Hoffman Down in NY-23 …Update: FOX News Calls Race – Owens Wins (Video)
Posted by Jim Hoft on Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 4:53 AM
FOX News calls the race for Democrat Owens:
The polls in NY-23 close at 9:00 Eastern.
Doug Hoffman is now favored to win the hotly contested contest.
The Hill reported:
De facto Republican nominee Doug Hoffman is now favored to win Tuesday’s special election in upstate New York.
Two new polls showed Hoffman with significant leads in the race, including by double digits in one of them. Yet in a contest full of anomalies, and after a weekend that included the GOP nominee’s withdrawal and cross-party endorsement, neither side is calling the race at this point.
UPDATE: Hoffman is down by 5% and 2,500 votes with 39% reporting.
UPDATE: FOX News– With 86% of the votes counted Owens leads Hoffman 49-45%.
UPDATE 2: HotAir is following the vote in NY-23.
UPDATE 3: FOX news just called the race for Owens.
That’s too bad.
UPDATE 4: Michelle Malkin discusses the GOP’s $1 million lesson.
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Anthony Mator commented:
I apologize for getting a little off topic, but did anyone else notice the surprising and thinly veiled political commentary on tonight’s first episode of the rebooted, remastered, and reimagined “V” series?
Hope? Change? Universal health care? Laying aside your convictions for the greater good?
Dangerous stuff….
bg commented:
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thank goodness!!
Way to Say Hoffman!! (thumbsup)
via TRBO
Glenn Beck Show November 2, 2009
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Mike commented:
I was thinking the same thing on V except a hit at deceptive “aliens” promising the moon and the sun and Universal health care if only we were to trust them. I see it as a shot across the bow at Dems and health care. I am now a fan!
olm commented:
Sure looks to me like Hoffman is losing.
myna commented:
Oh no!
bg commented:
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olm @ 8:50 pm #5
why do you say that, what did i miss??
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ar05075 commented:
I hope GP is right but I’m watching the results and if Hoffman is going to win, he better hury.
GO HOFFMAN.!!!
olm commented:
The numbers on FOX have Owen consistently up by qwuite a bit.
olm commented:
quite, I can’t type and watch the tv behind me…
olm commented:
Apparently, via Hot Air, the exit polls have Hoffman winning, but so far the numbers make t he exit polls look wrong.
bg commented:
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olm, thanks..
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olm commented:
I also just read that there are several really red areas of NY23 that have not even begun counting.
The numbers look pretty bad though.
bg commented:
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this from Wikipedia??
why can’t i find any other link to view what’s going on, gah!!
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bg commented:
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local news station a minute ago..
Bill Owens leading by 19%..
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myna commented:
Yes, exit polls Hoffman wins but not on FoxNews. Go, Hoffmann. Next 2010 midterm.
Stephen commented:
Last I saw, Owens lead by 4 points
bg commented:
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i agree (as many others have expressed as well) with Beck.. albeit would be sweeter if he did win.. it really doesn’t matter if Hoffman wins or loses this particular race, as his real accomplishment was giving Conservatives their voice back!! (thumbsup)
clips #1 & 2
thank you Doug Hoffman!! (thumbsup)
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Scott commented:
At one point today, Intrade betters put the odds of Hoffman winning at 85%. Now it’s down to 15%. Seems fishy. Check out the chart:
http://www.intrade.com/jsp/intrade/common/c_cd.jsp?conDetailID=699145&z=1257305578781
Smarty commented:
Acorn is out in force there.
myna commented:
Come on, repubs. Hoffmann needs help. Let’s make this straight republicans and conservative wins.
bg commented:
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heh, i also heard a local newscaster call Owen an Independent
(btw, there’s a whole slew of races in which Reps are winning)..
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Richard Romano commented:
I heard there were voting machine glitches, and a few districts won’t release their numbers until tomorrow.
Going to be a long night in NY-23.
Dick Nixon commented:
Owens by 3% according to the Saratogian webiste. 3,50o votes apart. The returns are trending closer and closer.
Stephen commented:
“Owens by 3% according to the Saratogian webiste. 3,50o votes apart. The returns are trending closer and closer.”
I sense Owens will be acting like Gore–like a dog barking ‘recount’ ‘recount’
bg commented:
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and i want to know where Wikipedia got it’s info hours ago??
btw, the % changed!!
49% BO to 46% DH
Come On Hoffman!!
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a soon-to-be-former-democrat commented:
I have a quick question… won’t Hoffman get all of Dede S. ‘s votes even though she is on the ballot, BUT Hoffman is now the Republican candidate.
so Hoffman gets his own votes PLUS all votes of Dede S. ‘s?
Thanks.
Pat the First commented:
Something better happen with the remaining 26%. Hoffman is behind by 5%.
Papa Ray commented:
I think I have a bad feeling about this:
Syracuse reports Problems with the new voting machines??? and the have “paper ballot backups”….really?
They of course won’t be counted until tomorrow.
Peggy R commented:
Maybe you should change that headline. Hoffman hasn’t led all night.
Perhaps some tea partiers over-played their hand? Dana Loesh, here in STL, is credited with starting “Dump DeDe.” Perhaps she got in over her head on this one. I hate to see Newt vindicated on this. Yet, he can’t be too proud since DeDe showed her true colors by endorsing Owens.
I do hope these last votes change things.
bg commented:
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Peggy R @ 10:18 pm #31
re: [Newt vindicated on this]
Newt will never be “vindicated”..
Newt is a New World Order RINO!!
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AJStrata commented:
I think it is coming clear that rise of the ‘true conservatives’ is a myth, and that the tea party crowd has a centrist streak in it a mile wide.
Hoffman could be the lone conservative loser tonight.
AJStrata
bg commented:
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pardon the source, can’t get any other link except
Wikipedia, welcome to state owned internet info..
