Anarchists Plan War On April 15th Tea Parties
Posted by Jim Hoft on Wednesday, March 31, 2010, 5:38 PM
WARNING: Be on the lookout–
Bring your cameras.
Violent anarchists are planning on infilitrating and sabotaging the Tea Party Protests on April 15th.
The Jawa Report posted this call to arms from the violent anarchists at Infoshop today:
Crash the tea parties!
On April 15th thousands of right-wingers will attend rallies in cities and towns across the United States. The organizers of this nationwide day of protest call it a tea party. This tea party movement that emerged only a year ago is a coalition of conservatives, anti-Semites, fascists, libertarians, racists, constitutionalists, militia men, gun freaks, homophobes, Ron Paul supporters, Alex Jones conspiracy types and American flag wavers. If the tea party movement continues to grow in size and strength there is a big chance they will dominate this country in the near future. If the tea party movement takes over this country they will really hurt poor people by getting rid of social programs like food stamps, unemployment benefits, disability benefits, student aid, free health care, etc. The tea party movement will say these programs must be gotten rid of because hard-working taxpayers cannot afford to pay for these things especially when the economy is in a depression. There are three options we have with the tea party movement:1. Organize counter-protests against the tea party demonstrations, same time, same place. This is probably the best option. We need to get in the streets on April 15th and show the tea party movement that there are lots of people out there who oppose their agenda.
2. Get individual tea party protesters to leave the right-wing and move to the left politically. That would involve passing out stuff like this at the tea party demonstrations: http://www.anarchist-studies.org/node/299
3. Ignore the tea party movement. This is the worst option because without anyone opposing them they could easily gain power.
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Tom Mannis commented:
I’ll wear my hard hat and carry my “little friend” under a jacket.
Chris commented:
Modern anarchism is basically the bastion of idiot college students. How else do you reconcile a philosophy that calls for no government whatsoever with this laundry list of entitlement freebies:
“food stamps, unemployment benefits, disability benefits, student aid, free health care, etc.”
And people wonder why I consider the post-WW2 generations, on the whole, to be the most worthless in human history.
Andrew B commented:
Perhaps my dictionary is broken, but I can’t help but join in wondering why anarchists–whose entire political theory is based on the absence of government–would favor vast, costly social programs. Shouldn’t they, instead of shilling for food stamps, welfare and “free” healthcare, tell the poor to build a yurt and raise goats?
Again, my defective dictionary also seems to have a definition of “irony” that is not found in the anarchists’ edition.
wanumba commented:
I mentioned this sort of thing to watch out for a couple of days ago – the “flash mobs” insta-organize riots becoming a tool for intimidation especially at the November elections. The recent Philly flash mob violence looked like practice.
Jim commented:
This will,I believe, be a very grave mistake on their part. I too will be carrying my little friend and hope they do not decide to get violent with me or the wife. (she will have her little friend also)
Gravis commented:
I smell fear in the air. Fear that these idiots will lose all of their entitlements.
Go on, you bratty college-failures – Go on and prove how everything we say about progressives and liberals are true; you’ll only make us stronger.
We’re not going to stop until every piece of socialistic communism is cleaned out of American’s veins and then when we take it back, we’ll throw you over our knees and spank you like the children you are.
exceller commented:
Right, the deadbeats on foodstamps on unemployment are going to attend a rally? not bloodly likely. Perhaps if the SEIU pays enough of them they might.
exceller commented:
Good point AndrewB. Who knew that anarchists would be so enamored with social programs.
Jack Liberty commented:
The site’s name is Infoshop, not Infowars.
Jenny commented:
The kids at those Philly flashmobs aren’t leftists. They’re kids whose parents allow them to run wild in the streets. The left wingers who plan to infiltrate include the same types that created violent raids on churches over the past few years. Infoshop is host to these sorts of radicals. What we need to do is to speak with local police in cities and towns where there are protests in advance. Print out copies of these left wing screeds and give them to the police.
Our best defense is documentation. What has prevented infiltrators from getting away with it in the past, is exposure. We all need to carry video cameras, and take turns video recording the protests we attend. Pay attention especially to those who stand out. Be prepared to catch any untoward behavior. If there are signs or behaviors that aren’t representative of the tea party issues, point these people out to the local police, and have them remove the radicals don’t get involved in any of their contretemps.. because they will use any excuse to make us look bad. Again, sunlight is the best disinfectant, and the left wing can’t handle being exposed.
Chris R commented:
Yeah, anarchists should join the Tea Party, not that we need them. This just goes to show you that no matter how far left you get, there’s ALWAYS some hypocrisy present.
NW Boiler commented:
Something tells me that some organized leftists are trying to use the idiotic anarchists to gin up some confrontations at the tea parties.
That’s the only way that post makes sense on an anarchist web site. I wouldn’t doubt that the same, or similar, post is spread around many other sites frequented by the stupid, yet violent, crowd.
KR commented:
They are anarchists only in the sense that they like two year olds don’t want mommy to tell them to behave and throw tantrums.
But shortly later go running back to the apron strings.
d_fitz commented:
I wouldn’t be too worried about these morons. One, nobody is paying them to protest, and two, it means getting out of bed before 3 pm.
gus commented:
They’ll be easy to smell.
Militant Conservative commented:
Gravis
March 31st, 2010 | 5:49 pm | #6
LOL, they are really afraid of the TPM. Thier numbers are not sufficent to stand against us.
I don’t take little friends I bring big dawgs.
Took a vacation day for this event. Sean Hannity will be here in Atlanta. Atlanta’s finest will be very visible and watching for trouble. WE are not starting anything but a revolution to the founding principles. The Dem’s are the rope smoking reprobate hippies, and they know it.
Confronted some and it absolutely ties thier tails in knots because they know its true. powder is dry.
wanumba commented:
Anarchists are just totally self-absorbed narcissists, without consideration for anyone, anything beyond their egos. But, so what? They are very capable of destruction, the new pagan Vandals – smashing what society has built for no purpose, but to break.
Weatherman bombers William Ayers and Bernadine Dorn and their fellow-travelers are not “poor,” or “desperate” starving folks, they were spoiled amoral brats from comfortable families.
Bring cameras. Many many. People might consider bringing their pit bulls. Surprisingly friendly dogs if everyone is chill, actually, but, how does one phrase this, score 98% on protective instincts.
Remember a couple years ago the anarchists had a staged march against conservatives, all chanty-jembe-thumping, then at a pre-arranged signal, the front line holding the banner dashed forward en mass and knocked an old lady down, just ran right over her and left her writhing in pain on the pavement.
Jim Rose commented:
So “anarchists” love government? We’ve lost the language.
d_fitz commented:
I agree with MC, I’ve been to two protests in Chicago and both times there was a lot of sympathetic police presence. They’re trained to deal with morons, let em take care of business, and we’ll go about ours.
Militant Conservative commented:
Jim Rose
March 31st, 2010 | 6:17 pm | #18 RE:post#3
damit Jim read the post and think.
I’m an engineer not a doctor.
anon commented:
RE: #2 Chris
Actually, forget student aid. I remember in my college course there was a self-proclaimed anarchist who said that colleges should be free. The professor, also a self-proclaimed anarchist, AGREED! But, when I raised my hand and asked how he would be paid since a) there would be no government and b) colleges would be free, he gave a short stammering (non)answer that made no sense whatsoever and started back on the material because “the semester is ending and we have a lot to get through.”
Just be happy you don’t have to go to school with this people like I do =)
Not Intimidated commented:
Let’s see…
Masked, black-clad anarchists attacking average Americans holding flags and exercising their constitutional rights to free speech?
This won’t boomerang back into the faces of the Democrats at all. Not a chance. It’s a brilliant PR move. Americans like nothing more than watching masked lunatics harassing citizens for standing up to an oppressive government.
jkt commented:
You gotta love “anarchists” who will protest for government food stamps.
Patriot Lady commented:
We should keep our cool and don’t even acknowledge they are even around. That will get them every time. If we start anything with our little friends this could bring about marshall law and that would stop us in our tracks. Keep your cool and win in the end.
jones commented:
That flier in #2 is going to convert who to anarchism? They say W. lived in a bubble. Who is going to read that crap and NOT be repulsed.
The anarchists need to picck up Orwell’s “All Art is Propoganda” and learn how to write.
Ninnies.
Kevin commented:
Beware of their strategy,
They will blend in so they can get into position.
They will be polite, smile, and come off as “one of us”.
They will have anti Obama, Obamacare signs, or anti Big Government signs.
This is their strategy in order for you to let your guard down.
When the Trojan Horses are in positions, they will then move to disrupt, cause chaos, and provoke you into a fight.
They want that “snap shot” moment for the media to catch and run with to help discredit this great movement.
They have to resort to these thug tactics since they don’t have the intelligence to challenge us on the issues.
BigJ commented:
Here in CA, we can’t (legally) carry “little friends” with us. I’ll just smack ‘em over the head with my sign if violence erupts.
Sickofobama commented:
Oh my God – people will be waving American flags. What a horror!
The leftist freaks in this country must be stood up to – just let them try to start a ruckus.
Make sure you have plenty of patriots around you so there will be witnesses in case the freaks start violence – which they want to do.
myohmy commented:
If only these anarchists join their other fellow Americans making a living to bring food on the table instead siphoning government welfare programs.
Valerie commented:
In this particular altercation, the cellphone camera is the best weapon.
Heh. They used them in Iraq, too.
MrBlonde commented:
I thought Alex Jones is Infowars. He sure advertises it enough.
Of course, Alex is a nutjob, but like a blind squirrel with a stopped clock, occasionally finds a relevant fact.
I see now, it’s INFOSHOP, not the other looney site. I bet this is the site Olbermann writes in his spare time.
Rusty in Alaska commented:
Bring the most portable “super soaker” you can buy and when these punks expose themselves (no pun intended) soak their crotch so it looks like they peed their pants.. and then they won’t want to get caught on any tv news camera..!
Kevin commented:
The other strategy I believe they will have is to look for a camera crew from one of the local or national networks, come off as “one of us” and then let loose on a tirade about Obama.
Also using foul language, or slang words to describe minorities. Put up crazy signs about Obama, or shout out stuff that will make the Tea Party look bad. This is another strong possibility of occurring.
Ginger commented:
Each rally needs to hire off duty police officers! As many as need for the size of rally expected. What better witness then a police officer or private detective. Maze maybe?
Ozwitch commented:
“Masked, black-clad anarchists attacking average Americans holding flags and exercising their constitutional rights to free speech?
This won’t boomerang back into the faces of the Democrats at all. Not a chance. It’s a brilliant PR move. Americans like nothing more than watching masked lunatics harassing citizens for standing up to an oppressive government.”
This is not what they will do. They will send non-whites to get into a skirmish or angry debate with white TPM members. They will try to provoke and then edit the reactions to ‘prove’ the violent racism meme.
Do not, do not be dragged into a confrontation with these folks. They will disguise themselves, infiltrate the crowd, pretend to be sympathetic with you, say they are ‘ex-democrats’ or whatever, get the argument heated, and then whammo! you’re on the news as a violent racist because you dared to point your finger at a minority person. This will be their tactics.
Ginger commented:
Have the duck tape and rope ready. hehehehe
kansas commented:
Anarchists sound a lot like Alinsky Democrats.
Opaobie commented:
The only “friends” you need to bring are two-legged or four-legged ones, and bring carloads of them. You know the tolerance for anything that even appears threatening will be magnified by the media and used against the entire movement. Maybe the “anarchists” should be heading to Michigan to join those nut-jobs.
Eden commented:
A life lived in fear is no life at all, and I am not going to be afraid of this mental midgets.
CommieBlaster commented:
Here’s how to stop them: http://www.commieblaster.com/velvet-revolution/
wanumba commented:
OT, but relevent:
BorderInvasion hidden camera:
http://www.borderinvasionpics.com/Invasion.html
Ginger commented:
Hey we can put on our PINK hats and demand a citizen arrest and slap handcuffs on them.
Steve commented:
I can’t wait to have these little sissy bastards try to disrupt on April 15. Awesome.
wanumba commented:
Eden
March 31st, 2010 | 7:46 pm | #39
A life lived in fear is no life at all, and I am not going to be afraid of this mental midgets.
…….
Oh, no fear, but much savvy required. Learn what these anarchists do to disrupt and frame people, and be prepared for “defusing” the tactics.
Video cameras are helping A LOT, LOTS of them, but find out the tricks, and gimmicks .. and know that that these people will lie and weasel thru everything they do.
Actually have a lot of faith in a movement of self-reliant people of industrious and entreprenuerial minds.
Read: creative thinkers, problem-solvers.
wanumba commented:
Ginger
March 31st, 2010 | 7:55 pm | #42
Hey we can put on our PINK hats and demand a citizen arrest and slap handcuffs on them.
…………….
Something like this?
http://www.galls.com/style.html?assort=general_catalog&style=RS164
Not Intimidated commented:
They will send non-whites to get into a skirmish or angry debate with white TPM members. They will try to provoke and then edit the reactions to ‘prove’ the violent racism meme.
Actually, the site itself says they’re going to organize counter-protests against the tea party demonstrations to show that there are lots of people out there who oppose their agenda.
If I know anarchists, that means in-your-face confrontations by people incapable of restraining themselves.
It’ll backfire spectacularly.
AuntieMadder commented:
More Orewellian NewSpeak: anarchy means bigger govt. Anarchists promote that bigger govt so they can live off it.
Contemplationist commented:
Folks this info needs to go viral to the Tea Party leaders and members. They need to be prepared for any and all such behavior. Remember the media only needs one 5-second clip of violence that they will play on repeat till the election.
This will prove whether we are Europe yet or not.
Any way to contact the TPM leaders?
Mike commented:
Oh, they’re afraid of losing their free stuff???? Oh wait, it’s not free, WE pay for it!
Montjoie commented:
Huh? Anarchists are in favor of “social programs like food stamps, unemployment benefits, disability benefits, student aid, free health care.” What? Do they even know what anarchy means?
Thomas40 commented:
Bring them on. I’m ready to shake off the cobwebs after a long cold winter.
These cowards (only cowards hide behind bandanas and hoodies) need a good beat down.
Craig 1959 commented:
PEOPLE….Think about what you are saying….”I’ll have my “little friend” under my coat”…?!! NO..!!! To do this is to dao JUST what they want…!! I plan to be in D.C. on the 15th and I will be “armed”…Yes, I’ll have the Constitution in one hand and my Bible in the other…!! Please do the same…!! The only other “little friend” I’ll be carrying is mt VIDEO CAMERA.!!!! DO NOT COME ARMED.!!!! PLEASE………!!! I will tell you this, If I SEE “a little friend” other than like what I’ll have, I WILL report you……PROMISE…….!!!
BurmaShave commented:
These guys are anarchists?!? B!S! Anarchists are opposed to government PERIOD. These are violent Leftists. And of course as Leftist, they are also liars, and trying to subvert our language.
If these were genuine anarchists they would be criticizing the Tea Parties not for wanting to resist Leftist’s Big Government agenda, but for not wanting to violent destroy the government all together.
Anarchists also want to destroy society. That is the connection that these Leftist have with anarchists, and with terrorists for that matter.
Mitch commented:
Bring video cameras and confront them.
It’ll be fun.
AuntieMadder commented:
Craig 1959
March 31st, 2010 | 8:58 pm | #52
You make some good points.
Umm commented:
OK, so this particular brand of anarchists likes government programs? Someone said that modern anarchists had something to do with college, but it sure doesn’t sound like they have a high school education. Wow, good luck doing anything to stop the TEA Parties, because unlike a bunch of anarchists who like government, most of the TEA Party folks are at least smart enough to know what anarchy is. Real anarchists would probably be helping to organize TEA Parties, not fighting them. Here is a quote from this article: “…I also don’t want to live in a property based society where I’m denied healthcare because I don’t make enough money. Until we get rid of that property based economic relationship, then I’ll gladly take social services from the state…” In other words, …I’m in an anti government group, that loves the government??? I also notice that these “anarchists” are based in Washington DC. I would trust anarchists from Kentucky, Montana, or Alaska maybe, but certainly not anarchists who prefer to live in Washington DC:)
ptritsch commented:
How about a squirt gun filled with ammonia?
Anarchist commented:
Whats up Tea Baggers?!? Well, for one, anarchists are opposed to government as you all seem aware. However, anarchists are not opposed to the Tea Parties because we are FOR government programs. Anarchists are opposed to you because you are xenophobic fascists.
Let me address that a bit further. All anarchists are opposed to the state. But some anarchists, as I would assume of the person who wrote this call, would like to see government programs that kill, and maim erased before basic social programs. For instance, why strengthen military spending, and cut health care funding? That is a typical argument. However, this has little to nothing to do with why most anarchists, that I have met and discussed with, are appalled with your ilk.
You people are throwing a pathetic national temper tantrum because your corporate party didn’t win the 2008 election. Furthermore, you’re imagery, your slogans, your flyers, are often nationalistic, pro-capitalist, racist, or just simply stupid. So obviously, anarchists will oppose you and continue to do so. The one remarkable thing, is how such a large group of people don’t have a basic understanding of political philosophy, and social issues. But thats another topic.
ripped commented:
Jim your link says INFOWARS it’s linked to infoshop.
truth teller commented:
Anarchist,
For a non-capitalist, you sure are hypocritically enjoying the fruits of capitalism (electricity, computers, plastic, plentiful food, ………..). Without the modern innovations spurred by capitalism, you would be living off the land somewhere, unable to spout your insane viewpoint.
UpChuck.Liberals commented:
@Anarchist
WTF are you going to do if you don’t get your monthly check? You either abolish government or you don’t, pick one moron. You either steal food, threaten to get it, work to grow it or starve, again pick one. I’ll tell you right now if it’s any of the first two it won’t be for long if you’re anywhere around me and my friends. I believe in being green, ropes are reusable and bodies make great fertilizer.
Marsh commented:
Projection FTW!
At least the anarchists are finally starting to admit they’re left wing. I’ve heard so many leftists say anarchists are “really right wingers”.
Not Intimidated commented:
But some anarchists, as I would assume of the person who wrote this call, would like to see government programs that kill,[sic] and maim erased before basic social programs. For instance, why strengthen military spending,[sic] and cut health care funding? That is a typical argument. However, this has little to nothing to do with why most anarchists,[sic] that[sic] I have met and discussed with[sic], are appalled with[sic] your ilk.
