Dems Approve Slaughter Rule– Will Ram Through Obamacare Without Voting On It
Posted by Jim Hoft on Thursday, March 18, 2010, 12:12 PM
GOOD-BYE REPUBLIC… HELLO TINPOT DICTATORSHIP
Corrupt House Democrats today voted to approve the Slaughter Rule. They will use the rule now to take over one-sixth of the American economy when they vote for Obamacare on Sunday.
222 Democrats agreed to fundamentally change Congress forever.
No Republicans voted for the rule change.
55% of the country oppose Obamacare - 35% approve of the democratic bill.
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Pat the First commented:
As I have said, they don’t care what you want or think.
aprilnovember811 commented:
WE WILL IMPEACH!
Aitch748 commented:
There goes the legitimacy of our government.
And here comes the dictatorship because they’ll HAVE to start forcing us to do everything and double-checking compliance relentlessly.
Opaobie commented:
“DEEM: me up, Scotty, no intelligent life here.”
nelli commented:
They can deem the bill passed, and we will deem them fired. They can’t give themselves enough cover if they take over a bedspread factory.
Come November, we remember.
down with dems commented:
Per Redstate.com , spread this over the internet like wildfire and lobby your Senator to attach this amendment to any and all pending bills on the floor of the Senate.
http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2010/03/18/mr-president-i-send-an-unprinted-amendment-to-the-desk/
START OF TEXT OF THE AMENDMENT:
Unprinted Amendment No.___ .
Intended to Proposed by Mr. _________.
Viz:
Add at the end of the bill the following new Section:
“Sec.___ . a) Inasmuch as Sections Five and Seven of Article I of the United States Constitution mandate a certain process for the enactment of a federal law and do not allow a measure to become a law by “deeming” it passed by either House of Congress, it is the Sense of the Senate and its judgment that the House of Representatives is required by the Supreme Law of the United States, to vote directly and up or down on H.R. 3590 in order to send that measure lawfully to the President, if, and only if, it shall have been approved by a majority vote of each such House taken on an identical measure; and, more particularly, it is the Sense of the Senate that, in conformity with Article I of the Constitution, the House of Representatives, unless the measure is returned to the Senate with an Amendment by the House, must vote directly on the language sent to it by the Senate precisely as it was duly enrolled at the direction of the Senate by its Enrolling Clerk, certified as an Act of the Senate by the Secretary of the Senate, and thereupon transmitted by the Senate’s Messenger to the House Chamber while the House of Representatives was in actual Session.
b) It is the further Sense of the Senate that the exact words that the Senate caused to be enrolled on parchment and taken by messenger to the House of Representatives, constitute the sole document and the only document upon which Members of the House can lawfully cast their vote, whether Yeah or Nay, under the process expressly mandated by the United States Constitution; and it is also the Sense of the Senate and its judgment that to do otherwise by “deeming” rather than voting would void any purported enactment, deprive it of the force of law, justify disobedience to it, and cause irreparable violence and harm to our system of government and its fundamental law through fraud, deception, abuse of power, and usurpation of the civil rights of the People.
c) This Section maybe cited as the “Congressional Voting Rights Resolution.”.
END OF AMENDMENT TEXT.
bill-tb commented:
Deem-O-Crats … tyranny directly ahead.
Betsy Ross commented:
Whoa….do we call him King barry now…being that from now he can “deem” whatever his little tyranical, grinch-sized heart desires…
kansas commented:
My stupid ass Blue Dog Moore, who is not running again, voted for Slaughter. Says his wife will run in his place. Good luck with that traitor.
HolyShiiteBatman commented:
I don’t confess to understand this in great detail, but does the Slaughter Rule essentially give the Dems two chances to pass this crap?
It looks like Pelosi et. all are having a hard time nailing down exactly how many votes they can actually count on. This makes it risky to take any vote on the current Senate bill. There has to be a number of members that are telling the leadership they will vote yes to keep the heat off from the administration, but come crunch time plan on voting no.
