Pro-Abortion Kennedy Bashes Catholic Church For Obamacare Opposition (Video) …Update: Kennedy's Bishop Calls Him a Disappointment
Posted by Jim Hoft on Friday, October 23, 2009, 4:05 PM
Another day… Another Pro-abortion Kennedy bashes the Catholic Church.
Rep. Patrick Kennedy does not understand why the Catholic Church would oppose rationed nationalized health care that covers abortion.
CNS News reported, via FOX Nation:
Rep. Patrick Kennedy (D-R.I) told CNSNews.com that the Catholic Church is doing nothing but fanning “the flames of dissent and discord” by taking the position that it will oppose the health-care reform bill under consideration in Congress unless it is amended to explicitly prohibit funding of abortion.
“I can’t understand for the life of me how the Catholic Church could be against the biggest social justice issue of our time, where the very dignity of the human person is being respected by the fact that we’re caring and giving health care to the human person–that right now we have 50 million people who are uninsured,” Kennedy told CNSNews.com when asked about a letter the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) had sent to members of Congress stating the bishops’ position on abortion funding in the health-care bill.
Evidently, the Catholic bishops did not believe the most radical pro-abortion, pro-infanticide president in history when he promised Americans that abortion would not be covered in his nationalized health care plan.
UPDATE: Kennedy’s bishop called him a disappointment today and asked for an apology.
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KR commented:
“I can’t understand…”
That’s the root problem with so many politicians.
myna commented:
Patrick Kennedy should renounce his religion and stop calling himself Catholic. Catholic does not believe in abortion and does not support planned parenthood. Patrick, stop spewing your BS.
Joanne commented:
The guy is a moron, and 50 million? I think he is rounding up or something. If the Catholic Church supports the funding of abortions in Obamacare, then they are supporting the killing of the unborn. What is so hard to understand?
Sasja commented:
Giving health care to the human person (as opposed to what, a lizard person)? I suppose he means only the human persons allowed to be born. In the pro-abortionist eyes, there are no human persons in the womb.
IOpian commented:
The..”biggest social justice issue of our time, where the very dignity of the human person is being respected by the fact that we’re caring and giving health care to the human person.”
What’s with this ‘human person’ idiocy?
ron roth commented:
It’s time we realized that the Kennedys are not,and with the exception of Rose have never been , Catholic. They have cynically used the the faith throughout their lives. I became physically ill watching priests and bishops preside at the funeral of Teddy the drunken killer.
CHRI$TOPHER DODD commented:
You tell ‘em Patrick!
We can be PRO-ABORTION and still be catholic. CT. would not dare http://www.dumpchrisdodd.com
Cargosquid commented:
He just called Obama a liar. Obama said that we only had 30 million uninsured.
“where the very dignity of the human” (unless aborted)
What a moron.
Teddy's SEARCH+RESCUE commented:
Your father would be proud.
http://www.FATBOY.cc
DO IT FOR TED!
Gini commented:
I’m not at all surprised.
But when shall any of these pro-abortion “Roman Catholics” be excommunicated?
Which Cardinal will have the courage to do that?
Am afraid pigs shall fly first.
Eriah commented:
I am getting tired of hearing “social justice”. Killing unborn children with taxpayer dollars in the name of “social justice” is not only anti-catholic it is also inhumane. I scold all of you catholics who support this so called “social justice”
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Ted commented:
CINO
Paddy commented:
PK should be excommunicated. The Church needs to send a message to politicians that claim to be Catholic, but flaunt its beliefs and moral standards.
Suzy commented:
New rules for the acceptance of welfare money just out: all persons who wish government monies must agree to abort any children in utero and then be sterilized.
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gus commented:
Let me help you Kennedy.
The Catholic Church does not approve of killing babies.
There, that settles things.
LYING LURCH KERRY commented:
I’m CATHOLIC. Pro Abortion,Homo marriage,Fetal stem-cell research,etc.
I SERVED IN VIETNAM. http://www.SWIFTVETS.com
Ken commented:
Seems to me Kennedy as blinded as you guys are, just in reverse. Isn’t health care a human rights issue? In a wealthy country like the U.S., of course it is. But isn’t abortion the ultimate violation of health care rights? Of course it is.
Dell commented:
Every Kennedy – except Rose – is in for a traumatic shock when the Vatican finally decides it’s time to put this issue to rest. There have been hints, but great pains are being taken to dot every “i” and cross every “t”.
