Dems Announce Plans to Ram Through Obamacare with 51 Votes if Scott Brown Wins
Posted by Jim Hoft on Friday, January 15, 2010, 7:58 PM
Democrats tonight announced that they will likely ram Obamacare through the US Senate using the reconciliation process. This would allow democrats to nationalize one-sixth of the US economy wiith only 51 Senate Democrats voting for the bill.
(H/T ColdOne)
Bloomberg reported:
Even if Democrats lose the special election to pick a new Massachusetts senator Tuesday, Congress may still pass health-care overhaul through a process called reconciliation, a top House Democrat said.
That procedure requires 51 votes rather than the 60 needed to prevent Republicans from blocking votes on President Barack Obama’s top legislative priorities. That supermajority is at risk as the Massachusetts race has tightened.
“Even before Massachusetts and that race was on the radar screen, we prepared for the process of using reconciliation,” Chris Van Hollen of Maryland, chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, said.
“Getting health-care reform passed is important,” Van Hollen said in an interview on Bloomberg Television’s “Political Capital with Al Hunt,” airing this weekend. “Reconciliation is an option.”
Should Democrats take that route, the legislation would have to be scaled back because of Senate rules.
He also said he expects Democratic Senate candidate Martha Coakley to win in Massachusetts.
Van Hollen said Republican predictions that the political climate had changed so much that they can capture the 40 seats needed to regain control of the House was “pure hallucination.”
More… Martha Coakley’s internal poll for Thursday night showed her trailing Scott Brown by three points — 47 to 44 percent.
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davidt commented:
Gangsters.
manateespirit commented:
The Dems remind me of Jim Jones and his mode of operating. He was bent on self-destruction and he took his followers down with him. He even had the ones who didn’t go along with him or questioned him gunned down.
The Dems are destroying themselves. I hope the country can survive and rise from the ashes they will leave us in.
Patriotic commented:
Hey Democrats: Go ahead and try to ram Obamacare through, against the will of the American people….we dare you.
The American people have been warning you that 2010 is coming…and now it is here.
The people are ready to vote out as many Democrats as possible.
TaSS commented:
So much for we the people…more like we are going to ram this down your throat for the greater good.
So how has Marxism worked out?
Scrapiron commented:
Doing this could be the next shot heard around the world and lead to the total destruction of D.C.. A march on D.C. is coming that will not be forgotten in the next hundred years. It may result in a lot of land for sale since nothing would be left inside the beltway but vacant land.
mmm commented:
Thier actions are criminal !!
AReaganInMO commented:
Next paragraph starts with “Why would you hand the keys to the car back to the same guys whose policies drove the economy into the ditch and then walked away from the scene of the accident?” Van Hollen said.
I seem to remember someone doing just that only it was a lake, but he’s dead now and it’s his seat that they’re fighting for.
Dell commented:
Reconciliation has been talked about for some time and it IS the next step….if Martha Coakley loses in Massachusetts. And, after they’ve employed reconciliation, the pile of advertising material for the November and 2012 elections will be about a mile high.
I get the distinct impression we’ll be seeing a LOT of new faces inside the Beltway very soon.
pm commented:
The name of the horse Paul Revere rode on that famous midnight ride?
Brown Beauty.
Make it happen, fellow Patriots!
Dell commented:
You have to understand that reconciliation would give up to NINE Democrat Senators the option of voting “No” on Obama Care and, thus, possibly saving their political hide. If 60 of them HAVE to vote “Aye”, many of those 60 will be in dire straits come election day. So, this give at least a few an “out”, as it were.
Wordie commented:
Um…isn’t 51 votes what’s required in the Constitution for a bill to pass? It’s a little amusing that there’s so much sturm und drang over the prospect of the Dems using reconciliation. Why should it be wrong for the Dems to use a procedural strategy to make an end run around the GOP’s use of the filibuster…which is itself a procedural strategy?
Shame on those Dems for wanting to pass the health care legislation that they were elected by the people to pass! How can GOPers talk about the “will of the people” when they’re in the minority? Or do they think that election results are that some kind of Marxist plot too?
TheScribbler commented:
Wordie, you don’t get out much do you?
retired military commented:
Did you expect anything else to happen? Really?
TaSS commented:
Hmmmm wordie…are you familiar with the Byrd Act?
According to that, they can NOT use reconcilliation for acts that would increase the deficit beyond 10 years and at last count, this is not a deficit neutral bill.
Stephen Morgan commented:
He’s a promise to the Democrats. If they decide to take this route to cram the ObamaCare bill down our throats then they should expect a swift and immediate full scale revolt. They will be removed from office..by force if necessary…. Don’t tread on me !!
Dell commented:
Wordie, you’re waaaaay out of your league. Do some serious research – starting with the Constitution – and come on back when you know what you’re talking about.
Patriotic commented:
To: Wordie (post # 13)
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The answer is simple. When the American people elected Barack Obama, it was based on a “hope-and-change” that obama would be more transparent and be post-racial.
