Candlelight Protest Tonight at Russ Carnahan's Office For the Victims of Obamacare
Posted by Jim Hoft on Sunday, March 21, 2010, 5:33 PM
UPDATE: I am attending this protest. I will report on this prayer vigil later tonight.
The St. Louis Tea Party Coalition will hold a candlelight protest tonight ouside Russ Carnahan’s office for the millions of elderly patients who will die under Obamacare. We will pray for the millions of unborn babies who will be slaughtered, using taxpayer money, under Obamacare.
We will pray for the souls who those who approved of this slaughter.
We will pray for the souls of those who lied to us about this atrocity.
We will pray for the suffering that lies ahead for all Americans.
We encourage you to attend.
The protest is planned at 7 PM tonight CST.
Check back for details.
Related… A survivor of the Nazi genocide begs America to abandon this looming disaster.
UPDATE: Here are details:
St Louis Patriots Will Meet at Russ Carnahan’s Office tonight at 7 PM CST.
Bring RED CANDLES to represent the Victims of Obamacare.
Please bring your own candles to the event.
We will pray for the victims of this atrocity.
Bring your umbrella.
His office is located at 8764 Manchester Road
St Louis, MO 63144
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Non-surrender Monkey commented:
See? The real fight is just beginning. The provisions of the bill and the way the Democrats passed it have already doomed it.
There’s no effective PR against what the pro-life movement will do for the next eight months.
Take heart. We will win in the end. Think of the brave Romanians, who had nothing but courage.
It was enough.
Pat the First commented:
B.O. promised Stupak that abortion won’t be covered under this bill, doncha know? Stupak must be a dumb as a rock to believe anything B.O. says.
myna commented:
Time to VOTE OUT the leeches and don’t let these suckers siphon taxpayers money in their coffer. Get ready to VOTE OUT all your democrats representatives November 2010.
Brad commented:
Thank you Bart Stupak… God forgive you.
Warren Bonesteel commented:
When are people going to admit that The Constitution is no longer in effect and that our options are limited?
Andrew commented:
Bart Stupak=Frog
Barack Hussein Obama=Scorpion
dnb commented:
If any of the pro-life democrats are Catholics, where are their pastors, their bishops, the Catholic church? This deception is beyond imagination for anyone who professes an active and real faith. Excommunicate them all.
wow commented:
This is the person running against Stupak… from Hot Air blog: We should help out…..
This is the cat running against Stupak:
Dan Benishek
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=287806148754&ref=share
We need to make this guy’s day!!
gary4205 on March 21, 2010 at 4:27 PM
Kenny Solomon commented:
I don’t and won’t ask for God’s forgiveness on any of these usurpers. None of them…… House and senate.
And I’m not sorry about my sentiments either.
My parents are in a nursing home – together. Anything untoward happens to them – denied care – denied anything because of this administration and government, then it’s on….. You’ll see me make a news cycle…. guaranteed.
This one piece of legislation is about a government run amok – deciding who lives and dies….. deciding for an entire nation what can be eaten…. deciding who goes to school where and when and learns only whatever the government says is ‘proper’ — it eliminates States’ Rights almost completely.
Did anyone bring up the complete unconstitutionality of all these mandates……. why ? Because they’re all part of the problem.
If this isn’t immediately flipped as unconstitutional through SCOTUS, then there’s a serious problem with understanding of the rule of law vs the rule of men…….. Right now, thank God SCOTUS is 5-4…… I shudder to think what will happen when it’s not.
I also don’t put it past this administration to see to it that some of the SCOTUS members have ‘accidents’.
When in the course of human events……… the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
down with dems commented:
I’ll be crossing my fingers that a few yes-voting Dems have conveniently timed heart attacks before the big vote. That’s better than they deserve, and much less brutal than the taxpayer funded abortion of hundreds of thousands of would-be American citizens.
Revolution is coming.
Pat the First commented:
Stupak really thinks that the Executive Order means something. What an idiot! He needs voted out simply because he is stupid.
Andreas K. commented:
Can’t wait to see the faces of those Americans, who support this nonsense, when the health care system goes down the sewer like it does in the UK.
Then they’ll say “But we didn’t know!”
And then we’ll say “Yes, you did. It was all there.”
ogee commented:
Kenny Soloman #9
With all due respect if your were a woman your parents would not be in a nursing home. You’d have them home and be caring for them.
Urks me to see men bail on their parents. Now your parents are in grave danger and you are no longer in control.
jainphx commented:
Follow the money. We are being sold out by those taking their thirty pieces of silver. Those voting yes should not only be voted out, but be shunned when they get home. All of their bank accounts should be Audited.
jainphx commented:
Ogee that statement is foolish, seeing you don’t know the reasons. Don’t make a blanket statement from ignorance.
Sickofobama commented:
I live outside Denver and i am so angry and sad.
Our country has been stolen from us by people that hate her. Babies don’t matter to them. Old people don’t matter to them. Nobody matters to them except their “people.”
I sent Stupak an email to let him know he is just like the rest of the Democrats who love abortions.
