Dems Call to Pass O-Care With Simple Up-or-Down Vote
Posted by Jim Hoft on Sunday, February 28, 2010, 11:38 PM
The radicals are going to ram it through…
Democrats called today to pass Obamacare and essentially nationalize one-sixth of the American economy with a simple up-or-down majority vote in the House and Senate.
The AP reported:
The White House called for a “simple up-or-down” vote on health care legislation Sunday as Speaker Nancy Pelosi appealed to House Democrats to get behind President Barack Obama’s chief domestic priority even it if threatens their political careers.
In voicing support for a simple majority vote, White House health reform director Nancy-Ann DeParle signaled Obama’s intention to push the Democratic-crafted bill under Senate rules that would overcome GOP stalling tactics.
Republicans unanimously oppose the Democratic proposals. Without GOP support, Obama’s only chance of emerging with a policy and political victory is to bypass the bipartisanship he promoted during his televised seven-hour health care summit Thursday.
“We’re not talking about changing any rules here,” DeParle said. “All the president’s talking about is: Do we need to address this problem and does it make sense to have a simple, up-or-down vote on whether or not we want to fix these problems?”
DeParle was optimistic that the president would have the votes to pass the massive bill. But none of legislation’s advocates who spoke on Sunday indicated that those votes were in hand.
Here is a website that lists the phone numbers of your Reps and Senators.
It’s time to act.
UPDATE: RedState offers a “reconciliation primer” on what we can expect on the Senate floor in the coming days.
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Jo commented:
Alinsky called for no more Daily backroom deals, but BOZODEATH ™ is such a plan Chicago Stylin’ by the Piglosi and co. The Re emergence of the 1920s Mafia is playing out in our modern 21 st century government by the CrimoCrats!
IOpian commented:
The governors that oppose this ought to propose a constitutional convention according to Article V specifically to reign in the abuse of power of this President and this Congress. Just getting this concept into the dialogue would at least signal that we are mad as hell and coming to the point where we aren’t going to take it anymore. It would also remind Pelosi, Reid and Obama who really holds the ultimate power in this country. Beauty of it is there is no specification that the attendees be politicians from the federal government. Not a thing they could do about it. We could amend any part of the Constitution we wanted like term limits, congressional procedures, define the scope of executive orders, limit the benefits they receive out of office or write a clarification of what ‘general welfare’ means.
JR commented:
If you want a clear, concise list of items for your letters and calls to your Congresscritter, check out this IBD editorial, which provides Congressman Ryan’s list from the healthcare conference last week:
http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=522446
“Rebuttals to Ryan? We’re Still Waiting”
sandy commented:
Mark Levin says there are enough holes in this bill to drive a truck through. If Obama gets his bill it could be tied up in the courts for years.
Redwine commented:
Hussein didn’t promote bipartisanship. His deal, as is Dominatrix Nancy’s deal and the democraps deals is totally “Our way or the highway”.
Oh, BTW, when will the GOP demand that Madame Nancy pay back taxpayers the $100K for booze and the untold hundreds or thousands of our hard-earned dollars for joyrides on military aircraft for herself and her family? Recently, ministers in the UK Parliament had to resign office for far less than that.
LiberalsMakeAmericaWeak&Poor commented:
So, I wonder if Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, plus the prez’, are aware that Rham-ming – sorry ramming – it through means that it presumably can be undone with a simple majority too?
That’s after the Senate and House go repub in November, and Obama is sinking into his new role as Jimmy Carter II in 2012 (i.e., one term wonder people don’t miss).
I’m sure that they’d argue that using reconciliation to undo the legislation is improper and immoral, being democrats the ends always justify the means, but still…
ogee commented:
According to the freak Farrakhan it’s not the health bill…
CHICAGO – Nation of Islam Minister Louis Farrakhan, boasting his divine stature, on Sunday predicted trouble ahead for President Barack Obama and urged him to do more to improve the lives of blacks and the downtrodden.
The 76-year-old leader said the “white right” was conspiring to make Obama a one-term president, and pointed to his stalled efforts to introduce health care legislation as proof. He said those opponents and lobbyists were trapping him into a future war with Iran that could lead to mass destruction.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100301/ap_on_re_us/us_nation_of_islam_farrakhan
LimoLibsStink commented:
0bama:
What is wrong?
I am going to ram 0bamacare through like a fist through Barney Franks butt. Sure, it is dirty stinking business – but it is my job.
My limousine is running and I have an interview with the Huffpo. I want them to know that I am doing exactly what they paid me to do. The White House sucks… I can’t see the teleprompter… that is better… I mean the White Right House sucks. I can’t wait to paint it pink – as in Code Pink! No, I can’t answer anymore questions. Good riddance.!
Snake eater commented:
These criminals act with impunity. We’re quickly nearing the moment when we start making them pay.