When the day finally comes, the Lord will smile down on the Pope and the truly faithful. The Kennedys and their ilk (and there are millions of them in North America) will find themselves looking for another church or standing in line for forgiveness. That day CANNOT come soon enough for this Catholic writer.
Stephen commented:
“that right now we have 50 million people who are uninsured”
Lets see here….35,000,000 minus the illegals and that figure drops to at least 15,000,000, perhaps as low as 12,000,000 counting the willing uninsured. Ah well, at least these figures are only inflated 3-4 fold, unlike the 11 fold plus claims of the left of the civilian deaths in Iraq. A recent study by the Iraqi government putting the total at around 86,000….a far cry from 1,000,000 or more. Then again the left does a good job using BS statistics.
“But when shall any of these pro-abortion “Roman Catholics” be excommunicated?”
I honestly wish the papacy would excommunicate not only the pro-abortion ‘Catholics’ but also the Liberation Theologists (Christian socialists, an oxymoron I know) and Black Liberation Theologists (‘revrend’ Wright) and declare the latter two as Heresy and the last one as Blasphemy.
It’s a shame, in the US, the majority of the Catholic population is socialist/populist and Catholic in name only, while in Europe the Catholic population forms the bulk of the last bastion of conservatism, morality and spirituality.
“I’m CATHOLIC. Pro Abortion,Homo marriage,Fetal stem-cell research,etc.”
Everyone knows that Kerry, Pelosi and the like are Christian by association/by name only. They keep the ‘label’ for political purposes only. Maybe they actually think they are Christian–I mean if you delude yourself enough you ultimately begin to believe your own lies. Who knows? In any case a classic case of “Liberal Christianity is neither.” It is neither ‘liberal’ nor is it ‘Christian’ but instead is a pseudo-faith invented by the politically correct and flaunted by them.
RichardG commented:
I think Patrick Kennedy is spot on here. I’m a Catholic too, and I don’t like abortion any more than anybody else does, but this is a serious issue here. We’re talking about tens of millions of people who have no health insurance at all in this country, and we are finally at a point in history when we can do something about this injustice and increase the living standards of millions of our own citizens by extending healthcare to them. For the Catholic Church to ignore this reality and oppose a fundamentally good healthcare program over one small facet of it–abortion–is appalling to me. Doing this goes against everything I’ve been taught by my faith from childhood onward–it’s our duty to help those in need, and many, many people are in need of healthcare in this country. I hope the Church comes to its senses and throws its full weight and influence behind healthcare reform at this critical stage. How many more people will suffer and die needlessly if we do not finally reform the healthcare system in this country?
Neo commented:
For crying out lound .. poor Patrick Kennedy has probably been so buzzed for the last couple of decades that he probably hasn’t found the inside of a Catholic Church, except for funerals when the rest of the family is equally buzzed.
Joe Steel commented:
The Catholic Church will have no credibility until it puts as much effort into stopping unjustified war as it does into stopping abortion. Both kill innocents and are abominations.
garrett commented:
No, Ken, Healthcare is not a right. Nor are housing, college attendance, food, communications or transportation rights. All these are equally important to functioning members of our society. Society may have an interest in guaranteeing access to affordable commodities such as food, housing, etc, so that members can afford to take lower paying jobs that nevertheless are very valuable.
However, society, and its government owes no one the right to survive. The government is here to protect your right to survive. The work is up to you. It is not our society that is wealthy, it is the individuals in the society, some of which are wealthy; almost all of which are able to obtain the basic needs for survival in plentiful measure.
Perhaps you are thinking of Charity. Charity is most effective when delivered individual to individual and second best through small accountable organizations. It is very ineffective when delivered through government. In fact what happens is that a whole class of dependent individuals develops.
thetownecrier commented:
Kennedy is a politician first, then a Catholic. That is why he does not understand the church’s position as above.
Galt commented:
Forced collectivization cannot be equated with social justice, nor does it allow for human dignity.
Government involvement has made health insurance difficult to obtain; increased control by politicians will make health care itself hard to obtain.
This “reform” must be opposed, on humanitarian grounds, and not just because of the abortion issue.
Ken commented:
garrett, I basically agree with everything you said. Strictly speaking, no one has a right to demand care from anyone else. But the scripture tells us God is concerned for the poor, so we should be too. It is demanded of us. And as inefficient as government is at doing that for us, it can do it when we don’t. And the fact is that for all the Church does individually and collectively, people are suffering. And that’s the big reason I’m a Democrat.