Jeez. Bruce of the superfluous commas and homemade grammar is back.
Ron commented:
The urgency of this message by ARA shows us tea partiers have already won. But we need to make it an overwhelming embarrassment for the failures on and of the left.
Yes, keep your eyes open and cameras going. But they’re more or less a group to just brush off our shoulders.
Their method (number 2) is going to be their biggest failure but they’re free to try and push across propaganda that only works on non-thinking lefties. ARA obviously has no idea who we, the tea party protesters, are in social and political terms. Poster #58 “Anarchist” is a clear example of them.
Marsh commented:
Actually what they’ll probably do is show up with the most offensive signs possible in order to give the leftist media what they crave. If I was an enemy of the Tea Party movement that’s what I’d do. If you notice a sudden influx of bigoted signs now you’ll know why. If they do indeed try that make sure you confront them with a video camera and quiz them on conservatism in order to expose them as frauds.
Anarchist commented:
If you think electricity and computers are “the fruits of capitalism” than you really are as dumb as I expected. So if one plays Tetris you are enjoying the fruits of Soviet “communism”? From your argument one could also argue Ben Franklins inventions are the product of a slave system. Nobody makes arguments like that because they are obviously absurd.
Lastly, one can obviously be opposed to government and live accordingly. However, if one attempts to do this, since the government has, or attempts to have a monopoly on coercive force, then one quickly finds out that it isn’t possible without resistance.
Then come the Tea Baggers! While we try to fight state power, we have the Goof Troop called the Tea Party who comes around and would like to strengthen the very institutions we are opposed to. There are some of you who are nothing but typical neo-conservative supporters — who have a blood lust for attacking Middle Eastern states, and promoting ridiculous military spending (which Obama is doing as well.) And then we have the flip side, with the Ron Paul people who would like to end military interventions and throw the military on the borders, which is just as appalling. So regardless, we will continue to oppose your ilk!
newton commented:
“How about a squirt gun filled with ammonia?”
Now, that would be fighting back with hygiene…
Anyway, I say bring this info to every local law enforcement agency you can find ASAP. They know how to deal with these punks. If some of you can help the police in this, volunteer for it. Plenty of cameras and walkies. A few cans of pepper spray wouldn’t be bad.
Remember those anarchists have turned violent in the past and have indeed harmed people. Remember those who were attacked during the GOP convention in Minneapolis. Since they have done so in the past, expect for them to repeat it in the future.
The Left in this country think they have the monopoly on protests, but I have news for them: that ship has sailed, that train has left the station. They don’t like the fact We The People have rightfully invaded what they thought was their turf.
Expect for them to turn violent on us… and for them to blame it on us because “Look what YOU’ve made us do!” That’s why we better coordinate with law enforcement ASAP.
Anarchist commented:
@Marsh Any anarchist that is claiming to be right wing is either not an anarchist, or entirely ignorant about anarchist theory and practice. Furthermore, anarchists aren’t concerned about the corporate medias reports since 1) they are capitalist institutions and 2) being such they are overtly hostile to absolutely anything we have done and will do. We will oppose you because we all know where these “movements” lead.
Peter commented:
I’m for bringing little friends too, video cameras, cell phones and voice recorders. The left, just like in the 1920s and ’30s, are hungry for their new Horst Wessel. Nor is there much they won’t do to get their new Horst Wessel. I, for one, will leave my gun when I go to the rally in Grand Prairie, TX. So, I risk getting my 63 year old hiney kicked, that is better than giving the Left the martyr they so crave.
wanumba commented:
Anarchist
March 31st, 2010 | 9:42 pm | #58
Anarchists are opposed to you because you are xenophobic fascists.
…………
Would you get a dictionary and look up the word, “facist.”
Look up “xenophobic,” too while you’re at it.
Who just nationalised health insurance, student loans, auto manufacturers, took majority stakes in banks, forcing gazillions of dollars through greedy government bureaucrats hands,
the Tea Party or the Democrats?
We have ignoramouses for anarchists. Just idiots.
kay commented:
They mix in with the tea partiers and then “turn” and start spouting crap? Instead of wacking them with your signs or taking out your ‘little friends’ surround them, isolate them, and start PRAYING loudly or singing the national anthem.
That will absolutely drive them bonkers to the point their heads will explode so be sure to wear ponchos and bring handiwipes.
This April 15 will be the first head to head confrontation so the police better be fair, everyone bring their cameras, and watch the ‘spittle’ – yell it don’t spray it!
Another tactic: as they’re yelling at you or at those around you, put your signs in front of their face. don’t touch their face but use your sign as a buffer to muffle them. If they grab your sign, don’t let go. Tug of war! If they tear your sign, don’t get scared. keep holding up the part of the sign you have and keep singing or praying.
Repetition of the same words drives them nutty!
You will not turn any of these people with logic. Hence you must be prepared to out last them with your repetition.
It is a game of who blinks first. Do you have what it takes to stand there being yelled at by someone that hates you and wants to take what you have from you?
Can you outlast them? They’ve been at this since the 60s. They’ve had 40 years of repetition practice, of wearing you down to a point that you will give in to just get away.
You’ve just blinked. You’ve just lost.
Be prepared to hold the line! Stand your ground! Remember that these are union people who have been on strike at one time or another and have turned back trucks and strike busters with threats of intimidation.
I watched this happen with my father and a certain element in Chicago. They brought big wrenches, my father had nothing. They brought bats. My father had nothing but his anger, his righteousness and his ability to stand and hold the line.
Marsh commented:
@anarchist
How exactly are Tea Party activists fascists? Do you even know what fascism means or who has the longest tradition of fascism? In reality you’re projecting your own leftist fascist world view on the Tea Party activists but you’re simply too stupid to realize it.
And I fail to see the problem with Tea Party activists being what you consider “xenophobic” aka patriotic. America is the greatest country in human history. It was one of the few revolutions worth having.
The reason why we support a prudent defense budget is because we understand human nature and human history. And the reason why we aren’t in favor of more government control over our health care is because the government isn’t really good at running anything.
You’re also completely retarded for not recognizing the contradiction of wanting to overthrow the government and still wanting extensive government programs. The truth is you’re just brainwashed and ignorant Marxists.
And if any party is a “corporate whore” it’s the leftist Democraps who in reality get far more corporate donations than the Republicans do despite widespread common knowledge believing the opposite.
There’s also absolutely nothing wrong with being pro-capitalism. Anyone who truly understands the world of finance knows that capitalism is by far the best economic system humanity has ever created. It’s clearly superior to the various forms of collectivist Marxism such as the socialism and communism you “anarchists” support.
And speaking of racism, tell me what you think about the various races of the world. Should be fun watching you squirm when it comes to Jews. LMAO
Jason commented:
“If the tea party movement takes over this country they will really hurt poor people by getting rid of social programs like food stamps, unemployment benefits, disability benefits, student aid, free health care, etc. ”
I can’t be the only one to have pointed this out, but since when did anarchy involve giant state-driven public welfare programs? Man, I have to keep up to date with these teeny-bopper ideologies. One minute anarchy means the complete absence of government, the next it means a giant nanny state which wipes everyone’s asses for them. Guess I need to spend more time on Facebook and Tweeter.
Anarchist commented:
Alright let’s go down that road a bit. Xenophobia: “dislike and/or fear of that which is unknown or different from oneself… The term is typically used to describe a fear or dislike of foreigners or of people significantly different from oneself, usually in the context of visibly differentiated minorities.”
Hence slogans like, “take our country back”; or the immense hatred for people living here with no “legal” documentation. Or the claims that Obama is a foreigner.
Now fascism “is a radical and authoritarian nationalist political ideology. Fascists seek to organize a nation on corporatist perspectives; values; and systems such as the political system and the economy… Fascists believe that a nation is an organic community that requires strong leadership, singular collective identity… They claim that culture is created by collective national society and its state…”
While, this definition clearly needs to be elaborated in more detail, this is hardly the time or place. The Tea Party members have clearly advocated similar positions. While there is a shallow veneer of “small government” rhetoric, the underlying issues are obvious for all to see. When one states they want “their country back,” they are obviously stating that there is some coherent organic national identity that needs to be protected. Against whom and what?
Now how can one protect, create, or sustain such a collectivity? If not through state mechanisms than through what? And if a state does begin enacting such policies than obviously it will be either borderline fascist or completely fascist.
Obviously, the state in the US is strong and taking some stake in industries. But that isn’t unprecedented or surprising. The stability in these institutions were evaporating, and rather than see it collapse, they took drastic measures. But regardless, the state will always do what its practitioners deem as necessary to maintain stability. Whether it is a Democrat or Republican, these parties will continue to do what they deem necessary to keep these institutions afloat. While anarchists believe ALL of these institutions are illegitimate en total.
What is of concern is why did these Tea Party people not take the streets when Bush expanded the government, to what was really, an unprecedented degree? Why did the Tea Party members not have any problem with the government spying on people, and expanding the military budget to ridiculous proportions? Why aren’t the Tea Party members ever condemning the fact that Obamas military spending is the largest since world war II? Rather they focus on health care benefits, which really articulates the focus of these people.
Lastly, Tea Party people claim to be in favor of a small state, or be anti-statist, yet they constantly espouse the virtues of the constitution! The constitution is a document for a state, hence it has not validity, and any exponent of it is a statist by definition.
Not Intimidated commented:
Then come the Tea Baggers! While we try to fight state power, we have the Goof Troop called the Tea Party who comes around and would like to strengthen the very institutions we are opposed to.
Funny. The Tea Party is already having an effect after just one year. The next election will be the Tea Party election.
Childish anarchists have been “fighting state power” for more than thirty years now and have accomplished exactly zip.
How embarrassing for you to be utterly outclassed by a “Goof Troop.”
Anarchist commented:
@Marsh
Nobody is projecting a world view onto you. What I am saying is that as long as you keep pushing for state control, and keep espousing xenophobic beliefs, people will oppose you. Its not that complicated. Anarchists are not trying to take over the state to project their world view on you, so your argument is really flawed.
I do not believe America or any other nation-state is “great.” Nation-states are imaginary entities that are only enforced by coercive violence and ridiculous myths. I find way more affinity with people I have met from say Greece, Chile, than I do with many Americans. So why should I feel that me, being born here, makes me in someway aligned with these ridiculous national boundaries.
And your argument about human nature is absurd as well. Human nature is whatever humans do, and entails everything from solidarity, and selflessness, to genocide and child rape. The question is what social systems will end up creating desirable social relations. Capitalism is a system that demands endless growth, wage labor, and the accumulation of capital as its end. These factors create greedy and selfish individuals, and coercive social relations, so obviously it is undesirable to a great many people.
Lastly, Jewish people aren’t a race. And I really don’t see what you’re trying to get at. If you are trying to goad me into some kind of tirade against the state of Israel, than I think you are rather silly. As you would imagine I am opposed to the state of Israel, as I am opposed to every other state on the planet.
Anarchist commented:
@Not Intimidated
Obviously, the Goof Troop will have some success. If one is protesting to gain state power, and integrate oneself into the political system than of course you will have some gains. If anarchists threw their weight into the democratic party then there would emerge a small voters bloc. But if one organizes against all of these institutions — the state, the financial industries, the corporate media, etc. — obviously one’s gains will be much slower. Its not very complicated.
Not Intimidated commented:
Your “gains” aren’t slower; they’re nonexistent. More than 30 years of breaking windows and wearing silly costumes, and you have exactly nothing to show for it. Literally nothing.
The “Goof Troop,” on the other hand, is changing the political landscape after just one year.
That means the “Goof Troop” as at least 30 times more effective than your hilariously inept gang.
Not Intimidated commented:
And what does this gibberish mean?
“If one is protesting to gain state power, and integrate oneself into the political system than of course you will have some gains.”
It doesn’t follow that “protesting to gain state power” will guarantee success. Ask the Iranians. Ask the Chinese. Heck, ask the British, who march as often as your clownish posse but never improve their lot.
You really have no clue what you’re talking about, do you? When did anarchists become brainless reactionaries who parrot foolish verbiage in lieu of thinking for themselves?
Not Intimidated commented:
Good God. You think capitalists are “greedy and selfish” individuals? As opposed to whom? Anarchists?
You’ve clearly never even contemplated your own moronic philosophy. You think that in anarchic societies like Somalia and Liberia the people are selfless and humane? Seriously?
How about Mexico, where the rule of law is nonexistent? Do people help each other or leave each other to die in the street?
I hope you’re no older than 11. If you are, you have no excuse whatsoever for being as stupid as you are.
Anarchist commented:
Well, obviously, when I am talking about protesting I am not talking about Iran or China, I am talking about the US. I figured that would be common sense but I forgot who am I talking to. But, it is rather obvious. If a bunch of people, relying on silly jingoistic, patriotic phrases, accompanied with xenophobic rhetoric, begin demanding a seat at the table here, they are going to be listened to. Hence, corporate entities like Fox News jump at the chance. CNN gets excited about the news. The New York Times covers it to gauge the electoral political climate. Its obvious.
Now if the Tea Party members, began stating that they felt the government, the media, the financial structure, etc, had no legitimacy, and they didn’t want to reform it, then these institutions would treat them as a threat, or ignore whatever they are doing. This is essentially what has happened with anarchism in the US.
From 99 till 01 anarchist organizing, protests, and actions were remarkably successful and were gaining some ground. However, the media ignored absolutely everything that was going on. One would constantly see phrases like “people are protesting but they have no message,” or “we don’t know what they want,” or “self-described anarchists are against the police, but their goals are unclear.” The media can also lay ridiculous claims against anarchists, because anarchists have no corporate, or state power, and will obviously not sue for slander.
Furthermore, the government feels they can arbitrarily arrest, harass, and overall terrorize members of our community with no political blowback. But what I am getting at is we are dealing with two radically different social forces. Our gains, obviously are slow, and easily reversible. One obvious gain, is that there is hardly a city in this country without anarchist organizations, and collectives today. But, as I said, if one isn’t looking to get integrated into the political and corporate system, as you are, then things are totally different.
Not Intimidated commented:
Let’s list some anarchic societies, past and present, where there is or was no functioning government. Let’s see how many are paradises of human kindness and enlightenment:
Liberia
Somalia
Afghanistan
Guinea
Uganda
Rwanda
Sierra Leone
Equatorial Guinea
Gee, how come every single one is a total hellhole where life is cheap and brutality is the order of the day? Could it be that real anarchy is quite different from your adolescent wet dream?
Nah!
Radegunda commented:
“Take our country back”: I distinctly recall leftists saying the exact same thing a couple of years ago.
“Dislike/ fear of that which is different from oneself”: That sounds just like your attitude toward Tea Partiers, Gateway Punditers, and at least half of America. Ergo, Anarchist is a xenophobe!
Anarchist, you haven’t explained how you’re going to get your “free” health care, free education, etc. Maybe you believe in the Marxist fantasy that the state would “wither away” and “the workers” would magically all cooperate in perfect equality and prosperity–except we know that in actual practice the fairy tale was just a cover for developing horrendous engines of oppression and grinding poverty for the masses.
I’ll make this easy now: point to one semi-successful anarchist society in history where there was no state, no capitalism, no corporations, no military, none of those “illegitimate” evil things—and everybody got everything they needed and wanted, “free” of course.
Anarchist commented:
I said capitalism creates greedy and selfish social relations, which is an obvious fact. Only a moron would argue otherwise; it is the basis of capitalist theory. Read some rational choice theory or instance. And you should research some things before you spout off foolish rhetoric. There are plenty of places right now that do not have nation-state control, and one simply doesn’t hear about them unless there is violence, which is why people always return back to Somalia. If one looks at parts of Mexico, Chiapas for instance, violence is hardly the level it is in even say New York, and the state has no authority there. Or if you look at Bolivia, or say the Atlantic Coast of Nicaragua. One could level endless places, particularly throughout most of history, but its pointless. Enough people are already aware intellectual discussion isn’t a strength of the Goof Troop.
Radegunda commented:
Anarchists are people who don’t believe in following any rules that anybody else makes—but they apparently do believe in coercing other people to supply them with all they need and desire.
Not Intimidated commented:
More utterly mindless blather from a nitwit who has never stopped for even a second to examine the real-world consequences of his idiotic fantasies.
What kind of moron gauges his success by the number of people claiming to share his philosophy, even though they have literally no influence whatsoever in the citizens’ day-to-day life?
And what kind of drooling nincompoop uses the oxymoronic term “anarchist organizations”?
Organized anarchists? Man. You terminally adolescent dopes are nothing but mutual masturbators, aren’t you?
Not Intimidated commented:
Chiapas is peaceful?!
Oh my God. A person with no knowledge of anything. Literally nothing.
Anarchist commented:
Well, success is completely arbitrary and subjective. One could argue that anything from Iroquois’ society, to the Tiv in South America, to Catalonia in Republican Spain are all examples. But let me quote something for you since, this is a pretty old tired argument. This is from a book called “Fragments of an Anarchist Anthropology,” and it is a discussion of the exact kind of argument you are making.
“The dice are loaded. You can’t win. Because
when the skeptic says “society,” what he really means is “state,” even “nation-state.” Since no one is going to produce an example of an anarchist state—that would be a contradiction in terms—what we’re really being asked for is an example of a modern nation-state with
the government somehow plucked away: a situation in which the government of Canada, to take a random example, has been overthrown, or for some reason abolished itself, and no new one has taken its place but instead all former Canadian citizens begin to organize themselves into libertarian collectives. Obviously this would never be allowed to happen. In the past, whenever it even looked like it might—here, the Paris commune and Spanish civil war are excellent examples— the politicians running pretty much every state in the vicinity have been willing to put their differences on hold until those trying to bring such a situation about had been rounded up and shot.
There is a way out, which is to accept that
anarchist forms of organization would not look
anything like a state. That they would involve an endless variety of communities, associations, networks, projects, on every conceivable scale, overlapping and intersecting in any way we could imagine, and possibly many that we can’t. Some would be quite
local, others global. Perhaps all they would have in common is that none would involve anyone showing up with weapons and telling everyone else to shut up and do what they were told. And that, since anarchists are not actually trying to seize power within any
national territory, the process of one system replacing the other will not take the form of some sudden revolutionary cataclysm—the storming of a Bastille, the seizing of a Winter Palace—but will necessarily be gradual, the creation of alternative forms of organization on a world scale, new forms of communication, new, less alienated ways of organizing life, which will, eventually, make currently existing forms of power seem stupid and beside the point. That in turn would mean that there are endless examples of viable anarchism: pretty much any form of organization would count as one, so long as it was not imposed by some higher authority, from a klezmer band to the international postal service.”
