Awful… RON PAUL WINS CPAC 10 Straw Poll (Video)
Posted by Jim Hoft on Saturday, February 20, 2010, 5:00 PM
How Awful.
Ron Paul wins the CPAC 10 Straw Poll today.
FOX News reported the news before Glenn Beck spoke tonight:
48% of the voters were students… Grow up.
Winston added:
Ron Paul supporters remind me of Basij militants in Iran. Ignorant, mentally challenged, thuggish & obsessive with their cult leader.
Or, maybe just young and naive.
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Valerie commented:
Ya gotta confine them to one vote per person.
ECM commented:
Well, that’s…not so good.
Taqiyyotomist commented:
Is this some new “February Fools’ Day” or something? Yankin’ our chains?
Opus #6 commented:
Hmmm.
Betsy Ross commented:
How do you spell that huck-tooie noise that comes from the back of the throat when you are disgusted cuz I need to know……
Scott commented:
Diminishes the event…Stay stuck on stupid and watch democrats rule this nation forever…He is a media tool who damaged the Republican brand in the last election cycle. Stop giving this guy a platform to speak…
Winston commented:
Ron Paul supporters remind me of Basij militants in Iran. Ignorant, mentally challenged, thuggish & obsessive with their cult leader.
Sojourner commented:
ahhhhhhh….cr@p!
jenny commented:
LOLOLOLOLOL!
jonnot commented:
Isn’t that just great…if the Independants and the Left thought that most Conservatives were unhinged, this certainly proves it. How could anyone in their right mind & who wants to be taken seriously, even consider a wing-nut like Paul for anything other than retirement?
AuntieMadder commented:
Betsy Ross, I think you spelled it well with “huck-tooie.” Huck-tooie. LOL!
Well, look at the bright side. That poll result and announcement probably gave that 9/11 truther stick up Beck’s butt a good twist.
dries commented:
Fantastic. Best way not to leave wilderness, where we are now.
wow commented:
If Ron Paul had an ounce of decency, he would retire, but he doesn’t. This is totally playing into the hands of leftists. They will be crowing for days and weeks to come.
ar05075 commented:
”Well, look at the bright side. That poll result and announcement probably gave that 9/11 truther stick up Beck’s butt a good twist.”
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Floyd Looney commented:
75% apparently didn’t bother to vote. After the gays shouted down a speaker, this was the worst thing possible.
I believe CPAC is done. Its toast. Lost all credibility.
Winston commented:
Indeed Ron Paul the 9/11 truther is the establishment. I think ‘tea party’ people should do all they can to unsit him in the next election cycle. He’s mentally troubled.
Warren Bonesteel commented:
The pair-a-dimes are changing, folks.
The narrative of the TEA Partiers has been an overwhelming vote for The Constitution and for individual freedom and liberty.
Sadly, the policies and platforms of the two major parties tend to conflate policies (laws they want to enact) with the ideals and principles revealed in that old piece of parchment.
It isn’t quite time for a legitimate third party, yet, but wait a few years.
AuntieMadder commented:
ar05075
February 20th, 2010 | 5:29 pm | #15
The only conspiracies Glenn Beck can’t abide by are the one about 9/11 being an inside job and the one about Obamao’s eligibility to be POTUS. He’s relegated truthers and birthers to the extreme fringes on each end of the political spectrum. So, since Ron Paul is a truther, his having won in this poll will twist the 9/11 truther stick in Beck’s butt.
Jayne on the left coast commented:
Remember the debates? The paulbots wold spam all the polls to show he won by 175%. Probably the same at CPAC. Paul is a real loon and so are his followers.
Rosemary Woodhouse commented:
Libertarianism may have worked in kinder, gentler time. The world has become far too dangerous, and the naifs must awaken from their slumber. Beside which, he ruined his credibility by aligning with “the truthers”.
Oh, and a great way to hasten a literal mid East Armageddon scenario would be to to practice isolationism and leave Israel surrounded by nuclear armed enem(ies). Then again, that seems to be the strategy employed by the current administration. Hmmmmm
DomesticGoddess commented:
Half of the attendees were students, and they love the Libertarians. The GOP sorely lacks in reaching out to this demographic.
Kenny Solomon commented:
CPAC just became a joke for what’s going to end up being shown as a stacked-deck straw poll giving R*n P**l 31%…….. Glad I wasn’t there. I’d have gone ballistic.
Mel commented:
As a Chuck Baldwin voter from 2008…I must say…
Ron Paul 2012!!!!!!
Blue Collar Todd commented:
Ron Paul just needs to go away. Time to retire.
Joan in Alaska commented:
The Straw Poll is not the Nomination. Don’t freak out yet.
I agree with Ann Coulter, we should not show our hand to the Libs yet.
Dell commented:
I’m sure there will be a lot of discussion; primarily asking “How in Hell did THAT happen?”
It certainly took all the luster off of a pretty positive convention.
To be brutally honest, Ron Paul would NOT be elected Governor of Texas….Say nothing of President of the United States.
Mitchell Blatt commented:
Ron Paul typically has good economic policies.
His military policies are a little bit extreme, but it is also true that some things–for example Iraq–weren’t positive wars, because Iraq wasn’t a threat, for one thing.
Dougf commented:
“Isn’t that just great…if the Independants and the Left thought that most Conservatives were unhinged, this certainly proves it.”>/i>
Remember when the Birchers were in effect ‘written out’ of the ‘conservative movement’ ? It’s far past time to FIRMLY deep six the Paul-nuts or trust me the whole thing will be contaminated by them. No sooner does the ‘movement’ move on from a self destructive social brand of the philosophy to a forn of fiscal ‘conservatism., than it appears to fall under the spell of a LUNATIC. Or maybe two if you include Beck, who let’s be frank here is rather — unpredictable to put it kindly.
Between Beck and Paul, Obama is going to start looking better and better. Better hope the economy does not turn upwards this year or 2010 will not be nearly as ‘good’ as it appears now.
redc1c4 commented:
Laup Nor is not a conservative. the closest he comes to “conservative” is the obvious need for him to have a “conservator” appointed so that he can receive the mental health care he so obviously needs and yet steadfastly refuses to seek.
he should not have been on the ballot and any submitted with his name should have been ignored.
ready_4_2012 commented:
Your collective reaction to this GREAT piece of news really helps to separate the true conservatives who believe in STRICT CONSTITUTIONAL FIDELITY from the neo-conservatives who don’t really care about the Constitution at all and show more allegiance to Israel than they do the United States of America, or the social conservatives who want a police state in place to stop people from getting abortions and looking at pornography. Do you think your Sarah Palins and your Dick Cheneys really care about the Constitution? NO! What they care about is their social and foreign policy agendas, and screw the Constitution. If Jefferson was still alive, there is only one man in politics today who he would endorse, and that man is Ron Paul.