One Way commented:
Christians are called to grow in faith, hope and love. That’s the work we do in concert with the Holy Spirit.
“Faith is dead without works.” I believe St. Paul tells us this.
As a community of believers, we’re to encourage one another when we find ourselves having to choose between the ways of this world and the higher path of following Christ.
Too many of us take the easier road, denying God His opportunity to do a great work both in us and in those who are priviledged to witness His Hand.
Our nation, at this time in its history, needs believers to stand strong, to be faith-filled and to point to the better way.
gus commented:
Ken.
Health care isn’t a right. No matter how much you wish it was, it is not. Our RIGHTS are enumerated in the Constitution. Abortion and Government provided health care are not there.
It’s really that simple.
Richard Romano commented:
The Catholic Church will have no credibility until it puts as much effort into stopping unjustified war as it does into stopping abortion. Both kill innocents and are abominations.
Quite possibly the most ignorant and dishonest statement ever posted on here by our friend Joe Steel.
Is the Taliban innocent? Osama Bin Laden? What about Saddam and his murderous sons?
The innocent Iraqis who were killed were predominantly murdered by either fellow Iraqis or foreign jihadists.
Sigh, hard to believe I even need to respond to such nonsense.
Claudia commented:
RichardG. you ask:”How many more people will suffer and die needlessly if we do not finally reform the healthcare system in this country?”
At last count, around 50,000,000 people have suffered and died brutal agonizing deaths from abortion,so, please tell me, as one Catholic to another, that you consider an unborn child a person too?
How about we apply Catholic social justice to the most defenseless among us–the unborn child?
gus commented:
Richard G. Poor people recieve health care upon demand. They cannot be turned away under the law. INSURANCE is not a right. Insurance merely indemnifies a person from the catostrophic costs of service he or she recieves.
Nothing personal, but it’s not that hard of a concept. Dumb Americans, (you included) simply do not understand the concept of INSURANCE.
Poor people have no risk at all. If they are poor now and they get sick. They get treated.
They suffer no financial consequences.
Insurance is not a right. It is a comodity.
Richard Romano commented:
At last count, around 50,000,000 people have suffered and died brutal agonizing deaths from abortion,so, please tell me, as one Catholic to another, that you consider an unborn child a person too?
You’re so right Claudia to point out how horrific the abortion procedures are. Truly monstrous. And, even more monstrously, perpetrated on an innocent baby. Truly astonishing how anyone can be militantly pro-abortion.
Sanmon commented:
Sucking the brains out of an 8 month old fetus is health care for these types of people. So is a death panel as money dries up. But what ever you do you must support the Polar Bear.
Ken commented:
gus, as someone who has sent a check to his uninsured sister every month for the past year to help her pay huge medical bills for treatments to save her life and her husband’s, I can say you don’t know what you’re talking about. The poor cannot legally be refused coverage (although, human nature being what is is, of course sometimes they are). But they pay through the nose for it.
Ken commented:
Oh, and it’s only for emergencies that the poor cannot legally be denied coverage.
One Way commented:
In case you missed the “rationed” care in the UK’s nationalized healthcare system, google Sarah Capewell.
She held her baby for two hours ’til he died, crying, in her arms. Though she pleaded with the hospital, her child was refused aid. Breathing on his own, he was born two (2) days too early to receive care.
If you find the right site, you will see the pictures she took of her baby. Undeniably a child.
Undeniably evil to say “no” to one of God’s own.
Bobbi commented:
I just can’t understand wh6y the Pope doesn’t just come out and ex-communicate those who favor abortions, what to speak of those who promote it?
gus commented:
Ken you haven’t a clue. No one can be denied treatment. From a stubbed toe, to cancer.
Poor people cannot be charged through the nose for anything. If they have no money they cannot pay.
Ken, I’m sure you’re well meaning, but you aren’t very bright. Learn something before running your mouth. As an educated tax payer, I can you say Ken, you don’t know what you’re talking about. Best wishes to your sister.
Sasja commented:
Ken, you are a good brother and it is your duty to help family members in need. It is not the responsibility of taxpayers to do it. I, too, have gone without health insurance and had to pay out of pocket for a medical problem a few years ago. It took me three years to pay off that debt. So what. It was my responsibility, not my neighbors. I want to add that I had no health insurance but was treated anyway. Apparently Ken’s sister and brother-in-law are getting medical care. They just don’t want to have to pay for it.