Not Intimidated commented:
“Anarchist organizations”!!!!
Wow. And you perceive yourself as an intellectual.
Maybe in anarchist circles you are. Amazing. Tell us more about the peaceful state of Chiapas, why don’t you?
http://qhr.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/8/3/377
Anarchist commented:
I said Chiapas has less violence than New York. If you use violence as failure than America is one of the greatest failures on the planet.
Not Intimidated commented:
Yes, an old and tired argument that you’re completely incapable of refuting.
Simply pretending you’re making sense is much easier, I know. Spares you all the wear and tear on your poor flabby brain.
Solaratov commented:
Anarchist
March 31st, 2010 | 9:42 pm | #58
You know, all of you assclowns are the same. There’s not one of you who knows how to punctuate a sentence. I guess that’s just another sad commentary on the state of public (free) education. Or, perhaps you people are just not smart enough to learn the basics.
If you don’t want people to laugh at you, though, you really should learn how to write.
Now, lil anarchist, I’ll tell you a little secret: You are perfectly welcome to demonstrate against the Tea Party; and to call us all the names your limited vocabulary allows. But – and you should be very clear on this point – violence will be met with superior force. Many of the Tea Parties are going to be held in “right to carry” states. Do you catch my drift, lil anarchist twerp? I sincerely hope that you do.
Not Intimidated commented:
The fact that you’re not living in the paradise of Chiapas–or any other anarchic society–speaks volumes, doesn’t it?
Anarchist commented:
@Radegunda
Anarchists believe people are able to make decisions without hierarchical institutions making them for them. One could actually argue anarchists are the only group of people that humans are capable of organizing, since most people seem to think people need to be coerced into doing things — rather from the state or for capital.
I also find it amusing that Not Intimidated doesn’t realize anarchist organizations have always thrived. I know he/she seems to think its an oxymoron, but its anything but. This inadequate list is a small example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_anarchist_organizations
Not Intimidated commented:
Why are anarchists obsessed with imposing their will on people? Pretty hypocritical if you ask me.
The Tea Party wants the government to butt out and let people live their lives as they see fit.
You, my Chiapan-groupie dolt, have literally never once thought about the very philosophy you’re espousing. Incredible.
wanumba commented:
Refresh memories of the anarchist attacks at the RNC convention in 2008.
Remember the sandbagging the busses?
Atlas Shrugged archive article
This is what police found at raids:
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/08/the-left-has-ar.html
Be careful is right.
Anarchist commented:
Solaratov
I’m amused that you critique my writing when yours is riddled with errors. I guess that private education didn’t help you out too much huh? : P And we’re not concerned about you! As you should know, you will continue to be opposed.
Andreas K. commented:
Let them try.
Anarchists are nutjobs. They have never been a factor anywhere and are only famous for murdering people.
If a bunch of people, relying on silly jingoistic, patriotic phrases, accompanied with xenophobic rhetoric, begin demanding a seat at the table here, they are going to be listened to.
My my, aren’t you “smart”. You know all the big words, but apparently have no idea what they mean.
How are they “xenophobic”? Do you even know what that word means? Xenophobia is, per definition of the word itself, a clinical fear of foreigners. It’s a PHOBIA. But yeah, I know, Wilders is a xenophobe as well, isn’t he? Everyone who demands that foreigners coming to your country adapt to your rules of law is a xenophobe these days.
But yeah anarchist. Try it. Try attacking the tea parties. Start the civil war. Please.
Anarchism is a joke. It doesn’t work and that is a proven fact. It’s spread by some leftover hippies from the 70s and some dumbass kids take up this nonsense. Just like the left wing crap. It’s easy to indoctrinate children.
What I find amazing is, that there are still people following this joke of an ideology. I mean, it’s the 21st century. It’s proven not to work, yet some people still follow it. It’s amazing to watch such sheep.
Tell me, where has anarchism ever worked? Nowhere. Yeah, it sounds “cool”, but does it actually work? Nope. Those are fringe organisations. And I wonder how many of the members actually work for their living and how many take money from the government.
But I really want to see the anarchists try something. Anything.
Anarchist, you talk so big about human nature. Let’s look into human history. Anarchism doesn’t work as more than 6,000 years of human civilization easily prove. Even the first humans who settled down ended up with what? Capitalism. Because it’s the only economic system that works. What alternative do you propose? Oh wait, you have none. You’re just protesting for protest’s sake.
Yeah, I know your kind. I see them in Germany regularly. These people call for the murder of police officers and soldiers in Germany.
And I can only say: please, try.
I find way more affinity with people I have met from say Greece, Chile, than I do with many Americans. So why should I feel that me, being born here, makes me in someway aligned with these ridiculous national boundaries.
So you speak Greek? German? French? Swedish? Russian? See, these “ridiculous national boundaries” are grown over time. We are not all the same. We are not all equal. Just like cultures and religions are not all the same and equal and deserve not equal respect.
Language alone proves my point. Culture does too. Yes, there is exchange over the centuries, but the core remains usually untouched.
Greece, yeah, the sh**hole of Europe. My tax money is going to be used to “rescue” Greece from the crap they dug themselves in. Lovely!
Our politicians try to sell us this idea that we’re all “Europeans.” Well, guess what. I’m not European. I don’t see myself as European. I’m Austrian, born and bred. We have a distinctive culture that is different from most other European peoples. The only ones who are really close to us are the Bavarians and the people in South Tyrol. And that is because we come from the same Teutonic tribe that settled in the area when the Roman empire got its butt kicked.
Furthermore, the government feels they can arbitrarily arrest, harass, and overall terrorize members of our community with no political blowback.
There it is, the typical anarchist-fascist rethoric. What’s next? “Deutsche Polizisten! Mörder und Faschisten!” That’s what German “anarchists” scream all the time. It translates as “German Cops! Murderers and fascists!” Cops, who protect the law abiding citizens from a fringe group of potential terrorists and killers. Bad cops, how dare they!
The only fascists I see are the anarchists. Anarchists have a long history of murder and assassination, always targetting those who they deem to be an obstacle. It’s the only thing they can do. No surprise, if one promotes a lawless society where rules don’t exist, what else shall come from it except murder and bloodshed?
Laws and rules are a necessity. Even animals know that. But some humans, apparently, are more stupid than animals.
You want to know where an anarchist society ends up in?
Take a look at every dictatorship on Earth. The strong WILL abuse the weak. Always. That’s anarchism.
rovontis commented:
If “Anarchist” is a representative of what we should all expect, I only have one sentiment:
Come then, if you’re coming.
Let’s see how you do.
Not Intimidated commented:
Ah. We finally learn the truth. The Chiapan-groupie isn’t an advocate of real anarchy, but some poufter European version.
That makes sense. Real anarchy is way too gritty for the likes of Swedes and their ilk.
Soft and silly.
Andreas K. commented:
Anarchists believe people are able to make decisions without hierarchical institutions making them for them. One could actually argue anarchists are the only group of people that humans are capable of organizing, since most people seem to think people need to be coerced into doing things — rather from the state or for capital.
First error: you need capital
Second error: it’s not going to work on a large scale, it never has.
Solaratov commented:
Not Intimidated
March 31st, 2010 | 11:02 pm | #63
Jeez. Bruce of the superfluous commas and homemade grammar is back.
Maybe lil bruce found a group to join.
But I think it’s just a trait of leftoid drones. Somebody once told them that commas sprinkled liberally throughout a statement made one sound erudite, so they just toss them in anyplace that they stop to take a breath (through their mouths, of course).
Maybe – as an experiment – we could let the “anarchists” have some territory of their own and leave them to their own devices. Then just watch to see how long it’d be before they started eating each other.
Anarchist commented:
Not Intimidated
Why are you imposing your views on people, through attempts at acquiring state power? Is there anything more coercive than that? The Tea Party wants a government in power that marches to their beat. If Sarah Palin, or Ron Paul gets elected President you would probably rejoice. We don’t want Obama, Palin, Paul, or Kucinich. But, as I can see, you really aren’t even putting forth arguments. You haven’t refuted a single thing I have stated, which is understandable. The Goof Troop isn’t known for their intellectual capacities.
Andreas K. commented:
BTW, those groups that have always “thrived”… many are listed as terrorists who attack innocent citizens. Hmmm… funny.
“Homes Not Jails United States Homelessness and prison abolition group”
Very smart people apparently. How is building homes going to reduce crimes? Hint: it’s not. Look at Europe. The state feeds millions of people who refuse to work with tax payer money, yet our crime rates are going up up and away.
“Anti-State Justice Athens, Greece Local terrorist cell”
Whoops. How’d that slip in there?
“Free Workers’ Union Germany Anarcho-syndicalist labor union”
Also know to be quite anti-semitic. Because we all know the “evil” Jews have all the capital, right?
“Anti-Racist Action Canada and United States Militant anti-fascist network”
Ah yes, “anti-fascists”, the new fascists.
The new fascism won’t say “I’m fascism”. It will say “I’m anti-fascism”.
It’s funny how many of them claim to be anti-fascist, but literally in the same breath they want to force their view, their lifestyle on others. Which is… fascist.
Not Intimidated commented:
Yes, the “Goof Troop” is nothing but dummies. They’re much stupider than the smart anarchists, who have been impotently spinning their wheels for centuries.
The dummies, on the other hand, are making history after just one year. Because they’re acquiring state power, or something…
Not Intimidated commented:
Solaratov, I apologize for being unable to answer any of the Chiapan-groupie’s stellar arguments.
I’m just really stupid, and he’s really smart.
That’s what.
Andreas K. commented:
Solaratov
April 1st, 2010 | 1:03 am | #101
Maybe – as an experiment – we could let the “anarchists” have some territory of their own and leave them to their own devices. Then just watch to see how long it’d be before they started eating each other.
It’s called “Africa” and it’s been going down the sewer for decades.
No more experiments, please. The “great experiment” with socialism in the 20th century has cost the lives of easily 120 million people.
Anarchist commented:
Andreas
Capital is a manufactured need, it isn’t a concrete one. For instance, if we look at the value of gold, it was entirely an imaginary creation. If one reads early traveler accounts in Africa it becomes clear as day. Europeans traveled to all types of places in search of this metal, risking their lives, for something most people found as rather superfluous. Well, some of them began to question their own actions. These standards of value are created through certain institutional structures, they aren’t concrete.
Now one could obviously argue that anarchism isn’t possible on a global scale, which is a perfectly reasonable argument. Personally, I think it is, and a lot of my interactions have only strengthened that opinion.
Andreas K. commented:
The Goof Troop isn’t known for their intellectual capacities.
Not that being “intellectual” means much these days.
Intellectual: those who know all the fancy words, but know nothing of actual value.
Not Intimidated commented:
Andreas, the Chiapas-groupie isn’t a real anarchist. He’s just a poseur. That’s why he ignored my brilliant point that he isn’t living in any of the places he says are paradises of anarchy.
He likes to pretend. I’m sure he’s quite well off and materialistic.
Andreas K. commented:
“Capital is a manufactured need, it isn’t a concrete one.”
I would disagree.
Capital is more than “money” or gold. Capital is the farm a farmer owns. It has a certain value, even without money, gold, or any other form of currency. The farm where he produces food. Food which is then sold in cities for money that people in the cities get for doing their work. They pay with money because they deem the money they have to be worth less than the goods the farmer sells them. And the farmer deems his goods to be worth less than the money he’s given to by the people in the city. That’s the basic structure of the free market.
Add that the majority of the jobs today are actually service oriented, not production and you soon have one hell of a problem with anarchy. How are you going to feed these people?
How would you survive without “capital”?
You wouldn’t.
How could, let’s say, the US sruvive without capital? Or any other country? Any other large community?
It can’t.
Andreas K. commented:
Not Intimidated
April 1st, 2010 | 1:13 am | #109
“Andreas, the Chiapas-groupie isn’t a real anarchist. He’s just a poseur. That’s why he ignored my brilliant point that he isn’t living in any of the places he says are paradises of anarchy.
He likes to pretend. I’m sure he’s quite well off and materialistic.”
Oh I know. Anarchy sounds lovely in theory. But when one takes a practical approach one can soon see how detached anarchists are from the real world.
We have 6 billion people, and counting, on this planet. Take China. 1 billion and counting. How would that work with anarchy? It wouldn’t. Hell, not even Vienna, with merely 1.5 million inhabitants, wouldn’t work with anarchy. It would only cause chaos.
A basic set of rules is a necessity. Even animals, that live in groups, have rules. It doesn’t work without those. That’s a proven fact.
BTW… did HTML tags stop working for everyone or is that just for me?
wanumba commented:
Anarchist
April 1st, 2010 | 12:52 am | #90
I said Chiapas has less violence than New York. If you use violence as failure than America is one of the greatest failures on the planet.
…………
Uh, huh.
Not … China under Mao with um, 30 million killed? Soviet Union under Stalin with oh, over 20 million killed?
Jaw-droppingly idiotic.
Go live in Liberia or Sierra Leone for two years you ignorant wimp. Instead of trying to break other poeple’s property they’ve worked hard to build and create, maybe do something useful and help the Sierra Leoneans who have a generation of people who got their arms hacked off by Foday Sanko’s rebels, just because. See what destruction of the state actually looks like thanks to anarchy. Bring soap, there isn’t any. And toothpaste. Oh, and malaria medicine, made by the filthy Big Pharma. Can’t get it there and you’ll just die if you don’t bring it in with you.
Chaipas! Good grief!!
Better yet, Somalia. In the collapse of a structured state, structure is provided by family, clans and clan policing and clan law, defined by the “swarm” and blood feuds. The individual is totally without protection unless part of a clan.
There is no such thing as the Na’Vii. They are a computer-generated cartoon, created by a filthy rich white guy.
Anarchist commented:
Not Intimidated
You have no idea where I’ve lived, where I live now, what I am into, what I look like, or anything else. As I said, you’re not really making any arguments you’re just being silly, which isn’t surprising. Furthermore, I’ve never claimed any place is a “paradise of anarchy.” I said these places don’t have state authority and violence isn’t sky rocketing to some disproportionate level.
If one takes your statement seriously, you would have to believe that the United States is a failed state then. Is that what you are hinting at? The United States has a tremendous level of street violence, domestic violence, and anti-social violence. Should we conclude that you think that capitalism and state institutions are somehow failing? Or should we conclude that America isn’t a paradise and is actually a flawed project?
Anarchist commented:
Andreas
Well if you look at animals from the same species the most successful are the ones that practice mutual aid the most efficiently.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_Aid_%28book%29
Actually sociobiology was largely an attempt to answer Kroptkins work.
Solaratov commented:
Not Intimidated
April 1st, 2010 | 1:13 am | #109
None of the “anarchists”ever live in the wonderful states that they hold up as examples.
And the people who are forced to live in those places would trade anything to get out and go somewhere they didn’t have to fight for every scrap of food.
The euroweenie anarchists may be poofters – but our home-grown wannabes are sure trying to catch up to them. And succeeding quite well, if I do say.
Anybody ever notice that the “anarchists” never seem to send back their welfare checks – as a matter of principle. (Maybe they need to buy fresh commas.)
Solaratov commented:
Not Intimidated
April 1st, 2010 | 1:10 am | #105
One can but do the best that one can.
Anarchist commented:
Well it has become clear that you people are too dimwitted to have a simple discussion, but I knew that coming into this. A lot of you have based your entire “arguments” around stereotypes, assumptions, and outright silliness. But this strengthens my opinions about the Tea Party. We’ll see you in the streets! It will be easy enough to make a mockery out of you.
Solaratov commented:
Anarchist
April 1st, 2010 | 1:41 am | #117
Well it has become clear that you people are too dimwitted to have a simple discussion, but I knew that coming into this.
As s/he/it runs off into the night, crying about those “mean ol’ people” at GP.
Maybe its mommy will make it a nice bowl of macaroni and cheese.
And tell it a bedtime story.
AuntieMadder commented:
Anarchist
April 1st, 2010 | 1:26 am | #114
Andreas
Well if you look at animals from the same species the most successful are the ones that practice mutual aid the most efficiently.
Yeah. And dogs eat their own vomit. So, what’s your point?
AuntieMadder commented:
can but do the best that one can.
Anarchist
April 1st, 2010 | 1:41 am | #117
Well it has become clear that you people are too dimwitted to have a simple discussion, but I knew that coming into this. A lot of you have based your entire “arguments” around stereotypes, assumptions, and outright silliness. But this strengthens my opinions about the Tea Party. We’ll see you in the streets! It will be easy enough to make a mockery out of you.
Translation: No one here thinks I’m brilliant like my mommy does. So, I’m taking my marbles and going home. Dookie-heads!
Debra J.M. Smith commented:
I thought you might like to see this about lil old Chucky the wanna-be Tea Party crasher: http://www.debrajmsmith.com/040110HL1.html
Debra…
http://www.InformingChristians.com
AuntieMadder commented:
Debra J.M. Smith
April 1st, 2010 | 2:39 am | #121
Thanks, Debra. Approx ten anarchists per state, huh? This really is much ado about nothing.
Chisum commented:
Wow, Anarchist sounds like a fourteen year old troll.
He reminds me of this guy.
Shrine of the Mall Ninja
http://lonelymachines.org/mall-ninjas/
jeanneb commented:
“…Alex Jones conspiracy types and American flag wavers.”
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I love that they think waving the flag is incitement!
Fine if a bunch of masked anarchists show up. The media will ignore their violent antics like they always do.
The biggest threat is the union infiltrators. Just as I believe they made a lot of those sham “threatening” phone calls to congressmen, they’ll show up at the tea parties, yelling racist slurs and carrying Hitler signs. The media will flock to them. All we can do is politely ask the person to leave or put his sign down.
The thugs will be out in droves that day. I wouldn’t even be surprised if some of the blogs or media is tipped off ahead of time where to go and what to watch for.