11:32 PM : AP
[Democrat Bill Owens had a lead of about 3 percentage points in a special Congressional election in northern New York that has grabbed national headlines in its final days as it highlighted divisions within the Republican Party.]
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OWENS WINS LOL commented:
HOFFMAN LOST LOL
bg commented:
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AJStrata @ 10:41 pm #33
no negativity there, we have to start somewhere
& win or lose, Hoffman IS the turning point.. :+:
btw: Christie & McDonnell won, as have
many other Reps throughout the nation..
btw.. i believe Hoffman was running as a Republican (which he is), but they marked the ballot Conservative?? maybe that’s why Dede got votes (recall the Fla mix up, it’s easy to understand why since she’s not even in the race)..
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Hypogean commented:
OWENS WINS LOL
November 3rd, 2009 | 10:44 pm | #35
HOFFMAN LOST LOL
The five-year-olds weigh in.
stacy commented:
The immaturity of the left has ceased to amaze me.
Hypogean commented:
stacy
November 3rd, 2009 | 10:56 pm | #38
The immaturity of the left has ceased to amaze me.
They’ll be gloating tomorrow, even as Obama’s entire agenda goes down in flames. Laugh at them. Tonight was a great night for the country. It’s the beginning of the recovery.
bg commented:
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via GP’s HotAir link:
[Owens is maintaining a 48 percent to 46 percent lead.]
again i must reiterate..
against all odds, win or lose, Hoffman did great!! (thumbsup)
Thank You for giving US a voice Mr. Hoffman..
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Brooklyn commented:
Very regretful.
NY 23rd should be in GOP hands.
Virginia and NJ were the winners for the conservatives, when many Elite Conservative Pundits bragged about the victory in NY 23rd.
Replacing DEDE with Hoffman, was a good move.
Too bad we did not have a primary.
However, those Conservative Pundits who have grown anti-Republican, who were bragging, “this is not a Republican surge, this is a Conservative surge”, look a little foolish.
It was an anti-Democratic Party surge, with some admirable Conservative Republicans who won with admirable campaigns.
There is a fashion, but sometimes the fashion can be self destructive.
Those who never ran for an election, never governed, who make a living being cynical on the sidelines, don’t always know it all.
We need a strong conservative GOP challenge in 2010.
Tired of the bashers, who are sometimes sinking the best interests of all.
KR commented:
Owens will still have to be mindful of the conservatives in his district. 2010 is just around the corner.
It is amazing that a republican won in NJ!
I am interested in the results in the Calif. 10th race. The norm is about 65% for the dem. party. If it is close, Boxer had better pay attention since she is up for re-election in 2010.
jb commented:
Hoffman won just by getting the RINO out of the race! 2010 is just a year away.
Jim Rose commented:
Too bad indeed, but Hoffman is a good man and he did all he could.
The GOP elitists are the one’s that blew this race and they need to be held accountable.
stacy commented:
Yep, he’s a winner to me. He’ll be back.
ray commented:
What’s important is a liberal extremist wasn’t elected under the republican banner. One more dem in congress for the next year isn’t going to make a difference in Pelosi getting bills passed. If anything Owen will have to take a stand against her if he wants a chance at reelection. A real republican can win the seat back next year. Hopefully the republican leadership learned an expensive lesson.
KR commented:
…and “SENATOR” Boxer worked SO hard for that title. Lol
jb commented:
What’s important is a liberal extremist wasn’t elected under the republican banner.
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Exactly!
penny commented:
Every state lost to the Dems means ACORN loses protection at the state level.
Callipygian1 commented:
I am more than a little suspicious how DeDe played this out… I cannot wait to see the payola that is linked to her decision.
jb commented:
Be careful. I have lost tract on ACORN.Last I heard is that the Federal funding ban was to expire Oct 30th.
crystal commented:
Callipygian1
November 3rd, 2009 | 11:15 pm | #50
I am more than a little suspicious how DeDe played this out… I cannot wait to see the payola that is linked to her decision.
I agree!
crystal commented:
OT:
Gay marriage appears in danger of losing in Maine
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091104/ap_on_el_st_lo/us_gay_marriage_maine
Bogdan from Australia commented:
This result is unfortunate. It means that Obama will have to inflict much more damage on America before the sheeple begin openning their eyes.
Almost exactly the same confusion prevails here in Eunuchalia. As the country slides deeper and deeper into social and economic malaise, the idiot at the helm of the “goverment” seems to be keeping his popularity intact and no amount of a rational argument is capable of changing the local sheeple’s political orientation.
Still, as for a late entrant the results achieved by Hoffman seem to be pretty good. He will, for sure do much better the next time; Let’s be patient.
It took nearly 40 YEARS before I could call myself a FREE MAN!
In 1933 in Germany good and wise people lost on behalf of a madman. It didn’t mean that they were wrong. Those were confused idiots that prevailed then.
It took great tragedy to wake them up from their stupor.
The blindness that has befallen on the people of the so called “Western civilisation” is the result of an incessant binging on two things:
-torrents of the cheap garbage flowing from China
-infatuation of the entire generation with Harry Potter that completly infantilised that generation and made the people forget their obligation towards the democratic process.
It doesn’ at allt mean that Sarah Palin was wrong!
One cannot sacrifice his or her principles for the short term political gain.
It means that Sarah is still right!
It twill take a time for the people to realise that.
God bless Sarah Palin!
God bless America!
myna commented:
It is predictable that suddenly NY23 election is important not NJ or VA. It is all about Sarah again! Biden is obsessed with Sarah.
The big loser is Dede. This is the end of her political career. She will be the next Arlen Specter.
Bobby F. commented:
It is amazing that a republican won in NJ!
Right, because it’s like so unprecedented. Well, except for when it happened in 1997, 1993, 1985, and 1981.
As for Virginia, here’s a news flash… the Virginia governorship has been won by someone from the opposite party of the president in every election since 1977. It’s how they roll, and has been every four years for the past 3 decades.