John Fembup commented:
“for the life of me” ??
Good one, Patrick.
bg commented:
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the CC is doing nothing but fanning
“the flames of dissent and discord”
dhimmispeak translation:
there will be no transparency & we will not debate the issue (clicks
heels together as he simultaneously raises a stiff upper right arm),
strides away mumbling to himself: Obama Care is a one way street,
walk it & die, uh, uh, uh, or die..
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Ladue Pundit commented:
And the fact is that for all the Church does individually and collectively, people are suffering. And that’s the big reason I’m a Democrat.
Ken
October 23rd, 2009 | 2:51 pm 28
Newsflash Phony Catholic Dem–Jesus was not on an economic mission. The poor, he said, will always be with us.
There is a difference between being “covered by insurance” and receiving treatment. Ask any Canadian.
The Democrat Party Platform supports infanticide. And that’s why you are a phony. You want taxpayers to fund infanticide, and that’s why you are immoral. You don’t care about poor people.
Stephen commented:
“And the fact is that for all the Church does individually and collectively, people are suffering. And that’s the big reason I’m a Democrat.”
You should look at statistics….the wealth of the US is broken down roughly 50/50 between the left wing ‘half’ of the population and right wing ‘half’ of the population. Some left-wingers may ask how given that the ‘evil rich’ are illegedly all on the right, however the ‘three A’s', Actors, Athletes and Artists/Muscians are overwhelming left wing and their wealth adds up.
As for concern for your fellow man, it is the conservative element which gives the most to charity. Indeed conservative Christians give four times as much to charities than the average person on the left. One major reason why there is the diminished amount of money given to charity, not only in the US but throughout the Western World is due to the cancer of secularism, anti-religion and atheism. It dominates most of Europe and is spreading to this country.
Your political affiliation puts you in the same ‘group’ as the people who destroy the brotherly love of humanity all in order to have control, to ‘take’ from those who they deem need to have stuff ‘taken’ from them and to ‘give’ to those who they deem ‘worthy.’ They are playing God, albeit a lot of them do not believe in anything. Class warfare is the oldest populist trick in the book, people throughout history have used the rule of the mob to get into power. One would think that people would learn, but then again some things are too appealing to the weaknesses of humanity, greed, envy, pride and scapegoating.
You do not need a government option for competition for health insurance, indeed a government option is historically proven to fail. How people can believe that is beyond me. Look at computers for example, in 1995 it cost $5,000.00 for a desktop computer, however nowadays you can get a better one for $700.00. When one applies inflation to the 1995 figure, it becomes $7,000.00 (6,998.68 to be exact) as of the 2008 value of the USD. Now last I looked there was no ‘Government Computer Company’ to help ‘Lower the Costs.’
Now I’m not claiming that forcing the issue of national compilation would lower costs so drastically, however it would bring costs in line. When companies need to compete to deliver the best product and best service, costs go down. If the government gets involved, there is no competition, as the government has no incentive to provide the best product and best service at the lowest price. I mean the government raised it’s pay during this recession. I simply used the computer analogy in order to prove that the government is not needed.
Richard of Oregon commented:
No surprise here. A Kenedy is genetically restrained from being pro life.
One Way commented:
God is most concerned about our *spiritual* poverty. Ours and well as others, who might be equally “poor.”
He tells us, “Why do you worry today about what you will eat, or wear? Look how I take care of the birds of the air – how much more will I take care of you.”
It’s never too early to begin to trust God in *all* things.
One Way commented:
Has it occurred to other Christians that each time they choose the world’s answer rather than the way of the Lord, there’s a good chance He might consider that act
“Denying Him”…?
“He who denies me, I will deny him before my Father.”
Chisum commented:
House Democrats Likely Won’t Allow Vote to Cut Abortion From Health Care Bill
http://www.lifenews.com/nat5598.html#
bg commented:
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Stephen @ 3:36 pm #46
as always, enlightening, thank you..
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Mark in Kansas commented:
What`s really disappointing is that so many people who indicate they`re in favor of a government operated health-care system either willfully fail to predict the results of a program or just don`t have the mental capacity to do so. This absolutely will not turn out as the proponents tell you it will. No government program ever does.
There is absolutely no way that a government operated health-care system will not result in a rationing of services. Your need for a health-care service would be evaluated by a panel whose primary goal is to bring the program in on budget. Whether the service would extend your life or alleviate your suffering would be merely a secondary consideration.
bg commented:
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”I am certain nothing has done so much to destroy the juridical
safeguards of individual freedom as the striving after the mirage
of social justice.”