Robert Bolt commented:
What a brilliant idea! Hooded anarchists disrupting a peaceful protest held by people who carry guns. What could go wrong?
skink commented:
Anarchist – facism is leftism. It’s just another form of collectivism – the supremecy of the state over the individual. Need I remind you that Nazis were National Socialists.
Some reading for you: “Liberal Facism” by Jonah Goldberg. It’s a good start.
Oh, and why do you use the homophobic term “teabagger”? Scratch a leftist – find a bigot underneath.
You folks must be awfully nervous to have to send a concern troll to this site. Pathetic losers. If Tea Partiers are just “goof troops”, why don’t you just toddle on upstairs from your parent’s basement and leave us to our “goofiness”
Run along now, your mommy’s calling you.
David commented:
I, too, find the idea of “anarchists” fighting to defend big government absolutely ludicrous. And their belief that they could ever convert a single Tea Party participant with their turgid agitprop (check out the link, under their #2) is evidence enough for their unfamiliarity with this planet.
At the same time, it is misleading to state that their latest call to action calls for “infiltration” and “sabotage”. That post clearly calls for counterprotests and conversion attempts, and that’s it. Honestly, I don’t think this bunch of wannabees would have the guts (let alone the savvy) for real infiltration and sabotage.
Fred commented:
It is funny to observe the fact that the socialist / communist brand is still so tainted that true believers know they have to advertise themselves as ‘anarchists.’ BTW, think about non-lethal self defense options. Bringing firearms to a civil demonstration is a bad idea.
Rob Crawford commented:
“From 99 till 01 anarchist organizing, protests, and actions were remarkably successful and were gaining some ground.”
*snort*
No, they weren’t. They were laughed at. The “actions” — violent attacks — should have been met with grapeshot.
Rob Crawford commented:
“Well if you look at animals from the same species the most successful are the ones that practice mutual aid the most efficiently.”
Capitalism *IS* mutual aid. It *IS* cooperation.
Your failure to understand that simply underscores your ignorance, bigotry, and mindless hatred.
Keith_Indy commented:
I think someone is using the “anarchists” as useful idiots to further their statist agenda.
Leahcim commented:
They are going to hand out a ~5000 word diatribe to Tea Party members and that will get them to change their political views? Really?
JEF commented:
I remember a clip from the profound philosopher Bill Ayers wherein he said that he was a anarchist and small c communist.
Many labels are used as cover for the authoritarian impulse. Just the opportunistic Left striking a pose.
Kyle Bennett commented:
Please stop calling violent big-state-socialists “anarchists”.
Beth commented:
Tom Mannis, if your “little friend” is a gun, think twice about that.
5th Level Fighter commented:
Ignore the troll. Anarchy is impossible, as power abhors a vacuum. A dictator would eventually arise.
Two bits of advice:
1. Don’t not come armed. Avoid any violent confrontation. Don’t get suckered. Bring video cameras, lots of them. Remember that they will be vastly outnumbered, so you need not fear. Notify the local police of this call to action so they they will be ready to step in if they do get violent. Be prepared for violent disruption, but be more prepared for the second possibility.
2. The more likely attempt will be to portray the Tea Parties in a negative light through offensive language, signs, dress, other other displays. They will try to blend in and then strike at a pre-determined cue. They will attempt to congregate near any media coverage. That should be your focus as well. Establish your perimeters around the media with known & trusted members only. Keep the anarchists out of the cameras.
Bilwick commented:
I don’t think “anarchism” means what they think it means.
Rock commented:
The best little friend we have is a camera, Breitbart proved that in Nevada this past weekend. It becomes very risky for thugs to have cameras catching and recording their antics. The more camera’s the safer we will be. This trip leave our little friends home, and enjoy the freedom that thousands of cameras will provide, one photo catches many at one time, far better for our side to document these thugs than hurt them. I can not imagine even these hired muscle singling out anyone with 20 camera’s capturing their antics and face. Be safe, but more important be smart.
Steven commented:
I am absolutely amazed at what I’ve read so far. I was wandering across the internet this morning when I ran into this site.
Some info; I am 69 years old, live in a small rural town, served honorably in the Navy, have 3 children and 7 grandchildren, have never been arrested, I serve on two community organizations (Friends of the Library and Senior Citizens Center) and we go to church every Sunday.
I also believe that paying taxes is an honor and a privilege. It’s actually my patriotic duty to do so. Americans are taxed only moderately at best and so I don’t understand how we can think otherwise. But…I did notice while reading the comments, that those who appear to be members of the tea party do not want to hear much more than their own rhetoric. I saw no reasoned replies; only threats. And frankly, the Tea Party scares the heck out of me!
MikeG commented:
As Dirty Harry once said….Make my Day !!!
Publius commented:
Whew! I feel better now that my intellectual superior is gone. Momma always said: “Never trust an Anarchist with a computer. They think drinking a Starbucks coffee is ‘opposition research’”.
Jim Dee commented:
Hey, Anarchists. Bring it on. And bring plenty of bandages and body bags too. Too bad the free healthcare doesn’t kick in until 2014 because you little creitons are going to need it. This isn’t college campus, Seattle or Portland. These are Americans you are thinking of screwing with. I’d think again.
Rock commented:
@ Steven>> Your post could have been written by me, almost line for line. I only disagree with your assessment of the Tea Party movement, and more importantly, it is Obama and all his Socialist friends that scare the heck out of me.
Rob Crawford commented:
“I saw no reasoned replies; only threats.”
Then you are blind.
And Americans *ARE* over-taxed. Look at the amount of waste in government spending; look at the poor performance of public schools. I’m paying for that? Why?
If you really think you’re under-taxed, pay more. Don’t demand government steal more of my money to satisfy your ideals.
Steven commented:
‘Rock’…you say something such as, ‘Obama & friends are socialists’ and yet you bring nothing with you to prove your point…is it just more rhetoric? What you have presented is an opinion and nothing more.
Bilwick commented:
Steven (or to use his Marvel Comics nickname, “State-Fellatin’ Steve”) writes: “I also believe that paying taxes is an honor and a privilege. It’s actually my patriotic duty to do so.”
Well, Steve, as I often say: “Not everyone who has the Stockholm Syndrome is Swedish.”
To those of us who value liberty, the idea of getting fisted by Ilse She-Wolf of the IRS is a nightmare, not a wet dream.
Bilwick commented:
State-Fellatin’ Steve also writes: “And frankly, the Tea Party scares the heck out of me!”
I’m sure if Steve had been around at the time of the original Tea Party, he’d have been running up to the local Tory leader, saying, “Beggin’ your pardon, your worshipfulness, but those Sons of Liberty scare the heck out of me! You should send for more Redcoats! Shine your boots while I’m at it, sir?”
Jim Dee commented:
Steven,
Obama’s cronies like Andy Stern, Ron Bloom, Van Jones, Cass Sustein and Jim Wallis, his latest ‘spiritual advisor’ have all openly called for the destruction of the capitalist system. Numerous times. They have advocated ‘income redestribution’ a ‘reset of the system’ and have branded themselves as progressives and even communists. I would start getting your facts from places other than left wing sources [aka; lamestream media] as the truth is out there if you choose to look for it. POP. That is the sound of your head coming out of your a$$.
Jim Dee commented:
Steven,
I would like to think you are a Jimmy Carter type Navy guy? Come back towards the center, just a little, Steven. The previously provided Obama socialist/ progressive cronies are just but a few. He also has a past that we have researched over here on the right. A past that the media tried to hide from us. Rhetoric? No, Steven, facts. Facts backed by Obama’s own written and spoken words, video and spoken words of his czars and cohorts. And lastly, common sense derived from the sum total of the foregoing. Something lacking on the left.
frank martin commented:
“a coalition of conservatives, anti-Semites, fascists, libertarians, racists, constitutionalists, militia men, gun freaks, homophobes, Ron Paul supporters, Alex Jones conspiracy types and American flag wavers.”
Hold it. “American Flag Wavers” ? How did that make the list?
Rick J. Black Sr. commented:
Anachists will be dealt with once they are identified. Us Tea Partiers don’t want any violence or racial overtones included in our activites. We are peaceful folk demanding a redress of our greivances against the Federal government. Protests is just one way of getting DC’s attention. There are many other ways to acheive the same thing but protests are a more visible element that garners support for our cause. I have no doubt that the Progressives are also planning something despicable to try and tarnish not only our m ovement but also our belief and value system. Since it is so diametrically opposed to the Progressive belief system. There is a fight going on for the soul of our country which my very well end up in bloody street fighting. That is how opposed we are to their agenda. We will not go quietly into that good night. For the Progressives to succeed, they would have to kill or somehow neutralize those that oppose them. That may very well be going on as I type this. Speculation, I have no proof that those activities are actually occurring. The Progressives will not win. Sheer numbers are on the Tea Partiers side. They only have, at most, 30% of the country supporting their attempt to make America another Europe type socialist state. Fight with us and have your children grow up in a free country. Since Anachist’s are such a insignifigant part of our society, I dismiss them out of hand. My primary concern is Union activists sent by SEIU to disrurpt or smear the Tea Partiers on April 15th. If that happens in my neck of the woods, there will be repercussions. I won’t stand by peacefully while they try to do this. I will confront them in a physical way if they also physically impose themselves on me. If the tree of Liberty must be refreshened from time to time with the blood of patriots, then let mine also mingle with the rest of the patriots in our beloved land. Freedom or tyranny, you choose.
Rock commented:
Steven
1. Bob Creamer and wife Democratic Congresswoman Jan Schakowsk, wrote a book on how to destroy America with social programs, both invited to the signing of the Health Care Bill.
2. Ron Bloom, Manufacturing Czar agrees with Mao, that political power comes mainly from the barrel of a gun.
3. Williams Ayers, Weather Underground.
4. Maxine Waters California Democratic says she is a Socialist.
5. Anita Dunn, outed by Fox and now gone turned to Mao for inspiration.
6. Al Sharpton after passage of the Health Care Bill said voting for Obama was voting for Socialism.
7. Andy Stern major visitor to White House, and SEIU President statement of the power of persuasion, and if that does not work the persuasion of power.
And if as your first post suggest (just found this site) you really need to do some research, before you condemn the Tea Party, unless your are nothing but a trol.
LibsAreCommies commented:
Seem the Leftists don’t like the Right resorting to their longtime tactics. Lol… Libs are angry children.
jaafar commented:
>> food stamps, unemployment benefits,
>> disability benefits, student aid,
>> free health care, etc.
It would help me if I had not personally seen each and every one of these benefits being abused, from the lazy man on unemployment who intended to enjoy his six months’ vacation, to government shills encouraging college students to go on food stamps (!), to phony retirees living on “disability” (in one case, snoring), to slumdwellers attending Control Data Institute to get their “education benefit” and extend their stay on the welfare rolls.
Kevin commented:
I wondered how the left would deal with us. They are dividing us, they used Fox news to do it. According to them and ya’ll, anyone that is a birther or a truther is leftist…right? Wrong, you idiots, we believe that their are some bad elements that are running things, which are liberal. Haven’t you ever wondered why no matter who you vote for you get the same guy? Why is that, you smart people that got it all figured out? We believe that its the liberals that are against us and that the republicans have been infiltrated. Its too bad that you trust whatever they say on Fox news. They have been infiltrated also, but your to smart to figure that out. The birthers that believe 9/11 was an inside job, only believe that because they hate Bush, but what if Bush was a traitor to republicans and this was true? What was the purpose of the NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND actand the PATRIOT ACT? You people need to grow up and real quick or you will repeat the same mistakes. Where did Bush come from? It was the liberal media that crowned him and gave him to us, and who gave us Palin? Wasn’t it McCain the RINO? And ever wondered why the liberal media is bashing her? They are crowning her our new champion and your to bright to figure that out. We are doomed to fail yet again before you people realize that you aren’t smart. We need fresh people in office that are not only conservative but that love God and then and only then will we be affective. I know this won’t happen because the bible says so. Welcome to the END TIMES before maybe even you elect the man of sin or woman of sin.
Kevin commented:
P.S. I could also say that you are violent because some of you have said your going to bring your little friends, but I realize that you mean it in self defense, which is the same with us. SELF DEFENSE only, don’t believe the media that militias are out trying to war with the government. its a lie, you are being played.
Ethan Brown commented:
A bunch of uneducated (they think they are smart but they are not) punks. I am sure their parents are embarrassed to have raised such bad people.
Radegunda commented:
If anarchists are against coercion of any kind, why are they planning to protest AGAINST the Tea Parties while the Tea Parties are protesting the coercive government intrusion into how we get our medical care and the excessive reach of governmental power?
You would think a true anarchist would be on the same side as the Tea Parties in the effort to roll back taxes and cut down the size of the state.
But instead, the “anarchists” have come down firmly on the side of a huge, coercive government.
And our resident “Anarchist” wants us to believe that they represent a coherent and viable political philosophy.
Eriah commented:
I tried visiting the http://www.theteapartyisover.org website and I was redirected to the following message:
“The server http://www.theteapartyisover.org at Access for /teabaggers requires a username and password.
Warning: This server is requesting that your username and password be sent in an insecure manner (basic authentication without a secure connection).”
Fishy fishy….
JollyR commented:
Kevin-#163
Take it easy big guy. It appears that you need to adjust your meds.
Bob McDougal commented:
GO AHEAD, MAKE MY DAY!
Jim Dee commented:
Rick J. Black Sr.
I am standing right next to you, Rick!
Anarchist commented:
Radegunda
“If anarchists are against coercion of any kind, why are they planning to protest AGAINST the Tea Parties while the Tea Parties are protesting the coercive government intrusion into how we get our medical care and the excessive reach of governmental power?”
Anarchists are against systemic coercion, however, historically anarchists have always realized the importance of confronting fascism. On your second point, I don’t believe for a second you are against government coercion. What I believe is you want the government to operate according to your guidelines. For instance, I raised a question earlier to one of the Tea Baggers; if you are so against government why do you support a military budget that dwarfs the entire planets. He responded, “because of human nature.” Now anyone who think health benefits is detrimental, and tanks are good, is someone who I will be suspicious of.
“But instead, the ‘anarchists’ have come down firmly on the side of a huge, coercive government.”
A lot of you really believe there can only be two sides of a coin. Either you support the Tea Party or you support the government; kind of like Bush’s you’re with us or against us. Listen, the enemy of my enemy is not friend partner. I know a fascist when I smell it.
Solaratov commented:
Steven
April 1st, 2010 | 8:07 am | #144
Oh, you poor dear! Sit down quickly before you wet your pants. There, there. Just breathe deeply and those nasty vapors will soon be gone.
btw: YOU’RE A FREAKIN’ HYPOCRITE, STEVIE!
You yammer and babble about “threats” from the Tea Party — but you say nothing about the threats from “anarchist” wannabes directed at the Tea Party participants (of whom the “anarchist” and leftists seem to be inordinately afraid).
And it seems that you’re afraid of freedom as well. OK. Enjoy your serfdom as long as it lasts. I’m sure your leftist masters appreciate your obedience.
Hint: We’re onto you concern trolls. Peddle your crap somewhere else.
Melody Warbington commented:
Bring it on! Tea Party Event, 4/15/10, 3-9pm, Veteran’s Park, Hoover, AL
My friends and I look forward to seeing you there!
Kevin commented:
Jolly R =#168
thats it, thats all you have to say? Nothing intelligent? It appears your already on meds and koolaid.
Jim Dee commented:
Anarchist,
The Progressives are the Fascists. It is the left and the progressive socialists that are forcing their will, ideology and beliefs on the majority and shouting down and trying to shut down any opposing viewpoint.
This is assisted by the ‘enlightened’ educators polluting our youth with the re-writing of history and a corrupt media trying to silence dissent by omission and ignoring the news. Talk about fascism? Get real!
See you at the next rally, pal.
Kevin commented:
jawa you idiot. You mean infoshop not infowars….duh!
solgreatman commented:
I live in s.f. and I’m surrounded by these bozos,they can be dangerous if your caught alone by a mob of them,similiar to hispanic gangs.When confronted by numbers they weasel away like roaches exposed to sunlight.Good majority have long records and are wanted by local and federal police,hence the masks.Most come from rich liberal households in marin,bezerkly etc.Dont worry you all will be able to smell em,b.o.,patchulli oil,dirty diapers,fear etc.True anarchists dont rely on gov. handouts
Anarchist commented:
And real government sponsored spectacles, are essentially Fox News rallies. The same Fox News that has advocated an expansion of the federal government for the last 10 years, are now the people organizing “small government” rallies. I smell foolishness, and an obvious agenda.
Jim Dee commented:
Anarchist
When and where has Fox News ever espoused bigger government. Show us the proof of that ridiculous statement.
Anarchist commented:
Jim Dee
I know you guys have short attention spans, but do you really not remember when Homeland Security was created. Fox was jubilant over it. With that and the lead up to the Iraq invasion, they labeled anyone who disagreed with their war plans, and their blatant government expansion “un-american.” How can you really forget that part of recent American history?
The Jimmy Z Show commented:
Ooh… tough gun talk. That’s gonna help the conservative movement.
Stop it. Just be there and keep your head.
Bilwick commented:
So I guess, “Anarchist” (if that’s what you actually are, which I doubt, unless it’s on Bizarro Planet), I assume then that you still oppose State coercion, as you did in the Bush Administration? So you’d be pro-Second Amendment, anti-State Socialism (and therefore anti-Obamacare, anti-Medicare, etc.)? I mean, since you’re obviously the Pillar of Consistency.
Elizabeth Seymour commented:
End the hate, separate.
Evil Otto commented:
I know a fascist when I smell it.
Well, there’s a logical argument.
Your definition of “fascist” seems to be anyone who dares to disagree with your political beliefs (as ill-formed and incoherent as they are). In this thread you’ve shown no understanding at all about what the people in the tea party movement believe, but you’re more than happy to label them and treat them as the enemy.
Remarkulus commented:
Ohhhh, I get it. Just in case there is any violence at the Tea Party Rallies on the 15th (I thought they were scheduled for the 19th?), you’ve established an alibi and a scapegoat so you may continue to claim Tea Party peacefulness and innocence. Clever.