Back in 2001 – less than 2 months after 9/11 – Republicans LOST both VA and NJ, when Bush had approval ratings through the roof. Did conservatives think that was a huge refutation of the Republican Party at that time? I doubt it.
More often than not, these two governors’ races go AGAINST the incumbent POTUS than they go for him. Was true with Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, and Carter as well. This isn’t some sort of sea change event.
Corzine was a terrible governor, and New Jerseyites rejected him. Deeds ran one of the worst campaigns imagineable. Good night for the GOP, but y’all are blowing this waaaaay out of proportion. This is no different than what happened in 2001 when the Democrats took both of these governorships from the Republicans.
Here’s what else happened – the Republicans LOST both races in Congress tonight.
And while you may find it shocking that a Republican has won the NJ governor’s race for the first time in a WHOPPING TWELVE YEARS, I’m more impressed by the fact that a Democrat has won the NY-23 Congressional district for the first time since Ulysses S. Grant was president.
Your party winning an office for the first time in 12 years or the other team’s party winning an office for the first time in 138 years, which do you think is more impressive?
Oh well, keep pushing further to the right, it’s your own party’s funeral you’re planning. I fully encourage you to embrace your teabagging inner children.
bg commented:
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ray @ 11:09 pm #46
you more or less stated what i’ve been thinking..
on the one hand Republicans had better shape up or get shipped out, on the other, Dems may shift back to being more conservative themselves (think Jack & Bobby K), or at least to the center (iow: far right of their mad-ding overlords so to speak)..
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crystal commented:
Well, the talking points have been handed down. In a timely fashion, I see:-)
bg commented:
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ps re: bg @ 11:55 pm #57
bottom line:
it’s going to be a long tough haul climbing back up to shine a light on
the hill.. just how tough it’s going to be also depends on how much
more destruction Obama brings US before he’s booted out of his palace..
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wanumba commented:
New York’s first Nigerian 419 scam election.
Lisa commented:
Did FOX News speak too early on the Hoffman/Owen race? I noticed it was deleted from their home page.
rjjrdq commented:
I was watching Fox, and they were showing the precincts reporting for the 23rd. A couple of times the % of precincts reporting increased, but the numbers did not. Just an observation.
bg commented:
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no videos of their victory/concession speeches??
Hoffman concedes to Owens
NY-23 Results by County
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Bobby F. commented:
Well, the talking points have been handed down. In a timely fashion, I see:-)
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Just answer a simple question for me.
When Democrats won BOTH the New Jersey and Virginia governorships in 2001 (less than two months removed from 9/11) which were both previously held by Republicans, do you believe it was a wholesale rejection of the Republican Party by the American public at that time?
Yes or no?
And how is this year any different?
When Carter was president, Republicans won Virginia. When Reagan was president, Democrats won Virginia BOTH times. When Bush 41 was president, Democrats won Virginia. When Clinton was president, Republicans won Virginia BOTH times. And again, when Bush 43 was president, Democrats won Virginia BOTH times.
That is just how it goes in VA. And it has been that way for 9 consecutive gubernatorial elections there now. Everytime a Republican is in the White House, a Democrat becomes governor of VA. Everytime a Democrat is in the White House, a Republican becomes governor of VA.
And as traditionally blue as some want to portray New Jersey as being, the GOP has held the governor’s office in 16 of the last 28 years.
No, this election isn’t totally meaningless, and yes it’s certainly a win for the GOP, but for real… y’all are blowing it totally out of proportion.
And the one race that was your baby… you lost. Sure, you purged the so-called “RINO” in NY-23, but she would have easily won had Palin not stuck her nose in it and pushed Hoffman.
And please… I fully want you to primary Charlie Crist in Florida. Because he’s the best chance your party has of winning that Senate seat next year. Crist can’t be beaten in a general election. But Marco Rubio certainly can.
America just isn’t as collectively wingnutty as your little 28%er club. As evidenced by the folks in NY-23 tonight, a district with an R+15 partisan voter index.
bg commented:
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eew..
my apologies for linking to Politico..
what a bunch of immature morons..
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Annie commented:
NJ win…awesome! VA a full sweep! The end of healthcare.
Many other Republican wins all over the nation. Dimwit rethreads out and Repubs in…
bg commented:
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Bobby F. @ 12:29 am #64
you have a very specific problem..
are you a statistician or just plain obstinate??
who is “blowing” anything “out of proportion”??
well, except for you anyways..
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bg commented:
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Bobby F. @ 12:29 am #64
btw.. the Dems were a whole different kettle
of fish back in 2001.. that’s when they put aside party & stuck up for
country.. but that didn’t last long & they’ve been going downhill ever
since..
that’s not the same as saying the Republicans went uphill, and albeit
more-so the Dems, imo both parties have totally (fitb) since 2006..
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Anon commented:
It was a win the minute Dodo was driven out of the race. The worst results would have been a Dodo win. Not only was she driven out, she won’t have a career as a politician, even as a Democrat. She has been “Spectered”. What do Dems need her for when they already have established Democratic candidates?
Big BIG messege to Dems and Republicans alike. Neither party, incumbant or not, is safe. Radicals wil lbe driven out. Dodo was more liberal than Owens will EVER be. Been a Democrat all my life until last year and I would never vote for her. She is beyond liberal and bordering on leftist
Magic Dog commented:
Oh, this is fun. Nutcases, keep wrecking your party! I’ll be toasting marshmallows at the bonfire! Ha ha ha!
TQ commented:
Hoffman did lose but by a mere 3%. That should scare the hell out of Democrats that it was so very close and that was against a thrid party candidate in a special election race.
