Dem's Reconciliation Bill Is Posted; Contains Student Loan Takeover …Update: Boehner Says "We'll Kill It"
Posted by Jim Hoft on Sunday, March 14, 2010, 9:16 PM
Democrats want to swallow up student loans and the American health care industry in one huge bill.
It’s posted here.
You can also read it on Scribd thanks to the Senate Republicans.
More… Jadedone added:
There are three sections talking about student loans.
pg 916 line 17
pg 1949 line 4
pg 2192 line 1and continues for many pagesmight be more, but I just searched for “student loans”. the last page may be it.
Still More… Sandy says:
Student aid portion of bill begins on page 2098.
Willow Rose pointed out the illegal alien and ACORN provisions…
”I am opposed to HB 3200 for a number of reasons. To start with, it is estimated that a federal bureaucracy of more than 150,000 new employees will be required to administer HB3200. That is an unacceptable expansion of a government that is already too intrusive in our lives. If we are going to hire 150,000 new employees, let’s put them to work protecting our borders, fighting the massive drug problem and putting more law enforcement/firefighters out there.” “Other problems I have with this bill include:** Page 50/section 152: The bill will provide insurance to all non-U.S. residents, even if they are here illegally.** Page 58 and 59: The government will have real-time access to an individual’s bank account and will have the authority to make electronic fund transfers from those accounts.** Page 65/section 164: The plan will be subsidized (by the government) for all union members, union retirees and for community organizations (such as the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now – ACORN).**
Remember… Pelosi said, “We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it.”
UPDATE: GOP Leader John Boehner says: “We’ll kill it.”
UPDATE: This is just a shell.
The Hill reported:
“House Democrats on Sunday night set into motion what they hope will be the final steps on healthcare reform. The House Budget Committee on Sunday evening released text that will serve as the base legislation for the changes the House will seek to the Senate bill this week. Specifically, the Budget committee released a 2,309-page effort that had been previously recommended to the Education and Labor Committee and Ways and Means Committee last year. The measure posted online does not include the substantive changes to the Senate healthcare bill that House Democrats will seek. Those changes will be offered during the markups in the Budget and Rules committees, which the budget panel hopes to begin on Monday afternoon. The House is expected to approve the Senate’s healthcare bill along with the package of changes. The Senate would then be expected to approve the package of changes under budget reconciliation rules.”
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CattusMagnus commented:
Where in the bill does it say that student loans will be taken over?
Jo commented:
It is because w/ the student loan pork, the demoncrats can pass this BOZODEATH ™ will less vote-count. They care less but only to take control. It is like Lenin or Mao, they want nothing but to kill you and take your property.
AuntieMadder commented:
That 3.26mb pdf file is taking forever to open. Does anyone know where I can find the bill or a list of what’s in the bill in html format? -Thanks
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jadedone commented:
There are three sections talking about student loans.
pg 916 line 17
pg 1949 line 4
pg 2192 line 1and continues for many pages
might be more, but I just searched for “student loans”. the last page may be it.
CattusMagnus commented:
Thanks jadedone!
JMo commented:
The “PASS IT NOW, AND WE’LL FIX IT LATER*” crowd/politicians sound a lot like the management team at Toyota in regards to the “speed-up, then try to slam on the brakes, then crash, burn and die” folks managing the PRIUS et al issues
*BTW, for all you Pro-Lifers who think that the current abortion language will/can be fixed it reconciliation, super bad news. The abortion language in the current Senate Bill that The House will vote on CONNOT BE CHANGED in reconciliation, as reconciliation can ONLY deal with budget items, of which abortion does NOT qualify. So it is now/never on this issue, too.
Jo commented:
Page 1897:
Sum:
The Secretary can withhold Federal Funds to all Medical establishments if they so deem.
+ each year the federal government percentage to the states decreases, so that eventually the states pay for all medical applications while the federal government contains overall control.
If you are not liked, you will not be served. You must be a Registered Dumbocrat or you will not get service.
Tori commented:
So being an occupational therapy student, I’m seeing that I may be forced into going into public health for a career and for loan forgiveness if this passes. Have not read deeply enough to see what will happen with my current student loan debt.
I hope it doesn’t pass and real reform takes place because all of this uncertainty is already affecting my current job and will affect my future.