Taqiyyotomist commented:
red!
Best line I’ve read all day, laughing hard at that.
“…the closest he comes to “conservative” is the obvious need for him to have a “conservator” appointed so that he can receive the mental health care he so obviously needs and yet steadfastly refuses to seek.”
heh.
Taqiyyotomist commented:
red, case in point, the post just after yours.
Just wow.
NuckingFutz commented:
The Idiots at CPAC just lost any money I would have donated EVER.
The Republican party truly is filled with MORONS
Gride commented:
I trust Obama more in defending this country than I would Ron Paul. How scary is that!
Liberty Lover commented:
What exactly does everybody have against Ron Paul? He is a strong conservative! He is strongly against the Federal Reserve (as are most conservatives), he is in favor of a gold standard instead of our fiat standard of currency (which is the obvious choice of the conservative, should he or she research the matter and discover that the gold standard gets rid of inflation), and, he is not militaristic, which is why he is not the favored choice of many of you (that and the fact that a few conservative talk show hosts/news bloggers such as Mark Levin, Glenn Beck, and Jim Hoft, as reputable and conservative as they are, dislike him).
Paul is in favor of a non-interventionalistic military approach, which, believe it or not, is what many of the Founding Fathers highly recommended.
As for him being a “truther”, does anyone have ANY evidence to back up that claim?
Everyone is entitled to their own perspective, but it sounds to me like many of you are portraying him to be worse than Obama, without really researching his actual perspectives. Now is not the time to be attacking the conservatives, that should be left to the liberals. Now is the time to unite against the radicalism in government now, and take back our country, and restore it to what the Founders had in mind!
bitterclinger commented:
You guys need to relax. That poll doesn’t indicate squat. One thing is different this year, Romney didn’t pay as many college kids to throw the election his way like he does every other year! The Paulbots were out in force and spammed the vote. The huge majority of CPAC attendees don’t even bother to vote.
jcf commented:
“ready_4_2012
February 20th, 2010 | 6:51 pm | #34
If Jefferson was still alive, there is only one man in politics today who he would endorse, and that man is Ron Paul.”
Well, ready_4_2012, if Thomas Jefferson were still alive, the senility you ascribe to him would be entirely understandable.
Ron Paul, on the other hand, has been a bat s**t crazy, hateful liar for too long to be able to ever get to use that excuse.
As for his followers, how many actual pledged delegates did Ron Paul garner in 2008….
….35, wasn’t it? 1.6%!
But that 1.6% know better!? LOL
ready_4_2012 commented:
Bottom line, if you think Ron Paul is crazy because of his strict adherence to the Constitution, then you’re not a conservative at all and you don’t deserve to call yourself a conservative. what’s the difference between a Sarah Palin, a Mitt Romney, or a Newt Gingrich and Barack Obama? They pander to different interest groups in their speeches. That’s it, period. Otherwise they’re all big government interventionists. Not a one of them cares about the Constitution.
Kenny Solomon commented:
…..and now – this minute – FNC is airing Huckabee interviewing the current FLOTUS…. like their long-lost BFF’s.
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot ?!?
Bob commented:
No Ron Paul and no 3rd party. Lets just get conservatives into the congress and the white house. Even if we have to put up with a Mark Kirk here and there it is better than socialist
William Teach commented:
I’m seriously hoping we do not have to go through all the wacky stuff with the Ron Paul supporters like we did in 2008. Crazy Uncle Ron is really not the direction the GOP needs to move. But, I see the Paulians are already out and about. Sigh.
Hey, maybe Ron can finally tell us if he supports the 9/11 Truth movement or not.
Greg commented:
Ron Paul ins’t even putting up campaign posters in the southern part of the gerry rigged district. I would rather contribute money to a dem campaign than vote for this do nothing guy
Republican since 1967
pm commented:
I think Ron Paul’s crazy because he completely ignores the threat of radical Islam.
Check out what Jefferson did in 1801 — sending the Marines to the “shores of Tripoli” to fight Islamic pirates. Without congressional approval.
Some times you gotta fight. And to close your eyes to an obvious threat is insanity.
ready_4_2012 commented:
It’s a sad reflection on our culture that a simple inquiry to determine the truth–any truth–is deemed a “movement.” Anybody who is aware and alert should be questioning the official line on 9/11 because there are so many unanswered questions. The possibility, for example, of Mossad involvement or advance knowledge of the events of 9/11 is very real.
Taqiyyotomist commented:
What I posted at flopping aces:
“My beef with Paul, besides the obvious “troofer” angle, which should alarm any sane person, is the fact that his minions, throughout the last presidential campaign, were known to have cheated every single available online opinion poll in which “ron paul” was one of the pickable options.
A well known “conservative” site at the time, which has since become a bastion of looniness, even ran a poll which was purposely worded so as to confuse, making the winner the loser, and the paulnuts, paulbots, paultards, they came in droves to vote for you-know-who. They bragged about techniques in their forums for cheating polls.
I don’t trust anybody whose core supporters use tactics like these. I believe Paul is a deception.
If you make a poll, with Ron Paul as the only option, he will take approximately 52,000% of the vote. Give or take.”
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Everything about his campaign screams deception.
Taqiyyotomist commented:
And someone has obviously told them all, “It’s time to move!” just this evening.
Liberty Lover commented:
Ron Paul associates himself with the Libertarian Party, however, he went into the elections as a Republican. No one here has given an actual reason for disliking him! They’re doing the typical Chris Matthews ad hominem attack. The fact is, he’s a fiscal conservative, which everybody has been talking about needing! Again, those who attack Ron Paul do not research for themselves the actual stances that Paul takes on critical topics!
Why the hell won’t anybody tell me why they dislike him, and then have the ability to back up their claims! Upon researching his actual beliefs, from sources such as his book (The Revolution: A Manifesto), you will find that they are similar to that of your own!
I still do not understand why people like Glenn Beck and Mark Levin dislike him. Although I love them, I don’t understand why they dislike him. Everyone here needs to do their own research, instead of taking Mark Levin and Glenn Beck’s opinions as your own.
Taqiyyotomist commented:
#50 see #48, #49
“No one here has given an actual reason for disliking him!”