Imagine how well he’d have done if the party had dumped Dede well before the 11th hour? Hoffman got 3% less votes without the support or money of the Repubs until the very last minute. That’s damn good and soemhting worth being very worried about
Annie commented:
Christy won Middlesex, a county in NJ hasn’t been won by a Repub in over 30 years!. There’s something else going on and most of the NJ pundits I’ve heard are saying it’s a referendum on Obama.
The blue dogs are nervous as they should…
Magic Dog commented:
Take heart, whackjobs! You did the impossible. You elected a Democrat in a district that hasn’t sent one to Congress since the Civil War. And I call myself the Magic Dog? Oh no. You are truly the Magic Dogs! Ha ha ha! ROTFLMAO!
Patrick Chester commented:
crystal
November 4th, 2009 | 12:06 am | #58
“Well, the talking points have been handed down. In a timely fashion, I see:-)”
Maybe they have pre-set ones fit to match any possible situation and simply pick the appropriate set?
Patrick Chester commented:
Oh wait, that would take too much foresight. They probably just snark and weave with whatever they can grasp.
All in a pathetic attempt to destroy the morale of their enemies. Really, if those who disagree with Magic Dog are just “whackjobs” who have “wrecked their party” then why is he here? Answer: Because he is desperate to make us believe what he claims so we will give up and it will become reality.
Alas, all he’s doing is being mildy annoying, but I’m sure he’s so desperate he’ll consider that to be a major victory as well.
Magic Dog commented:
It’s too bad Obama didn’t make it to NY-23 to campaign for Owens the way he did for Deeds and Corizone. Hoffman would have won if he did.
Zero didn’t have a single candidate he campaigned for win LOL But let’s pay attention to this particular location and not the embarrasing blowout in Virginia or the humiliating lose in NJ. Anything to take the spotlight off the humiliating beatings the Dems and Obama took in those elections
Hypogean commented:
Magic Dog said:
“Take heart, whackjobs! You did the impossible. You elected a Democrat in a district that hasn’t sent one to Congress since the Civil War. And I call myself the Magic Dog? Oh no. You are truly the Magic Dogs! Ha ha ha! ROTFLMAO!”
Yes, your side won one district, and ours won two states. What a horrendous defeat for the GOP tonight. Obama’s agenda got a huge shot in the arm tonight, which is why Harry Reid is now pushing health-care “reform” into next year.
Magic Dog commented:
Hypo, both those governorships are notorious for their turnover and you know it. NY-23 was notorious for its rock-ribbed Republicanism. Not anymore! Whatever you people are eating, please eat more of it! And make sure to wash it down with the same Kool-Aid! You people absolutely crack me up! Goldwater in 2012! Woo-hoo!
Magic Dog commented:
Really, if those who disagree with Magic Dog are just “whackjobs” who have “wrecked their party” then why is he here?
I am here to laugh my ass off at you, Patrick. No other reason. You people are the fart at the dinner party. The mere smell of you clears the room. Please, oh, please, keep it up. I know you will! Ha ha ha ha!
Blackwater commented:
Way to ruin an easy win for the Republican Party by chasing the leading Republican candidate out of the running at the last minute only to be replaced by a googly eyed socially awkward nerd. Real smart. Funny how none of the conservatives in the blogosphere and on talk radio who demonized Gingrich and the GOP over their support for Dede have admitted their bungling interference. A Democrap hasn’t won in that district in like 150 years. Well, not anymore! Thanks ultra right wing blogosphere and talk radio. Your attempt to create a Conservative 3rd party or to purge all moderates from the Republican Party is going to make us lose election after election and ensure that leftists control all houses of government. It was moderate Republican candidates in Virginia and New Jersey who reached out to everyone that won. REMEMBER THAT WHEN THE FAR RIGHT BRINGS OUT THE TORCHES AGAIN TO CHASE OFF A MODERATE REPUBLICAN.
Magic Dog commented:
we weren’t given a talking point yet to explain the Corizone loss.
Remember the MSM, Democrats and Obama were blaming an inevitable Deeds loss days before because he didn’t embrace Obama during the campaign. Obama and the WH were practically running Corizones campaign-and made quite a few trips to NJ to appear with Corizone. And Corizone lost just like Deeds.
Maybe if we don’t bring it up, no one will remember how we crowed the loss was because Deeds didn’t ask for help from Obama but Corizone had all kinds of help and still lost.
it’s really getting embarrassing to be a troll for these guys, they are so incompetant. Ha ha ha!
Opus #6 commented:
The lesson of NY23 is simply that splitting the conservative ticket is a bad move. If the conservative had been on the Repub ticket, they would have won.
Opus #6 commented:
Oh, and Magic Troll, you are driving traffic and comments up at this site. Is that really what you want?
Hypogean commented:
Magic Dog said:
“I am here to laugh my ass off at you, Patrick. No other reason. You people are the fart at the dinner party. The mere smell of you clears the room. Please, oh, please, keep it up. I know you will! Ha ha ha ha!”
I’m sorry, but this post isn’t contrived enough. It doesn’t reek of total falsehood and putting a truly inane, desperate spin on the humiliation of Obama campaigning in person for Corzine but losing anyway. Please try again, Dog. We know you can write something even stupider.
bg commented:
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Earth calling
Blackwater @ 1:45 am #80
just a sample:
NY-23: Meet Dierdre Scozzafava , a Pro-Choice,
Pro-Union & Pro Gay Marriage Republican
you’re a joke, Owens is more conservative than Dede..
heck, Daily Kos even endorsed her, go figure..
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Magic Dog commented:
Hypo, yeah you’re right. The NY-23 result was a fantastic win for the true conservatives. On to Florida! Where do I send my contribution?!
Hypogean commented:
Magic Dog said:
“Hypo, both those governorships are notorious for their turnover and you know it. NY-23 was notorious for its rock-ribbed Republicanism.”
Actually, John McHugh is a moderate Republican who has a lifetime rating of only 71 from the American Conservative Union. The fact that he’s serving as the Secretary of the Army under Barack Obama ought to clue you in to his political beliefs.