People – the only way to fight this is by joining the Republican Party with the Tea Parties. Remember, the Republicans have stood strong (thus far anyway) against the healthcare takeover.
Do not let this be a repeat of a Ross Perot being thrown in so the Democrats keep control.
Pat the First commented:
ogee
March 21st, 2010 | 3:12 pm | #14
Sometimes more intensive nursing care is needed than you can give at home. Everyone needs to know where that point is. Not all parents can stay at their children’s home because they simply cannot care for them properly. I know . . . I saw it with my Mom’s Mother. She had to have 24-hour nursing care. There is no way she could get proper care at home.
Espresso Logic - The 6th Sense commented:
ogee
March 21st, 2010 | 3:12 pm | #14
Kenny Soloman #9
With all due respect if your were a woman your parents would not be in a nursing home. You’d have them home and be caring for them.
Urks me to see men bail on their parents. Now your parents are in grave danger and you are no longer in control.
Ogee, you are a f*cking idiot.
Pat the First commented:
Sickofobama
March 21st, 2010 | 3:20 pm | #17
I agree. A third party interference would be catastrophic.
Sickofobama commented:
ogee:
I am a woman and I had to put my mom in a home because she had early onset Alzheimers. Not everyone can take care of their parents at home.
And not all of us have children.
Ladue Pundit commented:
ogee, with all the respect you are due, please do not criticize Kenny Solomon when you don’t have the facts. Taking care of 2 elderly people is a big job and you don’t know what their conditions are.
By the way, it’s “irks.”
Kenny, I’m a Mark Martin fan and I’ll be praying for your folks.
Andreas K. commented:
Ogee
Do you even know how much work old people are once they reach a certain stage in their aging? Do have the slightest idea? Even just remotely?
As long as they’re somewhat mobile and can do many things themselves it’s not a problem. But health and mental abilities decline.
If they’re a classic nursing case, then they’re 24/7 work.
Oh yeah, as for the “if you were a woman you’d” part…
1) that’s totally sexist
2) if you really believe that then you don’t know much about humans. My own grandmother was deported into a nursing home by my aunt, who wanted the “old hag” out of the house. And that aunt calls herself a Christian, too. Runs to church all the time.
Man, woman, doesn’t matter. Some people are simply this: a**holes.
Pat the First commented:
Santorum just said with Greta that there is a provision in this bill that uses Social Security revenue. The parlimentarian has been trying to get with the Dem leadership to talk to them about it because it invalidates the entire bill. There was a law in the 1970s that Social Security revenue cannot be used for any other purpose. He said that the bill is dead even if they try passing it.
Very interesting.
koreanneonkoan commented:
May I ask what your reactions will be when your paranoid fantasies don’t actually come to pass? I’m just curious.
Petrakore commented:
Every adult American was supposed to be a homeowner whether they could truly afford one or not. How did that work out for all of us?
Sure, I’ve always wanted a Lamborghini. But I can’t afford one. According to what the dems are always shamelessly promulgating, I should have the right to possess one even if I am unable to or unwilling to set up my life to afford one on my own. To be fair, every single American citizen and illegal alien should have a Lamborghini too. I have the right to demand the government give me a Lamborghini paid for with taxpayer funding.
Upon passing the “Everyone Gets a Lamborghini Bill”, the next bill to be passed should be:
“Everyone Gets a Swimming Pool”.
Where does this crazy me-me-me-me madness end???!!!! God save us all.
opaobie commented:
As tempting as it would be, no “Roman Candles“, please.
Ladue Pundit commented:
Pat the First, thanks for the update. I do not have cable.
I went to the Carnahan protest yesterday. Huge turnout. Same place tonight, all. I think the rain has stopped.
Pat the First commented:
koreanneonkoan
March 21st, 2010 | 3:33 pm | #25
May I ask what your reactions will be when your paranoid fantasies don’t actually come to pass? I’m just curious.
Obviously most of us are smarter than you since we don’t believe whatever comes out of the mouth of B.O., Prince Harry or San Fran Nan. Too bad for you.
Pat the First commented:
B.O.’s Executive Order is worthless. It cannot trump anything that the Congress passes. So, if the Senate bill becomes law, the EO that Stupak fell for is worthless.
opaobie commented:
Follow the Updates on the Republican Senate Leader Board . The Senate Dems have refused for two days to meet with Senate Republicans and the Senate Parliamentarian to discuss this potential “fix” killer. They want the bill voted on in the House first…wonder why? Maybe so it can go straight to Obama for signature, perhaps?
Sucker Stupak and his Stooges are Scre**D…(note the capital “D”…so trolls will know I associate it with Democrats…gotta explain everything to Democrat Trolls)….
wow commented:
Dr. Dan Benishek is running against Stupak… he’s getting 30+ friend requests per second since Stupak announced he would vote yes…. Look for him on facebook.
Update: Commenters are already talking up Dan Benishek, Stupak’s opponent in November. He won the last general election in his district by 30 points, but this race ain’t the last race, needless to say.