Electing Obama simply does not give the Democrats a mandate to ram any agenda they want, down the throats of the American people. A mandate is where an entity is given percieved permission to push an agenda, based on being transparent about what exactly that agenda is in the first place.
I don’t think you can honestly say that the Democrats have a mandate to do what they are trying to do, based on Obama being elected President.
Besides…if the Democrats had a so-called mandate-of-the-people, they wouldn’t be needing to send Obama into one of the most progressive States in the country, in order to campaign for Coakley right now.
Callipygian1 commented:
At this point I think the Democrats are so disjointed it would be laughable, if it wasn’t tragic. Nelson begging the Senate to remove the Nebraska stipulation… Barney Frank’s panic over health care failing if Coakley loses, Obama and Clinton meeting in Mass for coffee… and considering the high percentage of fruit loops in the oddministration, I sincerely hope that there is at least someone competent in charge of the Haiti rescue operations.
Kevin commented:
I heard Newt the other night say that if they tried to delay seating Scott Brown should he win, that there would be an uprising so powerful in this country that it would become “Ungovernable”, I think if they try to go the reconciliation route you will get the same result.
Obama is simply invested in his Marxist take over to the degree that he he is oblivious to the will of the citizens he was elected by. There were plenty of people who voted for Obama at any of the Tea Parties you care to name around the country– And a whole butt load of Dems in Massachusetts that will vote for Brown on Tuesday.
Pat the First commented:
I had read that the reconciliation method cannot be used unless it is a budget bill. Although this does affect the budget, it is not a “budget bill”.
Chisum commented:
Even his aides refer to BO as the “Black Jesus”.
One more from Game Change on Obama
Arrogant, sensitive to slights, bored with his job in the senate, and someone with a messianic self-image; a cold, calculating Chicago pol – all of this is of no interest to the MSM?
The Gatekeepers have been working very hard to ignore this.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/01/one_more_from_game_change_on_o.html
vikingTX commented:
Be careful with the “ungovernable” notion. It could be the catalyst that might be used by this administration to trigger martial law “for our own good.”
An attempt to declare a state of emergency would be interesting. Would the National Guard (who report to the state governors) really enforce Obama’s will?
sdan commented:
vikingtx: that question is probably why Obama signed an executive order to allow interpol to work within the United States without having to follow the same rules as our own law enforcement groups do.
Opus #6 commented:
Excellent comments on this thread. I didn’t know about the Byrd Act.
Kevin commented:
Viking, I could say with almost complete certainty they would not, if Obama is ever stupid enough to declare martial law under some transparent pretext he would find himself quickly on the wrong end of that decision.
I do not believe the armed forces would allow themselves to be turned on their own countrymen, I know for a fact law enforcement would not be a party to it.
retired military commented:
Wordie
“Um…isn’t 51 votes what’s required in the Constitution for a bill to pass?”
So lets ask the obvious.
If 51 votes werent an issue then why is there a discussion at all. I mean that is a logical extension of your statement.
Since there is a discussion that means that the above statement is not logical and therefore your premise is incorrect.
Logic and liberals dont mix so please try to keep up wordie.
Brian commented:
Huh? wordie is correct. Only the rules of the senate require this super majority, these rules aren’t in the constitution. Honestly the dems control the house and senate by wide majorities and have the presidency to boot. Elections do have consequences and the american people definitely indicated they wanted very bad people to run the country.
One problem we’ll have is that it may well take a super majority to even begin to undo the very bad stuff happening
bg commented:
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Wordie @ 9:09 pm #13
re: [“will of the people” ]
not a believer in polls, but here
you go anyways (just a sample)..
a more conservative source..
Support for Health Care Bill Increases, More Still Oppose
albeit much smaller in scope, a more liberal source..
Backlash for Democrats, even in Pulaski
[Without any pushing, Griffin creams Snyder by 56-39. On an individual mandate, 58 percent are opposed. On Snyder-vs.-Griffin with the assumption that Snyder voted for the individual mandate, Griffin’s rout becomes larger, yes, but only modestly, to 58-35.
Get a load of this: Seventy-nine percent are satisfied with their health care. I can only assume that’s as compared to a fear of the unknown.
Obama’s approval numbers are horrid, with
only 33 percent liking him and 63 percent not.]
Obama Out Of Touch With Voters On Several Key Issues
[Public support for health-care reform continues to decline, as 34 percent mostly approve, while 54 percent mostly disapprove, compared to 53 – 36 percent disapproval December 22.]
btw, most people want health care reform, just not the kind that not only boxes them in, but taxes them to death.. iow: government orchestrated & mandated..
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Citizen Cue commented:
Before hopey changey could institute martial law and have it actually work he’d have to grant amnesty to illegal aliens and give them guns. Remember the LA riots? What did the police do in the case of rioting spreading? They abandoned posts and protected their own families first!
Be careful of this party of treason known as the democrat party.
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