Evil Otto commented:
Oh, and people, if you’re wondering why it’s so difficult to argue with Anarchist (aside from the fact that he’s an idiot), it’s because he doesn’t know what he believes any more than he knows what we believe. The modern anarchy movement is a hodgepodge of far-left cliches, untested theories, and juvenile hatreds combined into a slurry of incoherence. Trying to understand it would drive Great Cthulhu mad. Thankfully, most anarchists abandon the faith around the time they’re forced to enter the real world and start working for a living.
Bilwick commented:
The libertarian Joseph Sobran once asked people at the Nuclear Freeze rally of the early ’80s what they would prefer: an anarchist society along Murray Rothbard lines where you would have no “military-industrial complex,” no “Warfare State,” etc.–but you would also have no legal means of redistributing wealth: no welfare payments, no entitlements, etc. As I recall, the answer he usually got was the equivalent of crcikets chirpring in a Warner Brothers cartoon.
How about it, “Anarchist”–abolish the Welfare State and the Warfare State in one fell swoop? Or stop the terrorist-fighting (and hope Al Qaida just goes away) and dismantle the Defense Department, but keep up the legal plunder?
Anarchist commented:
Evil Otto, your statements just articulate how little you know about the people around you. You have no idea who I am, or who I associate with, or what I do on a day to day basis. I also know what I believe, but remarkably the Tea Party folk here have hardly even questioned any of that. I also don’t deem anyone a fascist who I disagree with. I disagree with liberals, with Leninists, with Maoists, with conservatives, and with a variety of anarchists. I explained why I feel you are fascists and may have the capability of pushing government into that direction. If you want to ignore that, then thats fine.
Someone else asked if I’m pro-second amendment and no I am not. I’m not pro-constitution period, considering it is a statist document. I feel people should have guns if they want them, but I don’t think any state has the legitimacy to give or take rights at all. I am also against state socialism, however, I also understand that if one wants to dismantle state power, attacking the poorest people in a society is not a good way to go about it. I find it interesting all of you claim to be against state power, yet you are support the most obnoxious elements of it.
Bobo Brazil commented:
I read the anarchist’s post. Even went to their website. I don’t see anything that would cause someone to say they’re violent. Wishful thinking?
Jim Dee commented:
Anarchist
Homeland Security was a consolidation of several existing agencies [TSA, Customs, Immigration] and was needed after the 9/11 attack. And FOX created the war? ‘Their’ war plans? You mean the war voted for and funded by both parties? Who at FOX branded who as what? Be specific. Facts. I know facts are pesky to things to the left. You are the one that cannot cite specifics, making up history as you go along. Familiar theme.
Mike M commented:
Also anarchist wants someone to wipe his backside and another wipe the drool off his face.
bandit commented:
Bring it on!
Jim Dee commented:
Anarchist,
You also state you are not pro-constitution yet say in the same paragraph that you do not believe states should give or take rights. If you knew anything at all about THE CONSTITUTION, you would know states cannot give or take rights…”We are endowed by our creator with certain inalienable rights”. You see, the Constitution believes God and God only can give us our rights, exactly for the reason you state. So the Government cannot take those God given rights away. You should have stayed awake during civics class.
RanDomino commented:
I think it’s great how Teabaggers are finally starting to look into Anarchism. I hope you all take this opportunity to learn about the split between Bakunin (one of the first Anarchists) and Marx, Lenin’s mass murder of Anarchists during the Russian Revolution, and the Anarchist CNT-FAI labor union’s heroic struggle against Fascism during the Spanish Civil War.
Mike M commented:
RanDomino we meet again you just made the exact same post over at NiceDeb. Apparently what you lack in creativity, you make up in stupidity.
Anarchist commented:
Most of the posts on this thread are deeply confused about anarchism. Anarchism has many different variants. The only variants that get any media attention are the violent ones. Many variants are non-violent.
A common misconception about anarchists is that they simply want to get rid of the state. In fact, anarchists often oppose all forms of domination including both state and privatized. It may seem paradoxical that anarchists could support government programs, but it is not. When a government policy leads to less domination than the capitalist alternative an anarchist can support the government, while recognizing that the set of choices is not ideal. Anarchists can recognize that opposing state domination in cases where private tyranny is worse would be to let the perfect become the enemy of the good.
Consider what would happen if the media only reported the bad things about one party and didn’t even give the other side a chance to speak. That is exactly what happens with anarchism. The media reports only the bad, and no one listens to the actual ideas and positions of the spectrum of people who call themselves anarchists.
Jim Dee commented:
RanDomino
We don’t want to be anything like you. We are not looking to overthrow our government. We are trying to RESTORE the obedience to our Constitution and existing form of government before it is destroyed by the subversive progressives and socialists which have temporary control in Washington. And I say temporary because one way or the other, they are gone. Right sizing government and restoring ‘For the people and by the People’ is the goal. The Tea Party has zero in common with anarchism. Wishful thinking but you aren’t on the same level. Anarchists are predominately disenfranchised losers!
Jim Dee commented:
Anarchist says ‘Consider what would happen if the media only reported the bad things about one party and didn’t even give the other side a chance to speak.’
THAT IS PRECISELY THE MODUS OPERANDI OF OUR ‘LAMESTERAM MEDIA’, PARTICULARLY NBC/MSNBC, CBS, ABC AND THE NY TIMES.
Anarchist commented:
Actually the modern goal of anarchism is to smash things and try to get with easy liberal chicks. The other is to praise our benovolent Democratic Overlords.
Anarchist commented:
It is also a requirment to abstain from such capitalist ideas like soap and self-reliance.
Myke commented:
They did this in Arizona. Illegals demonstrated outside Sheriff Joe’s office. Several people in black cloaks/hoods attacked the deputies and even beat a horse one of the deputies was riding.
RWB commented:
Very interesting. I always lumped the Info-wars anti-Government anarchists together with the Tea party anti-Government anarchists. They all look alike to me, but I guess they can tell themselves apart.
Evil Otto commented:
“You have no idea who I am, or who I associate with, or what I do on a day to day basis.”
I don’t care even a little. Either defend your beliefs, or don’t, but I’ve known quite a few anarchists. Nothing any of them has done or said in all those years has shown them to have more than the most shallow understandings of politics, government, or human nature. Most have been spoiled, naive little punks who think they know enough about the world to completely reshape human society. Nothing you’ve written here has shown you to be different. You’ve been a contemptuous brat since the moment you stepped in here, and I see no reason to treat you or your beliefs with any more respect than you’ve shown.
“I also know what I believe, but remarkably the Tea Party folk here have hardly even questioned any of that. I also don’t deem anyone a fascist who I disagree with.”
Really? Did you write this? “Anarchists are opposed to you because you are xenophobic fascists.”
“I explained why I feel you are fascists and may have the capability of pushing government into that direction. If you want to ignore that, then thats fine.”
You define fascist the way you want, then slap that label on us. People who are in favor of reducing the power of the government to the limits of the Constitution are NOT fascists, despite your abuse of the word.
My dad fought in WW2 in Europe. His unit was one of the ones that liberated Mauthausen. I have photos of him and his army buddies ad the camp, surrounded by corpses. THAT is fascism. It is a murderous religion of the state, where all power rests in the hands of an omnipotent government. To you, it’s simply a label to be slapped on opponents, one that you use with all the depth of the word “jerk.”
Of course, that’s nothing new for anarchists, who tend to use Humpty Dumpty’s method for defining words… “When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.” Fascism, anarchism, it doesn’t matter… it’s like trying to argue with smoke, because you simply redefine words as you need to.
“I find it interesting all of you claim to be against state power, yet you are support the most obnoxious elements of it.”
Here’s the problem… you don’t actually know what we believe. We are not against “state power,” we are against UNLIMITED state power. We believe that there is a legitimate purpose for government, but it must be small and unobtrusive, and must be watched like a hawk lest it abuse its power. Most decisions should be handled at the state or local level. We believe that there is no authority for the federal government to be involved in decisions such as health care. Just because you view government like a light switch, on or off, does not mean we do.
Now, you’ve behaved like a douchebag ever since you got here. Care to try again? You could try LISTENING… you might find you agree with at least some of our ideas, if you can drop the idea we’re “fascists.”
clyde commented:
tasers are cheaper than guns and much less likely to injure innocent by standers.firing a gun into a crowd is gangbanger style.seachlight showed they came prepared for violence and were coached to lie to the police. decent people do not know any more about union thug tactics than they knew about “teabagging”. we are being forced to learn or pay heavily for our innocence.
DeTourist commented:
Another type of “Little Friend” is an ALTERNATIVE SIGN to hold by infiltrators (or misguided supporters), such as…
- This is NOT a member of MY TEAPARTY
- This is NOT in the spirit of the TEAPARTY
or something similar.
Be prepared to promote VISUAL RESISTANCE to distortions and false flag operations.
BorisB commented:
Bring em on!
Pam commented:
Oh, not to worry. No doubt Janet N. and her flying monkeys have a bead on these Infowars chiclets. All 3 of them!
Jim Dee commented:
Evil Otto,
Excellent post.
Patriot commented:
Interesting, I thought anarchy and the tea party movement were the same thing.
amabOssAyMssiK commented:
These guys hold “Mat Day” protests every year in “Pot”-land, OR and they always cause trouble…!
I put nothing beneath them and YES they will be brutal if given the chance…
Watch you butts!!!
Zorro commented:
They are going to try to infiltrate our group as if they are a tea partier and then hurl racist remarks at people to try to denigrate the entire tea party movement. They are complicit with the drive-by government media in this effort. Our best defense will be lots of video covering every rally. Don’t let them provoke you – remain calm, document and protect each other.
Zorro commented:
We must bring many EGGS to the April 15th protests…. Nothing like an EGG in the face to distract an anarchist…
Evil Otto commented:
“They are going to try to infiltrate our group as if they are a tea partier and then hurl racist remarks at people to try to denigrate the entire tea party movement.”
I think they’ll be easy to spot even before then. One thing about them, they don’t have any real understanding of what the tea partiers believe. Most of them will be obvious and cartoonish and stand out unless they keep their mouths shut. To borrow a line from Mr. Spock, “It was far easier for you as civilized men to behave like barbarians than it was for them as barbarians to behave like civilized men.”
I agree with you about the videos… I’ll have my camera with me.
Killer62 commented:
Well, I hate to tell you “Anarchist #58,” but it is capitalism which made it possible for you to post on this website. And, yes, we do have an understanding of political philosophy – in this country it’s call the United States Constitution.
Glenn Jericho commented:
Here’s a good ice-breaker when talking with anarchists…
“Do you believe in voluntary socialism or socialism by force?”
Tominator commented:
Anarchists who want more government control. Kind of ironic.
ShamrockJim commented:
These are the people I risked my ass to protect several times in the middle east? These are cry babies that feel guilty they have it so good. But so selfish they won’t give up the designer jeans, cell phones, shoes that cost more than a Hatian family will make in a year, or $5 cups of trendy coffee. They don’t have the courage of thier convictions to break the law with out hiding behind it’s protections. These people know all about their RIGHTS but then pass thier RESPONCIBILITIES off on others because it’s “hard work”. They would rather take credit for something others have created, or destroy it out of jealousy than spend the time and effort to create something worth having. The spoiled children and grandchildren of the greatest generation who were handed everything with out having to work for it. Next to the rest of the world America is a Garden of Eden and these spoiled brats are begging for apples.
shamrockjim@thezooradioshow.com
jones commented:
I love the smell of bleeding anarchists in the morning
JTaylor commented:
In the end Anarchist would be against the Dictator that was enabled by Anarchists own rage against all machines. You are against everything Anarchist, we get it. You are even against the growth of your own spiritual development. You have no concept of human beaviour and all your wishlist is right out of fantasyland. There is a big bad real world out there ready to eat all weaklings and ostriches with their heads in the sand. In a perfect world maybe your Anarchyville would work with a group of a few hundred max, in reality your Anarchyplex would eat itself for lunch. Ever read the Lord of the Flies?
Who would you be?
There are so many people who care about this country and realize it is our life raft. We will preserve what is good and just and toss the rest overboard.
Publius commented:
I don’t know who their parents are, but they are losers who should be turned out of society for being genetically inferior. What a bunch of dirtbags. They aren’t anarchists; they are freeloaders who are throwing hissy fits because they have to get a job like everyone else.
Just a bunch of dirtbags.
Cujat commented:
Bring it morons…see you there!
John Prescott commented:
GUYS !
Please do NOT react to these sick morons by ‘replying’ to any violence they may initiate or by using your ‘little friends’ — no matter how much you might be justified in doing so.
That kind of stuff is precisely what they’re trying to achieve! They’re not interested in convincing conservatives of ANYTHING; their GOAL is to give the State-Controlled Media ammunition for their ongoing effort to portray tea partiers as wackos to diminish our substantial influence.
Bring cameras of all kinds. EVERYONE should have one. If you really have to respond, bring flex cuffs and then mob and overwhelm any radicals who incite violence just like you would with a terrorist on an aircraft — and then hold them for the police while videotaping the entire incident.
Michael commented:
What I don’t understand is how are these guys anarchists?
Anarchists don’t believe in social programs and on the political spectrum are far more right wing than libertarians.
This is obviously a DNC/Leftist effort using “anarchy” as cover for their efforts since their Coffee Parties turned out to be decaf
StarveTheBeast commented:
haha go to your stupid ‘coffee’ parties you dopey libs. what a loser bunch those anarchists are. Isn’t large, oppressive government exactly the opposite of the anarchist utopia? I would say you meatheads should join us at the tea party but you are way to violent for us.
LibertyAtStake commented:
Well, look at the bright side, at least this means the MSM will finally cover us.
http://libertyatstake.blogspot.com/
[For a light hearted take on our present peril]
Anarchist commented:
All right, time to come clean. We’re not anarchists at all, but SEIU shills engaging in astroturf operations.
We hate you because we want to keep sucking the teat of the welfare state.
jim commented:
So, we have Ted Nugent and Chuck Norris. They have Pelosi and Reid. We believe in the right to bear arms, they don’t. We believe in rugged individualism, they can’t take care of themselves without all the “free” stuff from the government.
Why should we be afraid of them,again?
MadMax commented:
As Ving Rhames once said in “Pulp Fiction”, “it is time to go medieval on their asses”.
Jerry commented:
The morons will pay a few SEIU goons $50.00 to come out with their signs and try to intimidate us. Video it all, ignore them until they make the first move, then take care of business, really well!
Ellen commented:
If you see a group of people with hate rhetoric signs or obnoxious behavior, don’t get mad, get smart.
SHUN THEM. Move away. Isolate them. Provide visible evidence they are not part of any Tea Party group.
No MSM photos can force us to stand with these people or people who are not acting appropriately. We are there for a purpose and that purpose is not hate rhetoric or violence.
And if confronted….TAKE PICTURES.
They’ll make good evidence of their confrontation and attempt to disrupt a peaceful protest.
hogtrashhd commented:
I’m taking me, myself and I and a small hand camera to do some filming.. no “little friend”. There will be a few paid malcontents, and I mean very few, that will show up.. and as far as what I’ve seen from this bunch they’re pretty much just lazy bums. They won’t be paid enough to do much.. they don’t want their do’s messed ya know.. they might get on TV.. I ain’t fraid of no ghost.. you’re a daisy if you do..
marcus commented:
I really think you are all really really crazy. tea party members are stupid people, and those who like Sarah Palin, there is no word for them… anarchy is not good but it is better than what tea party has to offer. open your history books, and look what does a CIVILIZATION is, it says it is a population under the rules of a government…. no government, no civilization. Probably that most of you are for the war in Iraks or other wars since september 11. I’ve got a question, how many muslim have been killed since you started this war? far more than the number of people who died in NY. it was a tragedy, but it wasn’t a reason to make innocent pay, its been 7 years you are in Irak, where are the nuke?!
Eileen commented:
“This tea party movement that emerged only a year ago is a coalition of … and American flag wavers.”
Oh my God!! Not “American flag wavers”!! Anybody but THEM! They are the WORST!!
:-/
(wtf??)
Aaron commented:
Every tea party demonstration is peaceful. Every “anarchist” (read: Marxist) demostration is violent. If the two meet I guarantee you the violence will be with the anarchist. And for every MSM reporter claiming the tea partiers started the violence there will be a thousand video cameras showing differently.
Aaron commented:
If you have a problem with anarchists, go to the police. They are on the side of the tea partiers.
Minnesota Anarchist commented:
This will probably be buried by all the gun-toting masochism going on in this thread, but Anarchists aren’t inherently violent, believe it or not. I plan on attending a counter-protest in St. Paul on the 15th and have no intention of harming anyone whatsoever. I intend to merely voice my opinion alongside the Tea Partiers to counter the rampant bigotry and homophobia that your groups support.
I would also like to clear up the confusion arising from the infoshop article being apparently pro-government programs. Anarchists concern themselves with two main principles, namely equality and liberty. For one, that means that we oppose hierarchy and illegitimate authority, of which governments are prime examples. However, since we cannot reasonably bring about an Anarchist revolution on any effective scale, many of us want to at the very least work towards eliminating inequality anywhere that we can in the real world. Therefore, the Tea Party agenda of cutting social programs and hate-mongering is directly against what Anarchists stand for. This is why we will come out, peacefully, to show the poor that not everyone thinks they deserve it.
That said, if someone pulls a gun on me I will do everything in my power to make sure I do not get shot, just like anyone else would.
Peace.
pereptua2.0 commented:
Yes. Go on, all you little snot-nose brats. By all means, throw your little public temper tantrum. You’ll only make us stronger and further prove the case that the left is filled with socialist, marxist, nut jobs.
Steve commented:
It’s amazing to me these left wing nitwits really think they can stop the conservative freight train rolling across the country in response to the actions of the Constitutional traitors in Washington (both “D’s” and “R’s”)–both executive and legislative branches of the government. As far as their “little freinds” are concerned–no big deal. Here in Texas we all tote “little friends.” Bring it!
The littlest Kraken commented:
Aww damn! You scared Anarchist away.
First of all there is an example of a viable non-state anarchistic community: The Amish. Yes they use money as a unit of exchange but avoid participating in consumerism. They do have a structured organization with leaders, but the communities are small and scattered. When young Amish come of age they are encouraged to spend time away in ‘the world’ to be able to make an informed choice whether to opt in or opt out of their voluntary society.
They don’t participate in electoral voting, serve in the military, or ask their congressman for anything. They do not recognise government except the minimum they have to just to be left alone. They take care of people within their community and otherwise live quiet modest lives.