A “deem and pass” vote will force all the members to declare how they will vote. If it were to pass this way, then deal done. If it doesn’t, then those that vote no would then come under tremendous pressure from the administration.
With the Slaughter Rule they can afford to lose once and still keep things alive and will gain information in the process. I think this is why the GOP was trying to force and up/down vote only.
Aitch748 commented:
We need to start tracking these people down PERSONALLY and confronting them in the street. If you see one of these freaks walking around loose, instant-message his whereabouts to other people so they can confront him too, after you’re through shouting LOUDLY in his face, in public, about what a treasonous scumbag he is, and how he really isn’t an American. Call him every name in the book, like people did to Ben Nelson when people found him in a pizza joint. Do research on these freaks to find out every underhanded thing they did and when, and confront the freaks with it, right out in the streets.
Happy nice politeness time is OVER.
Koreanneonkoan commented:
Ok, so let me get this straight.. The Title of this article says that the democrats will pass the bill without voting on it. Then the main lede says “..When they vote for the bill on Sunday.” And not one of you sees the irony in this? Also, I would like it explained to me how Congress will be changed forever by using a parliamentary tactic that’s been used almost a 100 times in the past decade.
Listen up idiots: What the Self Executing Rule does is allow the House to basically pass both the Senate bill along with the reconciliation package at the same time. That’s it! That’s f(#$ing it!
alaskan commented:
222 Democrats will vote ‘Present’ on Health Care.
Obama taught them well.
Koreanneonkoan commented:
http://wilsoncenter.org/index.cfm?topic_id=1412&fuseaction=topics.publications&doc_id=190504&group_id=180829
There you go, a complete explanation of what Self Executing Rules are.
My two favorite paragraphs..
When Republicans took power in 1995, they soon lost their aversion to self-executing rules and proceeded to set new records under Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.). There were 38 and 52 self-executing rules in the 104th and 105th Congresses (1995-1998), making up 25 percent and 35 percent of all rules, respectively. Under Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) there were 40, 42 and 30 self-executing rules in the 106th, 107th and 108th Congresses (22 percent, 37 percent and 22 percent, respectively). Thus far in the 109th Congress, self-executing rules make up about 16 percent of all rules.
On April 26, the Rules Committee served up the mother of all self-executing rules for the lobby/ethics reform bill. The committee hit the trifecta with not one, not two, but three self-executing provisions in the same special rule. The first trigger was a double whammy: “In lieu of the amendments recommended by the Committees on the Judiciary, Rules, and Government Reform now printed in the bill, the amendment in the nature of a substitute consisting of the text of the Rules Committee Print dated April 21, 2006, modified by the amendment printed in part A of the report of the Committee on Rules accompanying this resolution, shall be considered as adopted in the House and the Committee of the Whole.”
wanumba commented:
alaskan
March 18th, 2010 | 1:50 pm | #16
222 Democrats will vote ‘Present’ on Health Care.
Obama taught them well.
……………
wow. nailed that. wish it wasn’t the truth.
Aaron commented:
After ‘amnesty for illegals’ is deemed passed next, they’ll secure their elections with a flood of new democrats looking for the next handout, so I’m not looking at November through rose colored glasses.
Anyone else agree?
HolyShiiteBatman commented:
Self executing rules. Read the whole thing…didn’t see anything regarding what it’s been used for. Certainly it’s been used for things such as passing Medicare or SS? More likely for declaring National Baked Bean Day or other such drivel.
Please provide when it’s been used for something approaching the scope of what’s being debated here with health care takeover.
TheDuke commented:
Jason Altmire proves himself to be as lying and duplicitous as everyone else. For the past week he has been railing against scheme and deem and then he votes in favor of it.
jomojava commented:
And the list of injuries to We, The People continues to grow.
