Plane Crashes Into Building Next to FBI Offices in Austin, Texas (Video) …Update: Pilot Identified as Joseph Andrew Stack …Update: A Marxist Nut
Posted by Jim Hoft on Thursday, February 18, 2010, 11:51 AM
CNN is reporting that the pilot intentionally hit the Texas building.
Smoke billows from a seven-story building after a small private plane crashed into the building in Austin, Texas on Thursday Feb. 18, 2010. (Austin American-Statesman, Claudia Grisales)
People were on the second floor. They couldn’t get out. They were hanging out the windows screaming for help -AFP.
Reuters reported:
A small aircraft crashed into a building next to an FBI office in the Texas state capital of Austin on Thursday, local officials said.
The plane crashed into a seven-story building at about 10 a.m. CST, said Helena Wright, a spokeswoman for the Austin Police Department. There were no deaths reported but two people were hospitalized, police said.
No terrorist link was suspected, according to the Department of Homeland Security.
A witness told KVUE that it didn’t appear the plane was having any trouble before it crashed, but it was flying very low.
News Austin 8– Crews in the field said the plane hit a Lexus, shattering the car’s glass, before crashing into the building.
More… The plane was registered to Joseph Andrew Stack, the Federal Aviation Administration told an Austin TV station, whose house in north Austin burned Thursday morning. A neighbor rescued a woman and a girl from the burning house, according to Austin media reports.
UPDATE: The Smoking Gun posted a letter it claims was written by the suspect lashing out at the IRS… The statement was uploaded to the front page of a web site that was registered in 1997 by a Joe Stack, who listed an address in San Marcos, Texas, which is about 35 miles south of Austin. The online posting is titled “Well Mr. Big Brother IRS man… take my pound of flesh and sleep well.”
UPDATE: Figures. The guy sounds like another crazy Marxist nut.
From his screed:
Why is it that a handful of thugs and plunderers can commit unthinkable atrocities (and in the case of the GM executives, for scores of years) and when it’s time for their gravy train to crash under the weight of their gluttony and overwhelming stupidity, the force of the full federal government has no difficulty coming to their aid within days if not hours? Yet at the same time, the joke we call the American medical system, including the drug and insurance companies, are murdering tens of thousands of people a year and stealing from the corpses and victims they cripple, and this country’s leaders don’t see this as important as bailing out a few of their vile, rich cronies.
The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.
The capitalist creed: From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed.
Too bad for the MSM. He wasn’t a tea party protester.
ADVERTISEMENT
-
Featured Story:
Horrible… Obama Tells Foolish Supporters: I’m Not Over-Spending… “I’m Running to Pay Down Our Debt”
Published May 23, 2012 at 11:51 pm - 69 Comments
Taqiyyotomist commented:
http://twitter.com/foxnewsradio/status/9292644110
“Texas pilot allegedly set his house on fire before crashing plane into 7 story bldg @toddstarnes per NTSB 28 minutes ago from web”
Taqiyyotomist commented:
http://www.news8austin.com/content/your_news/default.asp?ArID=267304
excerpts:
“Meanwhile, investigators are looking into a possible connection between a house fire in North Austin earlier Thursday morning and the plane crash. Witnesses at the house fire in the 1800 block of Dapplegrey Lane told News 8 Austin they feared that fire was intentionally set.”
“Initially it was reported the Austin Resident Agency Office of the FBI was housed in the building. However, the FBI’s offices are adjacent to the building. However, officials in Washington confirm that the building struck by the plane was home to about 200 employees of the U.S. Internal Revenue Service, including that agency’s criminal investigations division.”
Huffpo’s population is, like pavlov’s dogs, all yippy and salivating, bangin’ up against the walls of their cages. They think “TREATS! BACON!” Look if you dare.
O needs a crisis.
Taqiyyotomist commented:
I give you, the Doorway to Insanity:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/18/austin-plane-crash-office_n_467264.html
Betsy Ross commented:
“No terrorist link was suspected, according to the Department of Homeland Security.”