“I have come to feel strongly that the greatest service I can still render to my fellow men would be that I could make the speakers and writers among them thoroughly ashamed ever again to employ the term ’social justice’.”
~ Friedrich A. Hayek
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bg commented:
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re: Mark in Kansas @ 3:55 pm #52
just a few sample’s..
flashback:
Medicaid Rationing Will Cost More in the End
Medicaid Rationing Will Cost More in the End
flashforward:
Doctors Say Health Care Rationing Already Exists
[Americans might be justifiably nervous about losing control of their health care decisions, especially if they think government bureaucrats will be in charge. But some doctors and economists argue that, in effect, the U.S. health care system is already rationing, in the most unproductive ways.
"In America, we strictly ration health care. We've done it for years," says Dr. Arthur Kellermann, professor of emergency medicine and associate dean for health policy at Emory University School of Medicine. "But in contrast to other wealthy countries, we don't ration medical care on the basis of need or anticipated benefit. In this country, we mainly ration on the ability to pay. And that is especially evident when you examine the plight of the uninsured in the United States."]
that is where we’re all eventually headed re: Obama’s public option plan..
btw, please take Obama’s words to heart.. and ask yourself what he means
by “Universal Health Care”?? imho, that means the US will eventually
be under the auspices of the UN..
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bg commented:
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another flashback to the future:
Wake-up Call: Islamists Insert
Themselves into Healthcare Debate
[What is remarkable and at issue here, is certainly not the right of MPAC’s leadership to have a personal opinion on health care policy. But what is most telling is how these Islamist organizations have a way of finding a way to worm themselves and their Islamization agenda into every political issue related to government under the name of Islam and Muslims. As is typical of Islamists, they exploit Muslim faith based organizations and their often unsuspecting supporters and members for their own very specific domestic and foreign policy agenda of the day. This agenda clearly and malignantly crosses the line of mosque and state in an aim to impose the Islamization of every topic related to the domain of government and public policy upon the Muslim community and ultimately the greater American community.
Does this ring a bell? It’s the modus operandi of the Muslim Brotherhood (MB). They are a well known political party in Egypt with a specific political platform that has now metastasized around the world into hundreds of splinter groups with a headquarters also in London. Ultimately that political platform is Islamism (a.k.a. Political Islam). Islamism is specifically the desire to somehow put shar’iah law (Islamic jurisprudence) into place in government through a legal system not based in reason but rather based in clerical exegesis of Islamic jurisprudence. The Brotherhood is the predominant global face or front of that movement.
When it comes to domestic policy stances, one can usually pick out MB politics from a mile away. On economic issues, the Islamist (MB) platform is heavily socialist based in government entitlement programs. They thus will see common cause on economic issues with the left in the United States. On social issues, the Islamist platform is focused on their own version of family values and they will try and seek common cause with the right in the U.S. on those issues. Just in these two examples it begins to become more clear that Islamists are neither Democrat nor Republican. On foreign policy their stances are also easily identifiable. They have their own political platform-Islamism. They advocate for Western isolationism in order to allow for unimpeded advancement of Islamist movements globally. Forget any advocacy for liberty. They are doves as minorities from within the West so that their brothers can be hawks from within Muslim majority nations so they can impose and spread Islamism abroad. In domestic and foreign policy politics they will support whichever party stands less of a threat to the advocacy of the transnational Islamist agenda.
Thus, while members of the Muslim Brotherhood (Ikhwan) front groups in the United States will certainly not be carrying cards identifying themselves as Ikhwan, their ideologies can be easily identified. What is particularly identifiable is not only their ideas but the way that they use the banner of Islam or "Muslims" to advocate for any and all domestic or foreign policies within the Islamist agenda. It is sad that to this day it remains rare to find active leading American Muslims who take these organizations like CAIR (Council on American Islamic Relations) , MPAC (Muslim Public Affairs Council), MAS (Muslim American Society), or ISNA (Islamic Society of North America) to task for their "grand deception". The deception is that the majority of Muslims agree with any of their stances that identify their comprehensive Islamist political platform under the banner of our faith of Islam. Regardless of their denials, they cannot avoid the fact that their use of the terms "Islamic" or "Muslim" in their organizations is exploitative when they weigh in on non-faith based policy debates and are advancing the agenda of political Islam.]