I am certain there must be some anarchist critique of the Amish lifestyle. I am also certain they don’t give a toss if they do not measure up to someone elses yardstick.
The second point I’d make is it makes perfect sense – in a senseless way – for the no-government people to protest and disrupt the less-government people. Anarchist himself put forth he is anti-capitalist. President Obama’s spending on top of President Bush’s spending is quite likely to suck up what little international credit is still on the market. On top of that add Greece. Dubai. Iceland. Its a real mess out there. A complete collapse of international trade and Global Capitalism is not out of the question.
Now, if someone happens to see that collapse as a chance for something ‘better’ (?!?) to come along then that person or group would certainly want to stop the people urgently trying to put government spending in reverse.
We want to get the system back on track to smaller government. They want to see it go over the edge in a stinking heap. I would like very much like to postpone that final collapse as long as possible. I am thinking that world will look a lot like the Dark Ages meets Mad Max.
Am I missing anything?
tex02 commented:
You have to assume the anarchists and lefties in general have emotional and mental disorders. Logic will never appease them.
Minnesota Anarchist commented:
perpetua2.0: The far left is actually made up of Marxists and socialists. Thank you for showing me the err of my ways with your stunning use of reason and lack of ad hominem attacks.
Steve: I absolutely agree that neither the D’s or the R’s today reflect the spirit of the Constitution in any way. The last 4 years have all but proven that what we have is big government and big business working in collusion with one another with the common person’s interests nowhere to be found. If your movement were actually just about a return to the constitution, I would have no problem. However, I can’t support pulling the rug out from under the poor so the wealthy don’t have to bear such a heavy burden. As an Anarchist, I work towards ending big government, just as you do. Only I’m more concerned with people than money.
The littlest Kraken: Sorry to keep you waiting, I was busy. The Amish are not an example of Anarchism. They do operate in a hierarchy, especially in regards to women. Most Anarchists do not want to return to medieval methods of farming, but would rather use the technology that we have to day in a sustainable and humane way free from the illogical consequences of coercive authority. This would mean using machines we have today to operate farms that aren’t 100 acres of corn and soybeans, but diverse crops that people in the area can eat, not sell. There certainly are Anarchists though that see a virtue in returning to more medieval methods, I’m not one of them. To each his own.
In response to your second point, I would rather try to build a sustainable alternative to Capitalism to help people when it collapses than to try to save a dying husk of it. If you want to cut useless government spending, protest the wars that are sucking up BILLIONS of dollars to no avail. That’s just a leftist nut-job’s stance though.
AtomicLibSmasher commented:
Word of warning to ANY anarchist or leftists punks getting in MY face at the TEA Party. Stay home and it’ll save ya some teeth and a trip from going to the hospital.
Just some friendly advice.
But if ya do try, it’ll be a nice treat for people like me to get ya pissed to the point of you trying to throw a punch, ya get f**ked up, and I put it on YouTube to show what pussies ya really are.
Minnesota Anarchist commented:
Indeed. It is clearly the Anarchists who will be bringing violence to the Tea Bagger’s protests. Laughable.
Ellen commented:
Guys,
Just a point for your consideration. When we do vote in Nov, and if we get sufficient blocking power to prevent this steamroller congress, we will STILL face enormous problems, economic, currency, jobs, and the usual sting and stench left over from this kind of civil discord.
I ask you all, please, start thinking NOW, how that will play out. Will we steam roll them as they are doing to us now? Or will we remember how that felt.
I hope we don’t forget. I hope we hold this feeling of frustration and impotence, hang onto it, tuck it in your pocket. If we do things we want the same way, we become the flip side of the thing we hate.
America is everybody’s bowl of cherries, not just ours or theirs. Everyone’s.
night guys
Truth Czar commented:
Yes, let the TeaBaggees come to the rally.
The more teabaggees come, the better.
I hope they open wide and get a good sniff because I’m not gonna wash just to add insult to insult.
Teabaggees are such suckers. Literally!
Knight commented:
Patriotic Americans.
http://www.teapartypatriots.org/
Vs.
Hate-filled, bigoted, intolerant, and violent thugs of the kook, fringe left.
http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=621
AuntieMadder commented:
Kevin
April 1st, 2010 | 10:06 am | #163
Kevin, you condescending twit. If you want to talk down to others effectively, know the difference between a birther and a truther. When you stated something about birthers who believe 9/11 was an inside job that I stopped your drivel. Only those foolish enough or bored enough to read further know what in what other ways you proved yourself to be an idiot.
Oh, and your use of punctuation could use some work. (“Your” and “you’re” are not the same. Neither are “its” and “it’s.”) Idiot.
AuntieMadder commented:
Ellen
April 1st, 2010 | 10:09 pm | #250
Bullsh!t. To hell with the socialists’ feelings. And they can go through hard times with the rest of us and just like the rest of us as we – or, more aptly, those we appoint – clean up the mess they made.
AuntieMadder commented:
Truth Czar
April 1st, 2010 | 10:19 pm | #251
Teabaggees are such suckers. Literally!
If I understand the offensive use of the word, it’s the other way around, so it’s the “teabaggers” who do the sucking.
Militant Conservative commented:
raig 1959
March 31st, 2010 | 8:58 pm | #52
not to worry, i practice grouping. Lot’s of states allow us to practice our 2nd amendment. Then again some of us are Duputy sheriffs and empowered to do so. Uh Oh what to do now?!
Anarchist
March 31st, 2010 | 11:07 pm | #66
Dude, you need a couch or a serious sedative.
Gotta be a young skull full of mush. can’t take folks like him serious. He’s just not in the “normal” catagory.
AuntieMadder commented:
AuntieMadder
April 1st, 2010 | 10:28 pm | #253
For crying out loud, I filled that comment with typos. Oh, well, doesn’t matter. In fact, the typos may make it easier for Kevin The Condescending Twit to understand.
EJ commented:
Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy! It has been awhile since I was able to justifiably beat the living crap out of someone. I missed out on the opportunity at the WTO protests in Seattle years ago. I will make sure I make the most out of it if it comes my way again. I look forward to beating some idiotic Big Government loving/hating morons in ski masks.
Truth Czar – A Czar is the epitome of government control and you are an anarchist?!? You are a joke. “Open wide and get a good sniff”… do you breathe through your mouth? I hope so for your sake, because if you cross my path, I’m going to break you nose. Punk.
chuck commented:
this looks like something slick wille &his bud carville string up, but that so or not we at the tea party movement are better than that if they plant violent anarchist at our fre and open rally,don’t fall for it its a set up to smear all of us,don’t argue with these people that is something the state run media wants to run with don’t give them a reason most likely these loons have no idea why will are their and like this congress/senate won’t listen they are their to cause trouble just let them run their mouths and slide away these post high school kids have never had to work for anythingthey don’t see they are going to have to pay the bill in the furture
Arch Enemas commented:
You who call yourselves the “Tea Partiers” are being baited.
Two words for you people to become familiar with: “Agent Provacateurs”
Learn what those are, because they will be at the April 15 protest disguising themselves as those “anarchists” you all seem to fear.
Obviously you people aren’t aware of 1) the G20 protests, 2) the SPP protests, 3) University of Pittsburgh protests, 4) Vancouver Olympic protests [among others] and what they all had in common.
Hint: there is a HUGE liklihood those “anarchists” will have undercover police with them, there to do one thing: instigate a confrontation. If you people are too dumb to realize this, I hope you enjoy wearing handcuffs.
“If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face – forever.” – George Orwell
AuntieMadder commented:
Minnesota Anarchist
April 1st, 2010 | 9:41 pm | #247
perpetua2.0: The far left is actually made up of Marxists and socialists. Thank you for showing me the err of my ways…
And that’s where I stopped reading Minnesota Anarchist And Condescending Twit’s comment. I sure as hell won’t waste my time reading a long-winded, condescending comment written by anyone who shows in his first sentence that he doesn’t know the difference between a verb and a noun.
If this is what our colleges are churning out nowadays, I suggest to all you parents out there to save some money and send your kids to trade school instead. Better to learn how to earn a living than to spend four or more years and a sh!tload of money learning how to be an obnoxious libtard with writing skills that wouldn’t pass the eight grade back in the day.
EJ commented:
@ Arch Enemas
I saw the anarchists in Seattle first hand, and there were no undercover police with them. Most people were there to protest the New World Order, which should have been what the anarchists would support. All they did was drown out any message that was being sent with chaos and their vandalism. I will not let a few idiots disrupt the message of the Tea Party. I will use whatever force is necessary.
The littlest Kraken commented:
Well, thank you Minn Anarchist.
If we use the machines we have today for farming in a non-capitalist system chances are it will be hard to order spare parts over the internet much less refine petroleum for fuel on a village-by-village basis. Think ox and plow will quicly become the fact ideal or not.
I am curious. If I *do* wish to grow 100 acres of rye and have the means to do it and then chose to distill that grain into whiskey is that ok with you? If I decide to use it as a unit of exchange for trade with other communities up and down the Ohio River, as was the case in 1790′s, instead of limiting myself to ‘diverse crops that people in the area can eat, not sell’ what exactly will you do about it?
Will you try to coerce me? What exactly empowers an anarchist to decide the acceptable amount of material goods for someone else to aquire?
Freebird commented:
Remember, Tea Party, that Anarchy is the biggest, fastest, boost to Marxism or any “ism” – don’ let them get to you! It will be playing into their hands.
http://www.wimp.com/thegovernment/
August West commented:
If the left-anarchist crowd shows up- we need to let them cannibalize themselves. Their actions will speak louder then anything else.
Nothing could do in the left then images of a peaceful Tea Party side by side with a bunch of thugs burning flags, throwing rocks at police, etc.
BUT…that’s not to say we won’t defend ourselves and our families…Pray that nobody does something stupid…
AuntieMadder commented:
Arch Enemas
April 1st, 2010 | 10:39 pm | #260
I agree with you about the Tea Partiers being baited. However, having learned that this so-called anarchist group’s big cheese has only about 500 Facebook friends, I don’t think they’re serious about going to the April 15 rally, much less that they’ll incite violence or bring undercover cops with them.
Instead, I think they’re inciting the folks here, successfully so, to post comments that contain threats of violence and promises to carry firearms to the rally. Their motive is to have the event canceled or thwarted by law enforcement because an armed mob descending on DC would pose a danger large enough to trump Constitutional right to assemble.
By the way, you refer to “you Tea Partiers.” So, where do you fit in all of this and what brought you here? Oh, and I like your handle: Arch Enemas. hehe Very funny.
Anarchist commented:
AuntieMadder
For one, the infoshop link doesn’t contain some anarchist group, and there is no “big cheese.” Secondly, the article that got all of you flustered does not mention harming anyone. It says to have a counter-demonstration. Where is this “armed” stuff coming from? There hasn’t been one “armed” anarchist action in this country since maybe 1901. And I don’t think anyone expected all of these rightwing nuts to start viewing sites like infoshop. You guys clearly have no idea what discussions are like on that site.
killer62 commented:
Marcus: “You cannot govern without the consent of the governed.”
Article I, Section 7, Clause 2 of the United States Constitution
The governed are not giving their consent!!
AuntieMadder commented:
marcus
April 1st, 2010 | 7:34 pm | #238
I really think you are all really really crazy. tea party members are stupid people, and those who like Sarah Palin, there is no word for them… anarchy is not good but it is better than what tea party has to offer. open your history books, and look what does a CIVILIZATION is…
Are all of these so-called anarchists condescending twits with poor writing skills? So far, it’s looking that way.
Marcus, you condescending twit. To talk down to others and insult them effectively in writing, you must improve your writing skills. How can I possibly believe that you know more than I do when you display the writing skills of a sixth grader? I’m left thinking that you’re a dim bulb, even among the poorly educated.
Improve your writing skills. And start hanging out with a smarter bunch of people. Idiot.
AuntieMadder commented:
Anarchist
April 1st, 2010 | 11:01 pm | #267
Are you addressing me? I thought I dismissed you yesterday. Go talk to your mommy. She thinks you’re brilliant. Maybe she can even console you after you read from the following link.
Debra J.M. Smith
April 1st, 2010 | 2:39 am | #122
I thought you might like to see this about lil old Chucky the wanna-be Tea Party crasher: http://www.debrajmsmith.com/040110HL1.html
AuntieMadder commented:
I’ve wasted too much time tonight posting comments here. I’m moving on. Be alerted that if you address further comments to me, you’re as good as talking to yourself because I’m out of here.
Minnesota Anarchist commented:
Auntie Madder: I’m sorry that you’re too stuck up about grammar to hear me out.
The littlest Kraken: I’m not going to stop you from doing what you want with land you can use as long as you are not exploiting others. I would ask the same in return. There are basically two ways that widespread Anarchism could come about. One way is to spread our ideology over time until there are enough supporters to create small pockets of Anarchist communes/townships what have you. In such a case it would likely fall to Ox and plow, but there would be much more freedom and equality in those areas than we can experience today. However, people are smart and capable and if they could no longer use petroleum to power machines, we can make new ones. I think this is the most realistic and ethical way that Anarchism could take hold in America. The other way is an Anarcho-Syndicalist revolution of the proletariat. In that case, the people working in industries would feasibly take control of the factories from the managers and produce the things that are necessary for society to function. That would include petroleum. To me, this revolution is a fantasy and also hypocritical to the Anarchist position of being against coercion. This was really long winded, but I hope it somewhat addresses your point on petroleum.
Also, it seems like both sides are throwing out stereotypes against the other here. I understand that almost none of the Tea Partiers are proponents of anything close to fascism. Most of you are responsible adults looking out for the welfare of you and your cherished nation state. Fine. I want to tell you that most Anarchists are not violent and in fact many Anarchists are adamantly anti-violence. Our counter protests will not consists of flag-burning and rock throwing. Most of the signs will be anti-racism and for the welfare of the poor. Hopefully we can both express our opinions as equals instead of bashing each other. That’s all I’ve been trying to do in my comments on here.
The littlest Kraken commented:
Everyone, lets calm down. In the last year there have been efforts to insinuate folks into Tea Parties with the intent to make the movement look bad. There have been thugs and goons to push the protesters around. The Tea Party has been trashed by the major networks and political leaders. James Carville has darkly threatened to target seven or eight ‘leaders’ of the Tea Party movement and dig for the dirt on them.
Now I hear even Marvel comics made the Tea Party a bad guy for Capt America to confront
We’ve been roughed and otherwise dissed by The Professionals. So I don’t really see what else the Anarchists can bring to the table.
So for the love of God everyone do not do anything else than what has been done already to great effect. Bring signs. Bring Cameras. Bring people.
Ty Rutger commented:
Folks.
Don’t be fooled. Anarchists will show up at the tea parties (as the LaRouchies have) and try to blend in. Then when cameras are rolling, they will flash symbols of violence or racism that MSNBC/GE can use to spread more propaganda.
This is Goebbels/Alinsky 101.
Remember, engage people in conversation. If their explanation for being at a tea party sounds like a caricature written by the left, it probably is. Distance yourself. These folks are dangerous and violent.
Butch Pansy commented:
You seditious, treasonous, proudly ignorant loons need a dose of reality. Our President was elected by an overwhelming popular and electoral vote (unlike his appointed predecessor). Why were you silent when BushCo was running roughshod over the Constitution, invading innocent countries, arresting and torturing untried citizens, and lying whenever he opened his silver-spoon filled mouth?
I am insulted that you feel free to call yourself Americans, spouting the totalitarian crap that you do. Ooh, I said a naughty! F’ing baggers. You are a disgrace to the flag you wave as if it were yours alone. I am a proud, red-blooded American, leftist, atheist queer! I proudly fly my American flag; I spit on your seditious don’t-tread-on-mes and your racist stars-and-bars, you xenophobic, short-sighted, twits!
Go ahead, bring your misspelled, historically inaccurate signs and wear your ludicrous costumes. Proudly wave your idiocy for all to see. I don’t wear a ski mask. I don’t carry a gun. I also do not back down. Your threats are as empty as your heads. You should be ashamed of yourselves.
Minnesota Anarchist commented:
I have a few honest questions to pose to any Tea Partier.
What does returning to the Constitution mean in terms of real policy changes, besides “tax cuts” and “stop the welfare state”? When exactly did America turn away from the Constitution in your opinion? What about urban slum areas? How is private charity and looking out for one another going to help people in areas where people don’t have enough money to feed themselves?
Thanks
Ex Democrat commented:
Jeezub, how have these morons not electrocuted themselves yet by blow drying their hair while submerged in the tub?
Ok, infiltrate and sabatoge the tea party protests by pretending to be one of them and carrying a racist sign. But not before announcing, it 2 weeks in advance, on the world wide web for all to see, that they plan to infiltrate and sabatoge the tea party protest!
Even for a lefty this is beyond stupid.
Minnesota Anarchist commented:
If you read the actual words in the original article, there is no mention of infiltration. Anarchists do not need to enter your ranks to expose your group’s racist tendencies, you do quite well at exposing yourselves. You are quite right to point out that if that were our plan, it would be foolish to broadcast it. However, it is not a plan, so it is not foolish to advertise a counter-protest, just as you advertise your protests. As Anarchists we plan on counter-protesting these racist trends and your prosecution of the poor. Note the period.
DW commented:
Butch Pansy I suggest you go to see a therapist or a psychiatrist to assist you with the vicious,psychotic hatred you spew on people different than you. YOU should be ashamed of yourself for judging people you don’t even know.
You sound like you have a nasty, unpredictable temper and might even be dangerous.
As far as intelligence,well, truly smart people want to avoid trouble,strive to understand people different than themselves,and don’t delude themselves into believing they are intellectually superior than others. Yes,dummies do that and usually loose the wisdom usually gleaned from life’s most important lessons.
Grow up.
u7s7m7c commented:
Haha this is funny! They are nothing more than vandals and punks. If society did break down to survival of the fittest they would be the first swept aside! Drop one of them in Iraq or Afghanistan ans see how long they would survive! lmao
chilloutyo1 commented:
Mahatma Ghandi said something like:
First they ignore you
then they ridicule you
then they fight you (this is what were starting to talk about now!)
Then they lose!
Are you Progressives ready for that?
