Another Blow to the Radical Left & Team Obama… 58% Want Undie Bomber Waterboarded
Posted by Jim Hoft on Thursday, December 31, 2009, 11:26 AM
I’ll pour the water.
Despite the constant drumbeat against so-called waterboarding “torture” by the state-run media and the Team Obama, most Americans want the undie bomber to be interrogated using the same harsh techniques that were uesd to gain information from 3 top Al-Qaeda terrorists.
Rasmussen reported:
Fifty-eight percent (58%) of U.S. voters say waterboarding and other aggressive interrogation techniques should be used to gain information from the terrorist who attempted to bomb an airliner on Christmas Day.
A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that just 30% oppose the use of such techniques, and another 12% are not sure.
Men and younger voters are more strongly supportive of the aggressive interrogation techniques than women and those who are older. Republicans and voters not affiliated with either major party favor their use more than Democrats.
Seventy-one percent (71%) of all voters think the attempt by the Nigerian Muslim to blow up the airliner as it landed in Detroit should be investigated by military authorities as a terrorist act. Only 22% say it should be handled by civilian authorities as a criminal act, as is currently the case.
But sadly the radical in the White House has already handed the Al-Qaeda terrorist over to civilian authorities.
Related… Waterboarding not only worked – It was a great success.
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Published May 23, 2012 at 11:51 pm - 59 Comments
shibumi commented:
I concur with the 58%
However, isn’t “Panty Bomber” more insulting to a Muslim than “Undie Bomber”? Just wondering.
AnnS commented:
Aren’t there some 200-300 Al Qaeda jihadist in Yeman who are plotting attackes in the US?
OT
Of the eight killed at the Khost suicide bomber 7 were CIA Agents.
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: December 31, 2009
Filed at 11:49 a.m. ET
WASHINGTON (AP) — The CIA says seven of its employees were killed and six others wounded in a terrorist attack on an agency base in Afghanistan.
T. Shaw commented:
Racists!
Obama: The system is working.
It’s better to see hundreds of Americans die like dogs than to be called “torturers.”
AuntieMadder commented:
Is there a poll on how many want Obamao waterboarded?
Ricky Vines commented:
Have we lost our soul or is this justifiable under the morality of the “lesser evil”? For the followers of Jesus, the question is always WWJD.
King Obama commented:
Too bad what you want bitchez
LibertyMinded commented:
I guess I’m with the 42%. Waterboarding sets a horrible precedent. First they waterboard the “terrorists” but who defines a terrorist? One just needs to look at the DHS report back from earlier this year when they said anyone with a gadsen flag is a potential “terrorist”.
A government that tortures is a bad idea all around and before you know it, it will be torturing it’s own citizens.
LibertyMinded commented:
And I might add, even though I am against waterboarding and all forms of torture, unlike this blog suggests I am not a member of the “radical left” never have, and never will be.
Lightwave commented:
Just another piece of evidence in the growing mountain that is the reality that the Obama Imperial Presidency ended on Dec. 25, 2009.
At this point it’s only a question of by how large the margin the Republicans will have in 2010, and if they can convince enough Dems like Lieberman and Ben Nelson to jump parties after the Obamabot margin in the Senate is cut to a number you can count on one hand.
I think the Republicans will have control of both halves of Congress come January 2011.
averagemelon commented:
I think waterboarding is a humane way of extracting much needed information from a non-compliant individual. Are we that big of a nation of cry babies? Are we the only group of people in the world not allowed to defend ourselves against attackers? Maybe we should only let Liberals board airlines this year and let them and their families reap the consequences of their decisions.
DeltaOP commented:
58%? Sounds like a mandate to me – especially since Obama seems to think that an electoral win of 52% is a mandate to inflict his radical agenda on America. This will be another one of those polls that liberals will try to ignore because it is inconvenient to them. To them Americans showed how dumb they were when they elected Bush but somehow overnight brilliance was thrust upon all those unwashed masses when they elected Obama. By their logic we must have turned stupid again…
BigAlSouth commented:
Why don’t we follow the Prez’s lead in the Khalid Sheikh Mohammed case. The Prez said we were gonna try him, then find him guilty. So what’s a little show trial every now and then to keep the ignorant masses happy?
olm commented:
I think the issue is not waterboarding, it is that the American people know that there is a serious risk here and the Nigerian should not be allowed to lawyer up and clam up because he is the tip of the iceberg.