Pat the First commented:
DON STEWART, McCONNELL SPOKESMAN: “Republicans have been trying to set up a meeting with Senate Democrats since yesterday to discuss this fatal point of order but have been met with nothing but silence. We suspect Democrats are slow walking us so as to have the House vote first. Since Senate Democrats refuse to meet with us and the Parliamentarian, we’ve informed our colleagues in the House that we believe the bill they’re now considering violates the clear language of Section 310g of the Congressional Budget Act, and the entire reconciliation bill is subject to a point of order and rejection in the Senate should it pass the House.”
Opabie, this is what Santorum was talking about with Greta. He said that my leaving this part about using Social Security revenue as an offset invalidates the entire bill. The Dems aren’t even listening to the Parlimentarian.
Kenny Solomon commented:
Ogee (and anyone else)…..
I honestly don’t care if you believe me or not, but………….
I took care of both of my parents for over three years 24/7/365 except for the hours I was at my day job.
Believe it or not, my day job was then and still is a way for me to relax, even though it’s almost 100% physical. I help protect kids – installing surveillance systems, access controls and other things in schools and other facilities – some blackbox too
The hours I wasn’t home (work and shopping), I paid someone to be there – a nurse-assistant. An absolute gem named Olivia – God bless that woman and her family. I don’t know how she does it, even though she gets paid to do so.
Monetarily, it took all my salary, and much of my parents’ fixed income. I’d do that again in a second – the money meant and means nothing. All I knew is that they were being cared for quite well.
My dad developed Dementia over three years ago due to twin subdural hematomas and hemorrages not involving any trauma (no fall, etc). He no longer can walk or bear his own weight, can’t form a coherent sentence of more than a dozen or so words at a time.
It was a three year slide to the current point.
He still knows me and the staff at the home by name… and of course my mom……
…..who is in the same room with him at the home for the past year now.
Mom is very frail, can barely stand and walk – it’s age, nothing more. Her mental facilities are slipping over the past two years (started about a year before she went into the home). Diagnosed with mild Dementia, knee problems and a few other things that come with age.
I am not the type to hide or be ashamed or care what people think of me for what I’ve done or do……
For three solid years I took care of my parents physical needs…… It was as if I had two very young children of my own with no experience to care for them. but I did it…. learning every day.
Mom was actually easy—— 5’2,” ’bout 125 pounds….. kind of like lifting some stuff at my day job. Had to help her get in and out of bed, in and out of chairs, bathroom, etc. She could get around with an escort, but not by herself.
My dad, a WWII combat veteran, on the other hand, is about my size 6’1″, 225 (I’m 6’3″, 220) and lifting him from the bed to the wheelchair to the toilet to the living room sofa or a chair in the den or kitchen and back and forth was a bit of a challenge, but we did it – some of the time, together when he was able to coordinate his legs.
We both had a really good laugh once when I was trying to help him walk – one of the last times he did actually – he leaned the wrong way with one step and did a perfect two-point sit-down on the sofa….. and with my momentum, I dropped on his lap both of us facing the television with a Yankee game going – which is where we were going – to the living room to watch the game…… this was right in front of mom though….. she didn’t laugh.
About a week after that, all of a sudden one afternoon, Dad couldn’t even help me help him up off the toilet. I called the EMT’s and that was about it…… hospital for 5 days, pacemaker, stent in one leg, rehab to the nursing home and that’s where he is to this day.
The care and therapy he receives are top rate.
Mom as well…… she went in 6 months to the day after him. truthfully, I’m surprised it took that long. They’ve been married for 63 years and are almost as one person.
I ‘hope’ that cleared up the little bit of ‘change’ my family went through.
Oh yeah. My brothers and sisters couldn’t help….. I don’t have any. I’m an only child. The rest of my family has their own problems and I didn’t want to bother or burden them.
Just a thought…….. If you’re ever in South Florida, look me up. I’m not anonymous on the net or anywhere else.
Would love to show you some photos of mom and dad and maybe even the vid of my mom when she was on the Letterman show. I’m not a fan of Letterman at all, but hey… my mom was on national TV once…. too cool.
By the way, if you like movies, you can thank my dad….. after WWII, he worked for 20th Century Fox and Technicolor until he retired – did most of the original out-of-the-camera negatives of all the movies done this side of the Mississippi for decades.
Cheers !
Kenny Solomon
DC Works For Us
http://www.dcworksforus.com
Non-surrender Monkey commented:
May I ask what your reactions will be when your paranoid fantasies don’t actually come to pass? I’m just curious.
Still don’t get it, do you? Good. It means your side will be utterly incapable of defending itself in the coming months. All you’ll do is dump snark and insults on us, which will–believe it or not–harden the resolve of the electorate to toss your side out of power. Decisively.
* The health care debate has energized the conservative movement and awoken the sleeping giant, that is, the American people. The Democrats misinterpreted their electoral victories in 2006 and 2008 as a mandate for socialism. Now a majority of voters are intent on disabusing them of that misapprehension. Just about all of the political energy today is on the right–a remarkable fact, only sixteen months after the Democrats’ high-water mark in November 2008.
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2010/03/025892.php
opaobie commented:
Pat the First, just backing you up and offering additional realtime sourcing…you lived up to your screen name on this scoop.