Actually, a few posters have given reasons, but given the site we are posting on, most here already know the reasons, and most here know that, so we don’t feel the need, in this place, to list every single grievance we have against this man. Most think he’s nuts, and most know why. He’s the Art Bell candidate.
Taqiyyotomist commented:
If RP ever becomes president, (oh my God, forbid this thing), there will be a department for studying the chupacabra and bigfoot. Mark my words.
Liberty Lover commented:
They aren’t exactly the most solid reasons though. “some of his supporters spammed a poll”, “he’s a nutcase”, “he’s a socialist”, “he’s a 9/11 truther”, “he hasn’t put posters up”. Nobody really knows much about him, except what Jim Hoft, Glenn Beck, and Mark Levin have to say. And honestly, I read “Liberty and Tyranny” (great book!) and it was very similar to Ron Paul’s book! I’m completely confused as to why Levin dislikes Paul, when he takes a very similar stance!
ready_4_2012 commented:
My fellow lover of liberty: Mark Levin and those of his ilk hate Ron Paul for a very simple reason: they are radical supporters of Israel, far moreso than they are supporters of America. Ron Paul actually puts America first. He knows that our continued involvement in Middle-Eastern affairs, on behalf of Israel, is severely harming our beautiful country, costing us money and American lives. He does not care, because to him, the life of an Israeli is simply worth more than the life of an American. This is really the hallmark of the neo-conservative position that is favored by so many so-called “conservatives” who are really interventionist liberal wolves in sheep’s clothing. I reiterate my earlier position: Thomas Jefferson, were he to come back and witness the poor state of affairs his beloved United States has fallen under, would be equally disgusted with both right and left in this country.
Taqiyyotomist commented:
“some of his supporters spammed a poll”
LOL with the understatement of the century.
That was their M.O.
They bragged about it on their “official” forums. They bragged about using “IP spoof” programs to post multiple “I love RP” posts under different nics and to jack the polls.
“Some”, my patoote.
And you’re at it now, aren’t you? I bet you’ve posted your “I Love Ron Paul” messages at a hundred different sites tonight under a hundred different nics. All on command.
Liberty Lover commented:
“If RP ever becomes president, (oh my God, forbid this thing), there will be a department for studying the chupacabra and bigfoot. Mark my words.”
And what do you have to defend this claim sir? The fact that he has made countless speeches against all the government spending? The fact that he wants to audit the Fed, to account for all the spending? The fact that he’s a strict constitutionalist and fiscal conservative? When you attack his economical perspectives, you’re probably unknowingly attacking your own. I do not know you, but if you are the fiscal conservative type, then you are attacking yourself without knowing it. No offense sir, but when you make claims such as this, at least support them.
Taqiyyotomist commented:
I notice you have nothing to say regarding my implications of using various deceptive tactics.
Telling.
Liberty Lover commented:
What deceptive tactics? And yes, I admit that there are radicals in all groups. And as for your comment about me doing this on command, I’m not. I’m only 16, I just really like him, and thought that the rest of the conservatives did too!
Taqiyyotomist commented:
“…there will be a department for studying the chupacabra and bigfoot.”
Yeah, I admit, that was actually hyperbole.
The rest, not so much.
Liberty Lover commented:
At least to those who oppose him, read his book “The Revolution: A Manifesto”. There you will find his true beliefs. He’s not perfect by any means, but he’s not a socialist that many people portray him as. If you still don’t like him after you read his book, thats fine, everybody’s entitled to their own opinions. My big problem is people not really researching his beliefs, and making these very general ad hominem attacks about him.
Taqiyyotomist commented:
Tell you what, LL, get into the movement. Apparantly you’ve been reached, at your young age, by a movement that wants your participation (especially at an age where you’ll likely be voting when the election rolls around.)
Come back here, after you’re in it for a while, and relate to us the conversations that you see and hear once you’re “trusted”, about deceiving the public via the internet, telephone polls, and whatever other malfeasance gets discussed behind closed doors. You’ll remember what I said, and you’ll understand when you see it. Be a young Andrew Breitbart and get at the root of the deception from the inside. You’re in a great position to be able to do so, and you’d be a hero for doing so.
Truth is always better than deception, and if a person has to use deceit to get elected, then their positions on the “issues” don’t matter a whit.
Liberty Lover commented:
I honestly want nothing to do with the movement. I don’t even want Ron Paul as president, because while I think he has some great ideas, he doesn’t have the balls to carry some of them out. In my mind, he would be a very good VP to Sarah Palin. She’s my president.
I agree with you that there are radicals within the his followers, but they don’t make up the entire movement. The radicals act out of their own free will, not by the suggestion of Paul himself.
Also, I find it especially disturbing that people are calling him a cult leader, when all he is doing is trying to stir up the conservatives, which is what we want! Again, I don’t think he would make a great president, and he shouldn’t even run because that would split the vote and get another liberal in the White House. But, I think he is good as a Congressman
Taqiyyotomist commented:
http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/angry-white-man?id=e2f15397-a3c7-4720-ac15-4532a7da84ca
Read that, LL.
Liberty Lover commented:
Very interesting article, sir. I’ll look into that. I’ve heard about this, but I didn’t look into it much. By the way, I’m also an Andrew Napolitano fan, what do you think about him?
This is an article from Ron Paul on LewRockwell, which is a phenomenal news site for conservatives.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul635.html
dallasdan commented:
CPAC lost its credibility with me.
Rosemary Woodhouse commented:
Liberty Lover- perhaps it’s guilt by association. Many, if not most of his supporters are truthers. Most Americans are not.
Liberty Lover commented:
Good Lord, if Romney, Huckabee, or Gingrich runs under the GOP ticket, we might as well give the dems the election. Those guys are such a complete disappointment to the Republican party, and their political views are completely off base with that of grass roots conservatives.
William Teach commented:
Quite frankly, some Paulnuts are as bad as Charles Johnson, constantly cruising the Internet, looking for anything negative said about Paul, and then spamming like h*ll.
Sure, Paul has some good ideas, but, so many others are taking us back to the isolationist era’s of the first part of the 20th Century. He has voted to be completely neutral regarding the Israel-Palestinian conflict, refusing to stand for our ally Israel.
He won’t acknowledge the issues with Iran, and basically wants to just look the other way.
He has no problem looking the other way while genocide goes on in Sudan.
There are lots of other bad policies he advocates, but, the worst is his consideration that 9/11 was an act of “air piracy,” for which he introduced the “Marque and Reprisal Act of 2001,” and again in 2007. He seems to think we are not in a war against radical Islam, and has so far played patty cake with 9/11 Truthers.
Not the kind of person I want as either President or VP.