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Bobbi commented:
I thought Nazi Pelosi didn’t have the votes for this and they would use the “slaughter solution”. I think this is going down.
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marie commented:
Well, at least I’m 60 years old so I don’t have a lifetime of this to have to deal with. I pity the children not yet born who will grow up never knowing what it’s like to live in a free country. I did until this year.
Hm commented:
Why is the Public Option in this bill? It starts on page 116.
Willow Rose commented:
Yes, why is the public option in there? I thought all that was out?? I’ll be there are a lot of happy Dems out there looking at that and drooling. We’re done.. toast and even burned toast.
Slappy commented:
JMo
March 14th, 2010 | 9:45 pm | #7
The “PASS IT NOW, AND WE’LL FIX IT LATER*” crowd/politicians sound a lot like the management team at Toyota in regards to the “speed-up, then try to slam on the brakes, then crash, burn and die” folks managing the PRIUS et al issues
Good analogy. The “PASS IT NOW, AND WE’LL FIX IT LATER*” crowd/politicians also sound a lot like the management team at Enron back in the 1990s, which used flawed accounting gimicks to inflate their financial performance figuring they could correct it later when they no longer needed to exaggerate firm performance. Of course, shareholders ended up losing close to $11 billion when all was said and done without any of the corrections to their financial statements taking place. Why do I feel that a similar situation is playing out with this health care plan?
Just a thought commented:
A million horndogs are happy that she survived Roe vs. Wade.
Slappy commented:
Just a thought. Is it possible that the Democrats already know that they won’t have the votes to past their health care bill in the House using reconciliation or even using the “Slaughter Rule” so they are simply going to put forth the full bill with everything to appease their base? Then they will spend the next 6+ months blaming the GOP for obstruction and hoping they minimize their losses in the mid-term elections?
Just a thought commented:
Slappy, I don’t have a clue.
So far, though, my obstructionist telepathic powers appear to be working.
stu commented:
so they’re trying to disguise legislation as budgetary reform…this is the end of the republic as we know it if this passes
Willow Rose commented:
Marie: “Well, at least I’m 60 years old so I don’t have a lifetime of this to have to deal with. I pity the children not yet born who will grow up never knowing what it’s like to live in a free country. I did until this year”.
I’m 65 Marie and feel the same way. They can only do so much to me, but the kids are going to have it tough. They’ll probably write new history books saying the world started when O’babble was born. Deeeepressing as he!!
Robert commented:
The takeover of student loans begins on page 2098.
These people are completely insane,
this is a mad grab for power.
ex dem commented:
bobby #11
I thought Nazi Pelosi didn’t have the votes for this and they would use the “slaughter solution”. I think this is going down.
————-
think about it. They weren’t willing to violate ( deem) the reconcilliation rule but they are willing to violate the constitution, their oath of office and 235 years of law? Yeah, right
Chippy commented:
Slappy
You have nailed it. Bingo!
Just a thought commented:
For my next test of my telepathic powers, folks, I will see if I can get Rahm Emanuel to climb up on to top of the White House, and to then get an irresistible urge to see if he can fly.
Sandy from Chesterfield commented:
Student aid portion of bill begins on page 2098.
jjjjjj commented:
I have a question…
if the health care bill gets passed, they will start collecting taxes for the program but none of the benefits are seen until at least 3 years later..
Isnt that NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION?
Opus #6 commented:
Why don’t they throw in amnesty while they are at it?
jjjjjj commented:
And Crap& Trade.. sheesh..
opaobie commented:
jjjjjj, no, it’s tyranny. The fact that our elected representatives don’t represent our views is one of the downsides of the way a Representative Republic operates. The upside is, we can replace our representatives.
Just a thought commented:
if the health care bill gets passed, they will start collecting taxes for the program but none of the benefits are seen until at least 3 years later..
Isnt that NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION?
No, but think about this:
If they handle all of that money like they handled all of the money for Social Security that was supposed to go into a lockbox, you can be certain, absolutely certain that they are running an outrageous scam to rip off taxpayers, and to redistribute the wealth, and [none] of that money will be there 3 years from now.
It will have been redistributed to social programs for minorities already. There is no way in hell that I will trust those scumbags to put my money in escrow. They will steal it. That is my prediction.
