US BISHOPS: Do Not Pass Pro-Abortion Democratic Health Care Bill
Posted by Jim Hoft on Saturday, March 20, 2010, 9:31 PM
It’s About Time…….
US BISHOPS— “DO NOT PASSS PRO-ABORTION DEMOCRATIC HEALTH CARE BILL”
Catholic News Agency reported:
In a final, urgent plea to prevent the passage of the current form of the Senate health care bill, the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) on Saturday evening sent a letter to Congressmen asking them to vote “no.”
“For decades,” the letter says, “the United States Catholic bishops have supported universal health care. The Catholic Church teaches that health care is a basic human right, essential for human life and dignity.”
“Our community of faith,” the bishops continue, “provides health care to millions, purchases health care for tens of thousands and addresses the failings of our health care system in our parishes, emergency rooms and shelters. This is why we as bishops continue to insist that health care reform which truly protects the life, dignity, consciences and health of all is a moral imperative and an urgent national priority.”
Nevertheless, they add, “we are convinced that the Senate legislation now presented to the House of Representatives on a ‘take it or leave it’ basis sadly fails this test and ought to be opposed.”
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redc1c4 commented:
nice of them to weigh in when it made a difference……
just another reason why i gave up being Catholic for Lent years ago.
God & i get along fine, near as i can tell, but his minions here on Earth are an entirely different story.
AtlasMugged commented:
This is pretty interesting. If federal health subsidies fund abortion indirectly because money is fungible, doesn’t that also mean that tax cuts are pro-abortion because companies or individuals suddenly can spend their money on abortion instead of taxes?
Note to conservative Catholics: you are pro-abortion if you vote Republican because your tax cuts are funding abortion.
bitterclinger commented:
Are these the same bishops that used to siphon off $$ to ACORN? Sorry, as a cradle Catholic, I NEVER learned that health care was a right, and I won’t start believing it now. In the words of Dennis Miller: I’m all for helping the helpless, but I won’t help the clueless.
I WILL NOT PROVIDE GOVT SUPPORT to illegals (yes, Catholic Church, I said that), the clueless, the lazy, the scammers.
AtlasMugged commented:
bitterclinger, I’m with you – we should require credit checks before anyone gets emergency care treatment. The ER is socialist – abolish it.
Robert commented:
I’m not impressed. They’re a bit late, and to my knowledge have not excommunicated a single politician who has for years advocated for the monstrosity known as abortion.
Plus, other than that they would be all for it, never mind the harm it would do to the country.
opaobie commented:
If the Bishops REALLY wanted to show their opposition to this heinous legislation and bring some pressure to bear, they could remind all Catholic Democrats that they will deny the Sacrament of Communion to any Catholic Democrat who votes to pass any part of it….I would even “deem” that the Bishops vote to excommunicate them. Use THEIR Sanctified power to oppose the ILLEGITIMATE ABUSE of power of the Democrat cabal.
Non-surrender Monkey commented:
OT:
You heard today that Tea Party protesters used racial slurs against members of the Congressional Black Caucus?
Lies. Total fabrications.
Here’s a video of the event. Not a single racial epithet was used.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SCs6pSE8_I&
Same event from a different angle:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPoJGNhWB-s&
The Dems must really be in trouble if they have to blatantly lie this way…
opaobie commented:
AtlasMugged, #3, you are joking, right? Once the OVERPAYMENT of OUR taxes is refunded to US, what WE do with it is our own business, so tax refunds themselves are NOT pro-abortion; only the people who use them to pay for abortion are pro-abortion. Personally, I contribute a significant portion to Crisis Pregnancy Centers and ministries such as Life On The Line ….and I’m not even Catholic.
AtlasMugged commented:
opaobie, money is fungible, and if those tax cuts are used as a subsidy to encourage immoral, sinful behavior like abortion, then those tax dollars are effectively funding abortion.