Live Updates By Jon Ward – The Daily Caller from Capitol Hill in the race to reform
UPDATE 5:32 P.M. – Wanted to let the dust settle before I did this. It seems to me that Democrats have at least 218 votes. I know there are other estimates out there. But they began the day with 210 votes, needing 216. There were 16 undecideds, and 8 of them have come out in support of the bill. Here is the list of the Democrats who have said today they support the bill:
BRIAN BAIRD (WA)
KATHLEEN DAHLKEMPER (PA)
STEVE DRIEHAUS (OHIO)
MARCY KAPTUR (OHIO)
ALLAN MOLLOHAN (WV)
EARL POMEROY (ND)
NICK RAHALL (WV)
BART STUPAK (MI)
STILL UNDECIDED
MARION BERRY (ARK)
JERRY COSTELLO (IL)
PAUL KANJORSKI (PA)
DANIEL LIPINSKI (IL)
JOE DONNELLY (IND)
BREAKING 5:05 P.M. – President Obama will make a statement at the White House following the vote tonight, the White House just announced.
Final vote is expected to come, at this point, probably between 9 and 10 p.m. But it might turn out to be much later.
Pat the First commented:
Here is the list of the Democrats who have said today they support the bill:
BRIAN BAIRD (WA)
Of course, he will support the bill. The guy doesn’t have a backbone and just another weakling who can be bought off by unions. He has proven that over and over through his years in Congress.
ThinkingMan commented:
It’s amazing to me how somebody makes up some nonsense like “death panels” and so many people get wound up about it.
Pat the First commented:
ThinkingMan
March 21st, 2010 | 4:09 pm | #38
It’s amazing to me how somebody makes up some nonsense like “death panels” and so many people get wound up about it.
It is amazing to me how many people refuse to “think”, ThinkingMan.
newton commented:
“Kenny Solomon
March 21st, 2010 | 4:02 pm | #34 ”
I feel for you, man. You’re a good son. May God bless you.
Sickofobama commented:
ThinkingMan:
Ever heard of Dr. Death AKA Ezekiel Emanuel? He’s the brains behind the death panels and the brother of Obama’s consigliere Rahm Emanuel.
The death panels are not in the healthcare takeover bill. They are already in the Stimulus Bill.
From the American Thinker:
H.R. 1 (more commonly known as the Recovery and Reinvestment Act, even more commonly known as the Stimulus Bill and aptly dubbed the Porkulus Bill) contains a whopping $1.1 billion to fund the Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research. The Council is the brain child of former Health and Human Services Secretary Nominee Tom Daschle. Before the Porkulus Bill passed, Betsy McCaughey, former Lieutenant governor of New York, wrote in detail about the Council’s purpose.
Daschle’s stated purpose (and therefore President Obama’s purpose) for creating the Council is to empower an unelected bureaucracy to make the hard decisions about health care rationing that elected politicians are politically unable to make. The end result is to slow costly medical advancement and consumption. Daschle argues that Americans ought to be more like Europeans who passively accept “hopeless diagnoses.”
McCaughey goes on to explain:
Daschle says health-care reform “will not be pain free.” Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them.
Who is on the Council? One of its most prominent members is none other than Dr. Death himself Ezekiel Emanuel. Dr. Emanuel’s views on care of the elderly should frighten anyone who is or ever plans on being old. He explains the logic behind his discriminatory views on elderly care as follows:
Unlike allocation by sex or race, allocation by age is not invidious discrimination; every person lives through different life stages rather than being a single age. Even if 25-year-olds receive priority over 65-year-olds, everyone who is 65 years now was previously 25 years.
Sickofobama commented:
ThinkingMan:
(continued)
On average 25-year-olds require very few medical services. If they are to get the lion’s share of the treatment, then those 65 and over can expect very little care. Dr. Emanuel’s views on saving money on medical care are simple: don’t provide any medical care. The loosely worded provisions in H.R 1 give him and his Council increasing power to push such recommendations.
Similarly hazy language will no doubt be used in the health care bill. What may pass as a 1,000 page health care law will explode into perhaps many thousands of pages of regulatory codes. The deliberate vagueness will give regulators tremendous leverage to interpret its provisions. Thus Obama’s Regulatory Czar Cass Sunstein will play a major role in defining the government’s role in controlling medical care.
How does Sunstein approach end of life care? In 2003 he wrote a paper for the AEI-Brookings Joint Center for Regulatory Studies arguing that human life varies in value. Specifically he champions statistical methods that give preference to what the government rates as “quality-adjusted life years.” Meaning, the government decides whether a person’s life is worth living. If the government decides the life is not worth living, it is the individual’s duty to die to free up welfare payments for the young and productive.
Ultimately it was Obama himself, in answer to a question on his ABC News infomercial, who said that payment determination cannot be influenced by a person’s spirit and “that at least we (the Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research) can let doctors know and your mom know that…this isn’t going to help. Maybe you’re better off not having the surgery, but taking the painkiller.”
Maybe we should ask the Associated Press and New York Times if they still think we shouldn’t be concerned about a federal “death panel.”