I have no clue what you mean by the “notorious turnover” of the governorships of New Jersey and Virginia. The Dems held the governorship in Virginia for eight years and in New Jersey for seven years. Those are very long runs for a party to run a state.
Why don’t you write “Ha ha ha ha!” and “Goldwater in 2012!” again? Truly devastating and cogent remarks for which we have no response.
Hypogean commented:
Magic Dog said:
“Hypo, yeah you’re right. The NY-23 result was a fantastic win for the true conservatives. On to Florida! Where do I send my contribution?!”
No, no, no. We lost everything, remember? Obama will be fine, and the Democrats will plow ahead with their agenda unmolested. All is well. You have nothing to worry about. Tonight never happened. Sleep tight. Nighty-night.
Bobby F. commented:
Hoffman did lose but by a mere 3%. That should scare the hell out of Democrats that it was so very close and that was against a thrid party candidate in a special election race.
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Let me get this straight. Owens won a race in a district with an R+15 partisan voter index by only 3%, and that should “scare the hell out of Democrats”?
Why?
The Democrats just won a Congressional seat in a district they haven’t won since the Civil War Era, and you’re saying that the fact that they won it by a close margin should “scare the hell” out of them?
Because they might lose it in 2010?
And? So we might lose a seat in a solidly Republican district next year that we shouldn’t have been able to win this year.
And the Republicans are going to lose LA-02 next year, and all the Democrats have to do is nominate a ferret and it’s over. Joseph Cao won that race because he was facing Dollar Bill Jefferson. Cao will be a one-term Congressman (even he knows it), because LA-02 is one of the mot solidly Democratic districts in the U.S. Had anybody but Jefferson been the Democratic nominee, the Dems would have retained the seat. They’ll get it back next year.
The idea of possibly losing a seat that we should have never won in the first place (and wouldn’t have, if you had not frightened your own party’s candidate off) doesn’t really scare the hell out of most Democrats.
Magic Dog commented:
“The Democrats just won a Congressional seat in a district they haven’t won since the Civil War Era, and you’re saying that the fact that they won it by a close margin should ‘scare the hell’ out of them?”
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I’m a-quakin’ in my boots!
Patrick Chester commented:
I am here to laugh my ass off at you, Patrick. No other reason. You people are the fart at the dinner party. The mere smell of you clears the room. Please, oh, please, keep it up. I know you will! Ha ha ha ha!
Ah, flop sweat. How cute.
(Oh there is a possibility that you actually believe what you say. Of course that only makes you one of those feral parasites worthy of nothing more than derisive contempt.)
Hypogean commented:
Bobby F. said:
“The Democrats just won a Congressional seat in a district they haven’t won since the Civil War Era, and you’re saying that the fact that they won it by a close margin should ‘scare the hell’ out of them?”
In the era of Obama? During the reign of The One? With the entire media except for Fox carrying the Democrats’ water and spinning like Iranian centrifuges? How come he didn’t win by 15 points?
Your party won a single district in a special election. Your new congressman–who will be in office for a year before he faces another election–opposes the public option and has no stated position on cap and trade.
How much of an asset will he be in getting the Obama agenda passed?
Bobby F. commented:
I have no clue what you mean by the “notorious turnover” of the governorships of New Jersey and Virginia. The Dems held the governorship in Virginia for eight years and in New Jersey for seven years. Those are very long runs for a party to run a state.
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Two terms are considered “long runs” to hold a governorship?
What planet are you from?
Incidentally… the Republicans ran both of those state’s governor’s office during Clinton’s presidency, and a year after Bush was elected, the GOP lost both of them.
Since 1989, the governor of NJ has been elected from the opposite party of whoever won the presidency the year before.
Since 1977, the governor of VA has been elected from the opposite party of whoever won the presidency the year before.
This really is pretty par for the course. It’s no different than what happened in 2001, 1993, or 1989.
Hypogean commented:
Weird. On all conservative blogs the trolls are writing “Ha ha ha!” in perfect, robotic unison, like high-kicking North Korean women soldiers in go-go boots.
Is this you, Magic Dog?
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Bobby F. commented:
How much of an asset will he be in getting the Obama agenda passed?
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He’ll be mostly irrelevant to the debate. The House isn’t gonna be the major source of heartburn for the Democrats, the roadblocks are pretty exclusively in the Senate.
But I’m curious…
How much of an asset will Govs. McDonnell and Christie be to blocking Obama’s agenda? What are they gonna do, threaten a filibuster? Oh wait, they’re governors, they don’t get to do that.
Magic Dog commented:
Bobby F., don’t spout facts at these people! You might actually convince them to be sane, and then where would we be? They’re the best entertainment in the room. Goldwater in 2012!! Woo-hoo!
Hypogean commented:
Bobby F. said:
“Two terms are considered “long runs” to hold a governorship?”
Two terms are considered “notorious turnover” for governorships? That’s what the high-kicking Magic North Korean Dog in go-go boots said…
Magic Dog commented:
Hypo: Ha! Ha! Ha! Wanna know what the best part of this is? You people will keep doing exactly what you did in NY-23! You can’t help yourselves!
Hypogean commented:
Bobby F. said:
“How much of an asset will Govs. McDonnell and Christie be to blocking Obama’s agenda?”
Who said they would be an asset? Nobody. You’ve reduced yourself to having arguments with the thin air.
bg commented:
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Bobby F. @ 2:18 am #89
lol, Dede was your candidate..
or haven’t you heard, she’s a Democrat now..
btw, it doesn’t matter who won, it was how the game was played, and par the course, the Dems had an ace up their sleeve named Dede.. I AM HAPPIER SHE SHOWED HER TRUE COLORS THAN I AM SAD HOFFMAN LOST!!
as far as i’m concerned the second best conservative
(albeit i’ve heard him called an Independent) won!!