After all, that’s exactly why the Church opposes the bill. It’s not that any federal money actually directly goes to abortion; rather, because abortion is legal and federal subsidies are given to providers, then those providers suddenly have more money to use for abortion.
opaobie commented:
************** TROLL ALERT *************
AtlasMugged, you’re busted. Please, serious conversations are encouraged; stink bombs are not. The Leftists mine this site for planted derogatory comments to be used to discredit Jim and this blog….comprende?
jb commented:
Read the three comments, Sports Fans . . .
You will not have to wonder why fecal matter is called shyte, or why the GOP allowed a shyster from Chicago to become Prez.
The bishops got it right. Killing human beings is bad business.
redc1c4No Gravatar – you are one of the “minions on earth–and you are clueless.
Atlas–the ability of the human race to rachet reality into unreality is beyond description.
The RCC has its problems, but its critics have no clue. BTW-I am not RCC.
Tax cuts funding abortion. Are you mad–as in mentally deranged?
Justify taxes before your un-justify tax cuts.
When the conservatives are clueless, one does not have to wonder why the Leninists are likewise.
opaobie commented:
AtlasMugged, you are using circular logic and specious arguments. Using your logic, every dollar saved and spent eventually funds abortion. The current law (Hyde Amendment) prohibits taxpayer-funded abortion and it prevents even government employees, including Congress and the Administration and the members of the Court, from purchasing any health insurance plans that include abortion coverage using taxpayer dollars. The rest of the country must exercise “free will”, and until Roe vs. Wade is overturned, they can legally purchase abortions using their own money or purchase private insurance plans that cover abortion.
AtlasMugged commented:
opabie and jb, my argument is just as ridiculous as the Church’s reasoning for opposing the bill. There are many political justification for doing so, but their reason is essentially paternalism – that the bill encourages insurance providers to offset private spending on abortion with subsidies – which essentially is like saying that tax cuts are pro-abortion because you suddenly have more money in your pocket.
You may not be Catholic, but I am, and I resent your suggestion that you know better about what my faith says. You’d probably be outraged to know that various encyclicals defend the rights of workers to unionize, criticize laissez faire capitalism, and argue for a greater role of government in the marketplace for moral reasons.
There are valid political criticisms of the bill, but if you really think that pastors should be booting politicians over political disagreements, then you have a slimy view of religion.
brucefdb commented:
I am a wannabee Catholic….a catechumen at age 65. If I give a buck to a Catholic charity I know that 85-90%+ goes to the cause. If a buck of mine is stolen from me by the government, 85% goes to government bureaucrats and 15% to something I probably would not like.
Since Catholics know that man is fallen, I do not understand why they would support anything that gives man dominion over man.
Freedom is the only answer. Nonetheless like Chesterton, CS Lewis and Pascal….I still believe. It is God that rules, not man.
Hatless Hessian commented:
Pathetic, sitting on the fence all this time and hoping to support the Leninist Obama while also thinking your tacit support would buy you his blessing.
The Catholic Church and the Bishops deserve what Obama’s bringing: taxation of church property and the eventual end of their significant presence in the United States. And don’t think for a moment that many of us will shed a tear; when Catholic Bishops broker with the devil hoping he’ll throw them a bone, they deserve to see the end of their church.
Guess they haven’t changed since the Pope did a deal with the Reich that sealed the fate of Jews, or had a progressive culture that gave rise to fascist priests like Charles Coughlin.
AtlasMugged commented:
Hatless, it can’t be any worse than the deal that various Christians made with the Ayn Rand hedonists that seem to be taking over the conservative movement. It shocks me that faux intellectuals seem to think that the philosophy of an atheist who inspired the Satanic “bible” is somehow compatible with Christianity, merely because it gives people an emotional argument against taxation.
Hatless Hessian commented:
AtlasMugged… Rand was a myopic fool, but the only thing worse is a progressivist poseur whose only experience with critical thought is through Rand. What a disgrace.