Greg Zotta commented:
I said it was going to get ugly and the summer is not here yet, nor has the Obama administration started on amnesty where LARAZA will get involved. This is a concerted effort by Obama and the DNC to potray this movement as racist. They will use intimidation and smears. Amnesty International is upset with Hugo Chavez of Venezuela for trying to silence dissent. You don’t have to leave the country they are doing it here. Maxine Waters was upset and concerned with the patriotic Tea Party protesters waving flags and exercising their first amendment rights. However, when she was on Nightline with Jesse Jackson she stated regarding the LA riots, “What you are seeing is justified anger.”
Augusta commented:
These are the “Anarchists” of the 21st century? Wow. Sounds more like yet another garden variety group of entitlement zombies. lol! What a laughing stock. They use the same idiotic fear based arguments that the far left has used for decades. “They’ll get rid of food stamps, welfare and abortion, oh my!” Well, it hasn’t happened, but the left has managed to bankrupt those programs and expand abortion to 3 seconds before full term. And BTW Little Miss Pretty Princess Anarchist – Richard Nixon created the food stamp program, a white supremacist / eugenicist named Margaret Sanger brought us abortion – - – and…wait for it…Dr. Martin Luther King was a Republican, as was Frederick Douglas and Harriet Tubman. Not that the Tea Partiers are all about Republicans, but, just sayin’. My, my – you so called ‘Anarchists’ are nothing more than uneducated spoiled children. Why not move out of Mom’s basement and then maybe you’ll kiss a girl someday. Too funny.
The littlest Kraken commented:
To answer Minn Anarchists question how will returning to the Constitution help feed people, etc. ?
It won ‘t.
It was never intended to feed the poor but does permit people to seek the means of survival.
It is a contract between the states that sets up a framework of free trade between the states, sets up a common currency and then lets the states fly their own freak flag when it comes to the details. People then can move and trade and work and earn the means for survival and even aquire property.
Well that was the intention. Somewhere along the way the Federal Government did a little more of this and a little more of that and noone stopped it.
So what we have is a contract that has not been well enforced.
Of course we are talking about Natural Rights when it comes to the Bill of Rights. The Constitution does not grant the right to bear arms or assemble or speak. We had these rights before there were governments and this does not come with permission from the government. The Constitution promises the federal government can’t deny these rights.
Again, I think we all have been doing a lousy job of holding the Federal government to account.
Where has the Tea Party been back before Obama? That is fair charge to make and I wish it began sooner. I would say noone anticipated how quickly things could change. Noone knew so many people felt the same way. Noone saw it coming. You just can’t anticipate a thunderbolt captured in a bottle.
Augusta commented:
Minnesota Anarchist said: “What does returning to the Constitution mean in terms of real policy changes, besides “tax cuts” and “stop the welfare state”? When exactly did America turn away from the Constitution in your opinion? What about urban slum areas? How is private charity and looking out for one another going to help people in areas where people don’t have enough money to feed themselves?”
Firstly, Read the Constitution. Secondly, progressives have been ‘turning us away’ from the Constitution for a while now – most markedly during FDR’s admin, then another surge in the 60′s with Johnson [a major bigot]. Thirdly, I gather ‘Urban’ refers to poor minorities – in spite of general leftist thought, Black & Hispanic Americans are mostly middle class like everyone else, and quite capable of managing their own lives without help from lillie white lefties. As for all poor areas nationwide, they are in that condition because of the cradle to grave nanny state and the culture of victimhood perpetuated by the left. No one is forced to live in government housing.Folks who need a little help aren’t meant to remain a ward of the State for generation after generation.But those who do, do so because of the divisive, pro-segregation, pro-victim, anti-family, anti-achievement, race obsessed rhetoric of the establishment Left.They spread it through education and pop culture.They’ve got to have a permanent voter base, you see. Because if Black kids found out that MLK was a Republican, they might vote that way.
DontTreadOnMe commented:
WHERE IS THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE? No certificate? Then all of this herendous non-sense goes away; the czars, healthcare, all of it. The time has come for the President to perform his duty and show us the truth. There are too many questions, too many doubts and he has been dodging far too long. Where there is smoke there is fire. So I ask you Mr. President: WHERE IS YOUR BIRTH CERTIFICATE?
bmac4freedom commented:
Why don’t these morons just have there own march instead of trying to disrutp others who display the right to assembly and protest.
Now I remember their kind do not show up unless they are paid by their union bosses.
don’t be armed with a gun, be armed with cameras catch all of the stupid violent and moronic things these people do and flood all media outlets with these pictures and clips so that the people actually see the side of these people infringing on other peoples rights.
do not let them push you into altercation because they are the ones that will be staging this so that we the conservatives look to be out of hand and control. I say again a picture or film will be the evidence we need to stick it to them.
Bill commented:
Are these clowns serious? I have been there and done that, was an an Anarchist before it was envogue. Heres the problem with Anarchism, they idea that a nation can be full of people with no LAW is utterly ridiculous. In an effort to be a nonconformist, the Anarchists get highjacked by the left wing. If you like digging in dumpsters and breaking others people property, being an angry little brat with a chip on your shoulder, then the Anarchists wish to recruit you. One thing I may mention to the little college dropout brats that think terroism is cool, you may want to be armed with a little more than a rock or a bottle. This isnt Europe where you will just wreak havoc and not have any fiddler to pay
Norm Jones commented:
This whole conversation is very confusing.
As a proud Libertarian and attender of many tea parties, let me help you understand.
First Libertarians are not homophobes, or racists. The Libertarian Party is about getting the Government OUT OF YOUR LIVES. All people are created equal. Gay marriage? Go for it, the Government should not be able to stop what a free people do. Tea partiers all believe is a social saftey net. We believe in supporting those less fortunate. IF we keep the wasteful spending in check there will actually be more money for the needed programs. It’s that simple. Democrats, Republicans it doesn’t matter. I don’t like politicians highjacking the tea paties. That’s not what it’s about. It’s about US telling the Government that they all work for us, you and me. End the bail-outs of the fat cats! Does that sound like a Republican-Right Wing nut? http://www.wtcmradio.com
Norm Jones
Robert Moschetti commented:
It would surprise the Anarchists to know that the definition of Anarchy is strongly based on individualism. Very clearly these folks are organized and in the pocket of the left and would more closely resemble SEIU and not individual searching for social justice. Too funny!!!
doogle commented:
I hope the anarchists choose Option #1.
The restraint shown by the police in their confrontations with these idiots at previous anarchists rallies (WTO, etc)…will be blatantly absent should those folks want to start trouble at a Tea Party get-together on the 19th.
They’ll have to start it. But, “defense” is a word with a LOT OF LATITUDE!
I suggest they bring it on…
Another Anarchist commented:
When the mid-term elections are over, and the GOP pulls its funding and media coverage from the Tea Party-useful idiots, I’m really going to miss them.
Eventually those guys you have such big crushes on, dreamboats like Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity, will tell you flagsuckers to “hold your nose and vote Republican.” Then it will pretty much be all over, just like the liberal anti-war coalitions that vanished after the 2004 elections.
TalkinKamel commented:
DW, Butch Pansy is doing what the Left always does, when it can’t answer a substantive argument; trying to bully the other side into submission, through insults—having an on-line temper tantrum, hoping we’ll all just give in and go along to get along. (“If you don’t do what I say, I’m gonna hold my breath ’till my face turns blue!”)
And today’s “anarchists” are creatures of the Left, and nothing else.
Whiskey Rebel commented:
Keep your “Founding Fathers;” that power elitist George Washington sent as many troops to quash the Whiskey Rebellion as he commanded during the entire half-revolution against England.
Pacquiao commented:
I won’t be carrying a “little friend” at the Tax Cut Rally organized by Jason Lewis in St. Paul, MN….BUT, a few friends and I will have on our MMA gloves ready to defend against these stinky commies. If I feel threatened, or witness assaults on fellow Americans, I’m “gonna let my hands go”.
Sigg commented:
Why would a bunch of overweight, suburban ClearChannel fanboys be talking about their “little friends,” so much?
Don’t they make pills to fix that problem?
Ronbo commented:
Best advice: BRING YOUR GUN!
“Stand your ground. Don’t fire unless fired upon. But if they mean to have a war let it begin here.”
Captain Parker
Lexington Green
April 19, 1775
Jawn commented:
1. Nowhere on the infoshop post does it mention anything to do with ‘sabotage’, ‘war’, or violence.
2. In a country as conservative and capitalist as the United States, people on the radical left have to settle for things like food stamps and other ‘social programs’ because the concept of worker autonomy, egalitarian relations of production, non-hierarchical social structure and a sane distribution of collective wealth are out of the question.
3. It is not hypocritical or illogical for an anarchist to favour a corrupt totalitarian capitalist country with few social benefits over a corrupt totalitarian capitalist country with no social benefits.
Tom commented:
You have to hand it to the bolsheviks.They are the best at starting propergander and disinformation.No body is more slimmy them these european rag heads who are trying to do the same thing to us that they did to Russia and Germany.The results were not very good for them ,and in the end they will probably see the same results here.Molsel-tuv.
Lady Liberty commented:
So the libs want to dance, huh?Well, alright then. Tea partiers stand strong and proud in our opposition to violent anarchists on the left. Are they going to show their true colors and resort to immature displays of violence as usual. Get it on camera so we can show the media who the real threat to our country is, the lib militias. And the poor people across the country should take the democrats boot of their faces, stand up and join the tea partiers in their effort to ignite real hope, faith and charity.
Perry commented:
So, this was written by an obama supporter?
I thought that they believed in freedom of speech and liberty.
Looks like it is just another facist intolerant hater.
Perry commented:
Bring your video camera’s Tea Partiers. You will get to capture vids of the real racists and haters.
Jim commented:
“Good shall be called evil and evil good”.
This is why “Anarchist” cannot grasp how his logic is so ass-backwards. He considers his position to be “good” when it is actually evil. But since true good is his opposite, he sees good as evil.
His brain and soul are so poisoned with lies and hate that he’s become an irrational being.
No amount of arguing will convince him otherwise. He needs the kind of help “mere mortals” cannot give.
Bob Parks commented:
We’ve all been told that the Tea Party is full of racists, and we’ll be visited upon by anarchists on 4/15.
However, I don’t see too many people of color in the anarchist ranks… http://www.black-and-right.com/2010/04/02/are-anarchists-all-white-racists/
MrLouis commented:
The crosshairs will be on trouble makers!
@n@lyst@ commented:
the US is seeming like 1930′s Spain (during the civil war).
the fascist, must be prevented from completely taking over.
supporting either the government or the TEA party is supporting either side of the same fascist coin…. See More
anarchist have allies in the non-affiliated people (like the non-voters & etc.).
other groups/parties (right, center or left) want to be heads of state.
we, the people, must be prepared.
“Yet when the masses turn(as turn they will one day) and try to end the tyranny of centuries, not only the tyrants but all ‘civilisation’ holds up its hands in horror and clamours for ‘order’ to be restored.
Once more the masses had shown greater political understanding than their leaders.” -C.L.R. James
“In North America, belts of wamapum…were never used as money by the indigenous people when dealing with each other (in fact there were no market relations between indigenous people of any kind at all)…The Iroquois Confederation…saw themselves as emerging from…war of all against all…caused not by competition over wealth and power but by the power of grief and mourning, which twisted humans into monstrous creatures craving vengeance and destruction.” -David Graeber
Me commented:
If you’re going to a Tea Party protest, DON’T go prepared to fight. That’s exactly what the anarchists (or whoever they are) want.
If conservatives truly love the Constitution, then let’s lead by example–that is, by obeying the Constitution. MLK used peaceful and constitutional means to create change. The main argument in his famous “I Have a Dream” speech is based on the Constitution. And he was no more a radical leftist than Ronald Reagan.
The point of the Tea Party is to expose this leftist nightmare for what it is: irrational, anti-individual, anti-freedom, anti-American, unconstitutional, and violent. Leave the “little friends” home, bring the cameras, and film the counter-protesters making fools of themselves.
mlimberg commented:
I think the “Lefties” are getting nervious….
After the November 2010 elections, the term “Progressive” will be understood and put back into the bottle for another 100 years.
Then in 2012, Obama will get embarassed and go into hiding. His photo will move above that of Jimmie Carter as the biggest failure in American history.
Profchuck commented:
Liberalism, progressivism, collectivism, or what ever you want to call it has all of the trappings of a religion. Just because it is seemingly secular that does not mean that it doesn’t exploit the same human frailties that more “conventional” deity centered theologies have used for millennia. The theology of progressivism takes advantage of that part of human nature that “wants to believe” and as such it is on no firmer ground than any other religion. This fact puts most conservatives that would thwart the collectivist movement at a distinct disadvantage. Why? Because the majority of conservatives are religious in their own right so challenging collectivism has the effect of pitting one god against another rather than confronting superstition with reason.
The collectivist “chooses” to believe the unproven and irrational and is determined to compel non-believers to accept “the true faith” under terrible penalties for failing to embrace it. Doesn’t this sound familiar? What God centered religion doesn’t do the same thing?
God might need religion but religion doesn’t need God.
Dick Armey commented:
Keep it up, suckers, GOP money and FOX coverage will be gone after the 2010 election.
Profchuck commented:
It may well be that the most powerful weapon to use against the progressives is to make it clear that it is a radicalized secular religion. However, this is a two edged sword because the same argument can be used against religious conservatives.
As the King of Siam said, “It is a puzzlement”
Chuck
doug lemonns commented:
how do you stump a liberal…..agree with them!!!
they wont know how to take it.
soonercat commented:
You supposed ‘anarchists’ are all a bunch of left-wing freaks. Quit disguising yourselves and playing dirty and follow the lead of the concerned American Tea Party movement. To say that you’ll “carry your ‘little friend’ under your jacket”…yeah, that speaks volumes. Who’s inciting the violence now??
Mike B commented:
What these left wing loons are afraid of and know to be a fact, in the last 63 years of my life I have never seen the silent majority stand up for their rights like they are now! I am afraid I am one of these, but now that I am retired and have a lot more time I will send emails and attend TPM rallies whenever I can. I refuse to let this country go to hell at the hands of the Liberals in this country! One thing to be ready for is the intimidation that one will encounter at these rallies. You have to defend yourself but dont let some Liberal idiot bait you into a confrontation unless it is the last option!
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Anarchist commented:
I wonder what you nut jobs will do if Obama is actually elected again. It seems you are placing all of your bets on the possibility he will not be in office by 2012. While it is meaningless to me, I am still curious. Will your heads explode like Gallagher smashing a watermelon? Or will you finally start to bring out those guns you all seem oddly obsessed with? I am really legitimately curious. What will you do if you are wrong and Mr. Obama is back in for another 4 years?
Peteo commented:
What rhymes with Anarchist & Leftist?. . . .
Terrorist!
mamooth commented:
I will, of course, be attending as a Tea Partier. If I bang my head against the sidewalk several times, I can think like a Tea Partier, until I recover. But there are ways you can spot a plant like me. Such as:
1. An ability to speak in complete sentences.
2. Lack of beer gut.
3. The scent test. A liberal plant can maybe go without bathing for a day, but he can’t build up a true conservative aroma in that time.
4. The puppy test. Children and small animals will not shy away from the liberals as they shy away from most Tea Partiers.
See you there. You won’t see me, unless you follow my advice.
justcuriousinnc commented:
We’ll be able to smell the infiltrators so we won’t need to “see” them. Photograph everyone and everything and if you have the ability record the slurs. Don’t let them get away with false charges. The infiltrators will be shouting and may have signs. Make sure you get photos of them. If you “carry” don’t show and make sure you’re legal. Is that even possible in DC? Not sure but check first.
RAM commented:
A friend of mine will be wearing glasses that have a video camera in them. I’ve also was told everyone should point out anyone not representing the value and morality of what the Tea Party stands for. Anyone violating and putting the Tea Party in a bad light, should be pointed out to cops, video taped to identify and enjoy the fact they will expose just how weak they are by trying this. Have fun! Decent! And REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER!
tea party member commented:
Allahu Akbar
Allahu Akbar
Allahu Akbar
Russ commented:
I beat you to the punch Jim. How ’bout some love?
http://the-resistance.posterous.com/anarchists-unite-crash-the-tea-parties
Good work. April 15th should be a hoot.
Russ
Ben commented:
“This tea party movement that emerged only a year ago is a coalition of conservatives, anti-Semites, fascists,…”
Coming from the people who regularly side with commies in their parades that fascist bit is hilarious.
Ben commented:
Also, anyone who has visited zombietime knows damn well they march beside anti-semites, their hypocrisy knows no bounds.
Ben commented:
@anarchist
“Against whom and what?”
The people who regard the constitution as really fancy toilet paper.
Lady Liberty commented:
The liberals can do and say whatever they want about conservatives just as they always have. The difference now, and what scares the heck out of them, is that the conservatives are shouting back this time, not cowering in a corner afraid to be labeled a derogative name by some pseudo-intellectual, organic soy latte-sipping hate monger who believes Candy Land is a real place and not just a game! No, not this time. Conservatives are partly responsible for the state of affairs in this country because we thought playing nice and keeping quiet was the polite thing to do. Now its our time to have rallies, albeit peaceful in nature because we are smart enough to know that violence is not the answer. Leave the window breaking, destruction of private property, spitting and biting off of fingers to the intolerant liberals.
Merinas van der Lubbe commented:
The moonbat Left (supposed “Anarchists” included) has a big problem here: The cops are all on OUR side. We just need to help the cops be aware, and be there, when the moonbats make their move. A lot of them haven’t dragged a smelly moonbat off to jail in quite a while, and are jonesing real bad.
I had a cop let me out of a traffic ticket the other day – without my asking – when he stopped me (and for good reason) on my way to a 9/12 meeting and I told him where I was going. Think he’d do that for you fruitcake moonbats on the way to your pot party? Yeah… I’ll just *bet*.
See you there, fruits. We’ll all enjoy watching the cops enjoy taking care of your grungy asses.
