Top Dem Says House Will Pass Obamacare With More Votes the 2nd Time Around
Posted by Jim Hoft on Monday, February 22, 2010, 12:06 PM
Top Democrat House Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-S.C.) said that Obamacare will pass with more democratic votes the second time around.
The Hill reported:
The House will pass a new healthcare reform bill with a larger majority than it did on its first bill, House Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-S.C.) said Monday.
Clyburn made his comments just after President Barack Obama unveiled his detailed health plan Monday morning. The move was intended to set the agenda for the bipartisan healthcare summit at the White House on Thursday.
“I do believe that if what I have seen and what I’ve been hearing is close to being accurate, I do believe that we can get there in the House,” he said on MSNBC. “We got there with some people holding out for some things that we have now gotten in the Senate plan and in the president’s proposal.
“I do believe there is more fertile soil today than when we first took this up.”
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) issued a cool statement about the plan earlier Monday, but Clyburn’s comments could indicate that the president’s proposal could make a vote on the Senate healthcare bill easier to stomach for wary House members.
Only 28% of Americans support Clyburn and the fellow Congressional democrat’s position. 61% want Congress to scrap the bill and start all over.
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Bill Mitchell commented:
I refuse to believe that Congressional Democrats will simply rush over the cliff and end their careers just for Obamacare.
All claims that “we have the votes” are just so much bluster and attempt to create self-fulfilling prophecy.
The other possibility is that they realize they have terminal political cancer and have only till November to live anyway, so they might as well buy the Ferrari and hit the wall going 225 mph than die slowly.
Logus commented:
If at first you don’t succeed, try, try again… never mind what your constituency want. We’re dumb after all. Leave it to mama gubment.
olm commented:
I don’t believe it.
Olliander commented:
Given that the Kornhusker Kickback is rescinded, I guess you can count Ben Nelson out. Who’s stepping up to the plate? Evan Bayh?
J commented:
If they have been shown that they will all get more money, get more power, and will finally be able to show us and the world that the USA is now RULED, not governed by elected officials, they will pass the healthcare bill.
bill-tb commented:
Well what are they waiting for?
Make our day. How does “repeal the bill” sound as a national campaign slogan.
Or “Put America back to work, fire the Democrats”.
Opus #6 commented:
Per Dick Morris:
If you live in any of the states from which these swing Congressmen come, please call them. Let them know your opposition to health care changes. The phone for Congress is 202 224 3121. Here’s the list:
Vulnerable Democratic Congressmen Who Voted FOR Obamacare The First Time Around
These are the folks we need to pressure to switch their votes!
Arizona:
Harry Mitchell (Phoenix suburbs)
Gabrielle Giffords (Tucson)
Ann Kirkpatrick (most of rural Arizona, NE part of state)
California:
Jerry McNerney (Stockton and Pleasanton)
Colorado:
John Salazar (Pueblo)
Connecticut:
Jim Hines (Fairfield County)
Florida:
Alan Grayson (Orlando)
Illinois:
Bill Foster (Dixon, Batavia, and Geneseo)
Indiana:
Baron Hill (from Kentucky border up to Bloomington)
Michigan:
Mark Schauer (Branch, Calhoun, Eaton, Hillsdale, Jackson, Lenawee & Washtenaw counties)
Gary Peters (Oakland County)
Nevada:
Dina Titus (Las Vegas)
New Hampshire:
Carol Shea-Porter (Portsmouth, Manchester, Lakes Region)
New York:
Tim Bishop (Suffolk County)
John Hall (Northern Westchester)
Bill Owens (Plattsburgh up along Vermont border to Canada)
Mike Arcuri (Utica and south central NY)
Dan Maffei (Syracuse)
North Dakota:
Earl Pomneroy (at large)
Ohio:
Steven Driehaus (Cincinnati west to Indiana border)
Mary Jo Kilroy (Columbus and west to Indiana border)
Zach Space (Dover, Zanesville, Chillicothe)
Pennsylvania:
Kathy Dahlkemper (Erie)
Patrick Murphy (Bucks County)
Christopher Carney (NE Penn)
Paul Kanjorski (Scranton, Wilkes-Barre)
South Carolina:
John Spratt (rural SC between Columbia and Charlotte)
Virginia:
Tom Perriello (Charlottesville, Bedford, Timberlake, Martinsville & Danville)
West Virginia:
Alan Mollohan (Wheeling, Morgantown)
Nick Rahall (Huntington)
Wisconsin:
Steve Kagen (Green Bay)
Let’s get busy to save health care in America!
Karen commented:
In the president’s plan, there’s no public option and they’ve upped the mandate penatly from 2% to 2.5% of annual income — the real “progressives” are livid. I’ll be surprised if this passes and if it does…well I think Washington will have severe problems.
