Iranian Regime Celebrates Revolution Day By Parading Effigy of Obama With Pi$$ Buckets In Azadi Square
Posted by Jim Hoft on Thursday, February 11, 2010, 6:09 AM
How’s that hopey changey stuff working out?
The Iranian regime celebrated Revolution Day today by torching American flags and parading effigies of Barack Obama down the streets of Tehran.
(ISNA)
That new policy of reaching out to the killer regime has worked wonders this past year.
(ISNA)
Oops! There goes another effigy up in flames.
(ISNA)
The regime paraded a green effigy of Barack Obama with pi$$ buckets in Azadi Square.
(ISNA)
Obama = Liar
(ISNA)
Huh?
(ISNA)
The day would not be complete without a few torched US flags.
(ISNA)
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down with dems commented:
Frankly, I love the Obama-as-Pinocchio … couldn’t be more accurate.
BarbaraS commented:
More than likely hatred of Obama is the only thing the regime and the dissidents agree on.
Josh Reiter commented:
Apparently they hate Shrek as well. What no hate for Bert and Ernie this time?
aprilnovember811 commented:
He’s lying to them too?
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olm commented:
Is this our punch?
Taqiyyotomist commented:
Well, to be fair, they do hate the BBC. Gotta give ‘em that.
Seriously, though. How many of those people are holding those signs and marching under duress? This is a “potemkin” demonstration, as usual. March or face the baton.
Auntie Em commented:
The only difference between the Iranian Regime and Progressive Parasites of America is that the Regime can see and are allowed to say that obama is a liar.
DomesticGoddess commented:
Hmmm – wonder what they know that we don’t know………..
Scott commented:
Heh, looks like they got their W’s mixed up on that big US Flag:
“DoWn with U.S.A.”
Incompetence all around.
Andreas K. commented:
Awwww.
Poor little Barrack! Nobody loves him!
myna commented:
Pinochio portrayal sounds about right.
Taqiyyotomist commented:
Note the photo credits.
We see what the Iranian government wants us to see.
I’d like to see some photos taken by the people.
Atomic Lib Smasher commented:
DAMN TEABAGGERS MUSTVE GOT TO IRAN!!!!11 DAMN BOOOOSH! /DU mode.
Seriously though…. where’s the Hope N’ Change there? Nowhere….Iran has already enriched uranium and it’ll be too damn late because we have a Coward In Chief sitting in the Oval Office either too damn scared or too stupid to do anything about it.
greenfairie commented:
LOL at the Shrek mask! What did Shrek ever do to these people??
Corporal Vere commented:
Remarkable!
I never imagined there would be anything on which the filthy pagans and I would agree.
avery commented:
I see Omaba got the whole world to Love us.
bg commented:
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flashback to 11/08
an example of how absurd the MSM et al dreams
of Obama were.. and a couple of revelations..
Iran’s youths would back Barack Obama over Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
[Mr Obama’s victory has changed all that. At a stroke, America’s cultural appeal now extends all the way to the charisma and oratorical prowess of its new leader.
Even the full name of the president-elect, Mubarack Hussein Obama, might be calculated to appeal to Iran’s youth. Hussein was the revered founder of the Shia tradition of Islam, while every Muslim knows that Mubarack is Arabic for "Blessed".
When Tehran’s leaders claim that America is leading a "crusade" to wipe out the Muslim faith, young Iranians will know that Mr Obama’s father was a Muslim and the new president spent some of his childhood in Indonesia, the world’s largest Muslim country, where he attended a "Madrassa", or Islamic college. They will also know that Mr Obama opposed the invasion of Iraq.
[..]
Perhaps most tellingly of all, Kenya has declared a national holiday to celebrate his victory. Ten years ago, Kenya was the scene of al-Qaeda’s first massive attack when a bomb in the centre of Nairobi killed 224 people. This is a country with a large Muslim minority and a long history
of Islamist extremism.
Yet Kenyans have united to fete an American president. Before he has even taken office, Mr Obama has achieved this triumph of “soft power”.]
{we now know his full name is Mubarack, perhaps (amongst other maybe’s) that is why he’s hiding his BC.. know he attended special
Koran classes, didn’t know it was an Isamic college..}
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Pat the First commented:
Okay, it is February 11th. Didn’t both the Ayatollah and Dinnerjacket say something about something major happening today? Is this it?
bg commented:
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Obama’s Norouz Message to Iran
an fyi: while he may have spoken some truths, the fact
remains, he also outright lied throughout that speech..
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Jayne commented:
Wonder if our Pravda media will even show these images of Barry. I doubt it, would love to be proven wrong.
Tom commented:
Yeah, what happened to that nuclear strike on Israel people were worrying about? Any change the Iranian government is issuing empty threats in order to divert attention from its own weaknesses?
Taqiyyotomist commented:
bg, have I ever told you how much I love your posts?