Willow Rose commented:
From Houston Tx at The Hill
PAGE |1|2|3|”I have reviewed selected sections of the bill, and find it unbelievable that our Congress, led by Speaker Nancy Pelosi, could come up with a bill loaded with so many wrong-headed elements.”"”I am opposed to HB 3200 for a number of reasons. To start with, it is estimated that a federal bureaucracy of more than 150,000 new employees will be required to administer HB3200. That is an unacceptable expansion of a government that is already too intrusive in our lives. If we are going to hire 150,000 new employees, let’s put them to work protecting our borders, fighting the massive drug problem and putting more law enforcement/firefighters out there.” “Other problems I have with this bill include:** Page 50/section 152: The bill will provide insurance to all non-U.S. residents, even if they are here illegally.** Page 58 and 59: The government will have real-time access to an individual’s bank account and will have the authority to make electronic fund transfers from those accounts.** Page 65/section 164: The plan will be subsidized (by the government) for all union members, union retirees and for community organizations (such as the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now – ACORN).** Page 203/line 14-15: The tax imposed under this section will not be treated as a tax. (How could anybody in their right mind come up with that?)** Page 241 and 253: Doctors will all be paid the same regardless of specialty, and the government will set all doctors’ fees.** Page 272. section 1145: Cancer hospital will ration care according to the patient’s age.** Page 317 and 321: The government will impose a prohibition on hospital expansion; however, communities may petition for an exception.** Page 425, line 4-12: The government mandates advance-care planning consultations. Those on Social Security will be required to attend an “end-of-life planning” seminar every five years. (Death counseling.)** Page 429, line 13-25: The government will specify which doctors can write an end-of-life order.HAD ENOUGH???? Judge Kithil then goes on:”Finally, it is specifically stated that this bill will not apply to members of Congress. Members of Congress are already exempt from the Social Security system, and have a well-funded private plan that covers their retirement needs. If they were on our Social Security plan, I believe they would find a very quick ‘fix’ to make the plan financially sound for their future.”
Just a thought commented:
Whoa, Opus #6!!!!
Hi ya!!!
Tell me, is that your son down in the lower left corner of your picture, and if so, why are you showing only the top of his head? Just curious.
Robert commented:
Just to clarify some earlier comments, the takeover of student aid comprises the final 211 pages of this travesty.
That the Dems would tag this onto the health bill is beyond any semblance of legislative responsiblity.
In putting forth requirements for states to receive grants under this bill, the federal government grossly and crassly expands its role into the administration of higher education.
P.2299
(f) USES OF FUNDS.—An eligible State receiving a
grant under this section shall use the grant funds to im-
plement the systematic reform of community colleges lo-
cated in the State by carrying out programs, services, and
policies that the Secretary has determined to have dem-
onstrated effectiveness based on the results of the evalua-
tion described in section 503(i). States shall allocate not
less than 90 percent of such grant funds to community
colleges within the State.
There are several passages that increase the power of the federal government over the states in implementing their community college systems.
P. 2246 Line 10
P. 2251 Line 20
P. 2258 Line 13
(A) appropriate academic content stand-
ards for grades kindergarten through 3; and
Ya think it’s just about student loans?
P. 2261
(e) CRITERION USED IN DETERMINING AMOUNT OF
AWARD.—In determining the amount to award a State
under section 402(a), the Secretary shall take into ac-
count—
(1) the proportion of children under age 5 from
low-income families in the State relative to such pro-
portion in other States; and
(2) the State plan and capacity to implement
the criteria described in paragraphs (3) and (4) of
subsection (d).
P. 2265
(1) IN GENERAL.—Beginning with the second
fiscal year of a grant under section 402(a), a State
with respect to which the Secretary certifies that the
State has made sufficient progress in implementing
the requirements of the grant may apply to the Sec-
retary to reserve up to 25 percent of the amount of
the grant to expand access for children from low-in-
come families to the highest quality early learning
programs that offer full-day services,
This is FAR MORE than college loans, this is a huge intrusion of the federal government into education at all levels, all ages.
This bill essentially subordinates state control over education to the federal government, to the extent that states desire to get the funding which has been appropriated from its citizens by the force of the federal government.