Liberty Lover commented:
Do you have anything to back up that claim, Rosemary? One cannot make such statements without anything solid to support them with. I am not a truther, I talked to many, many Ron Paul supporters at the Tea Party in St. Louis, and they were not in the least “truthers”.
I don’t know ANY supporters of Paul who are truthers. That’s not to say that it is a “proof by failure to find a counterexample” situation, as I have not talked to every one of his supporters. Nonetheless, facts must be checked before general statements are made.
Ladue Pundit commented:
September 9, 2007
In the [primary] debates held in South Carolina this past May, Dr. Paul was quoted, “I’m suggesting that we listen to the people who attacked us and the reason they did it…”
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Ron Paul was speaking about the 9/11 attack. I can agree with him on the Fed and a lot of other things, but with regard to the biggest threat this republic has ever faced, HE DOESN’T GET IT. It’s not a question of non-interference, it’s a question of survival.
wanumba commented:
Ron Paulers have quite the history with spamming polls. Wasn’t the last huge poll surge for Ron Paul traced to some guy in his basement who’d been at the computer 36 hours straight? Seriously, not making this up.
So, with that, Ron Paul is not an actual candidate but a carefully organized distraction. Which ALWAYS manages to hurt Conservatives and Republicans while helping Democrats and Liberal Left.
So, it isn’t then hard to figure out what’s going on, is it?
Karen commented:
I don’t agree with your assessment of Ron Paul supporters. Obviously a lot of Americans are looking for something different than what we’ve been force-fed to accept as candidates because those people ARE NOT WORKING FOR US.
I’m not saying I am a Ron Paul supporter, but as an average middle class working person, I am not interested in any of the people being offered up as potential candidates. I am sick of the status quo. I don’t believe in them anymore. They are insincere. They do not speak for me. They do not work for me, they are actively working against me and my family to impoverish us (and we are not people living beyond our means–we are just the opposite). They do not care about working class people anymore except in terms of what they can take from us.
I am looking for someone who tells the truth and cares more about the people he/she works for than what I’ve seen all of my adult life. My eyes are open and I cannot be fooled by words meant to pacify anymore. No one who is being offered as an alternative to Obama fits that category for me. The whole lot in government right now needs to be ousted (and preferably jailed for treason).
Liberty Lover commented:
Ladue Pundit: I agree. While I am in favor of his non-interventionalism policy, I believe that we should go after the people who attack us.
Wanumba: Can any one candidate completely control the actions of his or her supporters? And plus, what about the new Tea Party in Nevada? If they compete in the elections, that will inevitably split the vote between Republicans and Conservatives, thus electing Harry Reid. Again. Nevertheless, they mean well, and are either full of grassroots conservatives that are fed up with the way the politicians have been, or, it is a tactic used by the Dems and Harry Reid to get reelected.
Karen commented:
Also, I am not on board with the bashing of the people who question 9/11. Here’s what I don’t understand–Glenn Beck revolves his entire show on how untrustworthy our government is–how they lie to us and cheat us etc. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve listened to him bloviate on the misdeeds of our government–but the first time anyone questions the details of 9/11, suddenly seeking the truth is “dangerous” and “insane” behavior.
It makes no sense. We are to believe our government screws us over on everything EXCEPT in the case of 9/11. Seeking the truth (or being a “truther”) should be considered a noble thing. Glenn also makes sure to say that we should seek the truth if we have questions but if we do so about 9/11, we’re nutjobs. This type of hypocrisy is what loses me. If what most people believe about 9/11 is true, then the truthers shouldn’t pose a threat to anyone, however, the media makes sure that “truthers” are slandered any time they question anything. If they aren’t hiding anything, then there should be no problem with people probing and questioning. It’s still America, and in America we have the right to speak our minds even if it’s offensive to other people, and even if it makes other people uncomfortable. Just because people don’t believe our government had anything to do with 9/11 (because their minds cannot allow them to go there), doesn’t mean it cannot or is not true.
Liberty Lover commented:
I agree completely, Karen! There are some issues that I don’t agree with Glenn Beck on, but, nobody’s perfect, and you can’t please everybody. Glenn Beck has a lot of good things to say, but people should always question everything, even something that is said by men you agree with, such as Levin, Beck, Limbaugh, and Hoft.
Ladue Pundit commented:
Some people believe the moon landing was done in a tv studio and faked by the U.S. government.
At some point, those who are “seeking the truth” need to stand in the place where logic and facts intersect.
If you think believing lies is harmless, think again. It undermines our freedom and misdirects efforts to solve the real crisis. Who benefits from believing all the unverifiable, ountlandish, and ever-changing stories of the 9/11 truthers?
Answer: our enemies, inside and outside the U.S.
pm commented:
“I reiterate my earlier position…” Ready 4 2012.
Not quite, #55. Reread #34, your earlier statement:
You said Jefferson would endorse only one man today, Ron Paul.
Now you say Jefferson would be equally disgusted with both left and right.
But not after you had quite a bit to say about those who want to protect our friend, Israel. It didn’t surprise me, then, that what followed was such an obvious lie.
Liberty Lover commented:
I said nothing about believing everything, I said question everything. Which you should. However, there is a point when you need to review both sides, and make your decision accordingly.
Jim commented:
Ron Paul is an idiot. I took a hard look at him during the 2008 campaign because his talking points on his campaign website were attractive.
He seemed different than the typical re-pube-ican.
Then I watched him have a meltdown in one of the GOP primary debates.
A few weeks later I watched Tim Russert destroy him on Meet The Depressed.
I agree with him on fiscal matters 100%, outside of that he’s a loon.
Any politician on our side that Bill Maher is willing to give quarter to on his show is a non-starter in my book.
Joe commented:
There is only one thing more disgusting than Ron Paul, and that is his marry band of cult followers, 9/11 troofer and other nutbags. The man makes me sick. I would vote for Obama over that creep and I would send Obama money if it ever came to such a horrible choice. Ron Paul is a cancer in the Republican party, and that CPAC would give him that kind of forum makes me sick.
Mike in MD commented:
The poll favoring Paul does not reflect on Paul’s appeal as a candidate but on his platform. I take the result as warning to neo-con and “big government” conservative types that we don’t want a return to the Bush years, but a rededication to libertarian, or, at least, Reaganite principles: smaller federal government, more liberty, lower taxes, etc.
newton commented:
But again, didn’t half the people in attendance there not vote on this straw poll?
Ron Paul is still a Stormfront-nutcase. Anyone who takes him seriously is not worth taking seriously either.