I don’t know whether to believe some of them, but I still love them. I don’t know where you dig up some of this stuff, but it’s always some provocative, thought-provoking, and obscure nuggets of info.
As I say, I take some of it with a grain of salt, like the “Mubarack” comment, but still, I would rather have GP with your comments than without. They’re like a bonus feature and I look forward to them.
Taqiyyotomist commented:
I do think that this potemkin demonstration IS the punch he was talking about.
Good. I would love to be wrong.
Even so, it’s a slow train, but it’s coming.
These are the photos the regime wants us to see. Telling are #4, burning the flags of the world, and the one with the rockets.
We may say “same old, same old” but the boy who cries “Wolf!” in this case is the wolf. He knows that he can keep crying “Wolf” until we are complacent, as always, and sleep. Because, you know, same old, same old.
Franco commented:
The MSM would KILL for just one of these images at a Tea Party, but since it isn’t from some domestic nut job and comes from a regime-sponsored protest event, it’s meaningless. Nothing to see here folks….
bg commented:
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uh, that first photo is very troubling..
to me it looks like it depicts Obama’s beheading of
America, Lady Liberty being the representative..
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Texmom commented:
They do know how to throw a party, don’t they? Good times…
Tim commented:
Maybe pissing off the Iranians is part of Obama’s stimulus plan, the more American made flags they burn the better?
Jacknhoo commented:
I would never have thought I would have common ground with Iranians, regarding the opinion of the President of the United States of America. But, sadly, I must agree with them.
Obama is the most dubious person to ever have held any political position in the USA.
Read more about this dubious man at:
The Obama File
http://www.theobamafile.com/
Taqiyyotomist commented:
Damn, bg. Hadn’t even noticed that.
That is unsettling. Because, well… ?
There are so many layers here, of deceptions.
Who is this? and is that sign also potemkin, that is, regime-sponsored/coerced? Is Obama a Muslim and they know this? Or is that a non-sanctioned image, because the others are all burning effigies of Obama, and wouldn’t the beheading of America be a GOOD thing to them?
It’s hard to figure how to take this image.
It would be inappropriate at a tea-party, with kids around, (tame compared to Bush-vampire-hitler for 8 years, but still…we don’t need bloody images of Obama beheading Lady Liberty….even if it’s the damn truth.)
That’s what’s unsettling, that the dude’s poster depicts the truth. But if that’s the case, why are they also burning Obama in effigy? Something doesn’t fit. And that something is the fact that there are also a WHOLE LOT of counter-demonstrators mixed in, because EVERYONE out there is there because the Government told them, GO OUT and protest….only some have different, illegal, messages. This may be one of those.
bg commented:
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aprilnovember811 @ 10:31 am #4
the picture of PinOcchiO may seem to mean
one thing to US, but quite another to them..
they all lie, deceit is a political tool sanctioned by the Koran..
disclaimer: fact is, what we fail to recognize is they do speak truths,
their truths, they believe what they say, just because we infidels do
not believe what they believe, doesn’t make their truths lies..
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Taqiyyotomist commented:
I bet the text on the side of those rockets doesn’t contain a lot of brotherly love and peace.
bg commented:
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Taqiyyotomist @ 11:26 am #23
wow, thank you..
i look for yours too, you don’t
mix your words, i like that..
so right back at ya..
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Taqiyyotomist commented:
I’ll admit to being a bit rantish at times.
Not to mention hyper-tangential, focus not being one of my stronger points.
BigJ commented:
@Scott #10: I wonder if the big “W” is a reference to Dubya? I guess it’s unlikely, though, since he’s been out of office for over a year.
pamlinson commented:
Ok you guys it’s like Global Warming….it just “looks” like they hate our guts, but in reality they hate us so much they actually love us. We’ve got Mr.Personality in charge, and don’t you know – butterflies and rainbows fly out of his ass? Stupid kuckledraggers.
down with dems commented:
Here’s my theory on the big W in DoWn. Note the next word in the phrase “DoWn with U.S.A” is “with” … someone probably grabbed the capital W meant for “With” and put it in “Down” making it “DoWn with” instead of “Down With”… OOPS!
Also note the lack of a period at the end of “U.S.A”
Pretty shoddy work.
Finncrisp commented:
America will always be hated by “friend” and foe alike. What we have has not existed for anyone else in the history of mankind; Barry keeps trying to make us like everyone else; Let’s pray he does not succeed.
bg commented:
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Taqiyyotomist @ 11:52 am #31
Obama is tanking on defense of America
via his outright coddling of the enemy..
ergo, he needs to solicit support from his brethren to keep the deception going.. in case you haven’t noticed, and i’ve mentioned this before, every time Obama finds himself in a tight squeeze, one of his foreign buds pipes up against him in one unbelievably clownish way or another..
or as Solaratov puts it..
Oh!
Look!
Over there!
A butterfly chasing a unicorn!