Chippy commented:
The stimulus probably had the Amnesty provision in it. Remember, every bill is interconnected. Stop one bill. Stop all.
jainphx commented:
Whats the difference between The Demoncrapic party and the Nazi’s, or Joseph Stalin. I can’t see a particle of difference.
You will do as we say and you will like it. Time for the scene from Frankenstein when the townspeople march on the castle with torches and pitch forks
I See Corpsemen commented:
It’s all about getting the youth vote in 2010 and 2012. Oh yeah, and the Hispanic legals’ and illegals’ votes as well.
Jo commented:
White House BOZO Press Release:
After we get healthcare through the ‘slaughter process,” we will immediately start to barrow futures on the tax sums to pay-off CEO that will vote for future Democratic party-members.
We have asked Brian Williams to keep this secret, but we told Couric , Dodd, and of course The normal jackals already know — it was part of the plan. Those youth are suckers.
Robert commented:
I repeat. This is about more than student loans.
They are going to use to the funds taken from states’
taxpayers to mandate the states’ educational practices
at all stages of the education process.
jainphx commented:
Us senior citizens have lived in the greatest country in the history of the world. I have lived through 3 wars, fought in one, Watched as large cities across the country were burning do to riots. Lived through the misery index from ( up till now ) the worst President ever elected but through all that was sure that we would still over come. The people rose up and voted in the greatest President in Reagan, and we survived. Not so sure this time.
idesign commented:
That’s why we can’t concede this battle. Americans must stiffen our spines and stand against this action that violates the will of the people with centralized government mandates and crippling costs.
Lovs me some Sarah Palin using martial terms.
Maybe Mittmentum could pick up a few….
jainphx commented:
All we can do is fight, they sure don’t want to listen! I would like to see 100 or more Dems lose their seats in the house and all Senators standing for re-election. What a message that would be. We the people still own and run this country no matter who says we don’t.
Robert commented:
Any of you that live in states with a Republican governor could write that governor. You could point out the passages I noted in comment #35, maybe edit or find some more, and ask your governor to stand up for your state’s sovereignty. Ask your governor to make a statement against this federal intrusion into our lives.
Perhaps even some of the Democratic governors might not be too pleased with this development relative to their state.
If a few governors released statements about this, it could have an impact. If their remarks were about the educational aspects of this “health care” bill it might throw a monkey wrench into this process.
Opus #6 commented:
JAT, #34, yes, that is my son. Er, one of my sons.
He has a sweet face. I can’t run around the internet dealing with liberal progressives with his beautiful 5-y-o smile lighting up the internet.
If you search my blog (click my name) look around mid December and you will find the large version of the pic from the school Christmas party where it was taken.
howdareyouaskformyname commented:
They pass this and the Republic is lost. The Pubbies will never have both houses and 60 votes in the Senate and deep down most of them are just fine with all of the new power they will have. Just watch Graham and McCain cozy up to some of this amnesty and Cap’n Trade BS.
BTW, there is no way in hell this is legal so it is obvious they are going for broke.
And whoever mentioned Romney needs to rethink that. He passed this same crap in MA so he is ineligible to even think about running for office. We don’t need a candidate with that much blood on their hands.
jjjjj commented:
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. –That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
—————-
Obama is a Man(maybe a woman, we really dont know for sure..)
Robert commented:
The loan takeover:
P. 2152 Line 19
‘‘(1) no new loans (including consolidation
loans) may be made or insured under this part after
June 30, 2010;and
‘‘(2) no funds are authorized to be appro-
priated, or may be expended, under this Act or any
other Act to make or insure loans under this part
(including consolidation loans) for which the first
disbursement would be made after June 30, 2010,
except as expressly authorized by an Act of Congress en-
acted after the date of enactment of Student Aid and Fis-
cal Responsibility Act of 2009.’’.
jainphx commented:
jjjjj— Those words meant so much back then, but how much more today. We have a congress that wants legislation to become law WITHOUT even voting on it, and a President that is eager to sign it into law. I think this is what our Fathers were speaking of when they wrote them words.
Carol Herman commented:
Did you notice Pelosi is nowhere to be seen? This BS is being carried by Axelrod. What does he know about congressional votes? And, all Robert Gates needs is a beret, to stand in for Baghdad Bob.
The ‘up-load’ is nothing more than crap that was in committee and couldn’t come out to fly.