DomesticGoddess commented:
Let’s use holy water – that’ll really get a confession.
Melvin Winter commented:
Related parodies:
Obama Administration Spares Foreign Terrorists, Focuses on Torturing Domestic Airline Passengers http://optoons.blogspot.com/2009/12/obama-administration-spares-foreign.html
Law Enforcement Officials Replace “Good Cop, Bad Cop” Routine with “Good Cop, Super-Sensitive Hippie” Routine http://optoons.blogspot.com/2009/11/law-enforcement-officials-replace-good.html
Obama Creates Information Hotline to Ease Nerves of Interrogation Service Customers http://optoons.blogspot.com/2009/04/obama-creates-information-hotline-for.html
Axel Edgren commented:
You could have a 98 % majority in favor of waterboarding – you’d still be wrong, and I’d still be right to tell you “never”.
Doesn’t matter if one of my family members were onboard the plane in question – the answer is still “never”.
Even if one of my children had been on that plane – the answer to the demands for waterboarding will always be “never”.
Tully commented:
They left out the REALLY relevant question:
Do you approve of waterboarding and other aggressive techniques being used on people caught red-handed trying to blow up passenger planes, for purely vengeful purposes?
I bet the percentage saying “Yes!” would be at least as high.
Christoph Rebner commented:
Jesus waterboarded by Gateway “Pundit”.
Threat to security.
Proof: denied to speak under normal torture.
Tim Hoft commented:
So the Right doesn’t want to try terrorist in civilian courts (except of course when there is a righty in the whitehouse (mousaaui, reid)) but they don’t want to abide by the Geneva Conventions. Instead they want to stoop to the level of terrorists (torturing, bombing). When will they start broadcasting beheadings of suspected terrorists on Fox news?
Axel Edgren commented:
“Do you approve of waterboarding and other aggressive techniques being used on people caught red-handed trying to blow up passenger planes, for purely vengeful purposes?”
Why don’t you move to North Korea, if that is what you want to see done to criminals and terrorists?
Or Uzbekistan?
Why do you have to ruin another country with your fascist filth?
Joanne commented:
I am thoroughly disgusted with Obama – he doesn’t even treat this Nigerian as a Muslim terrorist. WTH!
Todd commented:
So Jim Hoft wants to “pour the water”?
In response, I say that I am ready to take up arms against *any* fellow “American” that wants to use immoral interrogation procedures against the undie bomber and his evil ilk. If every single American, including Obama, caved to fear and hatred and tried to waterboard the undie bomber, I would still stand beside him, and if I had a weapon I would put a bullet in every American who tried to subject him to any illegal or evil treatment.
I would be killing Americans, but I would be defending America.
When you wish to use un-American tactics against America’s enemies, you force me to stand beside them and justify me killing to defend that terrorist – that’s what a non-relativist does.
Joanne commented:
Axel – obviously you do not care about any American, not even your own family members. If waterboarding this Nigerian means intelligence that can be used to prevent other terrorist attacks, then so be it. It isn’t like the man is going to have his head cut off like the Taliban just did to six Afghans aiding the Afghan government. Get your priorities straight.
Joanne commented:
Right, a Nigerian Muslim terrorist wants to blow 300 people out of the sky, but don’t you dare pour water in his face so that he is afraid he will drown, even he knows he won’t…….and this is worthy of every American who tries to extract information via waterboarding to have a bullet put into his head? You are a lunatic.
Axel Edgren commented:
“Axel – obviously you do not care about any American, not even your own family members.”
You are a liar Joanne, and you use the same “logic” of our past nemeses – “We NEED to bend the law and let our intelligence agencies use brutality to get intel. Supporting that is the *definition* of a true patriot. Comrade Stalin says that’s what it takes, and I trust him! You trust Comrade Stalin and want the best for mother Russia, nyet?”
“If waterboarding this Nigerian means intelligence that can be used to prevent other terrorist attacks, then so be it”
Ah yes, that’s what being a conservative means these days – when the government tries to change health-care or lower carbon emissions, fascism, evil and oppression are mere days away!
But when the government taps our phone lines, take people away without trial and authorizes brutal interrogations, that isn’t anyway *near* a slippery slope! We can trust the government with such tactics!