Watch the butterfly!
i’d say their butterfly distraction tactics work
overwhelmingly good for them, ergo, Obama..
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The Elector of Saxony commented:
“Ok you guys it’s like Global Warming….it just “looks” like they hate our guts, but in reality they hate us so much they actually love us.”
Ahh, I just got out my Newspeak dictionary and you are right! I always forget to look up world events like blizzards, hurricanes, terror attacks in my Obama-approved, Progressive, NewSpeak dictionary. It says right on the first page; “freedom is slavery, cold is hot, weather is not the same as climate, terrorists are freedom fighters, death is choice, and hate IS love!”
Mongo commented:
The pictures remind me of Jimmah Cahtah’s hostage crisis. 444 days … but it gave us Ronald Reagan.
At lunch with a liberal friend of mine at that time we were discussing the hostage crisis. He couldn’t think of a solution. I could. Napalm.
(burn baby burn, Disco Inferno! burn baby burn, burn that motha down…)
MochaLite commented:
That’s it? That’s the punch? Pretty lame, if you ask me.
David Hoft commented:
I don’t know why some of you think any of this is funny. No matter what party you support. You should not get joy out of seeing our national flag and/or president images and symbols being burned and ridiculed. That is amazing that people in our own country feel that way.
bg commented:
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Taqiyyotomist @ 11:52 am #31
re: [Damn, bg. Hadn't even noticed that.]
well, i did because i cannot get my mind off of Obama’s unwarranted low-fly-over Manhattan, and the picture that was taken of the plane
over the Statue of Liberty in the background shortly after yet another announcement that OBL was dead.. albeit i believe OBL has been dead since 2005, i also believe it was more of a tribute in remembrance of OBL’s supposed death..
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bg commented:
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ps re: bg #45
lets never forget that the 9/11 hijackers traveled via Iran..
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jenny commented:
Epic Fail #1243. Obama was going to make them love us. What the heck happened? They didn’t get the memo I guess.
bg commented:
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re: bg #27
looks to me like GWB’s head below Obama’s elbow holding Lady
Liberties decapitated head, would love to see the entire poster..
re: bg @ #40
via (ISNA) link:
no O’Pinocchio here..
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bg commented:
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searched all the pics, other than the one
GP posted, no O’Pinnocio to be seen..
so i highly doubt that it wasn’t photo shopped to use for propaganda..
but here’s one that most likely isn’t & much easier to believe is real..
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bg commented:
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a few more via ISNA link:
one..
two
three
there are several more, but none with O’Pinnocio anywhere in sight..
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Tom commented:
bg, regarding your comment #46:
The report you refer to just says that al Qaeda members may have traveled through Iran because Iran doesn’t stamp visas into passports. It doesn’t say that Iran gave al Qaeda any different treatment than Iran gives every other traveler. In other words, it doesn’t say that Iran was trying to aid al Qaeda — just that al Qaeda took advantage of Iran’s method of passport control. Just like al Qaeda took advantage of our own methods of passport control, airport security, etc. You can’t blame Iran for that any more than you can blame the U.S.
S. Wolf commented:
bg #40
Those paintings look as though he were having sex with the unicorn. Which reminded me of Islam’s rules for having SEX WITH ANIMALS.
bg commented:
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Tom @ 1:46 pm #52
that’s all there was to it, really??
re: bg #46
[Did Iran Train Al-Qaeda?
Between 1991 and 1996, Osama bin Laden lived in Sudan where he was protected by Hassan Abdullah at-Turabi, the leader of Sudan's National Islamic Front, an Islamist movement. According to the 9-11 Commission, Sudanese officials facilitated meetings between al-Qaeda operatives and Iranian officials, a relationship which blossomed into tactical training:
Turabi sought to persuade Shiites and Sunnis to put aside their divisions and join against the common enemy. In late 1991 or 1992, discussions in Sudan between al Qaeda and Iranian operatives led to an informal agreement to cooperate in providing support—even if only training—for actions carried out primarily against Israel and the United States. Not long afterward, senior al Qaeda operatives and trainers traveled to Iran to receive training in explosives. In the fall of 1993, another such delegation went to the Bekaa Valley in Lebanon for further training in explosives as well as in intelligence and security. Bin Ladin reportedly showed particular interest in learning how to use truck bombs such as the one that had killed 241 U.S. Marines in Lebanon in 1983. The relationship between al Qaeda and Iran demonstrated that Sunni-Shia divisions did not necessarily pose an insurmountable barrier to cooperation in terrorist operations.]
a few more sample’s:
Iran admits holding al Qaeda operatives
“Ties Between Al-Qaeda and Iran”
Al Qaeda in Iran
your point was what??
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bg commented:
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S. Wolf @ 1:55 pm #53
truth sarc on/
oh that’s just perversion..
this isn’t..