Jim commented:
I see the uneducated leftist college kids are at it again. as typicle lefty liberal loons anyone who does not agree with them is a ” right wing wacko ” but you have to admitt their fun to watch, they make you think their so worldly ..then they open their mouths and you realise their nothing but 20 yr old spoild kids who know absolutly NOTHING about the world, some one else mentioned earlier that the post WW2 generation was the worst bunch of worthless Americans since the founding of our country and I second that, the TEA PARTY is the most ” for America ” movment that has come along in some time we want only what the founding fathers wanted but the school kids dont know anyhting about our founding fathers their to busy reading about Mao and hugo chavez to remember George Washington so go ahead don your chay chevera t shirts get your cameras and come on down and see what AMERICA is all about and dont forget to bring your daddys credit card …your going to need it to get your wothless butts out of town
Carol commented:
Just a word of caution and good “common sense”. These lefty loons WANT confrontation. Can you think of anything more aggravating to them than for us to just ignore, hold hands and sing songs, religious, partiotic, whatever.? Please don’t give in to temptation. I know how hard that will be with someone shouting in your face, but let’s at least try. We’re better than “them”. Document as much as you can, that’s imperative. I’m 70 years old and nothing really scares me anymore, so I choose to hold the Constitution in one hand and the Bible in the other. No more signs for me. I will stand up for the 9/12 principles Beck espouses, as I truly believe in them.
Here’s hoping we can show Washington what us good old Americans are all about. When we stand shoulder to shoulder and arm to arm, nothing can break our spirit.
Good luck to us all and may our cause prevail!!
Ryan Greene commented:
Just to clear up some things: I’m an anarchist, and I don’t support any expansion of government, including food stamps, welfare, police, army, or gun control.
I just want government out of my life, and to live in a community that knows itself and defuses conflicts between people through social pressure, not coercion or tasers (tazers?).
There are some in the anarchist movement that, for some reason that escapes me, want to expand government. It makes no sense to me at all; my only suggestion is that most of those people are young and “passing through”, rather than anarchists who are well-versed in history and political theory, who have valid reasons for denying government being anything more than “an association of men who do violence to the rest of us” (Leo Tolstoy).
It makes me almost sick when people (mostly tea-partiers these days) compare us to communists or Marxists. Lenin lined us up and shot us like everyone else. Communism is just as ill-conceived as captialism, both only serve to concentrate wealth in the hands of a few people; in the former, political commissars and army officials; in the latter, those who are already wealthy (in some rare cases the poor are able to become wealthy, but only by exploiting the poverty of others).
For more cogent explanations of what anarchism is, here are a few links:
Essays by most notable anarchist thinkers: http://flag.blackened.net/daver/anarchism/index.html
The Anarchist FAQ: http://www.infoshop.org/page/AnAnarchistFAQ
JIM commented:
Ryan if people are calling you marxist and communist look at the people you suround yourself with because thats what they are
” sure I wave the American flag, do you know a better flag to wave.
sure I love my country, with all her faults, Im not ashamed of that, never have been ,never will be.”
John Wayne
k3n commented:
These people that call themselves anarchists are not anarchists but violent marxist thugs. People need to understand the Nolan Chart. Anarchism, in reality, is liberty to the extreme…not violent provocateurs advocating social programs and special rights for certain groups.
k3n commented:
Ryan, the fact is there are real anarchists (like you) and there are fake anarchists who are marxists who use chaos and violence and think that is anarchy. They give real anarchism a bad reputation.
k3n commented:
The author of the post at the link below is off his rocker. For one thing, I am tired of propagandists equating enforcement of proper and orderly and non-exploitive immigration law as racist and anti-immigrant!
http://www.anarchist-studies.org/node/299
k3n commented:
Wow, the admin of infoshop.com admitted to being a leftist in one of his comments. Real anarchists would be neither leftist nor rightist.
“Rupert Murdoch and Fox News may not be organizing grassroots Tea Party chapters, but they are supporting the movement through promotion and organizing of the big Tea Party rallies. This has been criticized and documented (and mocked) by Jon Stewart and others. Just look at how favorable Fox News is towards Tea Party activists. Have you ever seen any TV network do the same towards leftist activists of any stripe? No, hardly ever. Leftist activists are lucky if the mainstream media reports on our events or even do acurate coverage of our protests and events.”
Read that last sentence and key in on the word “our”.
k3n commented:
I know I am being a bit odd with multiple replies on this blog post, but I am finding some interesting stuff. I am researching infoshop.org (which I previously inaccurately referred to as infoshop.com (that was a typo)). I have found that the owner of that site refers to himself as different things on different websites he runs. Chuck Munson refers to himself as all of these: anarchist, libertarian, and “left”. Now, it is quite clear that any true anarchist would not be left, as a true anarchist is centrist on left vs. right and rejects both sides and finally believes in personal freedom to the extreme of no government. He also, however, advocates social programs that would require government, refers to his clique of followers as a “collective”, race pimps, labels anyone he wants to demonize as racist and injects race where the issue is non-existent, etc. On infoshop.org, he openly discusses participation in Black Bloc mobs and discusses their value while trying to portray Black Bloc mobs as real anarchists rather than the Ford Foundation controlled chaos provocateur mobs which they have been documented to be.
I also found that he is listed and firmly coupled with other leftist websites where discussion of marxist revolution is common shared belief and at the same time claims not to be marxist or socialist and both attacks and defends the Obama administration (while essentially saying they are all big gov’t/corporate controlled (which I do happen to agree with)…but he cannot seem to figure out if he wants to defend or deride Obama). He not only runs infoshop.org but has had physical store front “Infoshops” as well, which close because of lack of anyone buying into his confused propaganda and thus making no money.
I do not know if this guy is a self aggrandizing fool or some sort of state run disinfo agent, but either way, he is not a true anarchist…but some sort of propaganda chameleon.
Another thing that points to Chucky-boy not being a true anarchist is that he, just like mainstream media, fails to comprehend that the Tea Party movement is not a single ideological movement but contains some people that are neo-con war mongering zombies and also contains libertarians. Any true anarchists would recognize libertarians as we are for small and localized gov’t where anarchists are for NO government (so we are a bit close to each other). Anarchists of Chucky’s type are the type that are so anti-capitalist that they believe money itself is evil, or at least present that caricature to the public.
Anyway, anyone who considers themselves an anarchist should really read up on Chucky and what he writes and how he shifts his chameleon garb here and there.
Crazy horse commented:
Wasn’t it an anarchist who started WWI?? Peaceful bunch, aren’t they??
Linda Smith commented:
Someone posted: “If I know anarchists, that means in-your-face confrontations by people incapable of restraining themselves.”
What about the teabaggers with their in-your-face rudeness during town hall meetings? Calling anyone with a different viewpoint a – gasp – LIBERAL SOCIALIST!!!! I am non-partisan, but I would not go see my congressman’s town hall meeting because of the rudeness and intimidation – and the next day, he actually sent an email saying, Look there were more red shirts than blue shirts – we won! Yeah, sure, he represents ME??? Very divisive and that doesn’t solve any problems, just stirs the pot. But that’s okay…hmm…look in the mirror, commenter, about the unable to restrain themselves…I see that in many teabaggers and elected “leaders”.
Also, NONE of you take social security, VA benefits, medicare, right? Because that would be…SOCIALIST!!!
Is it okay to shove GOD down everyone elses’ throats (then don’t be complaining about Muslim nations!)?
And you want deregulation for CORPORATIONS, because there is too much “big government”, but you want to want to regulate personal choices (creationism in textbooks, a woman’s right to choose, gay rights).
I asked a Dem friend why the “working class” people migrated from the Dem party and now chose to identify as Repubs. She told me – god, guns, and gays. I think she’s right.
I don’t think the corporations – Corpocracy or Corporatocracy – have our, the working people, best interests at heart, do you? They are profit machines run by the wealthiest people. Don’t you think that they want to keep you indentured through debt? Why did the corporations and banks get bailouts, and the CEOs and top management kept their jobs and bonuses? But working folk got scr*wed??? We bailed out PRIVATE corporations, but our children’s schools don’t have enough money to operate? Why are we bailing out private corporations? AIG got bailed out and my friend lost her job anyway. Doesn’t the capitalist system demand that there are profits and losses and if you run your business into the ground you go bankrupt??? Do you really trust the FDA and USDA? Not me. They both bow to corporate interests.
The definition of Corpocracy:
cor·poc·ra·cy (kôr-pkr-s)
n. pl. cor·poc·ra·cies
1. A society dominated politically and economically by large corporations.
Isn’t that the U.S.?
I’m not a Dem. I’m not a Repub. They both have their far left and far right that I don’t believe in, and their agendas. The tea party is being co-opted by the Repubs. I think you all have the right issues at heart, but all the hate emanating from the tea party turns off someone like me who might otherwise like your ideas.
SJ commented:
Hey All,
I think this post raises some big questions.
1)
Q. First off: Can people read information correctly, and separate what is subjective commentary presented as objective facts from the actual facts presented?
A. While its a mixed bag looking at the comments, it does seem many can not read and separate information usefully here. Particularly the posting author. Where is there any mention of “violence”, only in the title commentary on this page. The Infoshop information has three practical steps (none of which contain the word “violence”, let alone the motivating political text. In fact one of the options given by the “violent anarchists” is to actually do nothing (#3 on the list).
2)
Q. Since Infoshop is not planning any public violence what is the likely hood of some unannounced violence taking place?
A. Who really know – I’ll tell you a big secret: NO ONE! Thats right, no one knows, not even the person that posted this. That however does not remove the possibility of speculation, which is everyone’s right. But is speculation alone worth anything? I would say no, but maybe the posting author is a Hegelian? (sorry for the speculation, are you?)
3)
Q. Could we simply be causing our own demise by not thinking clearly and simply following that loudest chest beating alphas?
A. Could well be!
I am a working class single parent – thats my street credit, as they say. I have been politically active since my teenage years. I have attended many rallies, protests, strikes, meetings, counter-protests (which are really just protests actually), etc and in all the times I have gone to these events I have learned a few things:
a ) Protests don’t typically change what they oppose, that is not unless it is such a “hot” issue that it does capture the “masses”, but that is few and far between.
Neither will taxes change nor will the minds of people who oppose taxes change by a random assortment of who ever feels like going to some strip of public space to hold sings for either side respectively.
b) Working people are all ways left out if money calls the shots – “left” or “right” – Do not foll your self, no one but you can think for you. Don’t just follow propaganda! This means hollow meaningless statements. Try reading Wittgenstein some time. The bosses, the rulers, whatever you call them, and they came in all names and levels etc will try to use language to trick you. Information that reflects your interests NEED NOT BE HYSTERICAL! Why is information presented hysterically? Well, easy one, TO CAUSE HYSTERIA! Who wants you to be hysterical: you? Clear thinking is INVALUABLE don’t let your self get stripped of that!
c) The state/government has well trained, well armed groups of people who group-think a love of violence. Don’t start a fight you can’t win!
d) Working people need to talk to one and other rationally, and calmly. Not all anarchists are rich kids, as not all tea-party people are useful idiots for the rulers (those are common misconceptions I am using for flavor, not saying either one is accurate).
S.F. Canyon commented:
Is it just me or is anyone else tired of these lunatics pi$$ing on your leg and then telling you that you can’t groove on the rainbow until you learn to live with the rain? Give me a break already! If these idiots like socialism so much they need to just pack their $hit and move to Cuba. H3ll, I served with a bunch of folks who each and every one would be glad to show up and build them boats…
‘Nuff said,
S.F. Canyon (hisself)
Daneil commented:
“Anarchy is pro-government”
For that to make any sense you have to completely change the definition of at least one of those words.
Bill Clinton lost the last of his credibility when he challenged the meaning of the word “is”.
Obama is fast losing his credibility (in most circles) for his redefinition of “government”.
So, I guess, the anarchists are stuck with assigning a new meaning to the word “anarchy”.
Strangely, this actually seems in keeping with the ruling tenets of anarchy. Everyone gets to make up their own meaning for the word “anarchy”. They will not conform to what You or Daniel Webster or those Cambridge people think the word means.
They will live by their own rules and definitions. And from now on “anarchy” means “absolute conformity to Obama’s agenda”!!! And you can’t make them believe otherwise, you conservative, anti-Semitic, fascist, libertarian, racist, constitutionalist, militia, gun freak, homophobic, Ron Paul supporter, with your Alex Jones conspiracies, waving your American flag!!!
Quoth the Bunny, “what a maroon.”
Public Frenemy commented:
Anarchists + Tea Party = Black Tea Party?
There are obviously irreconcilable differences between Tea Partiers and anarchists. I’m not naive enough to advocate for any kind of Tea Party/anarchist coalition. But as a confrontation that would seem to have no potential for a positive outcome draws near, I worry that these two movements will squander energy that could be focused on legitimate, mutual concerns involving serious threats to freedom that are rapidly emerging because they’ll be too busy arguing with each other.
Full analysis here: http://publicfrenemy.wordpress.com/2010/04/04/anarchists-tea-party-the-black-tea-party/
not worried commented:
NO Guns just tasers and small bottles of whiskey, someone f&%ks with me They’ll be tasered then I’ll throw a small bolltle of whiskey on them and tell police he is drunk and passed out.
Hangtime55 commented:
The Democrates and the Republicans are running scared ! The Tea Party is here , and they are strong , and they will finally break the 141 year old strangle hold that the Republicrates have had inthe United States, The Tea Party isn’t a bunch of loonies , they are the everyday american people who want our Constitution to be followed by . There are factions within the Democrate/Republican parties that are purposely exploiting the Tea Party so that the unknowing public will assume the The Tea Party are a bunch of extremeist , terrorists , militia and a dozen other radical groups but there not . Watch your Mainstream Media on April 15 when the protest begin . . . and if you DON’T see it on TV , then you should question why don’t you see it on TV ?
Donald Johnson commented:
You have to remember that the Progressive, Liberal, Communist, Marxist (whatever name they are using this week) are NOT anarchists. An anarchist wants no government or government type control in anything.
A progressive etc. wants the government to control everything. Unfortunathy they will also take all the help from the extreme right (yes that is where Anarchists are) and disavow them as soon as it is expediant.
Don
utopia or bust commented:
Most anarchists do not agree with the original post on the infoshop website anyhow.
I am an anarchist blogger – this is what I wrote about the tea party gathering:
http://utopiaorbust.wordpress.com/2010/04/12/teaparty/
Militant Conservative commented:
Butch Pansy
April 1st, 2010 | 11:41 pm | #275
It is not your lifestyle I disagree with, it is your ideology. A well trained malitia does not waste effort with barking dogs. I am the random citizen enjoying all my constitutional freedoms.
Freedoms given to me by GOD not government.
Jpatt commented:
The libturds are delusional thinking they can have an impact against the Tea Party. Tea partiers have already endured a year of verbal assaults “teabagger” “racists” and what has that done? It has made the movement grow. The Tea Party already has approval numbers that blow past Congress. 2 million in D.C. and another 8 million sent Pink Slips to Congress.
I guess you can tell all the Cloward-Piven, Alinsky types that their plans never envisioned a patriot class taking back what is rightfully theirs.
Bob commented:
Be sure to bring video cameras to catch them in the act
That site is owned by a FRAUD and projects an INCORRECT stigma! The definition of Tea Partiers and Anarchists, as a whole, is completely WRONG! commented:
WOW! This resource is absolutlely incorrect. I have lots of adult anarchist friends and they are nothing like that infoshop site descibed. In fact, they are more like the Libertarian type from the Tea Party Movement from 3 YEARS AGO. How much credibility can you give to a resource that mixes up 2 completely different Tea “Party” types and lumps them together as one? If you are part of either side of the Tea “Party”, then you know that the way this article describes YOU, as a whole, is incorrect. It states “This tea party movement that emerged only a year ago is a coalition of conservatives, anti-Semites, fascists, libertarians, racists, constitutionalists, militia men, gun freaks, homophobes, Ron Paul supporters, Alex Jones conspiracy types and American flag wavers.” First, the Tea Party MOVEMENT was from 2007, 3 YEARS ago, which is the Libertarian based grassroots movement birthed by citizens inspired by Ron Paul’s message. The Tea “PARTY” is the one from 2009 with the conservative, Constitutionalist base. So, this resource’s credibility is shot. Now, the anarchists I know are adults AGAINST the stigma of the violent, youth gone wild, riot starting image that this article puts in your head. Instead, the simply believe in being self-sufficent, and living “off the grid”, which includes living WITHOUT any government assistance. They believe in working, using their trade or skills, to barter with others. They grow, can, and preserve their own food. Some have gone to live within a community of likeminded that have set up their own energy and water sources. There is NO violence, they simply want to live in peace, free from corruption, government force, and taxation theft. Literature they have provided to me has mostly been Libertarian based, which would be similar to the original Tea Party Movement of 2007 that has since had to change its name and site from http://www.teaparty07.com to http://www.CampaignForLiberty.com to differentiate itself from the new Tea “Party”. If you are part of either Tea Party, then you should’ve known this was not a credible resource because YOU know if you are part of the original Movement or the new “Party”, even though I’ve found that many from the new 2009 group have no idea that there was a grassroots Movement started in 2007. Either way, don’t put the violent, freeloading youth stigma on todays adult anarchists. For they are nothing of the sort and and are somewhat similar to the original Movement of 2007. If you would like proof, there’s a talk radio show they listen to on blogspot called Movement Radio. There’s 3 shows a week, 1 called “Peace, Freedom, & Prosperity Movement”, 1 called “Anarchy Time”, and 1 called “Off the Grid”. Here’s the link to the blogspot radio station, if you feel so inclined to prove the stigma incorrect, there’s no joining or anything, just click and listen in: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/pfpmovementradio/2010/04/13/lets-talk-live
Don’t believe everything you read, especially if it can’t even desribe YOUR OWN group correctly. Do your OWN research!
Maria commented:
When I think of “anarchists” I remember the St. Paul RNC convention – was it last year? The anarchists marched through the streets, breaking windows, turning over garbage cans, and generally pitching a fit like a bunch of overgrown babies. Maybe the “adult anarchists” are too old to turn over stuff, or actually have jobs and are too mature now to do such things, but, if they are true anarchists, they probably did it in the past. It’s what they do. It’s their M.O. However, there is no evidence that tea party protesters have committed violence or destroyed property or anything else – so the article obviously lied. I went to the tea party in my city last year, and I’ll go again – this time, with my kids. It was a family event. There were no racists or hatemongerers there. No matter what the “haters” say.
Ben commented:
@369
No offense, but maybe you should read the comments of the little prat referred to as Anarchist before you start bitching about this sit.
Just a little FYI.