It’s like Oscar Wilde said on his deathbed. “Either I go, or this wallpaper’s got to go.”
Oh, yeah. And, the rumors in Egypt say ‘Hosni Mubarak is dead.’ Sure. Still in germany. No longer in the ICU. But in a room to himself. Probably a refrigerator drawer. No need to send sweaters.
The news circle will be taken up by Hosni’s ‘condition,’ soon enough. Will the bamster fight plugs to go to the state funeral? Who knew you could put ‘fun’ … in eral. Wherever eral, that is. Oh, IF Hosni’s gone? Plugs has no idea of the earthquake zone now in Egypt.
sandy commented:
I just read that the Public Option is back in the bill. I suppose when you’re going down in flames you become a Kamakazi. Bonzai Obama and Bon Voyage Democrats.
sandy commented:
17 States are suing to opt out of this bill. I don’t believe that taking over this country is as easy a task as Obama and his run amuck crowd seem to think. There will be tons of lawsuits especially if they go ahead with the Slaughter idea–which is definitely unconstitutional.
sandy commented:
Willow Rose — Those of us in our 60′s have a job to do. We are the ones who remember the greatness of this country and it is our responsibility to pass on what we know to younger people. We are on God’s side. Staying well and strong is the best revenge.
Sandy from Chesterfield commented:
This is also so much more than a student loan program. Only disadvantaged youth from low-income communities and underrepresented groups will be granted loans and you can no longer get a loan from a bank. So the government will decide who gets to go to college. This program includes investment in black colleges, grants for modernization of schools as long as they use the “green” philosophy and get rid of your sprinkler system, grants for early learning centers for ages birth to 5, loans will include tuition and board, books, expenses, transportation and a computor. Redistribute that wealth! WE CANNOT AFFORD THIS OR HEALTH CARE FOR EVERYONE!
Jim commented:
Make sure you are aware of the primary election dates in your state. Vote for the most conservative guy on the Republican side of the fence. RINOS can’t be trusted to roll this back. Make sure a true conservative is on your ballot for the November election.
Jo commented:
Don’t forget Bozo promised to Executive Orders once this behemoth passes.
Militant Conservative commented:
jjjjj
March 14th, 2010 | 11:55 pm | #47 The time is swiftly aproaching for the public to rise up and fight. Many are prepared and ready to fight. The military does not stand behind the president. They stand behind the constitution. I’m 48 and ready to fight and die for the freedoms they are trying to take. I love this country, I served it, This stops here with this socialist prez. Go ahead, make my day. powder is dry.
Jim commented:
Take it out in November on every Democrat, federal, state and local. Destroy that party and give it a spanking it will never forget!
If they got a (D) next to their name on that ballot vote them out!
If you are calling congressmen who plan to vote NO, tell them that isn’t good enough. Passing this bill will be an indictment on the entire party. The DEM leadership decides what bills get to the floor and which ones don’t. The only way to get rid of the leadership is to put the other party into the majority.
Andreas K. commented:
Actually JMo, it’s more like things Volkswagen would do these days. The Toyota analogy fails, because, here comes the big shocker, investigators have failed to reporoduce the “incidents” some people have claimed.
Kenny Solomon commented:
Jim, #58……
“Take it out in November on every Democrat, federal, state and local. Destroy that party and give it a spanking it will never forget!”
We don’t have until November.
The Marxist Jihad administration has arrived at their “go go go” moment in time.
KLS
squeaky commented:
from free republic – an example of healthcare for everyone unless [of course] some board decides your value doesn’t meet the cost…..
[Treatments used widely in the U.S. and Europe have been rejected on grounds of cost-effectiveness, yet patients and their loved ones have seen the NHS waste astronomical sums.]
Read more:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1257944/NICE-rejects-cancer-drugs-extended-patients-lives.html#ixzz0iFAPNDEe
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1257944/NICE-rejects-cancer-drugs-extended-patients-lives.html
Don B commented:
If this “bill” passes with its tax increases along with Obama’s protectionist and pro union policies, we will bypass a double dip recession and proceed directly to a depression. History may repeat itself.
bill-tb commented:
Why not put in crap and tax as well. A few more lies shouldn’t hurt things.
squeaky commented:
on fox – the settlement for ground zero workers.
one was upset they wanted the claimants to sign before reading……..and the lawyers on
the case will get 33% of the settlement or roughly 200 m………
nickless commented:
Either they’re sticking in their wish list because they know it’s going to fail and they want to tell their base ‘we tried,’ or a lot of these things are meant to be sacrificial lambs to be dropped easily to make the bill look like it’s been moderated.