RTWT (links @ link)!!
God bless you for watching out for US Dr. Jasser!!
much more here:
http://www.aifdemocracy.org/
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People\\\'s Front of Judea commented:
The only time the Kennedy’s care about the Catholic Church is when they need an annulment from their current marriage.
Galt commented:
Hayek’s right. In my experience, projects that claim the goal of “social justice” usually require that we compromise actual justice.
I too wish we could wave a magic wand that would provide the food and medicine that people need to prosper.
The princes and the politicians say they’ve got that magic wand, but I won’t put my faith in them. Their “cures” cultivate corruption, waste and dependence — which make it even harder for the poor to make their own way.
Pat the First commented:
I am not a Catholic, but I know that there are no Catholics who truly believe that abortion is not a sin. What you have in Patrick Kennedy is someone who plays at being a Catholic, rather than being one.
Craig commented:
Stephen (46)
Great comment!
In private heath care, you are a “PLUS”, they appreciate your clientele.
In Goverment Health Care, you are a “MINUS”, they don’t appreciate your clientèle.
Paul_In_Houston commented:
“I can’t understand for the life of me how the Catholic Church could be against the biggest social justice issue of our time,…
Just because funding for murdering unborn babies is in the bill is no reason for the Church to get into a snit over it. /sarc off
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Craig commented:
Kennedy says he is a Catholic like some people here say they are conservatives.
bg commented:
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not that i believe in polls, but politicians do..
More Americans “Pro-Life” Than “Pro-Choice” for First Time
and albeit represents the real change in attitude, since the revelations
produced (ironically) via scientific technology, i’m certain more have
switched over to the pro life side than this (or any other) poll depicts..
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crystal commented:
One Way
October 23rd, 2009 | 3:51 pm 49
Has it occurred to other Christians that each time they choose the world’s answer rather than the way of the Lord, there’s a good chance He might consider that act
“Denying Him”…?
“He who denies me, I will deny him before my Father.”
Thank you for that! I believe that this is the point of divergence for those who say they are followers of Christ, and for those truly who are.
It takes dying to oneself, on a daily basis, as Paul said. It’s not easy….but the the fact of the matter is this: By choosing your way over God’s, you are exalting yourself above Him. Period. God does not demand perfection from us. Rather, He asks for a heart that is surrendered to Him.
How can one honestly say that abortion is tolerable, and truly call themselves a believer?
There is forgiveness of sin. We are not called, as believers, to condemn. We are called to be His hands, His feet, and to carry His heart.
Maybe we should get back to the basics, get into the Word of God, and see what He says is a true follower.
As for Craig’s assertation about conservatives…whatever. He has his own special definition of what it means to be conservation.
Sal commented:
Ken
October 23rd, 2009 | 3:07 pm 37
Oh, and it’s only for emergencies that the poor cannot legally be denied coverage.
*************
Go to any emergency room and you’ll see lots of uninsured patients. It is used for non-emergency sickness and they are not denied…you know those pesky lawsuits against hospitals, they don’t deny.
bg commented:
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Craig @ 4:48 pm #61
and some people can’t identify their own usurpers as they prattle
off pathetic platitudes & consternation’s in regards to others.. :p
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bg commented:
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Pat the First @ 4:41 pm #58
eh, like father like son..
ironically, one of which drove the others Mother to drink via
driving a young lady off a bridge to her premature death..
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Ken commented:
Some left-wingers may ask . . .
Not me. I don’t divide the world between the good (Democrats) and the bad (Republicans), and I have great respect for conservative principles. And yes you’re absolutely right, as I have pointed out to secular Lefties who attacked me for it just the same way I’m attacked here (and I’m not complaining, it’s like water off a duck’s back): religious conservatives give far more to charity than their secular, Leftie critics.
Having said that, can you really not imagine that a lot of good and charitable people who have no interest in controlling other people per se could be liberals because they see that private individuals and institutions still leave many needs unmet? I’m sorry, but I can only understand that inability to understand that as a failure of charity. Disagree with them on the efficacy of their programs and I’ll respect that and even agree in some cases. But their hearts are in the right place.
GFFM commented:
Patrick Kennedy is about as Catholic my dog. You can call yourself Catholic when you are pro-death, but that doesn’t make it so. If you think you are in good standing with the Church then you are delusional.
Ken commented:
Sasja, my brother and sister are paying for it, that’s the point. They’re paying for it because they like many others in their situation are decent people. They’re paying for it because if they weren’t, they could be sued and lose what they have. And they’re paying for it because they don’t want to ruin their credit.