Are you listening, Rockport? Victoria? Port Lavaca? Galveston?
rider commented:
Oh My – R there Alinsky trolls here—the hate is thick—RP vs. RINOs-Hmmmmmmm-cannot decide at this time….
Estragon commented:
Ron Paul is a full-blown nutcase, and not even an honest one. He’s one of the bigger earmarkers in Congress. He gets all his pork in, then votes AGAINST the appropriations bill so he can say he’s against spending.
He pushes gold, without bothering to mention virtually all his personal wealth has been in gold mining stocks for years, so anything which pushes the price up directly benefits his own pocket.
He ran for President in ’88 on an “open borders” platform, and had held that position his entire career UNTIL the illegal immigration problem began gaining attention, at which time he switched positions. Some “man of principle” he is, eh?
It’s no surprise college students comprise such a large share of his support. They tend to be naive and oblivious to their own ignorance, as well as susceptible to smooth-talking hucksters – just look how many supported Obama.
LibertyReigns commented:
I really have a good laugh when anti-Ron Paul conservatives attack Ron Paul because of his non-interventionist foreign policy. The fact that many of you think that we can somehow magically sustain an empire with bases in tons of countries while fighting 2 wars without going trillions of dollars in debt is laughable. I for one, actually love America, want to see it succeed and know that if America wants to stay debt free we need to have sound money, small government, and a non-interventionist foreign policy. You can’t be small government and for a big military. You neocons will rail against so called “welfare queens” yet the biggest recipients of welfare are the defense corporations whose only existence is thanks to our unconstitutional, unjust wars. And again while I am pro-life many other conservatives lie and say they are pro-life. What do I mean you wonder? I believe life starts at conception but I also believe that foreigners, whether they live in Canada or Iraq, or Afghanistan also have a right to life and that is that we don’t go bombing random civilian areas for some sham of a so called “war on terror”
Logus commented:
A poll is only as good as its sample and often too its method and format (question). Not all polls are therefore good indicators of anything. Nevermind too that we’re still two years out from any serious GOP contentions for president. Thus, two more years of CPAC straw polls.
This poll was irrelevant.
Gman commented:
LibertyReigns,
The fact that you think we will survive by not fighting is laughable to everyone here who is not a Ron Paul nuthugger.
AtomicLibSmasher commented:
I’ve seen this before. I used to participate at a website called Conservative Underground. When the campaign started and Ru Paul was the big talk of tye dye wearing tree smoking wanna be conservatives, a few of us on CU made fun of him because he is 100% fruit loops and his supporters are WORSE! Like I said, they look like dirty stinking hippies… go figure, but they came and proved the point. Hours and hours and countless hours TONS of them FLOODED the message boards and took over. They do this type of s**t ALL the time. Hell, there was a friggin’ Ru Paul WoW rally where they flooded a few servers and just stood there!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW7U3smrISI
Here is your typical Ronulan also.
http://unsavorymen.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/ron-paul-9-11-inside-job-2-786253.jpg
Pretty messed up, huh? The left laughs at us because of him and he helps divide us further. If RP was just a couple feet shorter, you’d swear he was Ross Perot in disguise.
Now I watched a few vids of C-Pac with Coulter, Andrew Breitbart, Scott Brown, Marco Rubio…. some of the best conservatives (though we gotta get Scott Brown’s abortion stance corrected now!) were there, and then… this crap. I will not be watching another again as much as I will miss watching Coulter and today’s top conservatives lay it down and speak out for our liberty and our values.
bg commented:
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2,395 people voted, 48% of those were “students”..
nuff said..
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Logus commented:
The left has their share of kooks. We have birfers and paulites. They will not be enough to cause the conservative movement a problem.
wanumba commented:
Liberty Lover
February 20th, 2010 | 9:14 pm | #75
Wanumba: Can any one candidate completely control the actions of his or her supporters?
……..
Ron Paul has had plenty of time to impose a discipline on his supporters. Either he has zero control over them, which is possible, but means they are running a game with his name, or he’s okay with it, meaning he’s not what he pretends to be. Haven’t heard him complain.
It’s one or the other, but both ways, he’s ALWAYS got the media. Very curious. See how he’s being used to discredit the CPAC? The media insists he’s included in GOP debates, but all that does is pull time way from serious contenders. Another gimmick.
He’s an old toad, but his posters are pure Ivy League artsy edgy poseur ghetto cool, and his supposed followers show up in trenchcoats and skateboards. Say what?
Estragon commented:
LibertyReigns ~ Consider if Ron Paul’s “non-interventionist foreign policy” had been in effect after WWII. Now, remember, he does not favor ANY deployment of American troops abroad unless we are first attacked. NO involvement in the affairs of the world at all, unless we are directly and immediately affected.
So, there would have been no American presence in Europe or Japan after WWII, no rebuilding, no defending the devastated countries from the Soviets. In fact, his policy would GUARANTEE the Soviets would have been able to take over most of the world, and he wouldn’t have lifted a finger until they were coming up the Mississippi River in rowboats!
It is the policy of an idiot. Apparently there are many like-minded to whom it appeals.
brooklyn commented:
This hurts CPAC’s credibility. A major Blow.
Glenn Beck’s anti-GOP bias is growing weary as well.
His delusional Isolationist mantra, is really a vivid contradiction to the Conservative platform.
Beck’s fashion of Libertarian games, simply did not fit at the CPAC.
Conservatives are reasoned, objective, fair, practical, honest, strong, etc.
Beck cannot even be objective with the GOP, or the Bush Administration.
He reminded me of an emotional television evangelist. He is lose with the facts and lose with history to present his agenda.
The Professionals shined at CPAC. Romney looked top notch, and it was nice to see him get the most votes besides the Paul sophistry.
Time for the juvenile fashion, the same reactionary nonsense which undermined sound conservative interests after 2004, to get off the Conservative stage.
Many voices grew in attention after 9-11, and tossed some truly irrational emotive sophistry into the mix.
Time to return to objectivity.
Hasn’t Beck learned anything since 9-11?
Isn’t it utterly absurd to have Ron Paul win the CPAC folly, when he believes the USA invited the 9-11 attacks via our own behavior?
Jeff commented:
Ron Paul does not have a realistic understanding of international affairs. If he did, he could not possibly propose a return to the isolationist policies of the pre-WWII era. Didn’t 9/11 essentially reinforce that the U.S. cannot withdraw from the world stage without serious consequences?
Jim commented:
Beck can grate on my nerves, but he is right about the GOP. If they are put back into power as the party of Bush they won’t last long.