Reader commented:
I know some States are passing their own laws to possibly head off the disastrous results that this bill may have. Some say that some parts of it are illegal.
What is someone’s best guess if that the Republicans take back the Senate that this bill can be overturned.
I have heard a few things about this. One, is that Reid is putting in language that it can’t be ‘undone.’
Two, no matter if Reid did that, that if in 2010 the Senate had 67 votes it could be overturned.
Even the “experts” seem to disagree. Perhaps it will lead to the courts.
jerryl commented:
there are countless layers standing bye too fight this so it will be tied up in the courts for a long time
Chris Vehr commented:
The reason it hasn’t passed thus far is because the Democrats can’t get enough of their own to vote for it. So, the “annoited one” will flex his scrawny muscles and threaten those of his political ilk who want to vote it down…despite a clear message from a majority of the commoners that they don’t want it.
Obama is bad for this country!
Opus #6 commented:
Anybody who votes for this Leviathan bill will pay politically.
BigAlSouth commented:
It’s not the up or down vote that terrifies Dems. It’s the November in or out vote.
Militant Conservative commented:
AMEN bigAl,
The die is cast and Dems are trying to look nice before the election. We’re gonna have a rat killin in November. LOL ,see ya suckers.
bg commented:
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MA..
Back to the ObamaCare Future
[Mr. Patrick ad-libbed that he had "a whole bunch of pals here who are in the health-care field, and I saw the color drain out of their faces." Little wonder. The administered prices of Medicare and Medicaid already shift costs to private patients while below-cost reimbursement creates balance-sheet havoc among providers. Now the governor wants to import these distortions to save the state's heavily subsidized insurance program as costs explode.
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This is the true target of Mr. Patrick’s price controls: The goal is to engineer a cheaper system through brute force so government can pay
for health care for all. What inevitably suffers is the quality of care for individual patients. Thirty states imposed hospital rate setting in the 1970s and 1980s. Except for Maryland, every one of them eventually eliminated it—including Massachusetts, in 1991—partly because it didn’t control costs.
And partly because it killed people. A 1988 study in the Journal of
New England Medicine found that the states with the most stringent rate-setting had mortality rates 6% to 10% higher than those that didn’t.
All of this is merely a preview of what the entire country will face if Democrats succeed with their plan to pound ObamaCare into law in anything like its current form. Massachusetts is teaching the country a valuable lesson in how not to reform health care, if only anyone would
pay attention.]
RTWT..
go here, click on Review & Outlook: Back to the ObamaCare
Future with Massachusetts … to view entire article..
bottom line..
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bill-tb commented:
Venezuela or bust. Yeah Obama wants to be Hugo, the idiot.
We will be forever sorry they did this.
They ram it through, we ram it out. Democracies are unstable and don’t last long…
bg commented:
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ogee @ 1:59 am #8
[The 76-year-old leader said the "white right" was conspiring to make Obama a one-term president, and pointed to his stalled efforts to introduce health care legislation as proof. He said those opponents and lobbyists were trapping him into a future war with Iran that could lead
to mass destruction.]
it may sound unbelievable to us, but it is believed by hundreds of
millions of Islamist supporting Muslims (NOI, BLT, NBPP, TMB)..
Islamists Insert Themselves into Healthcare Debate
[Sometimes, under the right light, the least obvious can become the most revealing. With all the national attention to health care policy, as if there were not enough organizations weighing in on the health care debate, recently the Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC) sent out a position statement admonishing the American public and their Muslim members that the, "Health care debate impeded by intimidation and the politics of fear."
What is remarkable and at issue here, is certainly not the right of MPAC's leadership to have a personal opinion on health care policy. But what is most telling is how these Islamist organizations have a way of finding a way to worm themselves and their Islamization agenda into every political issue related to government under the name of Islam and Muslims. As is typical of Islamists, they exploit Muslim faith based organizations and their often unsuspecting supporters and members for their own very specific domestic and foreign policy agenda of the day. This agenda clearly and malignantly crosses the line of mosque and state in an aim to impose the Islamization of every topic related to the domain of government and public policy upon the Muslim community and ultimately the greater American community.
Does this ring a bell? It's the modus operandi of the Muslim Brotherhood (MB). They are a well known political party in Egypt with a specific political platform that has now metastasized around the world into hundreds of splinter groups with a headquarters also in London. Ultimately that political platform is Islamism (a.k.a. Political Islam). Islamism is specifically the desire to somehow put shar'iah law (Islamic jurisprudence) into place in government through a legal system not based in reason but rather based in clerical exegesis of Islamic jurisprudence. The Brotherhood is the predominant global face or front of that movement.]
more at link & here..