Frankly, I’m hoping for #1, but the sleaze emanating from Pelosi’s cadre is so redolent I wouldn’t put *anything* past them.
spypeach commented:
Is it normal for them to single out historically Black Colleges for funding. I don’t understand how they can single out a specific group of colleges based on race.
2099
•J. 55–345
TITLE I—INVESTING IN STUDENTS AND FAMILIES
Subtitle A—Increasing College Access and Completion
Sec. 101. Federal Pell Grants.
Sec. 102. College Access and Completion Innovation Fund.
Sec. 103. Investment in historically Black colleges and universities and other
minority-serving institutions.
Sec. 104. Investment in cooperative education.
Sec. 105. Loan forgiveness for servicemembers activated for duty.
Sec. 106. Veterans Educational Equity Supplemental Grant Program.
Subtitle B—Student Financial Aid Form Simplification
Sec. 121. General effective date.
Sec. 122. Treatment of assets in need analysis.
Sec. 123. Changes to total income; aid eligibility.
Aitch748 commented:
I’m still half-convinced that this bill isn’t even designed to provide healthcare OR healthcare insurance. I think that part is just to convince people that this is a new entitlement program, just because entitlement programs are political death to try to repeal. This bill is about taking our money and getting a tighter and tighter hold over all of us — but you all know that. But I think this bill is being pushed as more of a benefits package than it is, just to make it that much harder politically to uproot it later.
Because the taxation and the controls start right away, but whatever benefits there are won’t be coming for years — and who’s to say that those benefits are guaranteed to arrive on the due date? Who can say that the powers-that-be won’t just push the due date back further into the future? The Democrats could spend every penny of tax revenue that this bill scares up, and then the Democrats could say “we just don’t have the money yet to start providing benefits, so we have to put it off a little while longer.”
And that’s before you remember little details from previous incarnations of this monstrosity, like the government being able to siphon funds directly from your banking accounts to pay for “healthcare costs.”
This bill just screams “scam” to me.
Bill Fleming commented:
There are lots of legitimate reasons to oppose the health care reform effort but jumping off a cliff over non-existant issues isn’t one of them. Wild Rose’s claims about alarmist provisions are nonsense. Sec. 153 has nothing to do with illegal aliens. It is an anti-discrimination section prohibiting discrimination for “personal characteristics.” Your legal status in the country is not a “personal” characteristic.
Pages 58-9 are focused on eliminating paperwork, manual processing of paper, etc. The section provides for what is generally referred to as “e-health.” Given the time, expense, and paperwork reduction that is the goal here I would think that conservatives would be in favor of this. The image of a greedy government snagging funds arbitrarily from your bank account is absurd. This is about enabling electronic processing, period.
Section 164 isn’t about ACORN or unions. It is about a temporary reinsurance program to assist people who have retired, had employment based health plans, and continue to enjoy those benefits in retirement because their employment terms provided that benefit. It is to protect them at least somewhat from escalating health insurance costs when they are living on fixed incomes. It helps the employers continue to provide that benefit.
Be opposed, but be opposed for rational reasons.
Redwine commented:
This bill is about seizing power via institutionalized theft. Nothing more. It has absolutely nothing to do with healthcare.
They are planning to steal everything you have:
Page 58 and 59: The government will have real-time access to an individual’s bank account and will have the authority to make electronic fund transfers from those accounts.
This will prevent people from working hard in the private sector to buy the amenities of life – a home, a car. You will never feel safe knowing the regime (and it is a regime) can take your money away at any time. This will control your behavior. If you voice opposition, homeschool your kids, contribute to conservative causes, your money will be gone in a flash.
They connive to pay off their stormtroopers:
Page 65/section 164: The plan will be subsidized (by the government) for all union members, union retirees and for community organizations (such as the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now – ACORN).
They will protect those who seek to undermine American society.