["A man can marry a girl younger than nine years of age, even if the girl
is still a baby being breastfed. A man, however is prohibited from having intercourse with a girl younger than nine, other sexual act such as forplay, rubbing, kissing and sodomy is allowed. A man having intercourse with a girl younger than nine years of age has not comitted a crime, but only an infraction, if the girl is not permanently damaged. If the girl, however, is permanently damaged, the man must provide for her all her life. But this girl will not count as one of the man's four permanent wives. He also is not permitted to marry the girl's sister."]
Undercover Mosque
/truth sarc off
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The Elector of Saxony commented:
“I don’t know why some of you think any of this is funny.”
No one thinks these demonstrations are funny. They are symptomatic of a very grave security crisis for the United States, Europe, and Israel. The funny part is that we were told that by electing a black, internationalist, multiculturalist President, that the world would swoon at our feet, and beat their chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons into windmills and monorail systems. We are laughing at the main stream media, and the International Socialist wing of the Democrat Party, who thought that because they were so smart, so decent, so tolerant, so anti-American, that the whole world would lift its voice as one in songs of peace. Super. Duper. Fail. (As usual)
Tom commented:
bg, my point was that you said the 9/11 hijackers traveled via Iran, and linked to a website that said Iran gave al Qaeda passports special treatment. But the website cited pages from the 9/11 Commission report that DON’T say Iran gave al Qaeda travelers special treatment. So the report doesn’t support your implication that Iran intentionally assisted the travel of the 9/11 hijackers.
Look, I think people are drawn to this site because it offers information that’s not usually available in mainstream media. There’s real value in a place where people can get information which isn’t available elsewhere. Don’t pollute it with misrepresentations. There are plenty of those elsewhere.
And no, I’m not going to chase down every rabbit hole you point to. You’ve already demonstrated your willingness to misrepresent the facts. I think I’ll let objective readers decide for themselves whether you’re a credible source.
bg commented:
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ps: Tom #52
re: bg #46
[Iranian Support for the 9/11 Terrorists
Iranian support for Al-Qaeda continued to increase, even as Clinton administration officials sought to extend an olive branch to the Islamic Republic. The 9-11 Commission documented at length Iran's continuing assistance to Al-Qaeda and recommended that the U.S. government further investigate Iranian links to Al-Qaeda:
[Later in November, two future muscle hijackers, Satam al Suqami and Majed Moqed, flew into Iran from Bahrain. In February 2001, Khalid al Mihdhar may have taken a flight from Syria to Iran, and then traveled further within Iran to a point near the Afghan border.
KSM [Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the alleged mastermind of the 9-11 attacks who is now in custody] and [Ramzi] Binalshibh [an al Qaeda operative captured in Pakistan a year after the attacks who acknowledged a planning role] have confirmed that several of the 9/11 hijackers (at least eight, according to Binalshibh) transited Iran on their way to or from Afghanistan, taking advantage of the Iranian practice of not stamping Saudi passports. They deny any other reason for the hijackers’ travel to Iran. They also deny any relationship between the hijackers and Hezbollah.
In sum, there is strong evidence that Iran facilitated the transit of al Qaeda members into and out of Afghanistan before 9/11, and that some of these were future 9/11 hijackers. There also is circumstantial evidence that senior Hezbollah operatives were closely tracking the travel of some of these future muscle hijackers into Iran in November 2000. However, we cannot rule out the possibility of a remarkable coincidence—that is, that Hezbollah was actually focusing on some other group of individuals traveling from Saudi Arabia during this same time frame, rather than the future hijackers.]
you were saying??
oh that’s right, you’re not into discernment, sorry, but cherry picking
& attacking doesn’t work anymore (Alinsky wasn’t all that ya know)..
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bg commented:
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Tom @ 2:24 pm #57
re: [bg, my point was that you said the 9/11 hijackers traveled via Iran, and linked to a website that said Iran gave al Qaeda passports special treatment. But the website cited pages from the 9/11 Commission report that DON’T say Iran gave al Qaeda travelers special treatment. So the report doesn’t support your implication that Iran intentionally assisted the travel of the 9/11 hijackers.]
what are you rambling on about, i posted one link @ bg #46 about Iran’s 9/11 links to al Qaeda, which is what you’re isolated beef is all about.. get real or get lost..
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Tom commented:
“taking advantage of the Iranian practice of not stamping Saudi passports…”
bg, do you even read this stuff you’re posting? Al Qaeda operatives who are Saudi citizens take advantage of Iran’s passport control policy, and you want to blame Iran for it? Then I guess the U.S. is to blame too, since we let these folks into the country, let them board the airplanes with box cutters, etc.
And yes, that extended quote in your last post comes from the same site that misrepresented the findings of the 9/11 Commission.
bg commented:
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Tom @ 2:43 pm #60
re: [bg, do you even read this stuff you’re posting?]
bg
February 11th, 2010 | 12:52 pm | #46
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ps re: bg #45
lets never forget that the 9/11 hijackers traveled via Iran..