ThinkingMan commented:
I’m sorry… were you all under the impression that private insurance companies aren’t currently making decisions about allocation of health care benefits? Do you like being in the hands of a for-profit corporation whose sole reason for existing is to take money out of your pocket and give it to shareholders?
newton commented:
Hey, “Thinking” Man,
The day my grandmother is denied care and left to die because she’s 97 years old and my 76-year-old mother suffers the same fate, I will think of all those idiots that caused this… like YOU…
I will never forgive or forget the Democrats for what they’ve done to us. That’s it.
Espresso Logic - The 6th Sense commented:
ThinkingMan
March 21st, 2010 | 4:26 pm | #43
I’m sorry… were you all under the impression that private insurance companies aren’t currently making decisions about allocation of health care benefits? Do you like being in the hands of a for-profit corporation whose sole reason for existing is to take money out of your pocket and give it to shareholders?
Hey Troll – Go take a flying f*ck on a rolling donut.
Pat the First commented:
ThinkingMan
March 21st, 2010 | 4:26 pm | #43
The amazing thing is that I have never heard of anyone who needed lifesaving treatment not getting it. It gets done.
Oh, I take that back . . . euthanasia is allowed in Oregon so there was lifesaving treatment disallowed for citizens there. The state-run health insurance disallowed treatment for one woman but offered to reimburse for euthanasia pills so she could kill herself.
TruthSeeker commented:
God only asks for 10%. How much will the United Socialists of America demand?
Pat the First commented:
TruthSeeker
March 21st, 2010 | 4:45 pm | #47
God only asks for 10%. How much will the United Socialists of America demand?
Somewhere north of 50% by the time it all ends with us no longer existing.
Non-surrender Monkey commented:
I’m sorry… were you all under the impression that private insurance companies aren’t currently making decisions about allocation of health care benefits? Do you like being in the hands of a for-profit corporation whose sole reason for existing is to take money out of your pocket and give it to shareholders?
I’d much rather have government bureaucrats make my decisions for me. After all, look at the terrific job they did with Cash for Clunkers, HAMP, TARP, the “stimulus,” and so on.
Government always knows best.
Andreas K. commented:
koreanneonkoan
March 21st, 2010 | 3:33 pm | #25
May I ask what your reactions will be when your paranoid fantasies don’t actually come to pass? I’m just curious.
Funny that you mention this, because I see those “paranoid fantasies”, as you call them, every time I enter a public hospital in Austria, Germany or the UK.
I’ve been to hospitals in those countries. I’ve seen veterinary clinics in Germany better staffed and equipped than public hospitals in the UK. I’m a “regular customer” at our nationalized public hospitals here in Vienna, simply because I tend to bring them patients every now and then (since I’m a voluntary paramedic.) I have the rotten luck that, whenever I’m in Germany or the UK, I’m near an accident and thus I know their hospitals quite well.
Paranoid fantasies?
Kiddo, the system Obama has been pitching is falling apart in Europe. I see people, those who can afford it, flock to private insurances because the nationalized stuff is simply crap. The NHS in the UK is the biggest company in the country, yet, since they’re extremely top heavy, overly expensive and generally in no decent condition, people have to wait for cancer surgeries there. Waiting lists in extreme life or death situations. Why not take the people out back and shoot them in the head? Faster and cheaper. Germany had to rise the monthly pay that working people have to make for nationalized health care, otherwise the system would have collapsed (cause apparently that one third of the annual German budget that goes into the welfare and social state isn’t enough!) In Austria, well, our nationalized health insurances are bankrupt (and our economy is stronger than the German), our wards (especially internal medicine) have so called “corridor beds” due to severe lack of space, and we’re also lacking nurses (massively, a lot of Filipina nurses came to Austria in the past, but now Japan has opened the doors for these women to work in Japan, where will they go? Japan of course. Better pay, lower taxes and closer to home.)
Mind you, private hospitals here don’t have those issues. Strange, no?
Kenny Solomon commented:
I should stay out of the ThinkingMan fray.
However, I said ‘anyone’, so the offer stands.
C’mon down. If the timing’s right, we’ll go to the home together and you can meet my folks.
My one question to you is as follows:
God forbid you become disabled, at no fault of your own whatsoever….. I honestly hope that never happens, but let’s just say it does.
You’re in the hospital for about two weeks.
You’re told that due to your injuries, you probably can’t work anymore, at least doing what you did. But being something like a greeter at WallyWorld could be OK, as long as you don’t have to stand up.
You also are told that you’re gonna need help at home….. maybe not 24/7, but you’ll need some assistance.
You’re about 40 years old. Not much cash in the bank, married, two young kids. Wife doesn’t work – stays home to take care of the little ones.