Today’s right is one of hypocrisy, moral relativism and the same kind of reasoning that our enemies use, except you just replace “Allah” or “Ho Chi Minh” with “Cheney”.
“It isn’t like the man is going to have his head cut off like the Taliban just did to six Afghans aiding the Afghan government. ”
The “They do it too”-defense is a logical fallacy. More relativism.
“Right, a Nigerian Muslim terrorist wants to blow 300 people out of the sky, but don’t you dare pour water in his face so that he is afraid he will drown”
It’s cruel and unusual punishment. If you want to “Use tough tactics” against the enemies of the state, you can move to some other country. But you are not endangering me and my loved ones by trying to pervert American ideals and subverting our government to fascism.
If you make me choose between the rights of an evil man and the lives of other Americans, I must side with the evil man.
It is *never* harmless or safe to forgo the Constitution or American principles – *especially* not with people like Cheney still around.
Todd commented:
Since when is it “conservative” to suddenly start authorizing the government to use fascist tactics just because there is a threat to the country?
Conservatism means not rocking the boat, of not jumping willy-nilly to feel-good solutions and instead going with the strong foundations. And that is the opposite of what Cheney and his pack want to do.
Those on the right who favor waterboarding are no better than those on the left who want to employ affirmative action – lots of symbolism and emotional candor, no pause for thought about ramifications and what the government may or may not do. Today’s right is just liberal in different aspects than the left – conservative it *ain’t*.
TaSS commented:
I have no qualms about water boarding high level terrorists who have access to future plans and sleeper cell information.
That has already proven to save lives.
However, this man has none of that intelligence information. He was used as disposable.
Seperate him and treat him humanly. If he is not talking already, he will.
UncleZeb commented:
I got a board, tie downs and a hose pipe. Send him to my house, I can handle it, don’t need any help. By the time I an through he would admit to having watched the Color Purple. I will let you know whatever he knows.
Buckeye commented:
I’m going to play devil’s advocate here. A certain portion of the 58 percent in favor of waterboarding the guy might represent unreliable support. They favor waterboarding because there is a possibility that the guy might have extremely important intel and these respondents can take a pro-waterboarding position without having to take responsibility for it – it’s sort of a hypothetical. But let’s say they waterboard the guy, he gives up good intel, but maybe not extremely important intel. Well, a year later, when you repoll the very same people, now some of those who were previously in favor will now be retroactively against the position they formely supported. Part of the reason that they will flipflop is because they now take for granted the benefits gained from waterboarding the subject – the intel is no longer something they don’t have and still NEED. Yes, I know this mentality is irrational, but hey 52 percent of voters went for Obama.
Todd commented:
“I got a board, tie downs and a hose pipe. Send him to my house, I can handle it, don’t need any help. By the time I an through he would admit to having watched the Color Purple. I will let you know whatever he knows.”
You’ll take that man away to be waterboarded when you pry him from my cold, dead hands. I’ll kill and die for American values – even if it is for an evil man.
Buckeye commented:
Todd, are you aiding and abetting an escaped Islamic terrorist? And why are you wrapping your arms around him, and spooning him? Yuck.
iconoclast commented:
And I am ready to take up arms to eject freaking enemies such as yourself from America. Waterboarding isn’t torture. What your buddies will do to you when they catch you in Yemen…now that will be torture.
But you won’t take up arms. Lefturds only want others to die…they haven’t the stones to die for their own idiocies….
UncleZeb commented:
Todd will be re-watching The Color Purple with him and spooning.
iconoclast commented:
You’ll take that man away to be waterboarded when you pry him from my cold, dead hands.
Sounds like a plan.
iconoclast commented:
then we just convict him in a tribunal and hang him. I think most of that 58% would approve of the squeeze him dry, then dispose of him approach.
iconoclast commented:
He had to be trained and supplied somewhere. He also can reveal what was going on in Hasan’s Austin mosque as well. At the very least, there are probably a number of new identities that could be added to the high-risk/intrusive searching option for travel.
Babsy commented:
#19: Thank you for sharing.
Babsy commented:
#26: You won’t last long.
Todd commented:
“Todd, are you aiding and abetting an escaped Islamic terrorist? And why are you wrapping your arms around him, and spooning him? Yuck.”
Oh yes, now with the homophobia and the exaggerations. The right-wingers all go psychotic and insulting when one reminds them they are as bound by America’s tenets as left-wingers are.