Get out and embrace real thought. There are exceptional anti-progressive, anti-corrupt hierarchy thinkers available in all realms. Try picking up a book. Judith Butler and Donna Haraway are two great feminist authors who puke at paternalistic hierarchies like this worthless church.
Taxation is nothing more than hierarchical rape and subjugation of the masses. It’s one thing to be a victim of the violence Obama and Bush bring, but to go willingly is beyond disgusting.
Non-surrender Monkey commented:
Hatless, it can’t be any worse than the deal that various Christians made with the Ayn Rand hedonists that seem to be taking over the conservative movement.
Another unbelievably shallow, self-negating analysis. Hedonists are taking over the conservative movement? Seriously? You’re just stringing random words together now, aren’t you?
Do you even know the meaning of the word “hedonist,” or are you repeating it because you heard Bill Maher say it and you think it makes you sound really smart to parrot it?
Robert commented:
#10
if those tax cuts are used as a subsidy to encourage immoral, sinful behavior like abortion, then those tax dollars are effectively funding abortion.
This is an absurd argument, and your following argument misrepresents what is actually a more active and mandated involvement by government-controlled enterprise, and government itself. You then seek to equate the two, when there is no such equality.
Hatless Hessian commented:
Non-surrender Monkey… you’re dead on with these pathetic Obaminsky trolls. They fail to realize their recurring utterances of “teabagging” signifies their complete unawareness of the massive mainstream nature of the movement (soccer moms, middle class grey-collar workers, run of the mill union employees, etc.), but illuminates and exposes their corruption with the progressive elites.
The United States has been fortunate with this progressive advancement under Obama: we’ve seen behind the curtain and have discovered (before it was too late) that it was nothing more than an effort to replace one corrupt hierarchy with another. In this case, country club Bush got replaced with globalist Soros and a network of offshoring, outsourcing global fat cats who advanced the boy president Obama to lead America to slaughter at the benefit of global special interests.
Amusingly, their money can’t buy competent help, especially gauging the quality (or lack of) in the posts by their trolls. The original critical thinkers of the left have either left Obama or are increasingly skeptical, smelling “yet another hierarchy fascist” that resides in the White House. Anyone who’s familiar with Agamben’s State of Exception knows what Obama’s up to, embracing and extending Bush’s extra-legal authority to a new level, meanwhile bringing in a new fascism through the partnership with powerful elites in finance, insurance and industry.
In other words, there are just two kinds of people that back Obama and the progressive movement: Fascists and Fools.
Non-surrender Monkey commented:
More total fakery from President Fraud:
In his remarks to the House Democratic Caucus (the White House website called it “The House Democratic Congress” – talk about a sense of ownership), the president said:
I have the great pleasure of having a really nice library at the White House. And I was tooling through some of the writings of some previous Presidents and I came upon this quote by Abraham Lincoln: “I am not bound to win, but I’m bound to be true. I’m not bound to succeed, but I’m bound to live up to what light I have.”
The book he was consulting may have been They Never Said It, by Paul F. Boller and John George. If so, he missed what they said about the Lincoln passage: “This sounds like Honest Abe, but honesty compels admirers of Lincoln to admit that there is no documentary evidence for the statement.”
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MGZhM2QzMzJiY2E4ZmY2M2NmMzQ3ODUzNTFkZDM0MGI=
Obama doesn’t have an accurate, informed, or honest bone in his body. He’s literally the biggest liar, ignoramus, and phony on the face of the earth. This is why ObamaCare will be repealed if it’s passed. This nitwit is incapable of convincing the electorate to accept it, and he’ll be incapable of defending it after it becomes law.
BigJ commented:
Well, that’s good the bishops came out and denounced the taxpayer-funded abortion included in the bill, but that statement about the Church supporting universal health care is baloney. Yes, the Church supports the practice of charity and helping our fellow man, but it has also repeatedly denounced socialism. (There’s a big difference; with charity, you’re helping your fellow man because you want to; with socialism, you’re helping your fellow man because the government forces you to.) That’s what I’ve been taught my whole life, and I’m not about to change it now.