Please put yourselves in their shoes before you say the poor get free care.
BarbaraS commented:
The Catholic church is not going to excommunicate any of these pro-abortion liberals like the Kennedys. They donate too much to the church.
However, Patrick Kennedy’s brain has been fried by the drugs he took. He’s just a chip off the old block and just like the rest of the Kennedys. I wish this country, especially Massacusetts, would get a clue. The Kennedys are trash and their fortunes are based on rum and gun running. Their father was a nazi lover and anti American.
C-CS commented:
excommunication for the kenneys…does the Church leadership have the guts?!
Teddy K commented:
A very small percentage of abortions are performed to save a mothers life. The VAST majority are to cover irresponsible people who don’t use birth control.
Then again there never has been a Kennedy that thought they should be help responsible for their actions. So a drunk/addict like PK never would get it.
olm commented:
Any Kennedy who would speak so irrepsonsibly should be rreprimanded and possibly excommunicated.
I’ve had enough of this conscience-less family.
That probably is truly not a word and not even close to correct but I’m too tired to care.
Rob commented:
If you want to live in a nanny state, than you may move at any time, to Europe. The nanny state there is in full operation. You may enjoy everything that the government gives you for free. They will even wipe your behind, if you are too lazy to do it for yourself. No charge.
Only it’s not really free in Europe. Because of the 70% income taxes, and the insidious VAT taxes, and other taxes that bleed the hard working people dry. Someone must pay. Nothing in this world is free.
Because the European birth rate is down, they must import workers, to work the jobs the Europeans can’t or won’t, to pay the taxes that allow the freeloading crybabies to live the lavish lifestyles, that they have demanded from their government and grown accustomed to.
The American whiners, who are demanding the government intrude into their lives, will not be much different from their European counterparts.
To the American crybabies, Europe needs you, to boost their population, to pay the taxes, and perhaps you can organize their communities.
Isn’t that what the Lord would want you to do?
bg commented:
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Ken @ 6:08 pm #67
perhaps if more Democrats gave more vs taking, charities wouldn’t be
so disparaged by high & mighty think they know it alls such as yourself..
just a sample:
Democrats wake up to being the party of the rich
Conservatives More Liberal Givers
Bleeding Heart Tightwads
America, the Most Charitable Nation in the World
[Americans are the most charitable people in the world. That is not just a generous exaggeration. The voluntary giving of the American people during times of need has been documented in many different studies. These studies show that Americans will give far more towards helping out their
fellow man, in times of trouble, than any other private citizenry in the world. Here are statistics some of those studies have shown.]
U.S. most charitable nation; oil-rich Muslim countries give almost nothing
links @ link..
God Bless America/ns!!
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Craig commented:
World’s most charitable nations
A country’s social and political cultures influence how much money citizens give to charity, according to a November 2006 study by England’s Charities Aid Foundation that ranks philanthropic donation as a percentage of gross domestic product. Among nations surveyed, these 10 are the most generous.
• 1. United States, 1.67 percent of GDP
• 2. United Kingdom, 0.73
• 3. Canada, 0.72
• 4. Australia, 0.69
• 5. South Africa, 0.64
• 6. Ireland, 0.47
• 7. Netherlands, 0.45
• 8. Singapore, 0.29
• 9. New Zealand, 0.29
• 10. Turkey, 0.23
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16638810/
Jason commented:
Well, on the positive side, I think Patrick may be sober when he said this. The guy is an infamous drunk in the state of RI. he only went to rehab to save his seat. Re-election and he is getting the boot. That is, if he doesn’t kill some innocent person first while driving drunk again.
Jason commented:
Every Kennedy – except Rose – is in for a traumatic shock when the Vatican finally decides it’s time to put this issue to rest. There have been hints, but great pains are being taken to dot every “i” and cross every “t”.
—–every kennedy but Rose is a drunk and/or drug addict
bg commented:
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just a sample:
flashback: 2001
Perspectives on the European Health
Care Systems: Some Lessons for America
[For Members of Congress and state legislators, there are some valuable lessons from the European experience that should be less surprising.
* If you insist on government management of the health care system, do not expect freedom from waste, inefficiency, or inequity in the delivery of care (look at France).
* If you want to promise citizens a national or state program of universal insurance coverage, don't expect that you will be able to deliver universal access to high-quality health care. You won't and you can't (look at Britain).