Jana commented:
This strikes me as bluster.
dfbaskwill commented:
Call their bluff. Insist on starting over completely. Call the Dems “obstructionists of American freedom”. The worst case scenario is the biggest campaign platform of all time. (“Rescind Obamacare”)
Matt Helm commented:
The other possibility is that they realize they have terminal political cancer and have only till November to live anyway, so they might as well buy the Ferrari and hit the wall going 225 mph than die slowly.
That’s actually not an unlikely possibility. I think we should count any of those who have already announced their retirements as “yes” votes. They don’t have anything to worry about now as far as their constituents are concerned, so, for them, this is a giant FU to the voters in their state/district. As for the others in vulnerable seats–let’s see if any of them decide to retire. If so, then we can most likely put them in the “yes” category. Some have been promised golden parachutes. Others are motivated purely by ideology–they’re going to do this because they “know” best, or as I said earlier, they’re doing it to give the finger to their voters.
shibumi commented:
Thanks for the info Opus #6, that is a great idea!
Cargosquid commented:
“In the president’s plan, there’s no public option and they’ve upped the mandate penatly from 2% to 2.5% of annual income — the real “progressives” are livid. I’ll be surprised if this passes and if it does…well I think Washington will have severe problems.”
Hmmm, I have no income. I’m unemployed.
As to the Dem’s not listening to their constituents because they think the voters are dumb……THEIR voters are dumb. They voted for the idiot Democrats.
gus commented:
Clyburn is a fool. If he wasn’t black he’d still be a High School teacher.
Jim commented:
They don’t have the votes yet……….they are desperately trying to get some momentum here to turn no’s into yes votes.
gus commented:
Jim, they are counting on a bumb after the circus. There will be none. Those on Obama’s side are on Obama’s side. He will gain no more.
Joanne commented:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/02/20/earlyshow/saturday/main6226369.shtml
It seems the Obama’s have their own personal trainer who flies in once a week to help them keep in shape, especially Michelle – at $2,000 a return flight, plus fees, it is costing Americans $250,000 to keep the first lady’s butt under control.
Joanne commented:
At #18, those are the rough numbers from theobamafile.com link.
Estragon commented:
Clyburn is the Majority Whip – he HAS to say that. If he of all people expressed any doubts, there is no way they could hold the caucus together.
There are still 50 Democrats whose districts were won by Bush and McCain. Having seen what happened in Virginia, but especially in deep blue New Jersey and Massachusetts, those with any desire to keep their seats will find a way to vote against this monstrosity.
As odd as it is that Obama finally presents “his” bill as only an 11-page summary with no way to independently check his numbers, I seem to remember the stimulus was packaged essentially the same way – no time for details, just sign here and we’ll fill in the fine print later.
Bill Mitchell commented:
Is this the equivalent of Saddam setting all the oil wells on fire as he left Kuwait?
pagar commented:
“it is costing Americans $250,000 to keep the first lady’s butt under control.”
And they want to cut the amount of money Medicare doctors can earn.
This is insane!
kansas commented:
If Clyburn is as stupid as he comes across on television, then what he says doesn’t mean jack squat.
pm commented:
Just heard Scott Brown crossed party lines – voted with Dems on Jobs bill, I think…other republicans did too.
Finncrisp commented:
Let me get this straight. Barry announced still another unipartisan plan just before the meeting to decide what to do about healthcare to avoid another unipartisan plan, huh?
This guarantees another (really the same) unipartisan plan that the American public has overwhelmingly rejected.
Why would an already rejected plan get more votes on the “left over” lap around the track? The logic escapes me. No one wants seconds….
AnnS commented:
From Grassfire Nation:
With the final push for ObamaCare underway, the radical MoveOn.org and progressive organizations like Health Care for America (HCAN), and Service Employees International Union (SEIU) are uniting on February 24 – the day before the President’s Health Care Summit to “deliver to Washington D.C., a scream they will never, ever forget.”
According to their site, their 1 Million Voices for Healthcare Reform: A Virtual March on Washington, will include “calls, faxes, Tweets, Facebook, emails, telegrams, balloon drops
and carrier pigeons. Whatever, it takes.”
And that’s not all…
Obama’s own organization, the one he relied so heavily upon to get elected, and renamed shortly after he arrived at the White House, Organizing for America (OFA) is calling for its volunteers to pledge 5 million hours to support members of Congress and candidates who fight for real health reform!
According to their site, they already have 4 million volunteer hours!
pm commented:
Will they get away with this too:
http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2010/02/22/white-house-has-violated-federal-election-law/
Ladue Pundit commented:
According to their site, their 1 Million Voices for Healthcare Reform: A Virtual March on Washington, will include “calls, faxes, Tweets, Facebook, emails, telegrams, balloon drops
and carrier pigeons. Whatever, it takes.”