In our modern world, the political climate is changing faster than ever. People remember 2000-2008, they remember a Republican congress that was a bunch of hypocrites on spending, just plain lazy on other issues. Gee, if they had fixed health care in 2003 or 2004 would the Democrats even have a platform on which to shove this socialized medicine down our throats? They thought they were going to be able to milk national security and not rock the boat on other issues(except compromising with Democrats on education) to stay in power for a generation.
The GOP has probably one more opportunity to get it right, 1 more. If they get power and screw up there will be a third party as I will never trust them again.
Give me the party of reagan or I’ll go third party. Final warning GOP
gary gulrud commented:
Romney, Pawlenty, et al., the GOP regulars were abysmal. Why expect anyone but a GOP sock-puppet to vote for your compromise?
If Paul is a ridiculous choice, run to by immaturity, why isn’t that the fault of the GOP flatliners?
AnnS commented:
Ron Paul is the most anti-Semetic politican in our Congress. He was the only one who voted against Israel right to defend themselves and voted for the UN Goldstone Report. He an his supporters are with these nutjob 9/11 truthers which is infiltrated with Musims to take the heat off themselves and resume with their propaganda as a “religion of peace”. If Amercian goes in this direction of a third party, we may as well let the democrats have it. We have some really great Republicans in the House and Senate. They are rolling up their sleeves and taking off the gloves. (watch C-spam sometimes) None of them voted for the healthcare, stimulus, and against amnesty Cap and Trade. We best stick with them or kiss this country goodbye.
Joe College commented:
I was at CPAC all day yesterday I had no idea there was this poll. Listen to the Fox report. You had to line up at a booth to vote. There were probably more than a hundred booths. The poll is absolutely meaningless. By the way, the Saturday crowd was dominated by college kids.
Taqiyyotomist commented:
#93 wanumba
I wonder about the logistics of this poll, as well. Someone over at Flopping Aces said that it was a poll that wasn’t “given” to all 10,000 attendees, but one that had to be “sought out”.
Was it one table in the corner?
Was it ten tables all spread out?
If the latter, well. No more needs to be said. Divide the number of people who chose RP by at least the number of tables. That’s not even factoring in “costume changes”.
I want to know what the logistics of this straw-poll was.
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GREAT comments everyone, in response to the boilerplate standard “Everyone says they hate RP but nobody says why!” spamming.
Webmasters, keep an eye out for single IPs posting as multiple RP supporters.
“They’re baaaaaaack!”
Taqiyyotomist commented:
AnnS
If Paul voted for the Goldstone report – I don’t know what exactly you mean by that – but if he even VAGUELY HINTED AT SUPPORT FOR the Goldstone report, he is much worse a candidate for office than I thought. I can think of a few things he’d be a candidate for, but I won’t post them on Jim’s site.
http://www.gloria-center.org/meria/2009/12/landes1.html
A serious smackdown rebuttal of the report.
“GOLDSTONE’S GAZA REPORT: PART ONE: A FAILURE OF INTELLIGENCE
By Richard Landes
The first part of this two-part article explores the pervasive flaws that mar the UNHRC’s “Gaza Fact-Finding Mission Report.” It focuses on an interlocking combination of problems: 1) its failure to investigate seriously the problem of Hamas embedding its war effort in the midst of civilians in order to draw Israeli fire and then accuse Israel of war crimes; 2) its astonishing credulity concerning all Palestinian claims, contrasted with a corresponding skepticism of all Israeli claims; 3) its harsh judgments on Israelis for war crimes (i.e., deliberate targeting of civilians), contrasted with its resolute agnosticism concerning Hamas intentions. The result is that Goldstone actually participates in Hamas’ strategy and encourages the sacrificing of their own civilians.”
Required reading.
RonPaulFan commented:
Why do you continue to bash this man? Obviously a large number of the people AT CPAC get it! Conservatives need to quit drinking the neo-con kool aid! How can you reconcile a demand for small government but support the enormous cost of the American war machine?
The points below are directly from Ron Paul’s book. Anything there you do not agree with?
• Limited government power
• A balanced budget
• Personal liberty
• Strict adherence to the Constitution
• Sound money
• A strong defense while avoiding all undeclared wars
• No nation-building and no policing the world
TaSS commented:
Ron Paul would be a seductive choice for president if you ignored common sense and history.
I would love to withdraw from the 150 countries around the world our men and women are cuurently stationed and bring them all home to guard our borders.
Just imagine for one moment we did this, which country would strike out at another first?
Iran? North Korea? China? Russia?
Isolationism has never worked and has only left us more of a mess to clean up afterwards.
Just like the kumbaya approach of the hard core left, it just doesn’t work in a real world.
bg commented:
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repeat: #91 for “THE SKY FELL CROWD”
2,395 people voted, 48% of those were “students”..
nuff said..
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RonPaulFan commented:
TaSS said
“Just imagine for one moment we did this, which country would strike out at another first?”
Facinating statement. It’s Americans responsibility to put up the BLOOD and treasure to keep the world safe for democracy.
I don’t want any countries to go to war with each other…but at what cost…I’m not willing to send my children to war for some others meaningless fight.
TaSS commented:
Yeah Ron Paul Fan. America was in periods of isolationism right before World War I and World War II.
How did that work out for us?
The truth is, the governments overseas will effect your children.
They do not stay contained by some imaginery border and even if you buy some time, by watching your friends fall instead of helping them, what are you going to tell your kids about the resulting genocides?
TaSS commented:
You have to understand the consequences of any actions you are supporting.
Let’s take just one example of North and South Korea.
Our mere presence on that border with our South Korean counterparts have kept the North Koreans goose stepping and teeth gnashing on their own side.
But they won’t cross.
Many South Koreans, like their young American counterparts, would like our troops to leave but anyone who has walked that border, will tell you how imperative it is to South Korean security that we stay.
If we can guarantee their safety by just a show of support, isn’t that better then watching a resulting war from our lack of commitment?
RonPaulFan commented:
Maybe its time for some of the other countries of the world to start taking up the slack and send their people to die for others causes…
Just as I’m sure you would not want others meddling in our affairs RP feels we should not meddle in others affairs, and I agree.
Think about it from this perspective…the US has a $14.2 trillion GDP. The two countries that we are conducting major wars in have a GDP of a combind $22 billion. We have been at “war” there for eight years…you gotta believe that with all the technology, training, wealth, manpower etc the American military is better than this! Why can’t we win? We’re not supposed to win, when the war ends the gravy train is over for the defense contractors etc. Keeping bases in 130 counties around the world ensures perpetual war – somewhere..