Page 50/section 152: The bill will provide insurance to all non-U.S. residents, even if they are here illegally.
Student loans have nothing to do with healthcare. Paying off the unions have nothing to do with healthcare. Stealing from your bank account has nothing to do with healthcare.
The regime will be watching. Like Iran and Syria of today and communist Romania and East Germany of the near past, you will never know which family members, friends, or colleagues have been recruited to spy.
KILL THE BILL!!!!!!
Hate the Left commented:
Related: The socialist-in-charge is set to debut his overhaul of No Child Left Behind this week. Any bets that there will be some ‘candy’ in there for the teacher’s unions? No doubt standards for teachers being named ‘highly qualified’ (actually majored in the subject(s) they teach) will be watered down, to apologize for Obummer’s positive comments about the firing of the entire staff of a Rhode Island school district, which really p-o’d the NEA.
I read somewhere online (sorry, didn’t get the source) that the mandatory reading and math tests of NCLB for 4th graders are out, and instead, it will be mandatory that all senior hs students will be ‘college or career ready’ – does that mean they will be teaching ‘do you want fries with that’ in our voc ed/tech prep classes? Or, will this be “Everybody goes to college!” – as in Oprah’s exclaimation, “Everybody gets a car!”?
Surely there is some provision in this ‘new’ NCLB to ensure disadvantaged students from public schools in urban settings get an extra 2.0 honor points added to their GPA, so that a D average becomes an A or B, making them ‘college or career ready’. If that happens, we really are doomed.
It would mean 100% job security for college profs, but they should be careful what they wish for…..the overall quality of student intellect will go down the toilet!
Kill the health care/student loan takeover bill!
Melvin Winter commented:
Related poster parody: The Slaughter-Rule Massacre: http://optoons.blogspot.com/2010/03/slaughter-rule-massacre.html
kansas commented:
What else is buried in 4500 pages of legislation.
Maybe President for Life Barack Hussein Obama?
Chisum commented:
Does The ‘Shell’ Health Care Bill Have Any Teeth?
The short answer is: Do not trust. And verify.
Upon the release of the ’shell’ 2,300 page reconciliation health care bill, which includes a public option, immediately some started issuing calls to calm down, that it’s a shell bill that will allegedly be stripped by the Rules Committee. Allegedly is the key word. While it is what we are being told, there is no guarantee. In fact, the air drop rules committee strategy allows for any provisions that they need to pass the bill, and that can include the public option or anything else that they wish to insert.
Public option is technically back on the table. And the only way it will come off the table, is if it is stripped out. If.
Why on earth would anyone believe that it would be? Or that any of it will be? Why would anyone believe that the Democrats play fair and that we can all work together all gentlemanly-like and in good faith? They cannot be trusted – they will smile to your face and then turn around and bite off your pinky. They lie to members of their own caucus and now admit they have no plans to remove funding for abortion stipulations.
http://www.redstate.com/snarkandboobs/2010/03/15/does-the-shell-health-care-bill-have-any-teeth/
Chip Bennett commented:
@Jim:
Willow Rose was actually quoting The Hill regarding HR3200, which is the original bill that passed the House. Those provisions may be in the draft House bill from last night, but the page references correspond to HR3200.
Also, that list showed up on comments and blog posts all over the place, but few people vetted any of the claims. Of the ones that I did, most of the allegations from that (oft-copy-pasted) list are either exaggerations, or not true.
For example:
The only reference to immigration status is on page 132, Section 242, in defining “affordable credit eligible individual” [emphasis added]:
Section 164 does not reference Unions, ACORN, etc., but rather retiree-insurance plans.
Please vet/source such claims. That list made us look bad the first time it made its rounds; let’s not propogate it again.
Jeanne Pickens commented:
Bye, Bye Miss American Pie, drove my Chevy to the levee but the levee was dry, them good ole boys were drinking whiskey and rye singing this will be the day that I die…if this bill passes D.C. will own all of us.
Bily R commented:
I, for one, am ecstatic about the student loan change. I guess none of you have ever had a child’s life ruined by the heavy debt of student loans through loan shark banks? I applaud the Democrats for getting this change through. My kids paid way more than they had to for those bank student loans pushed on them by “advisors” at their schools who got kickbacks from the banks. Hooray for the Dems on this one..