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yes, i most certainly do..
re: [And yes, that extended quote in your last post comes from the
same site that misrepresented the findings of the 9/11 Commission.]
that’s your opinion, and i only posted
ONE site = Middle East Quarterly..
Iran’s Link to Al-Qaeda: The 9-11 Commission’s Evidence
AND A LINK TO YOUR REBUTTAL OF THE
9/11 COMMISSIONS EVIDENCE PLEASE..
as your opinions (or whatever the
heck they are) facts do not make..
thankyouverymuch..
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S. Wolf commented:
bg #55 LOL It is all perversion to me.
Tom #57
“And no, I’m not going to chase down every rabbit hole you point to. You’ve already demonstrated your willingness to misrepresent the facts. I think I’ll let objective readers decide for themselves whether you’re a credible source.”
We have. He is. He doesn’t misrepresent, you do.
Tom commented:
S. Wolf, here’s the cited section of the 9/11 Commission Report.
“It was well-known, for example, that if a Saudi traveled to Afghanistan via Pakistan, then on his return to Saudi Arabia his passport, bearing a Pakistani stamp, would be confiscated. So operatives either erased the Pakistani visas from their passports or traveled through Iran, which did not stamp visas directly into passports.”
The report says elsewhere that this was not preferential treatment for al Qaeda people, mentioning that al Qaeda was simple “taking advantage of the Iranian practice of not stamping Saudi passports.”
Here’s what bg’s favorite website says about the 9/11 Commission’s findings:
“While Iranian border officials normally stamp passports, they made an exception for many Al-Qaeda terrorists.”
That’s misrepresenting the facts.
bg commented:
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9/11 Commission Finds Ties Between al-Qaeda and Iran
[A senior U.S. official told TIME that the Commission has uncovered evidence suggesting that between eight and ten of the 14 "muscle" hijackers—that is, those involved in gaining control of the four 9/11 aircraft and subduing the crew and passengers—passed through Iran in the period from October 2000 to February 2001. Sources also tell TIME that Commission investigators found that Iran had a history of allowing al-Qaeda members to enter and exit Iran across the Afghan border. This practice dated back to October 2000, with Iranian officials issuing specific instructions to their border guards—in some cases not to put stamps in the passports of al-Qaeda personnel—and otherwise not harass them and to facilitate their travel across the frontier. The report does not, however, offer evidence that Iran was aware of the plans for the 9/11 attacks.]
Assistance from Hezbollah and Iran to al Qaeda
[Khallad and other detainees have described the willingness of Iranian officials to facilitate the travel of al Qaeda members through Iran, on their way to and from Afghanistan. For example, Iranian border inspectors would be told not to place telltale stamps in the passports of these travelers. Such arrangements were particularly beneficial to Saudi members of al Qaeda.
[..]
In mid-November, we believe, three of the future muscle hijackers, Wail al Shehri, Waleed al Shehri, and Ahmed al Nami, all of whom had obtained their U.S. visas in late October, traveled in a group from Saudi Arabia to Beirut and then onward to Iran. An associate of a senior Hezbollah operative was on the same flight that took the future hijackers to Iran. Hezbollah officials in Beirut and Iran were expecting the arrival of a group during the same time period. The travel of this group was important enough to merit the attention of senior figures in Hezbollah.
[..]
In sum, there is strong evidence that Iran facilitated the transit of al Qaeda members into and out of Afghanistan before 9/11, and that some of these were future 9/11 hijackers. There also is circumstantial evidence that senior Hezbollah operatives were closely tracking the travel of some of these future muscle hijackers into Iran in November 2000. However, we cannot rule out the possibility of a remarkable coincidence-that is, that Hezbollah was actually focusing on some other group of individuals traveling from Saudi Arabia during this same time frame, rather than the future hijackers.]
exactly what did the link i posted, or anything i’ve posted,
state that disagrees with the 9/11 Commission findings??
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Tom commented:
sorry… that should read “simply,” not “simple”
bg commented:
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Tom @ 3:20 pm #63
re: [That’s misrepresenting the facts.]
no Tom, par your course, you’re the one who is misrepresenting the facts, not to mention my words, but then again that’s nothing new for you with or w/out a W..
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Tom commented:
bg, here’s the paragraph from that section you forgot to quote. It appears right before the paragraph beginning “In sum”:
“KSM and Binalshibh have confirmed that several of the 9/11 hijackers (at least eight, according to Binalshibh) transited Iran on their way to or from Afghanistan, taking advantage of the Iranian practice of not stamping Saudi passports. They deny any other reason for the hijackers’ travel to Iran. They also deny any relationship between the hijackers and Hezbollah.”
bg commented:
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Tom,
for you to carry on with nothing but your twisted version of what has been
stated via your opinion to back you up tells me someone posted something in a previous thread that you’re desperate to bury..
i’m done, the facts don’t need me to back them up..
carry on with your foolish self..