…hey, Big Sis, define “terrorist”…
retire05 commented:
Local witnesses are saying that the plane made two turns, not seeming to have any power problems, before it appeared to have taken a dive.
The news is trying to tie it to a single house fire, which, at this time, just just pure speculation.
Whatever the reason this guy did this, it was deliberate.
His name was Joseph Andrew Stack, according to the DoJ.
Wonder if anyone will bother to investigate if this guy has any Islamic ties? Nah, no point in that. Wouldn’t want to see if there are enemies among us.
But I will find out, I promise you. My best friend is a Lt. with the AFD.
Major Kong commented:
Won’t be long before they’ll be speculating he was a tea-bagger.
retire05 commented:
Major Kong, you beat me too it.
But don’t forget, Austin is the San Francisco of the Southwest. There is a reason the Austin motto is “Keep Austin Weird”.
KM commented:
Yep he was one pissed off tax payer:
Meet Mr Joe Stack
http://embeddedart.com/
alaskan commented:
As soon as they confirm he was NOT MUSLIM, then all the Federal Departments will ‘jump to conclusions’ that this is Domestic Terrorism.
It will be labeled Domestic Terrorism, and the blame will placed on the GOP, Republicans, the ‘Party of NO’, Sarah Palin, and Tea Parties.
The jump to Domestic Terrorism will be quick (don’t let a crisis go to waste) and it is properly timed with CPAC, so the left will push the issue home.
Ironic, how we still haven’t seen any Federal position four months after the Ft. Hood terrorism strike…..but then again, when you have a muslim the Feds will sweep it all under the rug.
retire05 commented:
The report on the house fire may not have anything to do with the plane crash. The house fire was set at 9:30 a.m. The plane crashed into the building at 9:46 a.m., hardly time for the same guy to get to the airport, circle the city and then nose dive his plane into the Escelon building. 16 minutes guys. Do the math.
USMC commented:
CNN states the plane was stolen. Now who owned the burning house?
Dave commented:
Alaskan – you beat me to it.
Yes, CNN is already reporting that it was an “intentional” act –
wow, are they clairvoyant or what?
who needs police or fire investigators when you have CNN “experts” ??
didn’t they get the memo on “not jumping to conclusions?” – or is that somehow not applicable in this case?
daryl commented:
Too much speculating about who, what, when, where, and how.
I know less now than I did before hearing the first reports on the radio.
Major Kong commented:
Don’t know any details at this point. Was the house burned completely down? If so, and if the house was in an urban area, that’s not easily accomplished unless the house has been set afire in strategically located areas assuring a complete and thorough burn. If that’s the case time delayed ignition would make the 16 minute trip to the airport moot.
Auntie Em commented:
Administration blaming Bush in 5….4….3….
Dwayne "the canoe guy" commented:
Looking at the sourcecode
Joe Stack
Joe
27
1848
2010-02-16T19:24:00Z
2010-02-18T06:42:00Z
3
2676
15254
It was created on Tuesday and was last altered this morning at 06:42
retire05 commented:
Major King, the house is in a inner city residential area. The daughter told a neighbor that her dad set the house on fire. He blew the damn house up.
Neighbors with shattered windows.
The name of the home owner has not been released.
Everything is speculation now on the part of the news. Remember, if it bleeds, it leads.
Only the name of the pilot has been released.
J commented:
All the leftist’s hopeful fantasies about the pilot being a “tea bagger” are utterly dashed.
The guys was a fringe leftist.
Here’s some excerpts from his own online menifesto/suicide note:
The recent presidential puppet GW Bush and his cronies in their eight years certainly reinforced for all of us that this criticism rings equally true for all of the government.
Why is it that a handful of thugs and plunderers can commit unthinkable atrocities (and in the case of the GM executives, for scores of years) and when it’s time for their gravy train to crash under the weight of their gluttony and overwhelming stupidity, the force of the full federal government has no difficulty coming to their aid within days if not hours? Yet at the same time, the joke we call the American medical system, including the drug and insurance companies, are murdering tens of thousands of people a year and stealing from the corpses and victims they cripple, and this country’s leaders don’t see this as important as bailing out a few of their vile, rich cronies.
The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.