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Melvin Winter commented:
Obama channels Joe Pesci in this parody video: http://www.youtube.com/user/Optoons#p/u/1/nJUQN2juXck
JonahVark commented:
Can anybody spare a Viagra to send to Congress? It seems they are impotent and lack the courage to stand up against Obama’s usurpation of their Constitution responsibility of making the laws for the nation. By what authority does a president moderate a summit of Congress members in an attempt to push his agenda into becoming Federal law? The summit was a farce. By all means, send a Viagra to Congress. They need it more than you do.
bg commented:
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Democrats called today to pass Obamacare
translation:
we made an offer you can’t refuse..
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bg commented:
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JonahVark @ 12:23 pm #23
re: [By what authority does a president moderate a summit of Congress members in an attempt to push his agenda into becoming Federal law?]
sarc on/
the same one that allowed him to “chair” the UN:
nuclear disarmament & climate change summits..
/sarc off
a Grasshopper & ant NWO is well on it’s way..
MSM et al, crickets..
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BHG commented:
Reid and Pelosi obviously see the problem in the House. Pelosi’s pep talks/arm twisting means that she fears that no matter what the Senate does her colleagues aren’t going to like it. The whole country isn’t going to like what it sees on the floor of the Senate.
howdareyouaskformyname commented:
I don’t believe it is possible for Reid to bind future Senates from repealing this under normal rules. Otherwise everything would be passed requiring a super-majority to repeal if they thought they could get away with it.
The other thing the libs don’t understand is that they will never be allowed in polite company again. The country will be torn apart and I don’t mean just politically. The people who support this must be looked upon as what they are… a foreign occupying force. They must be made to pay a social sanction as such. We are past the point of pretending this is business as usual. It is not.
TxTenther commented:
Reader,
Reid inserted language in the Senate bill requiring a super-majority to repeal the federal health board being set up.
It’s bs. It can be repealed and dismantled with a simple majority.
As for ObamaCare in general, if Republicans take control of either house in November, ObamaCare can be defunded until we get both houses and the White House back. Then it can all be repealed thru reconciliation if need be.
TxTenther commented:
And, if the Dems do this and succeed, they will have throen Senate rules out the window…Meaning Republicans can use reconciliation to advance our agenda….Drilling in ANWR and offshore, nuclear power plants, eliminating the fed income tax, providing people with ownership of their Social Security, all kinds of things.
And the Dems won’t be able to say anything about it cuz, they started it.
bg commented:
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i’m not good at this, but i heard Rush state that “reconciliation” was meant to be used ONLY when it comes to “budget”.. as far as i know Obama Care is not a “budget” in that sense..
[Reconciliation is a legislative process in the United States Senate intended to allow consideration of a contentious budget bill without the threat of filibuster. Introduced in 1974, reconciliation limits debate and amendment, and therefore favors the majority party. Reconciliation also exists in the United States House of Representatives, but because the House regularly passes rules that constrain debate and amendment, the process has had a less significant impact on that body.
A reconciliation instruction (Budget Reconciliation) is a provision in a budget resolution directing one or more committees to submit legislation changing existing law in order to bring spending, revenues, or the debt-limit into conformity with the budget resolution. The instructions specify the committees to which they apply, indicate the appropriate dollar changes to be achieved, and usually provide a deadline by which the legislation is to be reported or submitted.
A reconciliation bill is one containing changes in law recommended pursuant to reconciliation instructions in a budget resolution. If the instructions pertain to only one committee in a chamber, that committee reports the reconciliation bill. If the instructions pertain to more than one committee, the House Budget Committee reports an omnibus reconciliation bill, but it may not make substantive changes in the recommendations of the other committees.
[..]
Congress has used the procedure to enact far-reaching omnibus budget bills, first in 1981. Since 1980, 17 of 23 reconciliation bills have been signed into law by Republican presidents (a Republican has been president for 20 of the last 29 years). Since 1980, reconciliation has been used nine times when Republicans controlled both the House and the Senate, six times when Democrats controlled both the House and the Senate, one time when the Democrats controlled the Senate and the Republicans the House, and seven times when the Republicans controlled the Senate and the Democrats controlled the House. Reconciliation has been used at least once nominally for a non-budgetary purpose (for example, see the College Cost Reduction and Access Act of 2007, when a Republican was president and the Democrats controlled Congress). The 1986 Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1985 (COBRA) contained some health care provisions.
The Byrd Rule (as described below) was adopted in 1985 and amended
in 1990. Its main effect has been to prohibit the use of reconciliation for provisions that would increase the deficit beyond 10 years after the reconciliation measure.]
[standard disclaimer: source Wikipedia]
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bg commented:
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LimoLibsStink @ 3:44 am #9
Obama Care/ Education/ Politics
samo samo..
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Ozark Lee commented:
Voting for this bill will indeed be suicide but the problem is that, so long as B.O. is in the White House, any attempt to roll it back will be vetoed. Even in the best Congressional scenario the Republicans will not have the votes to override the veto.
This needs to be killed now and that is where we need to focus – particularly in the house. I think that Ike Skelton can be flipped if his constitutions make enough noise and that could be a critical vote.
…Lee