==
Hypogean commented:
Magic Dog said:
“Goldwater in 2012!! Woo-hoo!”
Excellent. Every time you write this exceptional witticism, it gets even funnier. I can see why you’re so proud of it that you post it several times a day. It’s truly memorable.
Hypogean commented:
Magic Dog said:
“Hypo: Ha! Ha! Ha!”
And the North Korean parade continues…
Magic Dog commented:
Don’t worry Hypo, according to the WSJ, you people are going to knock off that closet case down in Florida, Charlie What’s-His-Name. Go, wingnuts, go!
bg commented:
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Obama
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Hypogean commented:
Look, it’s the troll “Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!” in the flesh:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fl4nPNa2JWE&
Aren’t they convincing?
Hypogean commented:
Magic Dog said:
“Don’t worry Hypo, according to the WSJ, you people are going to knock off that closet case down in Florida, Charlie What’s-His-Name.”
Funny, funny gay bashing! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!
bg commented:
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OMG..
Bloomberg spent 100 million dollars on his campaign..
which pales in comparison to Obama’s 650 million, but still..
what a sick bass ackwards world we live in..
the good that could have been done with that money..
and this is what the politicians do from dusk til dawn 24-7-360 plus..
no wonder half the world is starving..
and they want even more to starve via their Global Warming Scam.. *sigh*
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Hypogean commented:
More Magic Dog style totally not-contrived laughter:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SXSY7oI6oo
Magic Dog commented:
Hypo, I was talking about Charlie What’s-His-Name’s closet liberalism. Are you telling us that he’s also another Larry Craig? Wow!
Magic Dog commented:
Is it common knowledge among Republicans that Charlie What’s-His-Name is a closet homosexual? I had no idea!
mike191 commented:
When the dust settles in NY-23;the unions boots on the ground conjoined with the Working Famlies party with the local Teachers Union manning the phone banks was the difference .The primary voting block is still Conservative in NY-23, organization by the Democrats was superior to theRNCC.
Hypogean commented:
Magic Dog said:
“Is it common knowledge among Republicans that Charlie What’s-His-Name is a closet homosexual? I had no idea!”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqq7K_brDxI
Matt Helm commented:
The big message here is that a third party candidate came within a hair’s breadth of knocking out both major party candidates. I think the GOP got the message: put up fiscally conservative, federalist candidates or else. As for the libbies–I don’t think they got it and even if they did, they can never admit that they’ve got it–especially to themselves. The new would-be aristocracy are like the children posting here–too arrogant and foolish to see what’s plainly in front of their eyes–that the people will no longer tolerate being led by the nose–no longer will we sit in the corner and do as we’re told.
One last thing: How do you call an Obamathug to dinner? SIEU-Y!! Pig! Pig!
Andreas K. commented:
What I find interesting is that all these elections are usually “too close to call”… Hmmmmmm… Kind of weird…
KR commented:
I heard yesterday that Pelosi doesn’t have the votes in the House for her health bill. She needs at least 218 but does not even have 200. So she has been pushing back the date for a vote.
Ohio Granny commented:
The GOP lost the seat but the conservatives won a backbone. Sweet.
Can you hear us now – GOP?
Can you hear us now – Blue Dogs?
Hoffman wasn’t even breaking 10% in the polls ten days ago and even after the Newt “I’m still right” and the Dede knife-in-the-back drama queen stunt, he made a respectable showing.
We have a big tent. Hey, are you black, white, brown, red, yellow? Join us. Hey, do you love free markets? Join us. Hey, do you want to demand taxes roll backs? Join us. Hey, if you want limited government? Join us! Because we have the biggest tent of all.
Hey, are you a pervert, pedophile, and/or progressive? Join them. And uh, make alot of noise while you are at it.
FORAC commented:
One casualty (this vet is willing to accept a strategic loss in NY in favor of two tactical successes in VA and NJ. We are fighting an insurgency, after all…military doctrine applies.)
All in all, a good day. VA and NJ are now “ours”.
Well done, Marines (read: Conservatives).
Well done.
stacy commented:
I’d rather be set on fire than join a liberal democrat.
Their behavior is comparable to the acting on an extrememly low budget horror flick. They are told what to say, and no matter how hard they try, you can still tell they are only reading from a script. No heart at all.
Mike O commented:
Owens has a year before he’s up again. Hopefully, the GOP will have a solid conservative (one a bit more polished than Hoffman; a likable guy but NOT a good candidate) in the mix and the district will go the way of 50 or so other Dem districts and switch.
The lesson is this: the fight is in the GOP primaries and we have GOT to have fiscal conservatives running everywhere, even in purple districts (fiscal/social in the red districts).
nick commented:
Like i say in every Palin thread… this is not the future of the conservative movement and continues to divide, and destroy, the republican party.
Sherry Collins commented:
Wow. Where Sarah Palin spits, no grass grows ever.
The Palin method of attack, attack, attack is a turn off. The voters have shown you they don’t like that type of politics, both in 2008 and last night. So a word to the wise should be sufficient.
Next time, keep Palin, Limbaugh and Beck on the side lines.
Davod commented:
“The Palin method of attack, attack, attack is a turn off.”
Do not be silly. Show me where Palin as attack, attack, attack.
olm commented:
The GOP just had a very expensive lesson Sherry, why in the hell would any one listen the the left after the Scuzzy and McCain debacle?
Palin, Rush and true conservatives win, squishy Democrat light and looney libs like Scuzzzy lose.
olm commented:
Sometimes when I post on here my post never shows up, it happens about 50 % of the time.
Chisum commented:
(Doing it Magic Doggie-style)
Ha ha ha ha
Lessons from Election Night
Republicans had their best night in five years yesterday, winning two governorships in states that went big for Barack Obama last year. They came closer than some would have guessed in holding a California district while running a no-name against the state’s Lieutenant Governor. And while the local GOP botched a district in New York just as bad as they possibly could, the news from NY-23 is actually not bad at all.