The capitalist creed: From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed.
http://embeddedart.com/
http://hotair.com/archives/2010/02/18/ntsb-plane-crash-into-austin-office-building-may-have-been-intentional/
Robohobo commented:
Austin is called “Moscow on the Colorado” by locals. An island of Blue in a sea of Red Texas.
The IRS has a center there that is very large. I mail my returns there every year until the e-option was made available.
MJSamuelson commented:
I passed by this area this morning, though not close enough to know it was a plane crash immediately. There is a church very nearby, and they’re cancelling classes for this evening (they use some of the rooms in the Echelon buildings).
Very frightening day in Austin. We had a shooting at the state Capitol just a few weeks ago. And we’re less than a two hour drive from Ft. Hood.
Major Kong commented:
Thanks for the details, retire05. I don’t and won’t watch TV “news” so I’m acquiring info from radio and Internet. Explosion would strongly suggest, if not require, time delay if the next part of the plan were to fly a plane into a building.
Auntie Em commented:
look at this….
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389×7740602
jjjjjjjjj commented:
were there any casualties? other than the pilot?
jim commented:
Looks like there’ll be one person who won’t be paying for the Blowhard’s parasites and special interests.
AtomicLibSmasher commented:
Sounds like a rant of a deranged lunatic, but sounds more like the screed of a Ron Paul freak or just an anti-government, anti-capitalist anarchist douche. Hard to tell, but at least the only one killed was his own dumbass. Thank God for that.
jjjjjjjj commented:
he sounds like a Bill Ayres wannabe not a Ron Paul person..
retire05 commented:
A man flys a plane into a 7 story building and he’s the only one being reported dead. Can we call this a miracle, guys?
Right now a man from a glass company is talking about how he personally got five trapped people out of the burning building.
Texans Rock.
Red commented:
I think it is established, planes are good sources of mayhem.
Trish commented:
Double standards ride again.
I cannnot wait for the coverage in the lame stream media, who will go out of their way to avoid any connection to liberal insanity, or nary a mention that he was a lefty who was NOT a tea party follower.
DocScience commented:
Apparently this guy started his work life trying to avoid payment of taxes via fraudulently claiming to be a religion, got caught and spent the rest of his life in various other schemes to avoid taxes, getting caught each time.
Demented.
C++ can do this to you.
bg commented:
++
Betsy Ross @ 12:02 pm #5
re: […hey, Big Sis, define “terrorist”…]
Definition of Terrorism under U.S. Law
as has been witnessed throughout history, terrorists are those
who use death & destruction to further their political agenda..
==
Mike W commented:
The whole rambling suicide note paints him as a “victim”. The left who 1st tried to vilify him will soon portray him as a hero. A poor “victim” of the evils of capitalism.
Andreas K. commented:
“The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.”
Hmmm… no wonder leftists are thugs, this “creed” says it all. It allows pillaging, plundering, raping, murdering, etc.
SirKnob commented:
It figures. If they report this nut at all, they will attempt to attach him to the ‘tea party’.
In my opinion, we should all go about our business as usual. But, anytime we are confronted with liberal interventions, we should simply scream at the top of our lungs “I am Dr. Amy Bishop”, and walk out.
Maybe then the libs will get the idea that they should report the news as it happens. Doubt it though. They are incapable of simple addition, so it seems implausable that they could make the connection.
bg commented:
++
ps re: bg #33
“terrorist”
==
JackJ commented:
One less lefty loon in the world. Was he just a reader or a contributor to DailyKos and Huffpo?
jim commented:
Was this guy a Facebook friend of Prof. Amy Bishop?
maverick muse commented:
Whoever wrote Stack’s “rant” promoted Communism and violence as the only means in life.
Constitutional Conservatives, Libertarians and Independent Tea Party members repudiate Marx and eschew terrorism, instead supporting our Constitution Government and personal responsibility.