BHG commented:
Voting on the rule doesn’t mean you’re a yes vote on Sunday. It means you get to prove your party credentials today and vote your convictions Sunday.
When Republicans gain power in Nov. this vote will come back to haunt the Dems.
Remember Eleanor Smeal’s comment after they lost ERA in IL – “Something very powerful was against us and I don’t mean people.”
http://lhla.org/breaking_news/?p=4309
Phone but pray, people!
Deb commented:
It is time for a REVOLUTION or IMPEACHMENT
or how about both!!!
steve commented:
Ok folks, looks like we’re just about at the point to initiate the Honduran Option.
When Manueal Zelaya attempted this, he was removed from office and sent out of the country. Democrat thugs are working to do for Obama what was attempted in Honduras. We’re just about there! When they make their move, it’s time we make ours! Let’s roll !!!
Kevin P commented:
Aaron #19 – I’ve been worried about that since Sept. 2008…
The Senate Republicans need to fillibuster EVERY new legislation coming down the pike – I don’t care if it’s dealing with naming a new post office.
NOTHING should get passed after this fiasco!
John commented:
Ike Skelton is a lying POS. He said he was against this bill and now votes for this Slaughter BS. I don’t live in his district, but can guarantee I’m going to donate to whomever is running against him!!!!!
Major Kong commented:
History will record that, today 222 democrats decided to cleave the Nation in two. In the end , their partisan, ideological president was more important to them than the integrity of the Constitution and the country it protects. May their descendants never be allowed to forget the damage these traitors have inflicted upon this country. And may everlasting shame be their only legacy. They have sown dragons’ teeth.
Mick commented:
Make sure we get a list of the 222 congressmen/women who voted this down. Then make sure they are never re-elected. Further, make sure they never work in government again. And, do everything legally possible to confiscate their pensions and medical plans. Destroy them!
Major Kong commented:
Mick @ #32
Yeas and nays
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2010/roll129.xml
Just Begun to Fight commented:
After ‘amnesty for illegals’ is deemed passed next, they’ll secure their elections with a flood of new democrats looking for the next handout, so I’m not looking at November through rose colored glasses.
Anyone else agree?
No. We’ve faced threats of this magnitude before and prevailed, so I’m not ready to roll over on my back and surrender before the fight even begins.
Logistically there’s no way for the Democrats to legalize all the illegals and then register them as new voters in time for the November elections. And if they try, the powder keg will finally go off.
Instead of giving up, I’m preparing to fight, as are millions of my fellow citizens. Some pollsters are projecting that in the next elections the Dems will lose 100 seats in the House and 20 in the Senate. Given the level of rage they’re engendering, those numbers are clearly within the realm of possibility.
If the Dems lose that many seats, the GOP will be able to repeal ObamaCare and then override Obama’s veto. So it’s way too early to surrender. The Dems are lighting a fire under a sleeping patriotic giant. I’m not afraid of the future. Americans aren’t Europeans, Canadians, Australians, or Venezuelans. We fight back.
Join the fight and stop being afraid.
MAJ Mike commented:
Is this THE ONE’s Enabling Act? Will any vote ever be required ever again from the two houses of Congress? Will they be able to rule by “deemed” decree from now on?
Time to review the contents of the ammo box.
wow commented:
This is totally off topic, but is anyone else having trouble reading the threads? Started this morning. The print is tiny and gray instead of sharp black.
Paul N. Marston commented:
Adler, Arcuri, Boren, Bright, Carney, Childers, Cooper, Costello, Dahlkemper, Davis (AL), Giffords, Herseth Sandlin, Holden, Kosmas, Kratovil, Lipinski, McIntyre, McNerney, Melancon, Michaud, Minnick, Mitchell, Nye, Perriello, Schuler, Stupak, Taylor, and Teague voted against the rule.