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Tom commented:
Huh? Someone posted something in a previous thread that I’m desperate to bury? I’m not following you.
bg commented:
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correction re: bg #68
in a previous thread = in a previous post
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Tom commented:
So what is it that I’m so desperate to bury?
Chisum commented:
Tom,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xh_9QhRzJEs
It’s the only explanation.
bg commented:
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Tom,
no matter how much fun is made of me,
i am not not letting you off the hook..
exactly what did the link i posted, or anything i’ve posted,
state that disagrees with the 9/11 Commission findings??
AND A LINK TO YOUR REBUTTAL OF THE 9/11
COMMISSIONS EVIDENCE I POSTED PLEASE..
exactly how did the 9/11 Commission Report
differ with the Middle East Quarterly info??
just the facts, please keep your imaginary
notions to yourself, thankyouverymuch..
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Tom commented:
bg, go read post #63 again. I don’t think I can be any more clear than that.
So, bg… what is it you think I’m desperate to bury?
bg commented:
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Tom @ 4:14 pm #74
no.. you read the 9/11 Commissions report in it’s entirety, not cherry picking & presenting an “out of context” argument to make your lame comparison point..
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Tom commented:
bg, you’re the one omitting crucial paragraphs from the 9/11 Commission Report, and citing websites which misrepresent its findings.
But back to the point you seem to be avoiding now… The coverup theory. What am I trying to bury?
bg commented:
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Tom @ 4:24 pm #76
no i’m not, you’re excluding crucial info, that when
put in context, annihilates your lame comparison..
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bg commented:
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Tom @ 3:42 pm #71
[So what is it that I’m so desperate to bury?]
since it’s obvious who’s side you’re on,
could be a number of things, so you tell
me??
not answering any more of your distraction
questions until you answer mine in #73..
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Tom commented:
bg, I’ve answered your question a few times now. Sorry if you think my answer isn’t clear.
There’s nothing I’m trying to cover up — on the contrary, I just wanted to bring information to light. The relationship between Iran and the U.S. is obviously a very high-stakes poker game, so I want to be sure that we’re looking at the facts accurately and hearing all reasoned points of view. I’m sure you’ll agree that a mistake in this area could be very costly.
bg, I think it’s obvious by now that you and I are not going to come to agreement. What do you say we agree to disagree, shake hands like gentlemen, and stop filling this thread with our back-and-forth?
bg commented:
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Tom @ 4:48 pm #79
lets be clear here..
i am not interested in your comparison opinion..
you did not factually answer any questions..
please post any direct conflict of information from the Middle
East Quarterly link vs the 9/11 Commission Findings link..
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Tom commented:
Already done in post #63. Just because you refuse to see it doesn’t mean it isn’t there.
Are we finished now?
bg commented:
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Tom @ 5:16 pm #81
re: #63 [While Iranian border officials normally stamp passports, they made an exception for many Al-Qaeda terrorists.]
The following are excerpts from the 9/11 Commission Report, an unclassified version of which was released to the public on July 22,
2004
[In 1996, after the Taliban seized power, Osama bin Laden relocated to Afghanistan where he established a number of terrorist training camps. Al-Qaeda training attracted a steady stream of young Islamists, many of whom transited Iran. While Iranian border officials normally stamp passports, they made an exception for many Al-Qaeda terrorists. The 9-11 Commission explained how this facilitated Al-Qaeda operations:]
again..
[..] Khallad and other detainees have described the willingness of Iranian officials to facilitate the travel of al Qaeda members through Iran, on their way to and from Afghanistan. For example, Iranian border inspectors would be told not to place telltale stamps in the passports of these travelers. Such arrangements were particularly beneficial to Saudi members of al Qaeda.
[..]
In sum, there is strong evidence that Iran facilitated the transit of al Qaeda members into and out of Afghanistan before 9/11, and that some
of these were future 9/11 hijackers.]
okay, so as not to copy & paste the entire thing so you can read it in context.. please tell me exactly where you believe the conflict is.. my
bet is you’re just playing your usual cherry picking out of context merry-go-round to nowhere semantics game just to prove your lame comparison is correct, something i dare say a kindergartner could understand, because it is in & of itself.. but you chose to take it & make something out of context with it.. hello??
newsflash, your lame comparison is
what is a misrepresentation here..
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bg commented:
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clarification: bg #82
re: [because it is in & of itself.. but you chose to take it & make something out of context with it.. hello??]
because it is in & of itself IT IS.. but you chose to take it & make something out of context with it.. hello??
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bg commented:
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Tom #81
re: [Are we finished now?]
i certainly hope so..
like i said, the facts don’t need me to back them up..
no misrepresentaion was made by either me or the MEQ link..
on the other hand however, you most certainly did..
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bg commented:
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uhg, sorry, was in a rush, clarification
& typo correction re: #84
no misrepresentation was made by either me or the MEQ link..
on the other hand however, you most certainly did MISREPRESENT..
okay, i’m done..