Do recall yesterday’s talking point that “Clintonistas” would fabricate events to thwart the Tea Party Constitutional movement. Central Texas has already suffered a massacre under Clinton’s administration that assassinated all the Branch Davidian men, women and children outside of Waco, burnt to ashes along with whatever “evidence” that administration had to attack US citizens who pled to be taken into custody by the Texas Rangers who wanted to keep the peace and were there prepared to make arrests but were put off by Clinton’s federal forces who had already been torturing all the residents with weeks of 24/7 hellish barrage. And the media presented a united front for that federal terrorism at Mt. Carmel. Everyone was talking about those “wackos in Waco” accepting news without question.
Then again now, the neoconservatives are playing the masters of the universe, fabricating whole cloth smear campaigns to promote their own power base and to ruin others.
Until Stack’s family, friends and clients as well as his previous correspondences and writings are validated and compared with this “rant”, there is no telling what to make of today’s horrible tragedy in Austin, TX.
averagemelon commented:
This man was so disturbed he burned down the house of his own wife and child and then decided to murder hard-working people he deemed as a threat to his happiness by flying his airplane into the building of their employer. His happiness, by the way, was lots of money made by being a self-employed engineer. Everyone and everything that thwarted that dream was deemed as a thief in his mind. Some of the things he ranted about actually did have some threads of truth to them but if he really understood his freedoms, he was more than free to leave this country and go elsewhere to try his luck. Life is hard. Get over it. My prayers are for his poor family.
maverick muse commented:
The battle cry to punish Libertarians for the crimes of others is already launched on neoconservative blogs.
“The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.”
That statement helped to pioneer the American West decades before the Civil War.
Marx wasn’t the first socialist; Rousseau, the contemporary of our Founding Fathers, was. Nor was Marx the first to make that assertion. Joseph Smith, Jr. the founder of the Mormon church in America used that same phrase to explain his United Order that the Mormons practiced through and beyond Brigham Young’s tenure as president of their church. The earliest American historians documenting life in Utah made note of the Mormon’s “peculiar communism”. The United Order was another divine revelation from God that required obedience in order to prepare the New Jerusalem Zion which migrated from Missouri to the Great Basin in the American West known then as the independent State of Deseret. (Hence the Utah War with the US Army.) The United Order, making a blood covenant and giving all one’s possessions to Zion and receiving back what one’s Bishop determines that you need, was effective in colonizing Mormon communities of converts that organized in centrally directed wards and stakes. It also made leaving when disillusioned by Mormonism far more difficult than impractical.
Look for online LDS records regarding the United Order today and all you’ll find is “endowment” as revisionism erases historical records and the reality from past generations who lived under the other eternal covenant of polygamy required to attain their Celestial Kingdom highest degree of exaltation into each man’s godhood within the Patriarchal Order.
Take heart. This is only the “faith of Romney’s fathers” that plays such a significant role in the neoconservative Republican entrenched party forces.
John C. Drew, the former Occidental alumnus who recently labeled Obama a Marxist Leninist and the “apparent” wealthy gay companion of the Pakistani multimillionaire Mohammed Hasan Shandu, evolved from Marxism into neoconservatism and wants to expound how he made that rationalization: anonymous political scientist .blogspot. com
It seems that neoconservatism is the Republican “big tent” that discriminates against Constitutional conservatives who participated in Tea Party protests but won’t give in to the neoconservative (socialist) bigger is better government. According to Jonah Goldberg’s assessment of Fascism, the neoconservative “compassionate conservatism” is simply Republican’s progressive fascism.
Interesting to think clearly about implications. There is no such thing as simply “words, just words” unless you want to enslave humanity with the likes of “Arbeit Macht Frei!” and obliterate our unalienable rights along with our Constitutional Rights.
bg commented:
++
pardon if a repeat..
Joseph Andrew Stack Suicide Manifesto
[Federal authorities are investigating the following Web posting linked
to Joseph Stack, the pilot of the single-engine plane that crashed into an Austin, Texas, office building that housed IRS offices.]
==
Auntie Em commented:
The similarity between Stack and Amy Bishop is very eerie.
bg commented:
++
maverick museNo Gravatar
[Until Stack’s family, friends and clients as well as his previous correspondences and writings are validated and compared with this “rant”, there is no telling what to make of today’s horrible tragedy in Austin, TX.]
yet you make sure people have something
to “jump to conclusions” about, go figure..