Out of the blue, the day before you’re set to be discharged from hospital, a pair of government agents come into your room, identify themselves and go into something to the effect of…………
‘ThinkingMan, using the formulation within the Department of Health’s Planned Human Value For Growth Parameters, you are projected to cost the nation ‘x’ amount of dollars per day over and above the allotted amount permitted by law. You have a few choices: 1. Go without ‘y’ and ‘z’ services in perpetuity, even though the medical staff deemed and passed you for those services and be covered for the rest. 2. Pay for those ‘y’ and ‘z’ services out of pocket. 3. Pay for those services through a government loan, but that loan must be guaranteed by a family member for repayment. 4. Sell your residence and move in with a family member who is willing to assist you. 5. Sell your residence and become a ward of the State for care – at a level quite possibly not what you were deemed and passed for. 6. Terminate.
Since you’re being discharged tomorrow at noon, you have until 11am tomorrow to let us know your choice. We’ll be back then.’
You respond….. ‘But I have a wife and kids……’
They reply….. If they’re willing to take care of you, fine. However, their productive value to the nation decreases and along with that, their health care coverage as well.’
What do you do ?
Because that’s exactly what’s coming.
Andreas K. commented:
Kenny, that you actually tried to do this, and we that far, that alone deserves respect. A lot of people wouldn’t have the will to do this for even a day. It’s one hell of a job to do.
I trained as a nurse for two years. I spent parts of my practical training in a nursing home. Two actually, one run by the government, the other private. In the government one, when I had nightshift, the three of us (two trained nurses and me the trainee) started to wash the patients because otherwise dayshift wouldn’t have been able to finish the job. We had roughly 40 patients, most of them confined to their beds, due to massively declining health and most in large rooms of 6 to 8 patients (zero privacy.) In my time there, we had three MRSA outbreaks in our building alone. The building, well, that went back to old imperial Austria, more than 100 years old. The hospital where I trained was the same. Old buildings, bad infrastructure. But such hospitals and nursing homes are kept running somehow, because… the whole system eats up that much money, that actually building a bunch of new hospitals isn’t possible.
The private nursing home was like a different world. Lots of staff, even at night, good equipment (state of the art), lovely rooms (for two people max.) The building was new, great infractructure.
Private vs nationalized is like night and day.
Kenny Solomon commented:
God Bless You, Andreas.
If you’re ever down here in South Florida, ring me up.
Drinks on me. A toast to what was, to say the least.
KLS
Andreas K. commented:
“we that far” should read “went that far”. Problem is: I think it, but I don’t type it, my fingers are too slow for my brain.
averagemelon commented:
I’m sorry… were you all under the impression that private insurance companies aren’t currently making decisions about allocation of health care benefits? Do you like being in the hands of a for-profit corporation whose sole reason for existing is to take money out of your pocket and give it to shareholders?
Funny thing is, I don’t HAVE to get any damn insurance AT ALL if I don’t want it. If I need to go to the hospital for service, I simply PAY THE DAMN BILL MYSELF. What a fricking concept! I am not “controlled” by a corporation because I CHOOSE not to give it money. Do you honestly think the insurance companies are going to go out of business now that we are REQUIRED to buy from them?? You are an idiot! IT’S NOT ABOUT INSURANCE OR HEALTH CARE. IT’S ABOUT POWER!!!!
Democratssuk commented:
All true Americans should fly the American flag upside down until we take our country back in November. Every flag sticker on your car, upside down. Have the American flag embroidered upside down on your cap. It is not disrespectful, it is the distress symbol.
Andreas K. commented:
Kenny Solomon
March 21st, 2010 | 5:21 pm | #53
God Bless You, Andreas.
If you’re ever down here in South Florida, ring me up.
Drinks on me. A toast to what was, to say the least.
KLS
After 2012 the US are finally a proper destination again. I’m not going to set foot into the country as long as the commie sits in the WH.
Appreciate it Kenny, but -don’t get me wrong now- if god exists, he/she/it has better things to do than blessing an infidel like me
It’s funny though. This “helping” thing runs in my mother’s side of the family. My uncle was a paramedic as well. My great-granduncle was with the mountain rescue for decades. My mother trained as nurse. My great-grandmother saved the life of a young soldiers at the end of the war and maybe the lives of several Soviet POWs during the war. I’m very proud of that little woman. Ironically, that side of the family are socialists and communists (but the sort that wouldn’t put party ideology above humanity.) My father’s side, that’s where the “Christians” are, well, they’re the ones who threatened my parents with police and lawyers so that they would stay away from my grandmother. Yep, my father’s brothers both threatened my father with the police to keep him away from his mother. We don’t even know whether my grandmother is still alive or not. They don’t talk with us anymore, because my parents dared to try and improve my grandmother’s life (Altzheimer, Parkinson, etc, she really picked up everything old people can get.) Lovely “Christians”, eh?
So, now I’m sitting here with this nice bottle of French red wine (one of the few things I like from France) and… a toast to great people like you Kenny, like Jim, like bg, like Pat the First, like Chip, like AuntieMadder and all the others who I can’t remember right now. Thinking of “true Americans” as in people who would represent what the US of A stands for, well, that would be you folks.
To freedom. To you folks. And to the the land of the free, home of the brave.
averagemelon commented:
Home of the brave is gonna come first for a time in that sentence, Andreas.
Andreas K. commented:
averagemelon
March 21st, 2010 | 5:52 pm | #58
Home of the brave is gonna come first for a time in that sentence, Andreas.
