assignment “for the good of the country” to do something drastic. Does anyone else share that fear? I seriously pray to God nothing like that happens.