==
maverick muse commented:
“This man was so disturbed he burned down the house of his own wife and child and then decided to murder hard-working people he deemed as a threat to his happiness by flying his airplane into the building of their employer.”
Good thing his guilt is already determined. No chance in hell that he was an easy idiot to set up as the tool for progressive socialists enforcing a media pogrom against Libertarians or any other “undesirable” law abiding Constitutional conservatives. You’d better join up with the popular party, or else.
Crimes and terrorism took place. Those who participated in these heinous crimes are accountable. If indeed Stack is guilty, complete the investigation without revising or tampering with evidence and take him to court before consigning him guilt.
That’s right. No need to wait to cast judgment according to the news released by the victimized federal agency. What sort of physical remains of his body are there, none for forensics? How easy is it for the federal cybersecurity forces to hack Stack’s computer and write the “rant” complete with 27 revisions over the past two days? Too difficult, not. How easy is it for dark forces to align with Stack and cajole him into this insanity? Not difficult since he has a difficult track record already with relationships and responsibility. Who has been with Stack these past two days and before? Who knows what before the crash?
Condolences to the victims and families.
maverick muse commented:
bg
No need to Jump.
Read history to draw conclusions about Marxists converting into neoconservatives, whether in the case of Mormons it took four to five generations, or in the case of John C. Drew it took four to five decades. Evidently you have not yet read Jonah Goldberg’s book, Liberal Fascism, though it came out early in the 2008 POTUS campaign.
bg commented:
++
Terrorist hit IRS in Texas and a hero emerged
[“He’s an exceptional guy,” Cepak said. “He got it off his truck and helped them out. He said this thing was fixing to go up in flames and got out of there.”
Forget the nutjob. Hail, Robin DeHaven, who saved 5 people today.]
==
J commented:
I wonder if Janet Napolitano will come out and claim that the system worked this Sunday.
njartist49 commented:
Glenn Beck is going nuts deriding nuts on the left and on the right.
Corporal Vere commented:
Banzai! Banzai!! Banzai!!!
bg commented:
++
maverick muse @ 4:13 pm #48
you obviously missed my point..
you more or less stated said we shouldn’t “jump to conclusions”..
then you rant on about some conclusions you’ve jumped to concerning Marxists, Neoconservatives, Mormons, yada, yada, conversions etc..
so i ask you, exactly what do you call it when someone
states not to do something then proceeds to do it??
do as i say, not as it do is not an answer..
==
bg commented:
++
oh my God, we live is sick times dear friends, very sick times.. *sigh*..
America In Shock As Gray Champion Joe Stack Dies For Freedom
==
bg commented:
++
ps re: bg #54
re: CNN link..
sorry, but that’s looks to me to be a lot worse
damage than any small plane could muster..
==
bg commented:
++
clarifying re: bg #55
i meant on it’s own, wonder if he had it loaded
up with some things that would go boom..
==
Dave commented:
Red @ #30
and when small planes are outlawed, only outlaws will have small planes.
where’s Chuck Schumer & the Brady Center to Prevent Handgun Violence on this one??
archer52 commented:
Here’s my take on this. I hope cooler head prevail on both sides. From the website-
Austin Texas and a first shot across the bow of the government.
Posted February 18th, 2010 by admin
Obviously, the guy is a nut. It will be interesting to see what exactly the issue was, but there is some sort of a manifesto left behind about taxes. First, and for the new version of the Carnivore program being run as we speak, this is wrong. Targeting a building that has workers in it is wrong. Those people working in there are just regular folks like the rest of us. They have families, friends, bills, houses, children, etc. They are simply working, doing their jobs. Heck, I’ll bet half of them agree with the guy’s complaint about taxation without representation. So, hurting them is wrong.