Doug commented:
President Obama’s Nowruz Message
In this video, President Obama sends an important message to those celebrating the Persian holiday of Nowruz, and in particular to the people and government of Iran.
The GOVERNMENT OF IRAN!
Doug commented:
Nowruz Transcript
MVH commented:
Wow. I guess those guys at the USCCB reached over and felt that bumpy thing running along their collective back and discovered…ta-dah…A SPINE!
There are several decent bishops [to bad it's not all of them] who are openly distancing themselves from the USCCB’s CCHD[Catholic Campaign for Human Development] fund drive . Mostly because of the CCHD’s funding of Leftist and anti-Catholic organizations, including ACORN!!!
Me-thinks that Their Graces are against ODeathCare because of the inclusion of abortion in the bill. If providing abortions were not included in the bill, they wouldn’t say a thing because they just loooooooove big government programs. And the Lib-Theo’s salivate over the “distribution of wealth” big government programs provide.
Solaratov commented:
AtlasMugged
March 20th, 2010 | 9:47 pm | #3
Note to atlasmugged:
You’re an idiot.
Go back to dkos.
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.The only good communist is a dead communist.
kay commented:
@redc1c4No Gravatar March 20th, 2010 | 9:45 pm | #2
nice of them to weigh in when it made a difference……
just another reason why i gave up being Catholic for Lent years ago. God & i get along fine, near as i can tell, but his minions here on Earth are an entirely different story.
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Considering that Liberation theology BS that started being taught as I was exiting high school, along with Vatican II changes that said anything goes and one church service can be different in different communities, along with the Bishops NOT doing what the 3rd secret of Fatima told them to do, I am so with you #2 in your sentiments!
OCBill commented:
Front page of this morning’s Los Angeles Times, Michigan Rep. Dale E. Kildee says his priest told him there was nothing in the bill that should keep him from voting for it, and I quote:
“For Kildee, who spent six years in seminary as a young man, support for the bill was contingent on its banning federal funding for abortion. He studied the text. He absorbed criticism for waffling. He consulted like-minded colleagues. But he was not sure what to do until he took the question to his priest, who, despite other church leaders’ opposition, told him the bill was true to his antiabortion commitment.“
Sandy commented:
I fear the Government will force Abortion on those who want to keep their babies and that scares me more than anything.
StrangernFiction commented:
Due to there lack of support for the Stupak Ammendment the following House dims are heretics and have incurred an automatic sentence of excommunication (http://tinyurl.com/5bv5kr):
Ann Kirkpatrick, Ed Pastor, Harry Mitchell, Raul Grijalva, Mike Thompson, George Miller, Nancy Pelosi, Jerry McNerney, Jackie Speier, Anna Eshoo, Xavier Becerra, Diane Watson, Lucille Roybal-Allard, Grace Napolitano, Linda Sanchez, Loretta Sanchez, Betsy Markey, John Larson, Joe Courtney, Rosa DeLauro, Luis Gutierrez, Philip Hare, Pete Visclosky, Jim McGovern, John Tierney, Ed Markey, Mike Capuano, Bill Delahunt, John Dingell, Betty McCollum, Carol Shea-Porter, Frank Pallone, Bill Pascrell Jr., Albio Spires, Tim Bishop, Joseph Crowley, Nydia Velazquez, Michael McMahon, Jose Serrano, John Hall, Paul Tonko, Maurice Hinchey, Michael Arcuri, Dan Maffei, Brian Higgins, Ben Lujan, Dennis Kucinich, Mary Jo Kilroy, Peter Defazio, Bob Brady, Joe Sestak, Patrick Murphy, Patrick Kennedy, Ruben Hinojosa, Charlie Gonzalez, Peter Welch, Jim Moran, & Gerry Connolly.