RonPaulFan commented:
You may have a point about South Korea. But my point is more directed at the protection of American lives. People need to think about what the ruling elite are actually using them for.
TaSS commented:
RonPaulFan,
I do understand what you are saying and to some extent, I can even agree with you. I’ll even go further, I would LOVE for that plan to be able to work.
It just wouldn’t.
We could pop open a beer, nuke some popcorn and watch the eastern hemisphere go to hell but how many people would you watch die, while sitting in your home and having the most powerful military in the world stand idle on your borders?
Would you re-engage? That would cost more lives then if we would have just continued to stand as a deterrent.
Taqiyy. commented:
Any Lord of the Rings fans among the Paulians, I wonder? And I’ll bet there are…a LOT.
Did they learn nothing from the thing?
The orcs of Mordor are riding against us, and these Grima Wormtongues call us “warmongers” for realizing the imperative to fight, for all civilization. Even the Hobbits who say, “Ah who cares about what happens on the other side of the dang world!?” were written by Tolkein to illustrate the wrongness of that. suicidal. naive. mentality.
thetimman commented:
Go Ron Paul!
Liberty Lover commented:
“Ron Paul is the most anti-Semetic politican in our Congress. He was the only one who voted against Israel right to defend themselves and voted for the UN Goldstone Report” – AnnS.
How can you call this man anti-Semitic? Because he voted against a right to defend Israel? This does not mean that he is automatically anti-Semitic, but that you have lack of critical thinking. To make such claims as this is completely absurd, and should be left to the liberal media. Conservatives are better than that.
And as for people who say his foreign policy is ridiculous, you do not understand it. It does not mean that we stop helping other countries rebuild from disasters, it simply means that we do not engage ourself in wars that do not directly concern us. Does anyone here know the cost of war? It costs billions and billions of dollars, on top of the priceless worth of our soldiers that fight them. Our involvement in WWII was unnecessary. Roosevelt launched us into that, when we had no business being in it.
If anyone is to argue against Ron Paul, then please do so with facts, instead of asinine attacks such as “he’s an idiot”, “he’s a nutcase”, “he’s anti-Semtitic” (just because Ben Stein said it, doesn’t make it true.). Such “arguments” as these are completely absurd and shouldn’t be made but ANY conservative. This is what the left does, and we get angry about it. Why then do we have a double standard about it, and do it ourselves?
AtomicLibSmasher commented:
Jim, start checking IPs. 10 bucks says ya got a LOT of multiple posters using the same one.
Anyhoo, RP is right on some of his domestic policies, but we are in a war now so that’s out the window for the time being.
Do I like the fact America has to be basically “The world’s cop”? No, not really. But what other country is going to stand up for liberty and freedom and fight oppression? 25 million Iraqis and 20 million Afghanis would agree with most of us here on our stance.
Isolationism would truly screw our alliances, screw free trade, screw freedom for new democracies, and us in general.
Liberty Lover commented:
No sir, you have isolationism confused with non-interventionalism. That is a common error. I agree with you that we shouldn’t be the worlds police. On the other hand, did Reagan go and attack Germany to get the Chancellor to bring down the Berlin wall? Of course not. Reagan was and would still be in favor of this non-interventionalist approach. How is it our responsibility to make sure all the other countries are treating their citizens perfectly? The countries that are a threat are middle eastern countries where Islam is the dominant religion. It is in the Koran to treat the people like they’ve been treating them! (especially the women.)
It screws us over financially when we attack various countries, and also, we lose many, many of our own soldiers when we do so. It is easy for you to sit at your computer and say that we should liberate the world from oppression when you’re not the one in the heat of battle carrying that out. If you think we should be liberating these countries, sign up for the military.
AtomicLibSmasher commented:
The countries that are a threat are middle eastern countries where Islam is the dominant religion. It is in the Koran to treat the people like they’ve been treating them! (especially the women.)
An they can have people come over here and fly airplanes into skyscrapers…. oh wait, THE JOOOOS did it! Right?
And nice “Chickenhawk” argument at the end there. Scratch a Ronulan, find a leftist. DU is
<————- that way, ya loon.
bg commented:
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TaSS
kudos!!
like the Oceans have deterred our enemies..
what was Japan’s bombing Pearl harbor all about??
today our enemy is entrenched in just about every country around the globe, they not only live amongst US,
we have the jihad itself in the WH, so get real people..
kiss up to & appease them for their centuries misdeeds
& they’ll love US, ignore them & they’ll go away, yeah right.. how did that work out for US with Clinton?? gah!!
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Taqiyyotomist commented:
“It is easy for you to sit at your computer and say that we should liberate the world from oppression when you’re not the one in the heat of battle carrying that out.”
It is easy for you to sit at your computer and say that we should not liberate the world from opression when you’re not the one suffering under opression.
You’re not the one hoping and praying to your god that someone will hold back death for you, someone who is brave and capable, whose families are being murdered and raped, whose friends are being tortured.
Wormtongue. Live and let die. “Let it Be”
So “practical”, and mass graves aren’t worth our time or blood. Since they’re on the other side of the world, screw ‘em. How weak and selfish is the Paulian mind, to be able to think like this.
Some day, someone who is able is not going to stand up for you, when you need it most, if there is justice.
Liberty Lover commented:
No, the Jews didn’t do it, the Islamists did! We know exactly who did it, why the hell would you think that I believe Jews did it? I’m not anti-Semitic, and neither is Ron Paul. I’m a Presbyterian. Many of you have absolutely no solid basis for your attacks on him. And sir, I am not a leftists, I was even at the first Tea Party in St. Louis! I’m an STRONG conservative!
And yes, it is a chickenhawk argument. But I’m trying to make a point. You state that we need to go fight for the rights of people in the countries where the government is oppressing them, but are you going to fight in it? If individual soldiers volunteer to fight to help them, that is their choice. But putting the lives of our soldiers in jeopardy to go after other countries is wrong. I believe that we should attack those who attack us, but leave the other countries alone (we have military bases in over 100 countries). We need a “peace by strength” that Reagan and Washington talked about.
“The great rule of conduct for us, in regard to foreign nations, is in extending our commercial relations to have as little political connection as possible… Why, by interweaving our destiny with that of any part of Europe, entangle our peace and prosperity in the toils of European ambition, rivalships, interest, humor, or
caprice?… It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world.” – George Washington.