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Don’t get too worried about this. They recruited >300 kids from our local high school and most cannot vote.
November’s shaping up to be a bloodbath. If Carnahan’s district (formerly Dick Gephardt’s) goes Republican, I will go on a 3 day drunk.
Espresso Logic - The 6th Sense commented:
kansas
February 22nd, 2010 | 4:48 pm | #25
If Clyburn is as stupid as he comes across on television, then what he says doesn’t mean jack squat.
Clyburn is more stupid than he appears on TV. You can take that to the bank.
Old One commented:
Melt the phone lines to your congresscritters and senators both in the District of Corruption and in your state. Diane Frankenstein’s offices in California seem to be not answering calls with stafholes and avoiding angry voters by using the leave a message which automatically erases.
As a fifth generation Republican voter and activist I decided I should call Mc Comnnell’s office in DC and one in Kentucky to tell him to grow a spine and really fight B+ Odumber.
wanumba commented:
So, after debating two bills that no one had been given a chance to read, the US public is going to get actually another bill that is even worse in all ways than the predecessors.
How much money has been wasted on this Senate/Congressional/White House charade?
It’s all about controlling the population, not about improving poeple’s health care, and has always been about that.
Obama seems exceptionally adept at spending grotesque amounts of other people’s money with every move he makes, politically, personally. Even this drawn-out political dance is costing a fortune. His meals cost a fortune, his parties cost a fortune, his travel costs a fortune, his vacation costs a fortune.
He WILL achieve American bankruptcy. “Working as planned.”
Militant Conservative commented:
Go ahead and show us your contempt for the rule of law and the will of the governed. If you do this be prepared for open civil disobediance boardering on and including violence. We know where the cancer is.
powder is dry.
ar05075 commented:
All of the clowns who know they’re not getting re-elected will be voting for it, the bribes they’ll receive will far out way what they’d get from the remainder of their-soon to be-non-existent careers as elected officials. This was the REAL purpose for porkulus and porkulus !!.
Georg Felis commented:
“I do believe there is more fertile soil today than when we first took this up.”
Well, yeah, thats what happens when the Dems use our money to spread the poo six feet deep.
Jennifer commented:
Obama reminds me of the scorned lover from Fatal Attraction. He just won’t let it go and keeps coming back with such a vengeance. I sincerely hope he finds himself unemployed in 2013.
Costa commented:
Devine Guidance Please!!!!
wanumba commented:
Joanne
February 22nd, 2010 | 3:59 pm | #18
It seems the Obama’s have their own personal trainer who flies in once a week to help them keep in shape, especially Michelle – at $2,000 a return flight, plus fees, it is costing Americans $250,000 to keep the first lady’s butt under control
………….
Not hiring THAT dude. Epic Fail.
And they couldn’t find even ONE personal trainer right there in Washington DC who could just … DRIVE over once a week.
They act like spoiled royalty – on public money. Not a care.
SteveCan commented:
BOHICA You all … See you in November!
pm commented:
Oh, I can’t tell you how much it steams me Michelle is spending that kind of money for a trainer. Especially if it’s our money.
This hypocritical woman is the worst. She’s telling kids to get in shape — and she can’t do it without spending $250K/yr…
And where was that fool Huckleberry? (Well, I think we know, we just can’t say…)
Why didn’t he pointedly ask her how she can justify spending that kind of money to keep in shape? (choking, here..)
Why does she need someone to walk her through exercises he’s done with her time and again?
What – there’s NO trainer good enough in D.C.?
Doesn’t she trust herself – no self-discipline? – to be able to stick to her regimen without him there?
This is an outrage. For $250K, we’re not getting our money’s worth for that rear end — unless it’s valued by its size.
Ted commented:
Bring it on home Harry!!!
sandy commented:
Bill Mitchell — I agree. I cannot believe that Dems will go over a cliff for Obama. I heard that one of the reasons for this Healthcare Summit was to get the Dems revved up enough to pass this. The Dems Pols have been very depressed an angry of late — poor little darlins.
Obama was able to do what the Republicans could never imagine doing — destroy the Democratic Party. Nearer My God To Thee should be their new theme song.
sandy commented:
Nice that you’re positive about the outcome of the House vote on Healthcare. But if wishes were horses then devils would ride. Giddyup Mr. Clyburn.
Guy commented:
Don’t turn a blind eye toward these criminals. There are a lot of “stimulus” dollars floating around unaccounted for out there, and it would be quite easy to buy the necessary votes with them. Any one of these Democrats would happily step aside after casting their vote if they knew there was a nice “czar” position waiting for them. We have children in charge of the candy store here, and with the kind of cash they have available in the “stimulus” slush fund, you can expect a wide variety of sneaky deals and dirty tricks going into November. Keep your powder dry …