To that I raise my glass once more.
Warning: if I start rambling you all know I’m becoming tipsy. Just warning you in advance.
Maureen Mullarkey commented:
It is not our place to pray for forgiveness for those who would let the elderly die. Let the dead forgive their killers. Anything else is presumptuous and reeks of moral vanity.
Kenny Solomon commented:
Cheers Andreas……….. A bit of Famous Grouse here….. My ‘go to’ beverage of an adult nature.
I don’t hold your sentiments against you whatsoever. I have several friends in Scandinavia and The UK who are of the same mind.
One day, we’ll see you here, then the two of us head to St. Louis and take Mr. GP himself and his family out to dinner…….. Deal ?
I will fight these Marxist Jihadists to my dying breath and long after if possible.
Cheers !
KLS
Andreas K. commented:
That’s a deal Kenny
But let’s do it after I visited the places I want to visit in the US. Boston Harbor. Gettysburg. The Boneyard (yeah, I’m one of those people who think that a whole desert full of airplanes is better than sex.) Arlington. Philadelphia and the Liberty Bell. And yes, Pearl Harbor. And so on. I need to visit these places with a completely clear mind.
And yes, I’m the untypical tourist.
Warren Bonesteel commented:
Yes. Go ahead and pray.
But don’t pray for God or Jeez-uuus! to do something.
Pray for the strength and guidance for yourselves… to get up off your own dead, lazy, cowardly asses to do …something…besides pray and wail and gnash your teeth.
Kenny Solomon commented:
Andreas, when you get here, pop over in late April/early May and if you’re not planning on Flori-duh, Gettysburg PA will be a definite meet-up point for us. I’m up in PA every year at that time for a music festival.
It’s just been moved to Gettysburg (formerly held just outside of Philly). I haven’t been to Gettysburg in a bunch of years….. be good to see the place again.
Cheers !
J. P. Jones commented:
Pray for the strength and guidance for yourselves… to get up off your own dead, lazy, cowardly asses to do …something…besides pray and wail and gnash your teeth.
What an embarrassingly revealing comment. Somebody’s got mental-health issues for sure.
wow commented:
Kenny SolomonNo Gravatar
March 21st, 2010 | 4:02 pm | #34
Kenny you don’t have to explain anything to anyone. On that note, I know what you went through… and feel for you. Three years with my father-in-law and a lot longer with my mother-in-law. You did everything you could and then some and so did Olivia. It takes a special type of person to be that giving and both you and she are in that category.
noislamocommie commented:
It’s time for right-wing politicians to do “birther” talk non-stop.Use official status to get Dept. of Health Hawaii to release original docs and attend the Kerchner case dates en masse.
Warren Bonesteel commented:
J. P. Jones, a man of the Spirit of Christ, eh?
First, you’ve offered insult, instead of reason, understanding or knowledge. Your bible define
that as ‘wisdom.’
The warriors of the bible didn’t wear sackcloth and ashes. They didn’t wail and gnash their teeth. They didn’t pray for God to do something they could do themselves. They did pray for strength and guidance in accomplishing their tasks. …and where God led, they *followed.* You can’t follow anyone, anywhere until you get off your lazy ass. They didn’t sit around waiting for God to do all it for them.
So, yes, pray, but unless you’re an anointed Prophet of God, don’t want around for crows to deliver your meals. …and even the men in the bible who knew God would win the battle, put on their armor, grabbed their weapons, and headed for the battlefield. …which means they got off their lazy asses and did something besides pray.
Scott Jerome commented:
Politico reports “Histgry In Sight For Democrats”. It seems to be that this whole debacle is hinged upon the assumption that the Democratic Party will be able to control the narrative on down through the years in our nation’s future.
Never mind that clear majorities of Americans are opposed. The Democratic Party history books will correct that.
Never mind that the process was very ugly and was rammed through by a Democratic Party that has been overtaken by radical leftists. The history books will correct all that.
But what if it comes to pass that a different narrative prevails, that at the turn of the Millennium, a radicalized Democratic Party attempted to impose fascism?
That would be a game changer.
frank commented:
http://www.newsrealblog.com/2010/03/21/video-stupak-has-lied-about-healthcare-vote-all-along/
VIDEO PROOF THAT STUPAK LIED ALL ALONG ABOUT HIS “NO” VOTE! STUPAK’S POSTURING WAS A PACK OF LIES TO DECEIVE HIS VOTERS! SEND THIS VIDEO TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW…
Ladue Pundit commented:
IF this healthcare jihad is foisted upon us, remember the important thing the Dems have taught us:
No amount of protesting will work;
Huge crowds, jammed switchboards, and letters/faxes/e-mails can and will be ignored;
What the majority wants they will not have;
WHEN the Dems are out of power and Conservatives are in, remember all these things and focus on repealing everything they’ve done. How hard will it be to ignore 35% of voters? They ignored the majority.
J. P. Jones commented:
First, you’ve offered insult, instead of reason, understanding or knowledge.
Yes, I should’ve followed your lead and said something totally non-insulting, like “Pray for the strength and guidance for yourselves… to get up off your own dead, lazy, cowardly asses to do …something.”