Liberty Lover commented:
People suffer everywhere, we don’t even have a clear definition of “suffering’ yet. You could say that the Canadians are suffering from socialized medicine. Attack them to change their government? Cuba is suffering from their government, why haven’t we attacked them? And what about the invisible children in Africa? Why do we not attack them to stop their suffering? Why are we only focused on Iran? Granted, the suffering in Iran is undeniably horrific, and that it is the result of Islam and the horrible government. But if we are going to liberate the world, why stop at Iran?
pm commented:
I don’t know how closed the attendance/voting is at CPAC, but this I did happen to see:
CNN breathlessly, almost giddily, reporting Ron Paul’s win. The camera then turned to a woman in the audience with her head turned back toward the camera, grinning hugely, as they announced who won. She looked just like Medea Benjamin, and was dressed in pink.
Made me think of BO’s flipping off his political opponents or those cookies he served up in the shape of acorns…
Republicans had better make sure the nomination process is protected for the 2012 election.
wanumba commented:
Taqiyyotomist
February 21st, 2010 | 9:08 am | #102
#93 wanumba
I wonder about the logistics of this poll, as well. Someone over at Flopping Aces said that it was a poll that wasn’t “given” to all 10,000 attendees, but one that had to be “sought out”.
……
Ron Paul is a construct. He is always used to make the GOP and conservatives look bad. The media practically insists he be wherever they need a diversion.
What we need to do is find out who’s funding him, which will then explain a lot.
Sorry, but idle college students and slackers do not as a budgetary and personal philosophy DONATE … MONEY. They are moochers. They are not his source of funding.
He looks and talks like an accountant and his posters rEVOLUTion look like Che Guevera.
Yeah. Sure he’s conservative. Not.
The CPAC and Tea Parties better get up to speed on these tricks, see how fast the media broadcasted that poll result, and how many people instantly showed up to intone, “CPAC lost total credibility with me. I’m not giving them money” to further salt the mine? – this is just the beginning.
bg commented:
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Liberty Lover @ 1:14 pm #122
liberty lover??
you might as well mimic Obama & say
something like a littler genocide never
hurt US..
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bg commented:
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Liberty Lover
how do you think you got what you not only take
for granted, but blatantly deem to deny others??
It Has Always Been The Soldier
It is the soldier,
not the President who gives us democracy.
It is the soldier,
not the Congress who takes care of us.
It is the soldier,
not the Reporter who has given us Freedom of Press.
It is the soldier,
not the Poet who has given us Freedom of Speech.
It is the soldier,
not the campus [community] Organizer who
has given us the Freedom to Demonstrate.
It is the soldier,
who salutes the flag;
who serves beneath the flag,
and whose coffin is draped by the flag,
that allows the protester to burn the flag.
~ Father Dennis O’Brien, US Marine Corp. Chaplain
God Bless America!
God Bless Soldiers everywhere for putting THEIR
lives on the line to protect us ALL from terrorism!
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bg commented:
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re: bg #125
littler = little
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bg commented:
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Liberty Lover @ 1:14 pm #122
re: [But if we are going to liberate
the world,]
good question, ask the UN, for all intent & purpose, they
might as well fund genocide, not that they haven’t..
btw, both Bush & Powell desperately tried to have the UN declare what’s been going on in ie: the Sudan “genocide” so nations could form a coalition & do their job to no avail..
re: [why stop at Iran?]
because Obama, the lying non-American per se, is the US President..
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Taqiyy. commented:
wanumba, you’ve crystallized what I’ve always felt about this man, and his campaign.
If it were proven beyond doubt that Soros was behind his campaign, I would not be at all surprised.
Regardless, we are about to see more deception than ever before. Practice makes perfect with these folks. Nobody studies the psychologies of masses of people like the progressives do, and study it they do, with decades of intense practical experience. The campaign of ’00, they tried to steal, but couldn’t. They got better. The campaign of ’04 they tried to steal, and came thisclose. They got better. When I say “steal” I mean also using deception in a thousand insidious ways to get votes, not just the rampant ACORN tactics and the rampant vote-counting (and not-counting) tactics. Life itself is one big campaign to those who seek to mold public knowledge and opinion, and they’ve gotten better over the last couple of decades at it.
More deception than we’ve ever seen before. Coming our way? It’s begun already.
PRAVDA and the German propaganda masters GOT NOTHIN’. Like all sciences, this one has advanced quite a bit since then.
Good thing we have Christ, the internet, places like GP and people like Jim and Breitbart and a few thousand rockin’ commenters to shine some light into the darkness.
Taqiyy. commented:
http://www.newsrealblog.com/2010/02/21/ron-paul-emerging-as-ross-perots-doppelganger/
Aussie commented:
I am an outsider. I do not trust Ron Paul. Some of the things he says look good. I do not believe that we should necessarily return to the gold standard. I do not know if this is valid argumentation. What I do know is that it is BS to claim that under the gold standard there was no inflation. Not only is it BS it is totally myopic.
Folks we had inflation during the period of the gold standard. You will get inflation whenever you get increases in demand for labour or goods, and there is a lack of supply.
My gut feeling about Ron Paul is that he would be as dangerous as Obama.
Bleepless commented:
Between the Birchers and the Ronsters, I have serious doubts about the future of CPAC. What is conservative about either well-organized clique?
Marsh commented:
Ron Paul’s defense policy is ridiculous. And his cult followers are almost as bad as the Obama worshippers.
Mike commented:
Just to clairfy… Ron Pauls isolationism, as many are calling it, is bad? So if all the tropps were pulled back to US soil and defended our borders we would be worse off? How many 100′s sneek across the southern border daily? How much money are we blowing daily in none authorized wars? And lastly, supporting the Consitution makes you a nut? The GOP is not the answer. Is Ron Paul? I don’t know but after 8 years of W and 1 of Barry I am done with the establishment and its mouth pieces.
Mike commented:
One more thought… Paul could not be as dangerous as Barry- any President that followed the Consitutional limits on power could not do what Barry or W did. Patroit act, illegal wars, mandating policy through departments if Congress won’t approve (cap&trade). The pres should be a chief adminsitrator carrying out the Congresses orders. Not the dictator running (or ramming policy) the show.
bg commented:
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the best CPAC speech evah!!
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thetimman commented:
Ron Paul has integrity, intelligence, humility and common sense– not to mention the courage to stand for his convictions. I can see why he is so despised.
bg commented:
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thetimman @ 4:19 pm #137
perhaps it’s because we live in the real imperfect world, ergo, are
fully cognizant of the fact that ‘no nation is an Island’ unto itself..
and yes, he may very well be all of those things, but it’s not enough.. RP put himself in a box, i’ve heard someone named Pandora lives in one too..
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