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Tom commented:
bg, you keep quoting Middle East Quarterly as if it were the 9/11 Commission Report. Are you not clear on the difference? You keep quoting the bit about special treatment for al Qaeda passports as if it’s from the 9/11 Commission Report. It’s not.
According to the 9/11 Report, some detainees, like Khallad, say that Iranian government officials were willing to not stamp their passports. (I have to say, the 9/11 Commission Report is frustratingly vague on many points, including this one. It says, “Iranian border inspectors would be told not to place telltale stamps in the passports of these travelers.” Um… Told by WHOM? Told by the travelers themselves? Told by the Grand Ayatollah? It kind of matters. I would guess officials working on the eastern border of Iran are heavily underpaid and easy to bribe, but the bottom line is we don’t know exactly what the report means.)
Other detainees, like KSM, say the Iranian government didn’t help:
“KSM and Binalshibh have confirmed that several of the 9/11 hijackers (at least eight, according to Binalshibh) transited Iran on their way to or from Afghanistan, taking advantage of the Iranian practice of not stamping Saudi passports. They deny any other reason for the hijackers’ travel to Iran. They also deny any relationship between the hijackers and Hezbollah.”
So which set of tortured terrorists should we believe? You’ve chosen to believe those that say Iranian passport officials helped. You ignore those that say the Iranian government didn’t help. The Middle East Quarterly website apparently draws the same conclusion as you:
“While Iranian border officials normally stamp passports, they made an exception for many Al-Qaeda terrorists.”
(Remember that’s NOT the language of the 9/11 Commission Report. That’s the language of the Middle East Quarterly.)
The 9/11 Commission doesn’t come to the same conclusion as you and Middle East Quarterly. It simply says there is evidence that Iran “facilitated the transit” of terrorists in and out of Afghanistan. It doesn’t say that it definitely happened, or that the Iranian government did so deliberately or consciously. It uses the vague word “facilitated” without explaining what that means. But, significantly, the report DOESN’T completely discount the account of some detainees that they were simply taking advantage of Iran’s passport control policy. The Middle East Quarterly totally ignores that inconvenient fact and so do you.
Bear in mind, the 9/11 Commission reports:
“We have found no evidence that Iran or Hezbollah was aware of the planning for what later became the 9/11 attack.”
So what does the 9/11 Commission Report say? Maybe Iranian passport officers intentionally helped people move in and out of Afghanistan, and maybe they didn’t. No firm conclusion either way. But the Commission did conclude one thing: there’s no evidence that Iran (or Hezbollah) knew about the 9/11 plot.
So what’s the relevance of the 9/11 terrorists traveling through Iran? Is it any more significant than the fact they also traveled through Boston and New York? Only if Iranian officials were intentionally helping al Qaeda, and the 9/11 Commission Report doesn’t conclude that they were. What it does state clearly is that there’s no evidence that Iranian officials knew about the 9/11 plot.
Let me be clear about my own point of view. I have no love for the Iranian government. I hope its days are numbered, and that the people of Iran don’t suffer too much during the transition. I just think that in this supercharged environment it’s important to distinguish between facts, theories, and opinions.
bg commented:
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9/11 Commission Report
Middle East Quarterly
undeniably the samo samo evidence,
and the facts speak for themselves..
i trust readers can discern facts from opinions for themselves..
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Gandalff commented:
Those Darn RIGHT WING IRANIANS! They just haven’t given OBAMA a CHANCE to spread his HOPE & CHANGE to their country TOO!
It is working out so well for the US that even Iranians know that Obama has beheaded the Statue of Liberty.
These Iranians are not watching MSMBC or CNN enough otherwise they would know that “It’s all good and Obama hasn’t gone GANSTA enough” He is just getting warmed up. Wait until he implements MARSHAL LAW! Can’t wait for chapter two of the Obama all the Time Show.
AuntieMadder commented:
Tom
February 11th, 2010 | 2:24 pm | #57
Look, I think people are drawn to this site because it offers information that’s not usually available in mainstream media. There’s real value in a place where people can get information which isn’t available elsewhere.
The comments to the blog posts don’t change the value of the posts one bit. So, instead of riding bg’s a$$, skip reading comments or at least skip reading bg’s comments. There. Your problem with bg is solved.
AuntieMadder commented:
bg, in the top photo, it looks like Obamao is upset as he holds the severed head of Lady Liberty. I don’t think it’s supposed to be a representation of him having severed her head, but, instead, of him discovering a beheaded Lady Liberty.
bg commented:
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LOL AuntieMadder @ 10:16 pm #91
hope your head isn’t hurting too much..
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bg commented:
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btw AuntieMadder..
his expression looks more like the one
on the guy standing next to the poster..
maybe he’s upset too..
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Gandalff commented:
@#91
Looks to me Like Obama is Whistling and just finnished a Left Handed Cigarette in the First Photo.