My bad.
koreanneonkoan commented:
While most of the vitriol supplied against his bill is the result of ignorance and misinformation, my earlier comments were mainly focused at the crazies who were claiming that this is some initial step to canceling the next elections, or other idiocy.
Warren Bonesteel commented:
You haven’t read your bible, lately, have you John? Think about the Prophets and what they often had to say to a corrupt, decadent and lazy people?
Prayer, in your bible, is always – I repeat _ ALWAYS _ followed by an act of faith. Jesus prayed…then broke the bread… Joshua prayed, then led the army… David prayed…then attacked the giant… every where there’s a prayer,. it is followed by action, an act of faith.
Before the 4th of July in 1776, men prayed…and then signed their own death warrants by signing a Declaration. They prayed, then picked up their weapons and headed for the battlefield.
Americans often pray…and then sit around waiting for God to do it for them…or they wave a few candles around and then pray for God to do something, telling one another how much faith they have.
They’ve lost the will to pray…and then act on their faith.
J. P. Jones commented:
No offense, Warren, but you’re a nitwit. In case you haven’t heard, people are organizing all over the place. There’s this Tea Party thing you may have heard of?
If you’re trying to incite people to violence, you’re going to fail. People are indeed acting, so you can go peddle your weirdness somewhere else, okay?
Peggy commented:
I’ll be with you in spirit. Gotta get the little ones to bed.
Folks, if you have a chance–and nothing changes, Jerry Costello should be commended for his remaining NO. Either he is profoundly pro-life, or he realized that we in SO-IL are so, and he doesn’t dare cross us on that…Or he’s just glad they got to 216 without him…Whatever the cause, he did not cave as Stupak did. He may be the real ONLY Dem pro-lifer.
Alice N. Wunderland commented:
“While most of the vitriol supplied against his bill is the result of ignorance and misinformation[...]”
A comforting fantasy, to be sure. Keep telling yourself that. It’ll surely save your side from political annihilation in November.
TheScribbler commented:
My husband, 47 years old, died Wednesday from stress. Twenty eight years of marriage.
I put his death on Obama and his ilk. We’ve lost folks, the corruption is too deep. It’s been too blatant for way too long. These ‘people’ should have been in handcuffs way before now.
They can all rot for all I care.
ClassicFilm commented:
To The Scribbler – My sincere condolences to you for your loss.
Ladue Pundit commented:
This is a thread about a prayer vigil. Prayer, an act of Faith, is the first thing we should do.
There are many people whose entire contributions are entirely spiritual. Did you know that St. Therese of Liseaux was the Patroness of Foreign Missions? She never set foot on a mission, yet her daily prayers and devotions for missionaries merited her that title.
Bonesteel, please back off your attacks here. This is a Catholic site. Your comments are incorrect. Let’s work together as St. Paul says the parts of a body should.
P.S. Scribbler, may your husband rest in peace. You have my condolences.
Warren Bonesteel commented:
John, don’t be a tool. Yer attempting to change the subject.
The issue is about people who go to protests and hold signs and candles and ‘pray,’ but who otherwise do little else but pray.
Do something besides pray…and re-read Matthew 23, if you will.
Run for a local political office. Attend city council meetings. Go to The National Precinct Alliance and follow their instructions.
Don’t just pray. Don’t just sends cards and letters and emails to your elected representative. Don’t just wave signs about and smile at one another, believing that you have changed anything.
Pray, but then do something. Act on your supposed belief and upon your very public declarations of faith.
…for if you don’t act on your faith, your own Savior has already condemned you as a Pharisee.
been there did that commented:
Taking care of an elderly aged fraile 100 yr old bed ridden, amputee-family member full time is exhausting-exhausting, not to mention the toll if takes on the your own health and freedom, if you have an opportunity to have “a nursing home care at home health aide, and a nursing supervisor over that aide, you must do what they say”, or you will have that family member placed into a nursing home, at the request of the Nurse, what if you have no help and no one cares not even other relatives, who wouldn’t even babysit granny, for a few hours? so you could get a nap?
You must do all the work when that aide doesn’t show up for work, you get no replacement, you must do it 24/7. When do you get to shop, take care of yourself, eat, or even sleep? oh yeah, she had insurance.
What if your insurance dropped you after you worked for 14 years, and paid for it, or were a self payer and you needed that care? What do you have to say now? What if it was your grandchild? other family members, next door neighbor, your neighbors child?
Your great grandchild-ten years from now?
Are you going to protest outside the insurance company-who barely knows you exist-except to get your monthly premium, and all you get is to suffer with your illness, you might have to borrow, beg, use credit cards for your care-how could you ever afford to pay for catastrophic illness care on a low to middle income? is your credit that high?
it seems that some have no sympathy except for the dog at an animal shelter over the “human being”.
Let’s all try to get along, try and watch Michel Moore’s, “Sicko”. A man had his insurance company tell him hey you get only one finger fixed after you just lost two, which one do you want sewn back on? you wedding ring finger or the other one?
just my comments no harshness intended. following all sides of the health care story.