Back in 1995 Timothy McViegh believed he was doing something right when he bombed the Murrah building on the anniversary of Waco. He was wrong. There is no justification to kill anyone, especially children, as an act of revenge for the prior deaths of children. This is not how we do things in America. However, this is what happens when governments begin to crush people. The first ones that crack are the nuts. Sadly, they will not be the last. In reading the “wiki” version of the bombing I got the impression that McVeigh had a number of problems, or so they say- failure to settle, failure to find a girlfriend, etc. Making him some kind of classic bomber nut that makes it easier for people to sleep at night. The trouble is, not all of them will be meet this classic definition. Some will be like the man committing the act we witnessed today. As the facts come out, we are seeing a man who simply snapped after a long pressure filled conflict with the IRS. Obviously he snapped as he burnt his home, leaving his wife and teenage daughter homeless- an act by a man long past caring about anything other than making a lethal point.
This is a case of a single nut, but not a single act. We will see more violent acts as people begin to fray under the pressure this government has created. I feel sorry for any government worker trapped between this government’s policies and the people who crack. I also pray for their safety. McVeigh said had he known about the child care center he would have picked another target, or even switched to a better system of terror like a countrywide sniping spree. But he never apologized or felt remorse beyond the children. He was committed to his cause. He believed.
According to the latest reports, this man also became convinced the system had betrayed him. Whether he was in the wrong or not (It will be curious to see exactly what his complaint was. I wonder if the IRS will be open with the investigation.) his act is going to have repercussions for a long time to come. There is a saying that mothers tell young kids “It is all fun and games until somebody gets their eye poked out.” Sometimes the government acts like a big kid refusing to follow the rules of the game. They end up poking somebody’s eye out. Unlike kids, the inevitable result is that the one eyed victim tends to retaliate, as McVeigh did. I followed a link to a website where an old article of IRS abuse was reported. Here it is-
http://www.nytimes.com/1998/04/30/us/3-businessmen-testify-of-armed-raids-by-irs.html?pagewanted=1
The article is from 1998, long before George Bush or Obama. The businessmen testifying claimed they were subjects of IRS abuse. If the article from the Times is to be believed at least two out of three were in fact abused. Poor police work, shoddy investigations, and over eager agents wanting to make a point so they can continue to be funded were the accusations brought forth by members of Congress. (An argument also put forth as a partial motivation for both Waco and Ruby Ridge.)
What happens when any government agency is given almost ultimate power and has very little oversight? They always become abusive. It is the nature of humans and it is the nature of government. Our founding fathers hoped the three branch system would dampen the abuse because it gave citizens multiple avenues to seek justice if wronged. The danger is if all the avenues are closed to the citizen and their will and words are ignored. The only option some feel left is violence. Sort of a human tea kettle sitting on a hot stove. How DHS responds to this event will go a long way on how the people see the government. If the usual “let no crisis go to waste” mentality takes over, it will only increase the stove’s heat. If they handle it the event as it seems to be playing out, a man who went crazy, and remain calm, this will pass over and will go a long way in soothing some very unsettled nerves.
I may be wrong but after the McVeigh bombing, I noticed a more low keyed approach to handling difficult situations. The ATF, which is considered the one agency nobody wanted folded into their bigger department, seemed to have quieted down a little. This was probably part of McVeigh’s motivation. I understand their feelings, I just don’t agree with them or their methods. Violence against people who work for the government is not the answer. Changing the policies of the government by voting out the offenders is the best method. However, if the government loses its collective mind and becomes violent itself, then all bets are off. I think that was the message they learned back in the nineties and I hope have remembered up till today.
When citizens and the government start shooting at each other, nobody wins.
Greg commented:
I’m waiting for final confirmation of his right wing extremism to be confirmed by the New York Times interviewing an unidentified source who saw him at the big Tea Party gathering in Washington DC last fall and this witness specifically recalls that Joseph Stack definitely picked up all his trash. We all know that the extremist Tea Party wackos cleaned up after themselves compared to the garbage that patriotic liberals left at the President’s inauguration. Pulitzer Prize reporting probably being written by Ms. Dowd or Paul Krugman at this very moment!!! David Brooks will get a Front Page spot on Sunday explaining that Republicans have no choice but to openly reject the Tea Party movement once and for all.
GreggerG commented:
They have recovered the body. Janet Napolitano can now claim that the system worked.