We lost Barrow, Boucher, Boyd, Chandler, Davis (TN), Edwards, Kissell, Marshall, McMahon, Peterson, Ross and Skelton out of the firm no’s. We lost Berry, Donnelly, Driehaus, Lynch, Matheson and Tanner out of the leaning no group. We lost Altmire, Baird, Boccieri, Markey and Murphy out of the previous no group who were undecided. We lost Ellsworth and Hill out of the hopeful group.
This does not compute because we got some who were yes votes and lost way too many no votes. Some voted for the rule that are known to be solid no votes and others voted against the rule that are known to be yes votes. I think a lot will switch their votes if the bill comes up as they are trying to be both for and against the bill at the same time.
AuntieMadder commented:
Koreanneonkoan, only idiots support Obamao and therefore Obamao supporters, like yourself, aren’t in any position to call other people “idiots.”
Now, go pound sand up your @$$. Idiot.
That Guy commented:
I agree Just Begun to Fight.
If this obamanation passes, the time it’ll take to go through the multitude of lawsuits and eventually the pissed-off-at-Obama SCOTUS the Conservative will long be the Majority in Congress to stop it.
Obama will have proven himself the craven fool and criminal we all know he is.
Don’t despair.
Have Faith
Slappy commented:
Koreanneonkoan
March 18th, 2010 | 1:43 pm | #13
Listen up idiots: What the Self Executing Rule does is allow the House to basically pass both the Senate bill along with the reconciliation package at the same time. That’s it! That’s f(#$ing it!
Really? That simple, huh? Then why didn’t Pelosi propose to do that before Scott Brown won the special Senate election in Massachusetts? And why are some Democrats publicly criticizing the use of the Self Executing Rule then? More importantly, why not use this tactic for all legislation when the House and Senate bills differ, much less only for legislation that is going to permanently change everyone’s health care in the entire country as well as the relationship between citizens and the government? I think we can see who the idiot is based on your “reasoning” mixed in with the unprovoked sophomoric insults, the obscenities, and the excessive use of exclamation points.
BTW, I’m sure you would’ve looked at the Self Executing Rule as no big deal if Bush had used it to pass his proposed Social Security reform, right?
Ruth commented:
I called Chet Edwards office D-TX who said he had NOT voted on the Slaughter amendment and that “some blogger was posting wrong information”.
Are the democrats trying to fool fellow democrats as well as we the American people?
This seems very confusing. Something is very wrong in our country. Thanks for keeping us up to date on these strange goings on.
Ruth commented:
Looks like the Edwards office wasn’t especially honest. The Dems voted not to have to vote which paves the way for “deem and pass”.
I found on Drudge what this was about:
House Democrats nevertheless succeeded Thursday afternoon… The House voted 222 to 203 to shelve a Republican resolution that would have required a separate vote, which Democratic leaders want to avoid through a parliamentary maneuver known as deem and pass that would allow the Senate bill to be considered passed once lawmakers approved the package of fixes.
Thanks Gateway for making the weirdness of the Democrats more clear!
Militant Conservative commented:
powder is dry……………..for now,……. getting close to a hot war are we?
StrangernFiction commented:
#12 Aitch748
Spot Frigging On! If we don’t make this personal and start getting mean (you can be plenty mean w/o being violent), our America is GONE.
alwaysfiredup commented:
Ike Skelton is the problem. Vicky Hartzler is the solution. Donate today at http://www.vickyhartzler.com.
Paul N. Marston commented:
Chet Edwards’ office was right. This was not a vote on the Slaughter Rule itself. The Republicans offered a motion to bypass the Slaughter Rule that will be voted on this coming Sunday. It would have forced an up and down vote on the Senate Bill complete with its Cornhusker Kickback and Louisiana Purchase. That caused several Democrats to vote for this motion out of loyalty to their party. What is interesting is who voted against this motion and their own Party.