You have got to LOVE interpreted ART! Except it isn’t art but a condemnation of Mubarack and his polocies that effect the world economy as well as the United States. OR It could be that they see him taking the LAST FREE Nation on the Planet to offer Life, LIBERTY & the Pursuit of Happiness.
Where can they go now is more what that says to me.
Then again they are Muslims and they do enjoy cutting Heads of people and Countries and it may represent just that. They want to cut the HEAD off the most Powerful country (at least for now) and it’s leader.
S. Wolf commented:
bg #87
I got curious about the connections between Mubarack Hussein Obama, Iran and perhaps al Qaeda and did some lookup.
Ayatullah Hassan Qazwini Met Mubarack Hussein Obama
Hassan Al-Qazwini
“Hassan Al-Qazwini (born 1964) is the leader of the Islamic Center of America representing Twelver Shi’a branch of Islam in Detroit, Michigan, The largest mosques in North America. Imam Sayid Hassan Al-Qazwini was born in the city of Karbala, Iraq in 1964.”
Biography
“…In Kuwait, Sayid Hassan Al-Qazwini decided to pursue the path of his forefathers of becoming a scholar of Islam and religious leader. At that time, Saddam’s thirst for blood compelled him to penetrate and assail Kuwait. Therefore, at the inception of the Islamic Revolution in Iran, Al-Qazwini immigrated to Iran along with his family. In 1980, Al-Qazwini joined the Islamic Seminary in Qum, Iran, which is the largest Shi’a seminary in the world today.”
There are all sorts of layers here as someone above said.
bg commented:
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AuntieMadder..
since i cannot find another photo of O’Pinocchio, i believe it’s photo
shopped, and look at the fire & all that smoke they got going in the
3rd photo down, but no one is looking up at it??
aah, pehaps they’re all photo shopped, wouldn’t be the first time..
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bg commented:
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re: bg #96
LOL.. those cigars (or whatever they’re supposed to be) are also taller than all the wires running across the street for as far as the eye can see..
btw, i see flames acros one of the marchers
face, but he apparently doesn’t, go figure..
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bg commented:
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S. Wolf @ 10:35 pm #95
thumbsup!!
oh yes, when it comes to Obama, ties run deep on both sides of the Ocean..
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bg commented:
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re: bg #99
very deep indeed..
a bit more here..
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Aussie commented:
Iranian Astroturfers – and all for a bit of food….
Ugo commented:
Doesn’t Iran know that any anti-Obama posters are racist?
Where is the MSM calling the Iranians RACISTS for all these anti-Obama posters and effigies?
AuntieMadder commented:
bg
February 11th, 2010 | 10:23 pm | #92 & #93
Why would my head be hurting? Anyone here who’s ever read any comment I’ve ever posted should know that I hate Obamao and would never exert the energy necessary to get a headache from painting his ugly @$$ in a good light.
No, bg, the expression of the Obamao graphic in the sign doesn’t look anything at all like the expression of the man carrying the sign. The expression in the graphic looks like one of being perplexed, confused, and hurt. I’m not saying that Obamao gives a flying rat’s @$$ about America because he doesn’t. But the Iranians, whose propagandized news makes MSNBC look like amateurs, may not know that. In fact, it’s probably to Ahmadinnerjacket’s regime’s benefit to maintain that America is an enemy and threat to Iran and the Great Satan.
The other pics also suggest that Obamao has no fans or friends in Iran. (We know he doesn’t have any fans or friends among Iranians protesting the regime, either.) To them, he’s just another Islam-hating POTUS like all who came before him.
In another comment you addressed to me, you mentioned something about PhotoShopping the pics. I think you might have meant that comment for someone else.
bg commented:
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AuntieMadder @ 9:45 pm #103
re: [The other pics also suggest that Obamao has no fans or friends in Iran. (We know he doesn’t have any fans or friends among Iranians protesting the regime, either.) To them, he’s just another Islam-hating POTUS like all who came before him.]
you’re forgetting we don’t get all the news.. heck, we don’t even get
the half of it, and whatever portion we may get is full of outright lies, distortions, and omissions..
Iran’s youths would back Barack Obama over Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
[Even the full name of the president-elect, Mubarack Hussein Obama, might be calculated to appeal to Iran’s youth. Hussein was the revered founder of the Shia tradition of Islam, while every Muslim knows that Mubarack is Arabic for "Blessed".
When Tehran’s leaders claim that America is leading a "crusade" to wipe out the Muslim faith, young Iranians will know that Mr Obama’s father was a Muslim and the new president spent some of his childhood in Indonesia, the world’s largest Muslim country, where he attended a "Madrassa", or Islamic college. They will also know that Mr Obama opposed the invasion of Iraq.
When Tehran condemns America as a country riddled with racial prejudice,
Mr Obama’s presence in the White House will be the most eloquent rebuttal.]
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