Let’s start with the special election in New York. Many of us hoped that Douglas Hoffman could pull off a remarkable outsider bid yesterday to beat Bill Owens, and he came within a couple of points of making it. That puts a Democrat in the seat for the first time since 1993 (not 117 years as has been previously reported).
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/04/lessons-from-election-night/
Matthew commented:
Social Conservatives keep gaining influence within the GOP. This is completely legitimate and is a testament to their hardwork and success at getting their message across. I respect their beliefs but I do believe it is also changing the face of the GOP, for better or for worse depending on your opinion. For me, It it is not a good sign for our country that the GOP couldn’t offer up someone to beat Obama in ’08. (Even sadder that Obama was even a candidate..but that is neither here nor there). I grew up during the Regan presidency and he has always been very influential to me. But can you imagine if he was running today? He would be declared a RINO. I just feel conservatives are pushing out people who could be great leaders and like the libs are creating a cult of personality around figures who shouldn’t even be considered as a president. Palin was an excellent governor and a good figure to gain support for traditional values voters. But how can anyone really feel she is presidential material yet?
Chisum commented:
(More doing it Magic Doggie-style)
Ha ha ha ha
The Obama magic has faded
The Obama invincibility that was so much in evidence then seems to have lost its power. People can argue the reasons why these elections, all in places Obama carried handily, were so close. But if he were the political marvel he was thought to be, these races wouldn’t have been contests, but walkovers. So one consequence of this Election Day is the end of his special political magic.
That’s no surprise — as that magic was a largely substanceless froth whipped up by campaign consultants and compliant big-media cheerleaders.
The truth is, Obama wasn’t ready to be president when he ran in 2008. When he started, he probably thought he had no real chance — he himself admitted upon entering the Senate that he wasn’t qualified to be president — and that his first run would simply be a PR effort that would lift him to the top ranks of Senate Democrats. …
But he was right the first time about not being ready for the Oval Office. As president, he seems confused and a bit distant on the issues, leaving the details to congressional Democrats and an ever-growing number of “czars” while he golfs and launches attacks at Rush Limbaugh and Fox News.
With the economy tanking (unemployment is much worse after Obama’s deficit-swelling stimulus than Obama’s advisers predicted it would be with no stimulus at all), with the promised post-partisanship dissolving into witch-hunts against hostile media and the promised post-racial America devolving into the awkwardly staged “beer summit,” with the “necessary war” in Afghanistan the subject of endless dithering and the promised “smart diplomacy” materializing as a series of awkward missteps by Hillary Clinton, the froth has become a lot less frothy.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/the_obama_magic_has_faded_j5hVLRcxiqTHWberCV1DrK
OUCH!
nick commented:
Matthew
100% agreement
Chisum commented:
So, which party is doing the purging?
Weren’t we just bombarded with claims that the divided GOP hates moderates?
We heard about a billion times that the events in NY-23 proved that the GOP is divided and wants to get rid of all the moderates. Funny that this AP story doesn’t appear until right after the election is over.
“Get on the health overhaul bandwagon, or don’t count on our help in your re-election.”
That’s the hardball message liberal groups are hurling at moderate Democratic senators in a battle that is dividing their party. Their demands: Support a bill that offers optional government-run health coverage and oppose Republican attempts to derail the legislation.
Gee, I thought it was only the GOP who supposedly had litmus tests.
Even so, the liberal MoveOn.org said that in a survey of its 5 million members, 93 percent said the group should not support Democrats who are on the same side as Republicans when it comes to a health overhaul. “No donations, no volunteering and no help getting out the vote,” MoveOn said in an e-mail last week.
The group said Tuesday it was launching radio ads aimed at moderates Lincoln and Sen. Mary Landrieu, D-La., accusing each of “siding with insurance companies.” It was also mailing sharply worded brochures to tens of thousands of households in Arkansas, Louisiana, Nebraska, North Dakota and even Maine — home of moderate GOP Sen. Olympia Snowe — urging recipients to pressure their senators.
http://www.redstate.com/bk/2009/11/04/werent-we-just-bombarded-with-claims-that-the-divided-gop-hates-moderates/
Chisum commented:
I wonder how Moveon.org will feel about supporting THIS candidate next year when he’s up for reelection?
The Public Option and NY-23
While the Democrats are crowing a bit this morning over the unusual circumstances of NY-23, they might want to pay attention to one under-reported fact: Bill Owens, the man NY-23 sent to Congress last night, campaigned against the public option.
That is not exactly a ringing endorsement of Obamacare by the voters up there.
Democrats might want to rethink how they view NY-23.
http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/11/04/the-public-option-and-ny-23/
JPL17 commented:
But can you imagine if [Reagan] was running today? He would be declared a RINO.
What a mindless comment. Care to explain exactly WHAT is left-wing about these core Reagan positions:
–lower income taxes
–lower capital gains taxes
–strong defense
–internationally, U.S. interests come first
–defeat Communism
–strong support for Israel
–pro-life
–anti-Equal Rights Amendment
–reduce size of federal government
–fire all illegally-striking air traffic controllers
–appointment of originalist judges
It sounds like you know next to nothing about Reagan, and even less about conservatism. Go back to school.
Chisum commented:
Lessons from the 2009 election results
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Lessons-from-the-2009-election-results-69054827.html
Matthew commented:
JPL,
Ok let me try to be more clear….. Did he or did not compromise with the Soviets or arms control (against the wishes of more hardlined supporters)…He also refused the to abide by the notion that conservatves should NEVER raise taxes. His war on entitlements never materialized and Social Security was in fact saved under his administration. He also left Lebanon after the Marine Barracks bombing. People would have been calling him “cut and run” or “surrendering”. This doesn’t take away his great leadership. But when you are in position of power you actually have to govern, not just make empty slogans. There are times when situations on the ground call for a president or politican to make a decison that is the better of the bad options. Raising taxs does not make Regan a RINO nor does this ideolgical purity test. There are many of us who are for lower taxs, pro-military (against nation-building) and who can’t stand Democrats. But I also don’t support Social Cons agenda. I respect their belief and in private probally agree with them on lots of issues. But that should not be the litmus test for a leader. What I care about is, will he surround himself with qualified people, is he succesful in his own right, and is he willing to defend our country at all costs.