* If you want to fix prices for medical services, prescription drugs, or other medical devices, don't expect demand for these goods and services to be met or investment in research and development to continue apace. It won't (look anywhere).
* If you insist, with a straight face, that in a government-run health care system, all of your fellow citizens will be treated equally--regardless of their class, station in life, or disease condition--you are not merely enthusiastic or well intentioned. You are lying.
Health care policy is complex and difficult. In the reform of America's public health programs, and in creating new opportunities for individuals and families in the private markets, policymakers at the state and federal levels should learn as much as they can about what works and what doesn't in every health care system. In that way, they can better determine what should and should not be done here. The experts assembled by the Centre for the New Europe who came here to speak are an excellent resource.]
French health service is falling apart, say doctors [2004]
[ The French health service, regarded as the world's best, is falling apart, a petition signed by 286 of its most senior hospital doctors claims. Waiting lists, almost unknown in France five years ago, are becoming common, and there is a severe shortage of doctors and nurses.
"In casualty units, sick people have to wait for hours, sometimes even days, on stretchers, because there are no beds for them in the hospital," said the doctors' petition, sent to the newspaperLe Monde.]
flashforward: 2008
Canadian Health Care We So Envy Lies In Ruins, Its Architect Admits
[..] Americans should know that one of the founding fathers of Canada’s government-run health care system has turned against his own creation. If ClaudeCastonguay is abandoning ship, why should Americans bother climbing on board? ]
Europe’s free health care has a hefty price tag [2009]
["The U.S. health system is a bit of a mess, but based on what's happened
in some countries in Europe, I'd be nervous about recommending more government involvement."]
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bg commented:
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the US health care system needs to be
reformed.. not removed or replaced!!
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Pat the First commented:
Actually, I think health insurance needs a few things . . . like tort reform and portability. Rates would drop rapidly if just those 2 things would happen.
bg commented:
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abortion for thee..
not for me..
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Scrapiron commented:
“that right now we have 50 million people who are uninsured,” . As usual a democrat is off by about 100 million people if you include the 100 million who don’t need health care due to being murdered (aborted) by democrats.
Joe commented:
PK is a blow-hard, just like his father. How these people can call themselves Catholic is beyond me. But, having said that, the Catholic Church could put a stop to it if it wanted to. They are not COMPELLED to administer Communion, and so, they appear, although they protest, to be allowing
their parishioners to continue advocating the murder of unborn children.
Aine commented:
Now you begin to understand some of the problems with the State of Rhode Island.
This man has been automatically re-elected for years either because “he’s a Kennedy,” or “he’s a Democrat,” or he’s “poor Patrick” (a reference to his personal battles with addiction and depression).
In fact, both the state’s Congressmen need to be replaced with representatives who actually understand and uphold the Constitution of the United States, rather than voting on bills based upon their personal views and ideology…and who do not give interviews full of madness and misinformation, like this one.
In Patrick’s defense, the Democratic Party seems full to the gills with “cafeteria Catholics,” like Patrick and John Kerry, who call themselves Catholics but cherry-pick those parts of the faith they will abide by.
Galt commented:
The Catholic Church will not make any meaningful moves to correct the Kennedys until it makes a meaningful effort to correct its own muddled thinking on “social justice.”
Even here we have people calling it charity when we spend other people’s money. The error is fundamental; the outcome is that everyone is made poorer. Always.
How? Think it through: we love to say to ourselves “this is a rich country, how can we NOT make more services free?” But we already make many services “free”; as a result this is technically NOT a wealthy country. With a $1.4t deficit this is sort of a bankrupt country. Because free means making someone else pay.
When the entitlements crisis hits, it’ll make the housing crisis look like a bad Bingo night. And when we are all poor, will we still require our government to “make someone else pay”? What then? Anyone here read history?
Andreas K. commented:
50 million already?
Wow, the US must have the highest birthrate in the world. Just a week ago it was still 46 million.
It’s also quite amusing to see a Kennedy talk about “social justice”. So, my dear Kennedys, when will you open your estates to the masses?
Left Coast Conservative commented:
The Church doesn’t have to publically excommunicate Kennedy. It is defacto. Fait accompli.
Kennedy can continue to give money to the Church and he can hang on to the Catholic title but that doesn’t mean he isn’t excommunicated. The Church doesn’t announce from the top of the steeple that they’ve excommunicated someone – the person’s actions announce it. Kind of like Judas.