“Waterboarding isn’t torture.”
Maybe it isn’t. But you’re not allowed to employ it in the war on terrorism and I am perfectly right to threaten you and your ilk with violence for wanting it done. It is an evil and subhuman idea. No more relativism.
If you try to nominate a 2012 candidate who vows to bring waterboarding back, I will hope someone assassinates him/her. I might do it myself, but it might not be fair on my kids to risk it.
“What your buddies will do to you when they catch you in Yemen…”
I’m a supporter of terrorists now? The right-wingers are wallowing in their reflexive hatred. The thing is, I’m not actually trying to goad you or troll you – I speak from the heart, and have loved America throughout my life. If the GOP is represented by the people I see on this blog, it must have it’s feet cut off after the step forward it takes in 2010.
“Todd will be re-watching The Color Purple with him and spooning.”
What is it when you fascists and your tendency to resort to homophobic imagery? Issues, boy.
“then we just convict him in a tribunal and hang him.”
This might actually be legally justified in some situations. Of course, then we would have to use the same rules on our own war criminals…
Babsy commented:
#34: “You’ll take that man away to be waterboarded when you pry him from my cold, dead hands. I’ll kill and die for American values – even if it is for an evil man.”
No, you won’t. You’ll never lift a finger.
Todd commented:
#42
I might not, but I’d rather die for America than live as a fellow citizen to waterboarders.
You try to waterboard a convict, I am allowed to use violence to stop you, just as I would if you tried to rob a bank. I am not a relativist. The fascist liabilities among us must either be marginalized, ignored or – if they press the issue – killed.
Todd commented:
“No, you won’t. You’ll never lift a finger.”
Then try. Any American that tries to create or abet a government that waterboards is an enemy of the state that can be attacked and even killed.
People who waterboard are like those who fly planes into civilians – subhuman.
Babsy commented:
#45: You are ‘allowed’??? By whom? You don’t have the stomach for fighting or protecting your ‘family’. Perhaps you forgot what happened at Concord?
iconoclast commented:
another internet tough guy. Let’s see you follow up on your threats.
Or keep making threats against the next POTUS–that will get some results too.
iconoclast commented:
All of us here are trying to create a government that will waterboard terrorists and illegal combatants.
Knock yourself out, tough guy. Let’s see some action.
iconoclast commented:
Objectively, you are an enemy of the USA. And an ignorant one. A jihadi is an illegal combatant–same as a spy or soldier out of uniform. Historically the punishment for that has been death.
Your desire to mete out the same punishment to the leaders who kept us safe just shows how much of an enemy you are. I would love to meet you someday…if you ever leave your mother’s basement.
Todd commented:
“You don’t have the stomach for fighting or protecting your ‘family’.”
Waterboarding isn’t “fighting”. It’s cowardly and subhuman. Any scum can torture, and it used to be the USA tried and hung torturers after winning justly and bravely.But thanks to the right, fascism and subhuman tendencies have gained a footing in American government as well.
“All of us here are trying to create a government that will waterboard terrorists and illegal combatants.”
Then killing all of you is a morally neutral act.
Anyway, happy new year, and please try to act as people in 2010.
If it weren’t for the waterboarding and the rampant homophobia, I might have voted republican in the midterms. But unlike you people I am not a relativist, and cannot swallow my humanity for the sake of emotional indulgence.
Todd commented:
“Historically the punishment for that has been death.”
Historically we thought slavery was fine and dandy…
Spies and illegal combatants may be hung, interrogated and tried in tribunals. But you right-wing dogs want to skip the tribunals and the accountability. That makes you subhuman, un-American and un-Christian.
“Your desire to mete out the same punishment to the leaders who kept us safe just shows how much of an enemy you are. ”
Our leaders went against the principles and laws that are supposed to keep us safe. They betrayed us, and they need to be tried in court.
CottonMan commented:
Good God!! Finally, Americans are waking up to the fact that both political parties are corrupt & only come to us when they need our votes, but ignore us & they continue to choose the canidates they want.
If you want a great read for 2010 & what’s coming then u need to read this book. It’s a small town in America that stands up to federal tyranny & corrupt politicians & end up starting the 2nd American Revolution.