Matthew commented:
Mindless comment.. good one….intelligent rebuke.
olm commented:
hm, let’s see. Reagan is dead. The idea that we need a Reagan much like we did after Carter, is correct. Arguing Reagan, 30 years later is ridiculous. Reagan was great for that time, we need someone great for this time and I firmly believe that we do not yet know who that is. To nit pit social issues is ridiculous as well. Except for abortion being murder, none of the social issues matter if there is no free USA.
Matthew commented:
Olm,
I agree….my point about Regan is that if we eliminate people because they are “RINO” or other various social issues, the next leader will never even be possible. he would have been eliminated before he even began. That was my only point in bringing up Reagan
greenfairie commented:
This needs to be a lesson to the GOP that you can’t call an outhouse a perfume factory. Scuzzyflava or whatever her name is was about as moderate as Barney Frank. She was a Manchurian candidate who was going to vote with Nancy Pelosi all of the way and once the oh-so-surprised GOP cries betrayal, she dramatically switches parties and gets on some sweet committees in return. Had she withdrawn sooner and got her name off the ballot, Hoffman might have won. Good riddance to poor trash.
bg commented:
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the RINO’s of today are in no way like the RINO’s of yesterday..
if Dede isn’t a LIBERAL Dem, then
Hoffman isn’t a conservative Rep..
READ THEIR VOTING RECORDS..
we don’t want Democrats Light, which is
about what the Reps have morphed into..
bring principle’s back or let them ALL go!!
btw, it sounds like a few people in here
have been drinking the MSM koolaid..
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JPL17 commented:
intelligent rebuke
Not really. First, you’re wrong about Reagan’s supposed moderation with the Soviets. It was Reagan’s hardlined refusal to bargain with the Soviets over missile defense — against the demands of more moderate critics — that helped bankrupt the U.S.S.R. Second, your other evidence of Reagan’s so-called “moderation” doesn’t really prove that he’d be considered a RINO today. Nearly every contemporary conservative commenter that I’m familiar with agrees that Reagan’s withdrawal from Lebanon, failure to shrink the size of the bloated federal government, and limited tax increase, while unfortunate, were necessary given the political, strategic and other constraints of the time. I don’t think I’ve heard any prominent contemporary conservative accuse Reagan of abandoning his core conservative principles. If you have an example of one, or of a prominent contemporary conservative calling Reagan a RINO, please produce it. Otherwise, your argument is really, really weak.
Matthew commented:
JPL,
Again, i think you are missing my point. I am not arguing about whether I agree or disagree with Reagan’s policies. My point, is that things on the ground change and sometimes politicans (even great ones like Reagan) have to take a second look at their positions. You are right that Reagan spent his platform as a candidate opposing Carter’s negotiations with arms control. But once he took office he eventually softened his position (Reagan and Gorbachev eventually concluded the landmark Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces (INF) agreement and established the foundation for the Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty (START).
He was a great president and one thing about his greatness was his refusal to abide stubornly with ideology and instead govern America the best way possible.
Your assertion that I provide evidence of someone calling Reagan a RINO again is missing the point. Reagan was about building coalitions. These coalitions included Ivy League republicans (Think first President Bush), Disaffected democrats, small business and social cons. RINO is a relatively new concept, so obviously it would be impossible to find someone who called him a RINO. And again, this is besides the point because I said IF Reagan was running TODAY he would be called a RINO.
You stated that conservative commentators agreed that the limited tax increase was unfortunate, but necessary given the situation at the time. But this is the point, the orthodoxy now states that it is never ok to raise taxs. if Reagan was running now for re-election after having rasied taxs… he would be called a RINO by many on the conservative side. Leaving Lebanon after being bombed? Can you imagine the criticsm nowadays? All we would hear from Reagan opponants (on left and right) would be that he “cut and run”.
Again my issue is not with Reagan (who I think is a great president), but more with the pundit class and blind idealogues.
Chisum commented:
(More Magic Doggie-style)
Ha ha ha ha
Headline of the Day
http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/11/headline_of_the_day_3.asp
Chisum commented:
(Magic Doggie-style)
Ha ha ha ha
Forget the 2-1 Spin; It Was a Rout
The Democrats did not lose a 2-1 squeaker last night. They lost two huge races, saw an overall evaporation of 25 basis points of support — and lost by nearly 500,000 cumulative votes in the three high-profile elections.
Or put another way, Republicans won two races decided by millions of voters — and Democrats won a small race dominated by party operatives. In addition, the GOP made some historic gains in Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Washington state special elections to boot.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/11/forget_the_21_spin_it_was_a_ro.html
jenny commented:
The republican candidate was further left than the democrat. Conservatives ousted a far left candidate from the ballot and in the end the locals were also sending a message that people on a national level need to butt out and mind their own business.
The dems are crowing over a 3% win over a third party candidate? What exactly did they “win”, one more DIABLO into the fold? Boy, that’s showin’em!
JPL17 commented:
I think I understand you pretty well, Matthew, and still think you’re wrong…not so much about Reagan, but about current-day conservatives. We’re willing to accommodate a much wider spectrum of opinions than you give us credit for. But some politicians have so many positions that are so far outside mainstream conservative thought, it’s self-destructive for conservatives to support them. Dede Scozzafava was one of them. Speculating that conservatives would treat Reagan the way they treat Scozzafava today is, I think, absurd.