Adler, Arcuri, Boren, Bright, Carney, Childers, Cooper, Costello, Dahlkemper, Davis (AL), Giffords, Herseth Sandlin, Holden, Kosmas, Kratovil, Lipinski, McIntyre, McNerney, Melancon, Michaud, Minnick, Mitchell, Nye, Perriello, Schuler, Stupak, Taylor, and Teague voted against the rule.
The surprise came in who also voted against this motion and joined all of the Republicans present who were not listed as no votes. They are Cooper, Dahlkemper, Hall, Kosmas, Mitchell, Nye, and Perrielli. The two Arizona Democrats who are in tight re-election races, Gifford and Mitchell, suddenly voted with the Republicans when they are supposed to be yes votes. Perhaps they hope to point to this vote after voting for health care as saying they were against the health care bill before they were for it. Better yet they may have decided that voting for health care is political suicide in their districts, which it is.
Cooper is not vulnerable to losing his seat but he is from Tennessee where the Democrat version of health care reform is extremely unpopular. Hall from NY-19 is vulnerable and may be feeling the Republicans running against him breathing down his neck. These two were thought to be yes votes as well. Dahlkemper, Nye and Pierrello are undecideds and are in the list of Democrats who might be persuaded to vote no. All three are vulnerable. If these seven vote with the listed no votes, the health care bill dies.
Nahanni commented:
I told everyone back in August 2008 to invest in companies that make rope, tar, feathers, pitchforks and torches because I knew they would become popular items if the Corruptocrats “won” (*cough, ACORN, cough*).
Here is another investment tip-invest in companies that make guillotines. I think there may be a run on those soon.
Just Begun to Fight commented:
Here is another investment tip-invest in companies that make guillotines. I think there may be a run on those soon.
See? Keep your sense of humor. We’ll survive this. The entire nation is up in arms, and these cretins keep plowing ahead, too stupid to do anything else, and people are worried that they have some secret trick up their sleeves? No, they’re just morons.
It’s our turn to face tyranny, but it’s a much stupider tyranny than in Iran or Venezuela, for example, where they built up internal security apparatuses before they took over. We still have guns, a free press, and free elections. We can reverse everything this clown puts into place if we refuse to comply.
If ObamaCare passes, I think you’ll see passive resistance of the type we’ve read about in India during the British rule, for example. We’re going to see nationwide strikes, the withholding of taxes, and civil disobedience on a level we’ve never experienced.
Let’s make this an adventure. We’ll win in the end, because what the Dems have written up has no chance of ever functioning. The general public is simply smarter and more motivated than the government. Let’s turn it into a three-year party, at the end of which Obama gets tossed out on his rear end and we elect a president who will dismantle everything he put in place.
stu commented:
Hypothetical…the House “deems” the bill passed because they vote on the reconciliation bill. Reconciliation bill goes to Senate where it is changed. Technically the RECONCILIATION package would have to go back to the House. Couldn’t they just send the bill to the Pres for signature without the reconciliation stuff since the same bill passed the pre-Brown Senate and was deemed passed by the House??
S. Wolf commented:
Koreanneonkoan
Go execute yourself, then. Make it slow and painful.
sharprightturn commented:
Koreanneonkoan
March 18th, 2010 | 1:43 pm | #13
Listen up idiots: What the Self Executing Rule does is allow the House to basically pass both the Senate bill along with the reconciliation package at the same time. That’s it! That’s f(#$ing it!
You might like to know that the Self-Executing Rule has never been used to pass major legislation. (particularly something that takes over 1/6th of our economy and places it in the government’s hands)
This rule has NEVER been used to CHANGE the outcome of a vote that would have went the other way without passage.
Pelosi, Slaughter and Waxman signed onto a lawsuit in 2005 declaring the Self-Executing Rule as unconstitutional under Article I Section 7 of the Constitution. The hypocrites are now touting it to gain power and take away our freedoms.
If you support government-run healthcare and support passage of the contents of this bill, then you are anti-Freedom and anti-Constitutional.
I think you may need to take a long look in the mirror before calling anyone an idiot.