It may be that history is calling us to fulfill our destiny in life & leave our legacy. It’s that powerful & I recommend it for upcoming 2010.
http://www.booksbyoliver.com
Finncrisp commented:
We need every scrap of information this muslim terrorist can give us. Look, this guy was willing to leave this earth by blowing up his private parts in the process. Waterboarding will be nothing compared to that!
Simon commented:
Todd, you know our Special Forces go through water boarding, don’t you?
Todd commented:
“Todd, you know our Special Forces go through water boarding, don’t you?”
Yes, this is because other countries, who might capture them despite the brains, brawn and bravery of our troops, are below America’s level.
Or used to be, at least. Cheney and his loyal dogs dragged America down.
UncleZeb commented:
AH, there it is, he hate Cheney. All the Metro-sexuals hate him for some reason.
Joanne commented:
Axel Edgren – you are a lunatic, and you don’t even know it. You would rather side with an evil terrorist intent on killing Americans than side with Americans who want to make a terrorist believe he is drowning to get information out of him to save other Americans. You compare the rights of Americans being taken away, then why don’t you compare the rights of Americans to be able to live without fear from attacks from terrorists. Why do you compare the rights of Americans being taken away with the rights of terrorists anyhow? Terrorists have no rights. You don’t even make sense; there is no sense in your arguments.
And why do you call me a liar? I did not breathe one word of a lie. You in your post at #19 made it very clear you would never make a trade-off for the lives of your family members over the waterboarding of a terrorist. By the way terrorists don’t die from waterboarding, but family members die from being blown to bits.
Joanne commented:
Axel Edgren – my #28 post was in response to Todd’s #26 comment.
Joanne commented:
When you try to kill Americans en masse in a terrorist attempt or success, then you lose all rights as a human being, domestic or foreign, and every last terrorist would normally expect the worst if they were ever caught, except for the liberals who have made attacking the U.S. a terrorist’s wet dream without reprisals.
Thank God, real men still exist.
Palinfan commented:
While we’re at it, let’s waterboard Napolitano to find out what it is that makes her so stupid and force her to resign.
And as a bonus, can we waterboard Kevin Jennings, the safe schools czar(handpicked by Obama) to find out what other kiddie porn he has out there?
Scott commented:
Saboteurs were summarily shot in WWII…We should clear Gitmo by firing squad, not civilian trials or worse yet, releasing homicidal maniacs back their home countries to do more harm…I first heard about waterboarding twenty years ago in military SERE training…We have waterboarded thousands of our own troops in training to resist interrogation…The liberals and their lawyers got themselves all “wee weed” up over nothing…Waterboard first then line them up against a wall and shoot them…
Gandalf commented:
I have no problem with waterboarding the Panty Bomber say half a dozen times to suck all the intel out but then I would actually drown it. The rule of law is to protect the innocent. This piece of crap has the scars to show its guilt. Dispose of it. Americans above that Todd? Why? Show me? The terrorists are using you – get real. Stop being a metro chump. Observe which kids get beat up on the playground. Hint – it isn’t the strong ones. Make a New Years resolution – take no prisoners.
Joanne commented:
Let’s face it; no terrorist even has to be waterboarded if they just fess up from the get-go. They talk or they are waterboarded…..as far as I see, it is their choice to be waterboarded.
avery commented:
Their have been thousands upon thousands of america soliders in inf. go through waterboarding.I know john MaCain said it was torture why i don:t know.Their are no broken bones or dislocater joint it really not torturing.The panty bomber should have been turn over to the C.I.A.it would have save lots of america life.
Chisum commented:
This week’s Economist/YouGov poll
http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2009/12/this_weeks_economistyougov_pol_25
JPL17 commented:
I am perfectly right to threaten you and your ilk with violence for wanting it done.
Hey Todd, since you’re so open with your threat to kill law-abiding people here, please be a chum and tell us all your home address so we can have you arrested, OK?
Nathan R. Jessup commented:
The best part about water-boarding:
It can be stopped at any time. Just share information that will prevent future killing….
And I love the fact that Navy SEALs are water-boarded as part of their training and yet some feel this method is too rough for cold-blooded killers.
Nathan R. Jessup
http://www.the-raw-deal.com
averagemelon commented:
If you make me choose between the rights of an evil man and the lives of other Americans, I must side with the evil man.
Congratulations, Axel. You have made the devil very happy.